Hello! I watched Yellowjackets in the end of November and I miss those girls so I'll watch it again and was curious on what have you only noticed after the second (or third or fourth lmao) time you've seen the show?
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After watching season three teen Shauna lash out, threatening them with a gun to stop them from going home etc Going back and watching how the other girls interact with adult Shauna is strange. I wonder what happened between them leaving and the present day that makes them interact with Misty as the unhinged individual she is but meet Shauna with a more even tone.
Exactly this. There's a scene in season 3 where Misty enters Van and Tai's hotel room and Van reacts really terrified, brandishing a knife, which seems such an over reaction considering how much they always take the piss out of Misty - like at Nat's funeral.
The s3 teen timeline really makes the adult relationships make no sense.
I can’t help but notice that the girls don’t have –or at least mention– having any siblings 😭. It’s not a major issue, I just find it funny that Akilah is one of the only characters that I remember having a sister.
That I loathe most of them, especially Shauna, but I'm looking forward to the next season. Never liked a show where I disliked most of the characters so much.
how much i didn’t like natalie once she was in lottie’s cult! i felt like it was a complete 180 in her character, from being this kinda bad ass woman to almost a little brainwashed by lottie.
It made some sense imo though. When she was abducted, she was about to kill herself, so I imagine her psyche was already pretty broken - kinda perfect prey for a cult.
Not really, The main difference is that religions are established, mainstream faiths with broad societal acceptance, while cults are smaller, newer groups led by charismatic figures who exert excessive control, demand total devotion, and often isolate members from the outside world, using manipulative tactics. the key distinction lies in control, isolation, transparency, and longevity cults focus on controlling members' lives, discouraging critical thought, and exploiting them, whereas religions typically integrate into society and offer more freedom.
Hell the main reason Christianity is so popular is because of how little it truly asks and the freedom to still be yourself.
LDS is the official name of Mormons. The fundamentalist group(polygamy and such) is called FLDS. But i agree from an outsider perspective they're just another religion to me, I don't understand the obsession.
I noticed that it’s the only show I can think of where none of the characters are really “likeable” or redeemable for their actions but I still love the show. It’s unique as generally characters that start out unlikable grow on you as you start to understand their actions. Of the main female characters I think Natalie is the only one that still seems to have any humanity left in her while in the wilderness.
Van is insufferable. Holier than thou, gatekeeping (pun not intended), hypocrite. I didn't like how she held a grudge with Jackie, kept Tai's dangerous alternate personality a secret, bullied Misty, obeyed Lottie and Shauna's worst orders, kept her cancer a secret until she puked blood.
And how the fuck was she able to drag Tai and Shauna outside when she needed an oxygen tank to help her breathe?!
Walter needed Jeff's help to move Kevyn and he's definitely stronger than Van
Adrenaline is a hell of a thing. Also I don’t believe the cancer thing is that bad she told tai and wasn’t really close to the others. Lots of people keep that a secret from others all the time.
What if the crash survivors were exposed to environmental toxins and contaminated water in the Canadian wilderness?☢️☣️ It might be a cancer cluster. Or Van inhaled toxic smoke from the plane crash, and developed cancer from that decades later?
All she had to say was
"Maybe you should all get a physical," at the Truth Hut.
I'm just saying, Van kept her own secrets, but threw Shauna's car keys away in the dark when she wanted to know the truth about Adam Martin.
(P.S. Isn't it odd that only Shauna had a child post-rescue? Only she was fertile enough or motivated enough to have a kid?)
Tai had a kid? And Melissa? We don’t know if they adopted or did insemination. Van just stayed some or did random hookups. Lottie probably didn’t wanna pass on her schizo genes plus had her cult to run too and nat was just an alcoholic addict.. no need to bring a baby into that. Misty can barely get a date lol.
But yeah maybe she was exposed but I’m sure they all get checkups and stuff. Cancer is also just random.
