Only if you are approved by the people's collective of social media, which is a process. Submit your application as soon as possible, and expect a two to three week wait before they will review your case to determine if you can move on to the next level of art bureaucracy.
That AI generated image at the end, is not going to look favorable, and it might disqualify you from the label, you might be able to present a case, to the court of twitter, but you will have to redeem yourself in the eyes of the panel of judges, no easy task.
I would suggest doing a 180, and seek forgiveness now, while waiting. Present a case, where you are a victim of the AI brotherhood, and were mislead. If you are performative enough, you might just get away with it. Mind you, this is a permanent blemish on your record, and your status as artist, if you actually get it, could easily be taken away.
Totally, but you shouldnt create art to impress people. Its for emotional expression. Now if people are impressed by the craft thats always a plus. But i dont make ai art to boast it to other people that i made it
definitely emotional expression, i agree! but is it your own expression, or are you getting a robot to express something for you? how is it any different that going to an art gallery and resonating with a piece that you feel relates to you?
using ai to create your art is taking away the thinking for you. learning to draw is supposed to be hard. it’s supposed to teach you patience, learn about yourself and your habits, and to improve. but this is pretty much my own bias.
then again, ai art can surely be its own category of art. but it cannot be compared to physical drawings that took time to make. for example, they shouldn’t be entered in art competitions with physical forms of media. it’s a different playing field entirely.
I mean for me personally i dont use ai to express my emotions. But that doesnt mean its doing the thinking for me, clearly i have an idea in my head that i want to see come to life. Maybe i dont use a physical skill to achieve that goal but i use a tool instead. Concept art for a game im making or making a nice wallpaper that i touch up in photoshop. Either way in some form my thoughts have been expressed as an image. Not perfectly but the same could be said about drawing, especially people who arent pros that dont have the skill to properly express what they were imagining
"any tool can be used to make art" brother you're inputting a prompt and getting an almost instantaneous result, you have no control over anything and you are not creating anything new or really anything at all.
"yall some guy taped a banana therefore i'm an artist too!1" i swear modern art is just a goldmine of conceptual artwork for these morons 😭
Like. dont get me wrong it's absolutely lazy and uncreative. But that's the point, right? It had a message to deliver, and I think it does that beautifully.
Also how the hell does it work when someone bought it? do they cut out that section of the wall? lol
I believe they receive a set of instructions on how to make the artwork when bought. Something like the banana has to be a specific height from the floor or something? Either way it’s hilarious
aha, but they’re not actually similar. with a pencil or a trombone, you can execute the exact thing you imagine, like the line you intend, the melody you intend, and so on. with an llm or a diffusion model, you can’t reliably predict the output before you run it. the model isn’t an instrument you control, it’s a thing you negotiate with
I view the role of the trombone, pencil, and Ai as a tool to facilitate the human expression. Each tool is used differently, as they are widely different tools after all, but the role is similar enough.
they’re not even remotely similar, if at all. a pencil or a trombone does exactly what you intend. an llm or diffusion model muddles the process, hallucinates on top of your input, and shits out something it made, not yours. it’s closer to using a random number generator than using an instrument. when you use a random number generator, do you think that you've thought of that number?
their role is not the same. One's role is to facilitate creation (pencil, trombone). The other's role is to DO the creation (AI, arguable a calculator). That's not necessarily a bad thing, but idk it seems a bit different. It is also semantics tho ig.
a pencil or a trombone does exactly what you intend.
You've obviously never seen a lot of people trying to draw or play trombone.
Snark aside, when I pick up a pencil, I don't have intent. I can't picture things in my head. I'm great at drawing what I can see, but that's not really "intent".
If you gave me a trombone or pencil, no I could not execute the exact thing I imagine. Sure, maybe after years of study and yardwork, I might be able to make a hyper-realistic drawing using colored pencils. But that's years of work to see the exact thing I imagine.
With ai, I can get pretty dang close. I can then further edit and change details until I get the vision to be extremely damn close to my vision.
I can't reliably predict what exact brush stroke a paint brush will make, that takes practice. Just like with practice, you can predict what an ai will output based on the given prompt.
Most of them are yes. The minawan are incredibly encouraging so I was lucky to have both a lot of inspiration and encouragement to keep going - hence why most are of Cerber & friends.
Yeah - just whatever art/memes I post here in aiwars particularly, I draw (or generic Photoshop, or photograph) partially because it's fun - but partially to convey a message. So..... I am glad when anyone is appreciative at all. :)
Yes! In fact, all the drawings you made are great. Art is a skill you get good if you practice, and no matter how it looks, I can say that you're an artist if you make the effort to draw to express yourself
I see genuine improvement here. Gotta ask, does it feel rewarding? Do you like it? I'm not an artist, but I used to play one of those stupid drawing games on my phone where you'd be matched with a stranger that had to guess your drawing. I slowly got better and better and was actually proud of the skill I was building. It was like a good ass dopamine hit every time I perfected a new technique or got to put one I had developed to use.
I feel like generative AI just loses most of that. It cheapens the experience. Kinda like the difference between sex and porn? Weird analogy, I know
Honestly yeah. Like its mostly about bringing ideas to bear right? the first few phases (sketchup and whatnot) kinda suck but once I get to coloring and rendering it's almost therapeutic
AI is different, but definitely not unrewarding. With drawing its an additive process, you dont really see how good or bad you've done something until you're already hours into it (typically around the shading phase where oddities can suddenly present themselves you didnt notice during sketchup/lineart). With AI its a subtractive process, you start with an image thats sorta close and sort of 'mold it' into what you're wanting. In both cases, I end up with something close to what I had in my head, and more practice with either will get me closer to them.
With AI you need to be able to spot the errors, which helps you gain an eye for errors in your own works. But it can be quite encouraging to see it be "so close" to what you're aiming for. It's rewarding in a different sense. You can focus more on what the image is, rather than how good it is (though you still gotta keep an eye out for AI oddities of course)
With digital you need to be able to actually coordinate your hand and hope to god you're physically capable of making what you imagine.
funny enough, I often spend 6-12 hours on both my tryhard hand-drawn stuff, and AI stuff - so it's not like its saving me time.
So comfyUI, while complicated, can be used to automate a lot. But is complicated as hell and I can do everything I've needed without it. Personally I use ForgeUI or SwarmUI (built upon Comfy). Swarm is faster with easier installation, but So much is done in the prompt area via commands, segmentation works on a 'all at once' basis so you lose resolution, and the inpainting colors rarely match. Upscaling is faster and smoother though and presets are amazing.
Forge, on the other hand, has sharper details, inpainting is more intuitive, but it unloads the model every generation so when you're 'base hunting' its way slower. Basically what I do is I prompt what I think I want for the image, and see what it brings back. Adjust the prompt and do that a few times until I either get something close to what I'm looking for, or if after about 8-20 attempts (depending on if it got close or if its way off) its still not getting it I'll bring in the controlnets to manually pose or reference. AI is pretty good at grabbing poses and depth from photos so you can totally snap a picture of the pose you want and use that as an openpose or depth reference (DepthAnything_V2 is the best and fastest IMO). Then once you've got your prompt adjusted and controlnets in place, you keep going. The characters can be 'close enough', like if you wanted blonde hair and you got white, this is simple enough to change, but if it gave you black hair, you'll need to work at it more (you can use inpaint sketch to manually do it too).
But once you get an image close enough you feel like you can work with it, I upscale it (typically to 1440p or 4k), and then drop it into inpaint where I'll work at it further. I'll erase any extra limbs and draw in any pose changes or major changes via inpaint sketch. I only focus on what matters, the background is typically unimportant so I let the AI do whatever it wants with that. With inpaint sketch, you want the denoising set low-ish. I find 0.4 keeps the general shape of what I doodled in, while stylizing it to match the rest of the image. It doesnt matter if its perfect, so long as its close enough.
finally once that's done, I'll move over to standard inpaint and start selecting regions to change or correct - messed up hands, or a wrong expression, or maybe a weird background thing. I'll leave 'mask shrink grow' (swarm) off or 'inpaint whole image' (Forge) so it all gets matched up nicely - it'll follow lighting patterns and such. Doing this allows it to see the whole image so it knows whats going on, but you lose quality. But thats okay, because the final step is to turn 'mask shrink grow' on (or inpaint only masked) and go over the image section by section using the original prompt to detail it. Turning on the mask option means it's only allowed to focus on the masked section -- it has no clue whats going on elsewhere, thats why we didnt use it at first, or you'd get weird lighting effects. 0.6 gets you a lot, 0.3 is basically just sharpening. I like to use 0.4-0.5 for most things. I'll typically go Upper body > Lower body > hands/feet > head > hair (if long) > face > eyes. Set it too high (0.75 or more) and you'll start to get tiny people as it tries to shove your whole image prompt into that tiny section. I'll often bounce between inpaint and inpaint sketch to get it as close as I possibly can. If I need to mirror it for some reason (say, a water reflection), I'll throw it into Krita, flip it, then bring it back into the AI.
this is where a lot of the time will be eaten up. You think "its so close, surely just a couple more attempts" and then suddenly you're 5+ hours in lol. Like this below is something I had to swap between Krita and AI several times because of that stupid reflection lol
I'm looking at this image, then at the pics at the top, and then back at this and I can't help but feel like the artstyle on this one is just so fucking painfully generic (as in so many people are using it, and quite a lot doing so poorly, and before anyone asks, I feel the same way towards some of the human artists originating the most popular AI styles). There's nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't surprise me in any way, maybe that's the problem, AI art is just too perfect when it comes to shading.
This shit is actually driving me up the walls now, how the FUCK do I replicate the whimsy in the top pics within AI?
Also since I'm already here might as well talk about one of your comments closer to the top, where you referred to AI being a subtractive process. For me it's often that I gen a ton of pics until I get the central piece of the work right, sometime a pose, other times a facial expression, or even just an angle, then I inpaint the entire rest of the image, building just on that central piece, putting in the details one by one with inpaint/photoshop until it's finished.
I’d recommend giving KritaAI a try. It supports most of the popular models (SDXL, Flux, Illustrious, ...), and you can run it locally or even online with a subscription if that’s easier for you. It’s basically a plugin for Krita that uses ComfyUI as the backend, and is open-source on GitHub. You can edit images directly inside Krita, do inpainting, use ControlNets, and work with layers pretty smoothly
I just dont understand why it all has to be anime. what is going on in the western mind that makes all these artists want to imitate instead of originate
🤷♂️ thats art my dude. Seriously. Look around. So much is imitating others. It's incredibly rare that someone comes up with something truly 100% original.