I think the main problem with Van as a character is that they don't know what to do with her past season 1. She has an inconsistent personality with her often acting as she has some moral high ground while being a generally awful person. It's probably related to not having enough screen time and thus not being given the chance to develop. For season 3, most of her character progression happens off-screen and I only found out about it through an interview.
Lauren Ambrose is good. She’s always good though, and I also wondered why Van was the one saving the day in the current timeline when she could barely move. But Liv Hewson is absolutely unreal and some of the best work I’ve ever seen on television. Their monologue in season 2 where Van convinces Travis to eat Javi gives me goosebumps every time. “But I’m not ashamed, Travis. I’m glad I’m alive. And I don’t think anyone who is here should be ashamed of that.” It packs such a punch and it’s such a fucking threat. Van is threatening that if Travis tries to go back on any of this—if he does not eat his brother, they will eat him, too. I didn’t realize that until my most recent rewatch. It’s a direct threat.
Jackie suggested Shauna wear a red dress. Shauna gets annoyed and erupts at Jackie. Shauna ends up wearing a red dress. Is it the same red dress that Shauna was mad at Jackie for suggesting?
Besides the numerous continuity errors, there's not too much growth in the characters themselves. They never sought out help, just to keep their secrets and in doing so, they all ruined their lives in their own ways. It's sad that almost none of them will be able to let it go/grow out of their ways. (Either writers choice in hyping season 4 up, or just a dark reality.) just my overall opinion after watching it a few times haha
Although I’d like to see more character growth, this is the one show I’ll give them leniency because it makes sense the characters involved in the crash would be emotionally stunted (that being said, a little growth would be nice lmao)
Apparently the wilderness is supposed to be in Ontario but some people have looked at the various environments the characters are in and it looks more like the Canadian Rockies.
Shuana pregnancy and miscarriage recovery. The pregnancy is because of the weird time pacing of the episodes and not explaining how much time has passed. Like we know 2 months passed between the last episode of S1 and the first episode of S2 but after that eh? And Shuana recovered way too quickly for a woman that had a miscarriage, lost a lot of blood, was malnourished, and emotionally stressed out. You can argue the wilderness playing a role but that's never been confirmed.
Apparently people feel adult Misty and teen Misty have tone inconsistencies. Like adult Misty acts more chaotic and comedic than she was as a teenager.
How the rescue aftermath happened causing continuity tension
The trauma of the wilderness, and the characters being affected by it being inconsistent
Other Tai influence on Tai being reduced despite her still keeping in a secret and never getting help for it
Lottie institutionalization time period (both times)
Background Yellowjackets that appeared in S1 are completely gone by S3 with no explanation
Yellowjackets intentionally use unreliable memory, dissociation, and trauma distortion. And some of these “errors” may be a deliberate example of that. But when those ambiguities consistently benefit pacing or shock rather than character logic, they start to read as continuity problems rather than thematic choices. So yeah there's some issues
I just finished season 3 last night and immediately started it again and in noticing little things I missed before. Like I thought Shauna was just masturbating in her daughter’s room but didn’t notice she was looking at Kyle’s picture the whole time. Eww. I’m on ep 3 now so I’ll try to make a list lol. I only have 5 days left of my free trial thingy so gotta hurry
I noticed it and after awhile realized it's a case of arrested development. Shauna is an extremes kind of girl anyway and it probably reminds her of the taboo teen relationship with Jeff. Also, the last time she actually felt alive.
Makes sense. Still super weird. The men who this really happened too grew up so much differently and weren’t stuck developmentally but they were out there around 3 months not a year and a half so who knows what would have happened if they stayed longer.
It is weird but also a dramatized TV show vs real life are going to be different. The young men who were stranded in the Andes did suffer long term mental health issues from the crash and having to survive for those 3 months. I believe in the show they're out there for almost 2 years. I think Shauna's life stopped once the crash happened. Everything she wanted to for herself didn't happen and instead became "domesticated". So in a sense it's like she's living her teen life through her daughter.