I would make the same complaint if the music world was mostly anime trance too. The issue isn't isn't just a lack of originality, it's more like a widespread fervent adherence to one particular style.
As an Artist I dont want to be put in a box, I dont want to limit my creativity
I'm not here to be ground breaking. I'm not here to stand out amongst the crowd. I'm not even looking to be an artist. I just want to draw cute things and things I like. Personally, I find the disdain towards anime much more intriguing.
The thing is, you were an artist before AI and you were an artist after. I hate the notion that “AI makes it so everyone can be an artist” because no, AI did nothing. You already were an artist before AI.
But here’s the thing, your drawing is great. The AI might be objectively “better” but there’s really nothing in it that stands out. I’ve seen millions of AI images that look similar to yours, if you showed me yours next to other AI images I would not know who made what. It’s not dependent on the person, it’s dependent on the model.
I think it’s something like handwriting vs a computer font. Your art is your handwriting, it might be messy, it might be bad, but it is uniquely yours. And if you practice hard and can make beautiful calligraphy, there will be a lot of people that will go wow that’s amazing.
AI is a computer font, it might be cleaner, there are tons of fonts you could pick including probably a calligraphy font… but I’m not going to have the same reaction. You know what I mean?
I can kinda get behind that. I tried to make concepts that stood out from the standard gooner stuff but the general art style is generic (because I refused to use any artist tags)
Also this is just a little nitpick I have with the AI art, but is the choker intentional?
When I look at your other art, your character is very consistent in that they are always wearing a collar, and usually with a tag(? Idk what it’s called) with a heart shape in it. But in the AI art, it’s just a spiked choker instead of a collar. I think the collar is cuter personally.
She also always seems to be wearing black ribbons in her hair in your drawings, but in the AI one its purple ribbons. There’s also the matter of the outfit which is completely different. The matter of having stars appear on the hair instead of behind as well…
I just can’t tell if these are your decisions or if it’s what the AI outputted and you just went along with it.
yep. it was a whole new outfit for Cerbathon 2. At one point I did go all-out to match it nearly 1:1, but took like 3 hours to do. So the rest I just stuck with the spiked collar, overall skirt and striped shirt
I'm not going to say you shouldn't use AI to express yourself, spend your time how you want, but you're showing a lot of improvement. I'd keep going if I were you.
gonna be honest, I'd do it more, I do quite like the process, especially once it comes to color and render, but my little Kamvas 12 is a literal pain - being hunched over it for 6-10 hours suuuuuuuucks.
Hoping now that I'm working again I'd like to get a 144hz 27" Kamvas Pro.
Most of the progress was just getting used to the pen display - I had never used one before, had always been pencil & paper.
I cant draw for shit on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S because the screen is so smooth 😅😅
EDIT: I accidentally said 2003 instead of 2023... 😅
The Huion Kamvas 12 was only.... I think it was $170 right around this time of year in 2023. It's awesome but its just small, theres no stand (have to buy separately) and the cables kinda clunky (there is a type C plug you can use if your laptop has display-out on a type C plug. some DPMode or something, or thunderbolt 3+ also works)
XP Pen is pretty similar as well, but the screen type is different and the ports arent recessed so you dont need to find a plug that actually fits. I dont recall if Huion has better colors, or better contrast, but it was a trade-off between them (otherwise both were 1080p60, HDMI, same buttons, etc.)
I went with a pen display so I could jump right in with as little resistance as possible. Hand in one place while looking at another bugs me when it comes to drawing - since I'm used to pen/pencil. I also got the slimmer stylus, rather than the fat one that comes with it. Basically I wanted pen/paper > digital as seamless as I could get it. I find the felt nibs feel the most like pencil/paper. plastic is too 'slippery' and rubber too 'gritty'.
A pro ai one called me a “pro” despite me being against ai usage in professional art and saying literally I “wouldn’t call me a pro” just because I said i don’t want to skin alive people who use ai
Yes, but that last image isn't art and lacks any of the soul of your other works. I wish you would just keep honing your craf, instead of falling for the genAI trap.
My favorites of these are 7, 11, and 12. Nice shading upgrade from 5 to 7!
The AI one is beautiful, but has some lighting issues - Her face should be bright like the chest area. The black hole feels in the background, which probably caused the AI to light the hair farther away rather than the face.
With the quick progress you made in drawing, in a few years you would be able to draw something like the AI image (with a lot of work). More interestingly, you would be good enough to edit it to fix issues the AI missed.
Yeah, the AI one is an older one (I see errors in it now I missed when I made it) but still one of my favorites.
The shading I think is mostly from the better palette selection. Also the subtle blushing (like 5% opacity) adds so much life and depth, the actual technique hasnt changed much from number 6.
I would like a larger pen display. 12 inches means I need to zoom in pretty close to be able to see, so I lose sight of the overall image. I feel like I could do significantly better with a 24 or 27 and 4k (the krita UI eats up SO MUCH screenspace its frustrating)
I mean you have been improving, and as with anything if you want to get good at something it requires dedicated practice and study. Alongside research on how you can continue to improve. Why go down the route of using AI when you can continue to improve this skill of yours, you have the capacity to draw and get better. I am seeing it in your progress. The fact is, by using AI it's just going to get lost in the ocean of AI generated images that exist online already, but actually drawing it and establishing your own artstyle? That stands out, your own unique art style with artwork that you draw is something immediately more iconic than what AI pumps out.
I would say you should continue drawing, you were going somewhere good, it looked like you were making good progress, why stop now? Just because it got hard?
You know a great way to improve your art is to LEARN from ai. What does it do? It copies, traces, builds off of what other artists have already done. Maybe take that to heart and start breaking the boundaries of your own art style. Branch out and maybe you’ll see some genuine improvement, and you won’t have to justify using ai in some pitiful bid with the art community to accept you. Just be.
Only if you are approved by the people's collective of social media, which is a process. Submit your application as soon as possible, and expect a two to three week wait before they will review your case to determine if you can move on to the next level of art bureaucracy.
That AI generated image at the end, is not going to look favorable, and it might disqualify you from the label, you might be able to present a case, to the court of twitter, but you will have to redeem yourself in the eyes of the panel of judges, no easy task.
I would suggest doing a 180, and seek forgiveness now, while waiting. Present a case, where you are a victim of the AI brotherhood, and were mislead. If you are performative enough, you might just get away with it. Mind you, this is a permanent blemish on your record, and your status as artist, if you actually get it, could easily be taken away.
So don't delay, act now, supplies are running out, allow if you're still alive, six to eight years to arrive.
.... miiiight as well be walkin on the sun
God dammit I just woke up and have to listen to it now lol
ai can be used for art, but it should not be compared to pencil drawings or digital art done by real people.
if you say “i made this with ai,” i will be a lot less impressed than if you say “i made this by drawing it for three hours”
Totally, but you shouldnt create art to impress people. Its for emotional expression. Now if people are impressed by the craft thats always a plus. But i dont make ai art to boast it to other people that i made it
definitely emotional expression, i agree! but is it your own expression, or are you getting a robot to express something for you? how is it any different that going to an art gallery and resonating with a piece that you feel relates to you?
using ai to create your art is taking away the thinking for you. learning to draw is supposed to be hard. it’s supposed to teach you patience, learn about yourself and your habits, and to improve. but this is pretty much my own bias.
then again, ai art can surely be its own category of art. but it cannot be compared to physical drawings that took time to make. for example, they shouldn’t be entered in art competitions with physical forms of media. it’s a different playing field entirely.
I mean for me personally i dont use ai to express my emotions. But that doesnt mean its doing the thinking for me, clearly i have an idea in my head that i want to see come to life. Maybe i dont use a physical skill to achieve that goal but i use a tool instead. Concept art for a game im making or making a nice wallpaper that i touch up in photoshop. Either way in some form my thoughts have been expressed as an image. Not perfectly but the same could be said about drawing, especially people who arent pros that dont have the skill to properly express what they were imagining
i think that if i saw ai in a game, i would immediately close it. same can be said for a lot of people i’ve talked to. good luck.
I think using ai to express yourself is enough to qualify as an artist.
^ This right here.
Art is expression.
Any tool can be used to make art.
If a banana taped to a wall is expression, so is your use of AI to express yourself.
That's what the antis don't get. Their banana is expression? So is Nano Banana.
https://preview.redd.it/ioxcnr1ua96g1.png?width=1692&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d744182b53622f5490225b3f6d752aca6a60b00
"any tool can be used to make art" brother you're inputting a prompt and getting an almost instantaneous result, you have no control over anything and you are not creating anything new or really anything at all.
"yall some guy taped a banana therefore i'm an artist too!1" i swear modern art is just a goldmine of conceptual artwork for these morons 😭
I agree but the banana was made to mock modern art, not to be used as an example of legit modern art
hilariously, that makes it art.
Eh fair enough
Like. dont get me wrong it's absolutely lazy and uncreative. But that's the point, right? It had a message to deliver, and I think it does that beautifully.
Also how the hell does it work when someone bought it? do they cut out that section of the wall? lol
I believe they receive a set of instructions on how to make the artwork when bought. Something like the banana has to be a specific height from the floor or something? Either way it’s hilarious
so wait you're telling me they're paying for a fucking INSTRUCTION MANUAL??? that has to be money laundering
https://i.redd.it/sgxn6u78t96g1.gif
Not disagreeing with you:
It serves as a certificate of authenticity to say you own the right to display the art.
Money laundering is a very real possibility.
No cause you're not even doing any art lmao
did you ask an llm to write this sentence too?
Nope!
so you do see a difference between human expression and model output
Yes.
I view it similarly to human expression and pencil output
Or human expression and trombone output
aha, but they’re not actually similar. with a pencil or a trombone, you can execute the exact thing you imagine, like the line you intend, the melody you intend, and so on. with an llm or a diffusion model, you can’t reliably predict the output before you run it. the model isn’t an instrument you control, it’s a thing you negotiate with
I don't view it that way.