That Shauna called it book club because Adam said “I think I like this book club” when they were quoting stuff in the hotel lol 😂 idk how I missed that the first time
I still don’t understand why they believed Lottie had “nothing” to do with Travis dying/it was an accident? I feel like everyone glanced over the fact that his bank account was emptied aaaaand that lottie’s crazy
Maybe I’m dumb, but I see no reason you would empty a bank account, especially if you want people to rule it a suicide
Yeah I also feel they forgot about Travis (expect for Nat) really quickly. The supposed truth about him dying makes sense but the bank account being empty is suspicious
Also who cares about his bank account? Misty says his paycheck shows he was barely making minimum wage. He was broke. Or did he still have money set aside from the crash settlement? Also, they make such a big deal out of Nat not being able to get into his account because she’s not family. Neither was Lottie. Unless… Travis and Lottie were married at one point?!? I read that as a theory in here years ago and thought it had its merits.
Tbh I never watch s3e10 I stopped at 9 it was too intense I didn’t want the ending to be disappointing, so I just began a rewatch instead lol and I’ll watch that episode this next go round. So watching the intro of s1e1 was still so so chilling and I realized I missed so many details I shoulda known who pit girl was regardless of not having seen that last episode.
On my first watch I didn't like a single character and very much disliked Misty. It was the first time I watched something and couldn't find any character that I liked. It was so bad that I almost didn't finish the show, but I stuck it out. I ended up liking it enough to watch a second time. During my second watch I realized that it was probably the point for the characters to be deeply flawed in their own ways. With that mindset, I was able to start liking (most of) the characters. I've watched it three times now and I'm thinking about starting another rewatch soon. At this point I would go to war for Nat and Van no questions asked lol
The way she’s watching the screen breaks my heart. Also I love Claire too so it extra hurts and reminds me of the way I cry during the series finale of six feet under too ugh she’s a great actress
I had the opposite reaction lol. My boyfriend and I watched the pilot together, and I forgot by my second or third watch how much I had missed about Jackie and Shauna because I had just assumed they were a couple. I completely forgot Jeff existed and was more interested in Lottie and Laura Lee and their spiritual stuff, what that meant, and my bf was like “yeah but do you think those two are ever gonna realize they like each other?” and I was like “who, the clearly already Gay Lesbian Captain Rainbow America couple?” I somehow had convinced myself it was canon by the first few episodes, and I had also forgot we don’t really find out about Tai and Van until a few episodes in.
it always felt like Van and Tai had always been a couple and so has Shauna and Jackie. It’s a soccer team for Christ sake. As a bisexual, I can attest, women’s soccer teams are queer breeding grounds
Not about the show, itself, but I learned after some research that the antler queen was intentionally in all the posters, and that all the cast had to wear contacts to have their eyes the exact color as the antler queen to keep her identity a secret
Teen Misty gets clocked in every season 😂 Ben, Shauna & Nat. How many times are they gonna hit that poor girl? Is it a metaphor that she’s their punching bag? Because that’s just gratuitous.
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After watching season three teen Shauna lash out, threatening them with a gun to stop them from going home etc Going back and watching how the other girls interact with adult Shauna is strange. I wonder what happened between them leaving and the present day that makes them interact with Misty as the unhinged individual she is but meet Shauna with a more even tone.
Exactly this. There's a scene in season 3 where Misty enters Van and Tai's hotel room and Van reacts really terrified, brandishing a knife, which seems such an over reaction considering how much they always take the piss out of Misty - like at Nat's funeral. The s3 teen timeline really makes the adult relationships make no sense.
Do you think they all found out about her destroying the transponder?
No, I think Nat kept that secret which is why Misty was so loyal to Nat
Wait when did Nat find out?
Somewhere near the end of season 3, can't remember which episode
End of the last episode
I can’t help but notice that the girls don’t have –or at least mention– having any siblings 😭. It’s not a major issue, I just find it funny that Akilah is one of the only characters that I remember having a sister.
I noticed they switched her whole character from season 1 it’s a different person lol
That I loathe most of them, especially Shauna, but I'm looking forward to the next season. Never liked a show where I disliked most of the characters so much.