I view the role of the trombone, pencil, and Ai as a tool to facilitate the human expression. Each tool is used differently, as they are widely different tools after all, but the role is similar enough.
they’re not even remotely similar, if at all. a pencil or a trombone does exactly what you intend. an llm or diffusion model muddles the process, hallucinates on top of your input, and shits out something it made, not yours. it’s closer to using a random number generator than using an instrument. when you use a random number generator, do you think that you've thought of that number?
Right, they're different tools for entirely methods of art. Of course the mechanics of the tools would be wildly different, that is to be expected.
I see their role as the same.
I view them as tools that humans can use to express themselves.
their role is not the same. One's role is to facilitate creation (pencil, trombone). The other's role is to DO the creation (AI, arguable a calculator). That's not necessarily a bad thing, but idk it seems a bit different. It is also semantics tho ig.
right, that’s what you think. run with it if you want, but that doesn’t make it true
You've obviously never seen a lot of people trying to draw or play trombone.
Snark aside, when I pick up a pencil, I don't have intent. I can't picture things in my head. I'm great at drawing what I can see, but that's not really "intent".
If you gave me a trombone or pencil, no I could not execute the exact thing I imagine. Sure, maybe after years of study and yardwork, I might be able to make a hyper-realistic drawing using colored pencils. But that's years of work to see the exact thing I imagine.
With ai, I can get pretty dang close. I can then further edit and change details until I get the vision to be extremely damn close to my vision.
I can't reliably predict what exact brush stroke a paint brush will make, that takes practice. Just like with practice, you can predict what an ai will output based on the given prompt.
right, and if i open enough cs2 cases i can ‘predict’ when i’ll pull a $2,000 knife. sure man, absolutely, pure skill 😂😂😂
Tried to have a debate in good faith with you man. But I won't try if you'd rather choose to stay uninformed to how AI actually works
you, with the gall to say you can predict the output of a stochastic engine, have no right to shun me
Is this CerberVT?
Most of them are yes. The minawan are incredibly encouraging so I was lucky to have both a lot of inspiration and encouragement to keep going - hence why most are of Cerber & friends.
There's lots I didnt post, like this from the December 9 collab
EDIT: holy shit that was a year ago exactly
https://preview.redd.it/dy56ios0896g1.png?width=2880&format=png&auto=webp&s=786e9d28456b15619a0a5362c840663bac2a3ce5
The style is really cute! Doggy style!!!!
fun fact, the niche baby was based on a real drawing/edit that was posted on twitter last year!
https://preview.redd.it/buvpi1b1996g1.png?width=694&format=png&auto=webp&s=6493e88ccb5d570f44deba2c925b355e61396eb0
Ohh nice
No thoughts only googoogaga
just like me fr /s
Oh my God, that's the original? I thought it was straight up just a random baby photo lol
HANK NOOO HANK!
https://preview.redd.it/8pdt9tqh896g1.png?width=705&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ef7fbaa1d43f36905c2e4b91531b4ebbd659686
Noooo
Freudian slip; this explains all the hornyposting.
pretty solid dude i fw them!
i really like the one first one
These are ALL absolutely amazing.
I make silly memes, and they're slop whether I make them with AI or not.
But this is all art.
Oh I love me some silly memes
https://preview.redd.it/gpojzbscc96g1.png?width=505&format=png&auto=webp&s=a22221f60d9de963ac4eee4e6b39ecf9f3b19738
Me too! Some of mine have done really well (in terms of engagement).... And some have just slightly tanked. 😩😅
Draw it for you. Because it's fun. Not because someone else might like it -- never pander. Pandering is how you grow to hate it.
Yeah - just whatever art/memes I post here in aiwars particularly, I draw (or generic Photoshop, or photograph) partially because it's fun - but partially to convey a message. So..... I am glad when anyone is appreciative at all. :)
This seems to be the most "appreciated" - for whatever that's worth -
https://preview.redd.it/l7wxrc41i96g1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b96995c6d862c3cdf8377f117641aed944e94578
we were pitching some memes yesterday/earlier today and they're just so good.
I wanted to keep them neutral because I still get a kick out of them when antis use them too lol
https://preview.redd.it/2rxb2ohik96g1.png?width=1407&format=png&auto=webp&s=098c48a17d1d6b778be535896f819e1cedff3ade
Yes! In fact, all the drawings you made are great. Art is a skill you get good if you practice, and no matter how it looks, I can say that you're an artist if you make the effort to draw to express yourself
Very lovely... Also, Miniko?
Yup. Mini was the first work I was actually proud of. I've been thinking of redoing it but just havent had the energy.
https://preview.redd.it/hza3dlpbm96g1.png?width=743&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe188eaff73cef2927e1c1c4c7e7e5e89676036c
though seeing the lineart makes me think "I could totally do that"
I'd wanna fix the eyes/lashes before I gave it a v3
It's really cute. I love it <3
I'm gonna keep an eye out for Miniko V3.
I see genuine improvement here. Gotta ask, does it feel rewarding? Do you like it? I'm not an artist, but I used to play one of those stupid drawing games on my phone where you'd be matched with a stranger that had to guess your drawing. I slowly got better and better and was actually proud of the skill I was building. It was like a good ass dopamine hit every time I perfected a new technique or got to put one I had developed to use.