You'll probably love the sopranos (if you haven't watched it yet)
...Maybe I should give it a go some time. My husband would probs love it.
It's considered one of the greatest TV dramas of all time. So he might
how much i didn’t like natalie once she was in lottie’s cult! i felt like it was a complete 180 in her character, from being this kinda bad ass woman to almost a little brainwashed by lottie.
It made some sense imo though. When she was abducted, she was about to kill herself, so I imagine her psyche was already pretty broken - kinda perfect prey for a cult.
(not so) Fun fact: Juliette Lewis was in a Scientology run drug rehab program during the 90s
Also fun fact Sophie Thatcher used to be a Mormon but left the church
Damn so Mormon and Scientology?? Poor woman. She looks like she’s had a hard life 😭
That being said Mormonism itself I feel like is a religion, however certain groups like the LDS I believe are total cults
One could argue all religions are a type of cult lol
Not really, The main difference is that religions are established, mainstream faiths with broad societal acceptance, while cults are smaller, newer groups led by charismatic figures who exert excessive control, demand total devotion, and often isolate members from the outside world, using manipulative tactics. the key distinction lies in control, isolation, transparency, and longevity cults focus on controlling members' lives, discouraging critical thought, and exploiting them, whereas religions typically integrate into society and offer more freedom.
Hell the main reason Christianity is so popular is because of how little it truly asks and the freedom to still be yourself.
Incorrect… they’re several cults that were large
And? That means it's right to refer to all religions as cults. And when I mean large I'm talking about millions to billions large
Just because it's socially acceptable, doesn't mean it's not a cult.
I literally just explained the difference between a cult and a religion. I hope you're not one of those people who call religion a cult to be edgy
LDS is the official name of Mormons. The fundamentalist group(polygamy and such) is called FLDS. But i agree from an outsider perspective they're just another religion to me, I don't understand the obsession.
Happy cake day!
I noticed that it’s the only show I can think of where none of the characters are really “likeable” or redeemable for their actions but I still love the show. It’s unique as generally characters that start out unlikable grow on you as you start to understand their actions. Of the main female characters I think Natalie is the only one that still seems to have any humanity left in her while in the wilderness.
It's like the sopranos, you don't have to like them but perhaps you can find some sort of relatability to give them a bit of empathy.
Love them all more, what’s weird to me is that they kinda have friends in midlife
Also where did Shauna keep getting notebooks?? I don’t think the cabin had any. Nor would she pack 7 journals for a weekend trip lol
Could be taking them from other girls who don’t want theirs/people who died in the plane crash
Van is insufferable. Holier than thou, gatekeeping (pun not intended), hypocrite. I didn't like how she held a grudge with Jackie, kept Tai's dangerous alternate personality a secret, bullied Misty, obeyed Lottie and Shauna's worst orders, kept her cancer a secret until she puked blood. And how the fuck was she able to drag Tai and Shauna outside when she needed an oxygen tank to help her breathe?! Walter needed Jeff's help to move Kevyn and he's definitely stronger than Van
Adrenaline is a hell of a thing. Also I don’t believe the cancer thing is that bad she told tai and wasn’t really close to the others. Lots of people keep that a secret from others all the time.
What if the crash survivors were exposed to environmental toxins and contaminated water in the Canadian wilderness?☢️☣️ It might be a cancer cluster. Or Van inhaled toxic smoke from the plane crash, and developed cancer from that decades later?
All she had to say was
"Maybe you should all get a physical," at the Truth Hut.
I'm just saying, Van kept her own secrets, but threw Shauna's car keys away in the dark when she wanted to know the truth about Adam Martin.
(P.S. Isn't it odd that only Shauna had a child post-rescue? Only she was fertile enough or motivated enough to have a kid?)
Tai had a kid? And Melissa? We don’t know if they adopted or did insemination. Van just stayed some or did random hookups. Lottie probably didn’t wanna pass on her schizo genes plus had her cult to run too and nat was just an alcoholic addict.. no need to bring a baby into that. Misty can barely get a date lol.