I feel like generative AI just loses most of that. It cheapens the experience. Kinda like the difference between sex and porn? Weird analogy, I know
Honestly yeah. Like its mostly about bringing ideas to bear right? the first few phases (sketchup and whatnot) kinda suck but once I get to coloring and rendering it's almost therapeutic
AI is different, but definitely not unrewarding. With drawing its an additive process, you dont really see how good or bad you've done something until you're already hours into it (typically around the shading phase where oddities can suddenly present themselves you didnt notice during sketchup/lineart). With AI its a subtractive process, you start with an image thats sorta close and sort of 'mold it' into what you're wanting. In both cases, I end up with something close to what I had in my head, and more practice with either will get me closer to them.
With AI you need to be able to spot the errors, which helps you gain an eye for errors in your own works. But it can be quite encouraging to see it be "so close" to what you're aiming for. It's rewarding in a different sense. You can focus more on what the image is, rather than how good it is (though you still gotta keep an eye out for AI oddities of course)
With digital you need to be able to actually coordinate your hand and hope to god you're physically capable of making what you imagine.
funny enough, I often spend 6-12 hours on both my tryhard hand-drawn stuff, and AI stuff - so it's not like its saving me time.
fullfillment comes from struggle, like cooking food
you may get messy or burnt by oil, but the food at the end makes it worth it
art is just a harder form of cooking, atleast from my experience
I don't feel fulfillment from struggle. They are inimical.
I only draw little doodles because those are easy.
so hard work does not yield any satisfaction?
Maybe normal people are satisfied by a job well done. I wouldn't know what that feels like. I just feel angry.
So no, I don't get satisfaction from effort. They are antonyms.
Good stuff, it's cool seeing the timeline of your improvement.
For your AI art, what kind of work flow do you use? I've only dabbled with minimal success
So comfyUI, while complicated, can be used to automate a lot. But is complicated as hell and I can do everything I've needed without it. Personally I use ForgeUI or SwarmUI (built upon Comfy). Swarm is faster with easier installation, but So much is done in the prompt area via commands, segmentation works on a 'all at once' basis so you lose resolution, and the inpainting colors rarely match. Upscaling is faster and smoother though and presets are amazing.
Forge, on the other hand, has sharper details, inpainting is more intuitive, but it unloads the model every generation so when you're 'base hunting' its way slower. Basically what I do is I prompt what I think I want for the image, and see what it brings back. Adjust the prompt and do that a few times until I either get something close to what I'm looking for, or if after about 8-20 attempts (depending on if it got close or if its way off) its still not getting it I'll bring in the controlnets to manually pose or reference. AI is pretty good at grabbing poses and depth from photos so you can totally snap a picture of the pose you want and use that as an openpose or depth reference (DepthAnything_V2 is the best and fastest IMO). Then once you've got your prompt adjusted and controlnets in place, you keep going. The characters can be 'close enough', like if you wanted blonde hair and you got white, this is simple enough to change, but if it gave you black hair, you'll need to work at it more (you can use inpaint sketch to manually do it too).
But once you get an image close enough you feel like you can work with it, I upscale it (typically to 1440p or 4k), and then drop it into inpaint where I'll work at it further. I'll erase any extra limbs and draw in any pose changes or major changes via inpaint sketch. I only focus on what matters, the background is typically unimportant so I let the AI do whatever it wants with that. With inpaint sketch, you want the denoising set low-ish. I find 0.4 keeps the general shape of what I doodled in, while stylizing it to match the rest of the image. It doesnt matter if its perfect, so long as its close enough.
finally once that's done, I'll move over to standard inpaint and start selecting regions to change or correct - messed up hands, or a wrong expression, or maybe a weird background thing. I'll leave 'mask shrink grow' (swarm) off or 'inpaint whole image' (Forge) so it all gets matched up nicely - it'll follow lighting patterns and such. Doing this allows it to see the whole image so it knows whats going on, but you lose quality. But thats okay, because the final step is to turn 'mask shrink grow' on (or inpaint only masked) and go over the image section by section using the original prompt to detail it. Turning on the mask option means it's only allowed to focus on the masked section -- it has no clue whats going on elsewhere, thats why we didnt use it at first, or you'd get weird lighting effects. 0.6 gets you a lot, 0.3 is basically just sharpening. I like to use 0.4-0.5 for most things. I'll typically go Upper body > Lower body > hands/feet > head > hair (if long) > face > eyes. Set it too high (0.75 or more) and you'll start to get tiny people as it tries to shove your whole image prompt into that tiny section. I'll often bounce between inpaint and inpaint sketch to get it as close as I possibly can. If I need to mirror it for some reason (say, a water reflection), I'll throw it into Krita, flip it, then bring it back into the AI.
this is where a lot of the time will be eaten up. You think "its so close, surely just a couple more attempts" and then suddenly you're 5+ hours in lol. Like this below is something I had to swap between Krita and AI several times because of that stupid reflection lol
https://preview.redd.it/cekkdlud3a6g1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=8a85b6f3a5eb71f8f5a033b71e4b103c0e3cb6f4
I'm looking at this image, then at the pics at the top, and then back at this and I can't help but feel like the artstyle on this one is just so fucking painfully generic (as in so many people are using it, and quite a lot doing so poorly, and before anyone asks, I feel the same way towards some of the human artists originating the most popular AI styles). There's nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't surprise me in any way, maybe that's the problem, AI art is just too perfect when it comes to shading.