But yeah maybe she was exposed but I’m sure they all get checkups and stuff. Cancer is also just random.
I think the main problem with Van as a character is that they don't know what to do with her past season 1. She has an inconsistent personality with her often acting as she has some moral high ground while being a generally awful person. It's probably related to not having enough screen time and thus not being given the chance to develop. For season 3, most of her character progression happens off-screen and I only found out about it through an interview.
Could you link the interview?
I have literally not once heard this take.
Lauren Ambrose is good. She’s always good though, and I also wondered why Van was the one saving the day in the current timeline when she could barely move. But Liv Hewson is absolutely unreal and some of the best work I’ve ever seen on television. Their monologue in season 2 where Van convinces Travis to eat Javi gives me goosebumps every time. “But I’m not ashamed, Travis. I’m glad I’m alive. And I don’t think anyone who is here should be ashamed of that.” It packs such a punch and it’s such a fucking threat. Van is threatening that if Travis tries to go back on any of this—if he does not eat his brother, they will eat him, too. I didn’t realize that until my most recent rewatch. It’s a direct threat.
Jackie suggested Shauna wear a red dress. Shauna gets annoyed and erupts at Jackie. Shauna ends up wearing a red dress. Is it the same red dress that Shauna was mad at Jackie for suggesting?
I think it is the same red dress...Shauna wore a denim jacket over it.
No it’s like a shirt and a shirt thing I think
Absofuckinglutely it was. Shauna was gonna wear that dress the whole time.
Besides the numerous continuity errors, there's not too much growth in the characters themselves. They never sought out help, just to keep their secrets and in doing so, they all ruined their lives in their own ways. It's sad that almost none of them will be able to let it go/grow out of their ways. (Either writers choice in hyping season 4 up, or just a dark reality.) just my overall opinion after watching it a few times haha
Although I’d like to see more character growth, this is the one show I’ll give them leniency because it makes sense the characters involved in the crash would be emotionally stunted (that being said, a little growth would be nice lmao)
Which continuity errors have you seen , if you can remember off the top of your head lol
I can think of a couple:
Apparently the wilderness is supposed to be in Ontario but some people have looked at the various environments the characters are in and it looks more like the Canadian Rockies.
Shuana pregnancy and miscarriage recovery. The pregnancy is because of the weird time pacing of the episodes and not explaining how much time has passed. Like we know 2 months passed between the last episode of S1 and the first episode of S2 but after that eh? And Shuana recovered way too quickly for a woman that had a miscarriage, lost a lot of blood, was malnourished, and emotionally stressed out. You can argue the wilderness playing a role but that's never been confirmed.
Apparently people feel adult Misty and teen Misty have tone inconsistencies. Like adult Misty acts more chaotic and comedic than she was as a teenager.
How the rescue aftermath happened causing continuity tension
The trauma of the wilderness, and the characters being affected by it being inconsistent
Other Tai influence on Tai being reduced despite her still keeping in a secret and never getting help for it
Lottie institutionalization time period (both times)
Background Yellowjackets that appeared in S1 are completely gone by S3 with no explanation
Yellowjackets intentionally use unreliable memory, dissociation, and trauma distortion. And some of these “errors” may be a deliberate example of that. But when those ambiguities consistently benefit pacing or shock rather than character logic, they start to read as continuity problems rather than thematic choices. So yeah there's some issues
I just finished season 3 last night and immediately started it again and in noticing little things I missed before. Like I thought Shauna was just masturbating in her daughter’s room but didn’t notice she was looking at Kyle’s picture the whole time. Eww. I’m on ep 3 now so I’ll try to make a list lol. I only have 5 days left of my free trial thingy so gotta hurry
I noticed it and after awhile realized it's a case of arrested development. Shauna is an extremes kind of girl anyway and it probably reminds her of the taboo teen relationship with Jeff. Also, the last time she actually felt alive.
Makes sense. Still super weird. The men who this really happened too grew up so much differently and weren’t stuck developmentally but they were out there around 3 months not a year and a half so who knows what would have happened if they stayed longer.
It is weird but also a dramatized TV show vs real life are going to be different. The young men who were stranded in the Andes did suffer long term mental health issues from the crash and having to survive for those 3 months. I believe in the show they're out there for almost 2 years. I think Shauna's life stopped once the crash happened. Everything she wanted to for herself didn't happen and instead became "domesticated". So in a sense it's like she's living her teen life through her daughter.
Exactlyyyy! I noticed that too!
That Shauna called it book club because Adam said “I think I like this book club” when they were quoting stuff in the hotel lol 😂 idk how I missed that the first time
I still don’t understand why they believed Lottie had “nothing” to do with Travis dying/it was an accident? I feel like everyone glanced over the fact that his bank account was emptied aaaaand that lottie’s crazy
Maybe I’m dumb, but I see no reason you would empty a bank account, especially if you want people to rule it a suicide
Yeah I also feel they forgot about Travis (expect for Nat) really quickly. The supposed truth about him dying makes sense but the bank account being empty is suspicious
Also who cares about his bank account? Misty says his paycheck shows he was barely making minimum wage. He was broke. Or did he still have money set aside from the crash settlement? Also, they make such a big deal out of Nat not being able to get into his account because she’s not family. Neither was Lottie. Unless… Travis and Lottie were married at one point?!? I read that as a theory in here years ago and thought it had its merits.
Tbh I never watch s3e10 I stopped at 9 it was too intense I didn’t want the ending to be disappointing, so I just began a rewatch instead lol and I’ll watch that episode this next go round. So watching the intro of s1e1 was still so so chilling and I realized I missed so many details I shoulda known who pit girl was regardless of not having seen that last episode.
2020s groomed eyebrows.
Callie was such a victim of this one
On my first watch I didn't like a single character and very much disliked Misty. It was the first time I watched something and couldn't find any character that I liked. It was so bad that I almost didn't finish the show, but I stuck it out. I ended up liking it enough to watch a second time. During my second watch I realized that it was probably the point for the characters to be deeply flawed in their own ways. With that mindset, I was able to start liking (most of) the characters. I've watched it three times now and I'm thinking about starting another rewatch soon. At this point I would go to war for Nat and Van no questions asked lol
I’m a nat and van Stan too! I hate that they don’t make it 😭
I honestly sob when I watch Van's airplane death scene :(
The way she’s watching the screen breaks my heart. Also I love Claire too so it extra hurts and reminds me of the way I cry during the series finale of six feet under too ugh she’s a great actress
How badly Jackie and Shauna wanted each other like omg.
I had the opposite reaction lol. My boyfriend and I watched the pilot together, and I forgot by my second or third watch how much I had missed about Jackie and Shauna because I had just assumed they were a couple. I completely forgot Jeff existed and was more interested in Lottie and Laura Lee and their spiritual stuff, what that meant, and my bf was like “yeah but do you think those two are ever gonna realize they like each other?” and I was like “who, the clearly already Gay Lesbian Captain Rainbow America couple?” I somehow had convinced myself it was canon by the first few episodes, and I had also forgot we don’t really find out about Tai and Van until a few episodes in.
it always felt like Van and Tai had always been a couple and so has Shauna and Jackie. It’s a soccer team for Christ sake. As a bisexual, I can attest, women’s soccer teams are queer breeding grounds
“Queer breeding ground” lol.
Not about the show, itself, but I learned after some research that the antler queen was intentionally in all the posters, and that all the cast had to wear contacts to have their eyes the exact color as the antler queen to keep her identity a secret
Wow that's actually pretty interesting, I knew Sophie Nélisse used contacts but thought it was just for the looks lmao
Yeah, it’s also to match with their older/younger versions of their characters
Teen Misty gets clocked in every season 😂 Ben, Shauna & Nat. How many times are they gonna hit that poor girl? Is it a metaphor that she’s their punching bag? Because that’s just gratuitous.