This shit is actually driving me up the walls now, how the FUCK do I replicate the whimsy in the top pics within AI?
Also since I'm already here might as well talk about one of your comments closer to the top, where you referred to AI being a subtractive process. For me it's often that I gen a ton of pics until I get the central piece of the work right, sometime a pose, other times a facial expression, or even just an angle, then I inpaint the entire rest of the image, building just on that central piece, putting in the details one by one with inpaint/photoshop until it's finished.
Thanks for such a thorough response! Saving this comment for when I do dive in.
I’d recommend giving KritaAI a try. It supports most of the popular models (SDXL, Flux, Illustrious, ...), and you can run it locally or even online with a subscription if that’s easier for you. It’s basically a plugin for Krita that uses ComfyUI as the backend, and is open-source on GitHub. You can edit images directly inside Krita, do inpainting, use ControlNets, and work with layers pretty smoothly
Both the drawn and AI pics look super cool! Cheers!
I actually wish i could draw that good! Nice job!
Love me some Cerber
I get it, anime is a cool style.
I just dont understand why it all has to be anime. what is going on in the western mind that makes all these artists want to imitate instead of originate
🤷♂️ thats art my dude. Seriously. Look around. So much is imitating others. It's incredibly rare that someone comes up with something truly 100% original.
You can especially see it in the music world
I would make the same complaint if the music world was mostly anime trance too. The issue isn't isn't just a lack of originality, it's more like a widespread fervent adherence to one particular style.
As an Artist I dont want to be put in a box, I dont want to limit my creativity
https://preview.redd.it/bbux8k2fl96g1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0d9fac5cfb7d95f7bee962092a96181fb8e879d
I'm not here to be ground breaking. I'm not here to stand out amongst the crowd. I'm not even looking to be an artist. I just want to draw cute things and things I like. Personally, I find the disdain towards anime much more intriguing.
Me - I just like vocaloids.... Which happen to be anime style 🤷
https://preview.redd.it/bzmvja3jy96g1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=2fbaeecbe3fc42c1b764a7d5f44de52ca8853029
(made with ChatGPT)
I mean, I think everyone is an artist so… yeah?
The thing is, you were an artist before AI and you were an artist after. I hate the notion that “AI makes it so everyone can be an artist” because no, AI did nothing. You already were an artist before AI.
But here’s the thing, your drawing is great. The AI might be objectively “better” but there’s really nothing in it that stands out. I’ve seen millions of AI images that look similar to yours, if you showed me yours next to other AI images I would not know who made what. It’s not dependent on the person, it’s dependent on the model.
I think it’s something like handwriting vs a computer font. Your art is your handwriting, it might be messy, it might be bad, but it is uniquely yours. And if you practice hard and can make beautiful calligraphy, there will be a lot of people that will go wow that’s amazing.
AI is a computer font, it might be cleaner, there are tons of fonts you could pick including probably a calligraphy font… but I’m not going to have the same reaction. You know what I mean?
I can kinda get behind that. I tried to make concepts that stood out from the standard gooner stuff but the general art style is generic (because I refused to use any artist tags)
Also this is just a little nitpick I have with the AI art, but is the choker intentional?
When I look at your other art, your character is very consistent in that they are always wearing a collar, and usually with a tag(? Idk what it’s called) with a heart shape in it. But in the AI art, it’s just a spiked choker instead of a collar. I think the collar is cuter personally.
She also always seems to be wearing black ribbons in her hair in your drawings, but in the AI one its purple ribbons. There’s also the matter of the outfit which is completely different. The matter of having stars appear on the hair instead of behind as well…
I just can’t tell if these are your decisions or if it’s what the AI outputted and you just went along with it.
Yes.
https://preview.redd.it/tb0pfhnica6g1.jpeg?width=276&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e0ebc5896f2fe958f4c946bd0672a0a11e1aa28
Ah it’s a character illustration then? She’s pretty cute.
yep. it was a whole new outfit for Cerbathon 2. At one point I did go all-out to match it nearly 1:1, but took like 3 hours to do. So the rest I just stuck with the spiked collar, overall skirt and striped shirt
https://preview.redd.it/thua6ijqoa6g1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=a075da50b198f37a5dfb323447af85111b41f804
nice art :D
Cerber is such a sweetie pie.
She absolutely is. She hooked me with her singing personally. Her renditions of A Million Dreams or Hallelujah are just... incredible.
CerberSoCute
I'm not going to say you shouldn't use AI to express yourself, spend your time how you want, but you're showing a lot of improvement. I'd keep going if I were you.
gonna be honest, I'd do it more, I do quite like the process, especially once it comes to color and render, but my little Kamvas 12 is a literal pain - being hunched over it for 6-10 hours suuuuuuuucks.
Hoping now that I'm working again I'd like to get a 144hz 27" Kamvas Pro.
Most of the progress was just getting used to the pen display - I had never used one before, had always been pencil & paper.
I cant draw for shit on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S because the screen is so smooth 😅😅
Genuinely, your art is really cute and I'd love to see you improve more. Also, Cerber!!!
Good luck dude. Always mean to learn how to draw, myself, but I never seem to have the time. It's inspiring to see people 'git gud' tho.
r/ characterarcs
Pen display? Man, I really want to get one of those... But it's hard to justify the investment to myself. And they are really expensive.
EDIT: I accidentally said 2003 instead of 2023... 😅
The Huion Kamvas 12 was only.... I think it was $170 right around this time of year in 2023. It's awesome but its just small, theres no stand (have to buy separately) and the cables kinda clunky (there is a type C plug you can use if your laptop has display-out on a type C plug. some DPMode or something, or thunderbolt 3+ also works)
XP Pen is pretty similar as well, but the screen type is different and the ports arent recessed so you dont need to find a plug that actually fits. I dont recall if Huion has better colors, or better contrast, but it was a trade-off between them (otherwise both were 1080p60, HDMI, same buttons, etc.)
I went with a pen display so I could jump right in with as little resistance as possible. Hand in one place while looking at another bugs me when it comes to drawing - since I'm used to pen/pencil. I also got the slimmer stylus, rather than the fat one that comes with it. Basically I wanted pen/paper > digital as seamless as I could get it. I find the felt nibs feel the most like pencil/paper. plastic is too 'slippery' and rubber too 'gritty'.
As an anti, yeah
See, you're not really an "anti" then, from the art perspective... But damn these terms are divisive.
A pro ai one called me a “pro” despite me being against ai usage in professional art and saying literally I “wouldn’t call me a pro” just because I said i don’t want to skin alive people who use ai
Some pro-ai people have repeatedly claimed that I'm anti, because I think some antis might have some valid points. 😩
It's exhausting.
https://preview.redd.it/swe3x4p4g96g1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5688048c97bbff7ae4c6a8f972bc4842face4e53
Color me blue though 😫
…what? They made art, like by the oldest definition. That makes one an artist, no?
I am not disagreeing with you at all, just bad at expressing my opinion/support 😅
Wow your really good.
Yes, yes you are
Your art is improving, keep it up, man!
AI is for something you can't just draw. Like remixing existing images with each other, outpainting photos and such.
https://preview.redd.it/1vuwnwsrlb6g1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fde99b64dc898ea0998dcb25f6cb3d51f0716ad9
Sovl vs judeo-capitalist slurry
Yes, but that last image isn't art and lacks any of the soul of your other works. I wish you would just keep honing your craf, instead of falling for the genAI trap.
My favorites of these are 7, 11, and 12. Nice shading upgrade from 5 to 7!
The AI one is beautiful, but has some lighting issues - Her face should be bright like the chest area. The black hole feels in the background, which probably caused the AI to light the hair farther away rather than the face.
With the quick progress you made in drawing, in a few years you would be able to draw something like the AI image (with a lot of work). More interestingly, you would be good enough to edit it to fix issues the AI missed.
Yeah, the AI one is an older one (I see errors in it now I missed when I made it) but still one of my favorites.
The shading I think is mostly from the better palette selection. Also the subtle blushing (like 5% opacity) adds so much life and depth, the actual technique hasnt changed much from number 6.
I would like a larger pen display. 12 inches means I need to zoom in pretty close to be able to see, so I lose sight of the overall image. I feel like I could do significantly better with a 24 or 27 and 4k (the krita UI eats up SO MUCH screenspace its frustrating)
Id say pretty nice for a beginner, good job!
Cool. Now stop using AI. Anything you make with AI is a lazy prompt made using unethical means.
AI is trained using stolen assets and wastes water.
No, wrong and no
Yes you are an artist, a talented and dedicated one at that.
But you are an artist because of the art work that you drew, not the one ai generated for you
Everything but the ai prompt makes u an artist
If you did actually draw that, congrats, it looks good.
I mean you have been improving, and as with anything if you want to get good at something it requires dedicated practice and study. Alongside research on how you can continue to improve. Why go down the route of using AI when you can continue to improve this skill of yours, you have the capacity to draw and get better. I am seeing it in your progress. The fact is, by using AI it's just going to get lost in the ocean of AI generated images that exist online already, but actually drawing it and establishing your own artstyle? That stands out, your own unique art style with artwork that you draw is something immediately more iconic than what AI pumps out.
I would say you should continue drawing, you were going somewhere good, it looked like you were making good progress, why stop now? Just because it got hard?
https://preview.redd.it/m88kx9lqb96g1.png?width=401&format=png&auto=webp&s=0137d59ba31f7b162eed8fb850d02a580a57b039
who said I stopped? This is a WIP I've had on the go for a while - Life's kinda been kicking me in the teeth lately
Lolz, the AI one have stars all over her hair 😆
I mean she's holding a black hole 🤔
I'm crying the human art was so cute
You know a great way to improve your art is to LEARN from ai. What does it do? It copies, traces, builds off of what other artists have already done. Maybe take that to heart and start breaking the boundaries of your own art style. Branch out and maybe you’ll see some genuine improvement, and you won’t have to justify using ai in some pitiful bid with the art community to accept you. Just be.
You were on track to painting that yourself, but you gave up.
What an L.
🤔
https://preview.redd.it/gmzll2kdv96g1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=81d50bfc7dd091c0817257c171878ef34d10945a
yes. gave up.