I'm going back to W7. After using W10 for years, it's way worse than 7. At least 7 wasn't so forceful with updates, didn't unexpectedly reboot randomly with no advance notice, didn't give errors doing automatic backups to external hard drives to induce us to pay for floating...millions of computers still use 7.
As much as I like Malware Bytes as part of the swiss-cheese model of security, it's still just a part of it. You shouldn't run a computer without updates.
We don't have a complete list of CVEs, as these also stopped being tracked in 2023. This should be more than enough for our use case though, as Windows 7 went out of support in 2020.
I'll summarize some of the key details. In consumer Windows 7 (you have not paid for extended support), there are 192 code execution vulnerabilities and 258 privilege escalation vulnerabilities. These can be combined for a very bad day on a fully patched consumer system.
You can't even get away with the "I'll be careful, promise."
CVE-2025-2783 in Chromium or CVE-2025-2857in Firefox allows for sandbox escape. Again, since Brave is downstream of Chromium, it will also be impacted.
Tl;dr: no, it is not safe to run Windows 7, even if you run Malware Bytes.
If you follow the linux argument that it's safe from malware 'cos not many people use it no one is assed to write malware for it - not many people use windows 7 . . .
No one has said Linux is safe from malware. However, most malware does not come from just being on the net. The user must do something to install it. In Linux, windows program may run but in Wine...and a lot of them don't run in Wine.....
On the other hand, w7 had way more bluescreens and since w10 got all the tablet optimisations from 8 and 8.1 its slightly faster and better multi core support.
If you use Wub_x64 to keep microsheet out you should use bitbefender free since it will be kept up to date and safe. You could re-enable ms temporarily if you need something form ms store but I have installed windows 10 with local account so no store anyway - not a big deal.
I tried out Bazzite, I like it. Been waiting for this weekend to go the extra mile and properly install on my PC.
Only complaint was I literally couldn't turn the mouse sensitivity down far enough. All the way down, with my mouse on lowest setting still makes my wrist hurt with over-tensing it trying to point at simple folders. I'm sure i'll get there.
Only complaint was I literally couldn't turn the mouse sensitivity down far enough.
Did you sign out/in again after changing the sensitivity? When I tried Bazzite out a couple of weeks ago, any change to the mouse sensitivity was only applied after a restart/sign off.
There's a lot of stuff, like enshittification of basic apps like notepad, to taskbar being less useful overall, unnecessary inclusion of the rather useless copilot and even more settings being hidden away from the user without an easy way to access them.
For power users its a nightmare, for regular ones i guess they would not care either way.
My new PC came with windows 11 but it's running windows 10 now. Windows 11 failure to see thumbdrive in my router for simple home network file sharing was the deal breaker.
Not to mention, that an update in October broke any way of mapping a SMBv1 shared folder/drive on Windows 11. I know SMBv1 is very outdated but you would be surprised how much outdated stuff is used in production environments.
Yes, in a perfect world that is definitely true. However, at my job, we have a lot of really old systems that are on special more secure VLANs in that are used as databases. They have not been updated yet and having that functionality break suddenly affects production.
Even Windows 10 disabled smb1 support, you need to re-enable it. I did not test it myself, but i guess the same method still works with w11 to enable smb1.
If iam wrong on that and w11 really really completly killed smb1 please correct me
The onus is on Windows to provide an experience that doesn't break the thing that worked on an older OS. If you have to enable something and Windows doesn't tell you that or ask you to enable it when you do the action, then it's a shitty OS.
Windows 10 used to tell you if you're connected to an old SMB 1 share. Not sure about now since I've long decommissioned SMB 1 servers but I would be surprised if Windows 11 doesn't.
When windows 10 updated, it used to stop my buffalo smb1 working but it was just a simple matter of re enabling smb1 in windows features. In windows 11 it took quite a bit more messing out to get it working than just doing that. But I don't really want to use it anyway when my (smb2) thumbstick in thg3000 router is way more convenient for just sharing a few files and whilst it worked a treat in windows10, linux, firestick etc there is no way I can get it to work in windows11.
I don't think it's even this. From an end user perspective but still responsible for deploying test software at my job, nothing I've seen on Windows 11 seems better than Windows 10, except that now some drivers and older software no longer works on our systems if updated to 11.
FYI I did manage to get my old SMB1 buffalo router running on windows 11. The thumbrive in thg3000 is actually SMB2. Spouting on about things without knowing the facts is on you.
As I also said in above posts, I don't really want to use my old smb router which is noisy bulky and requires being turned on, or left on or sending it wake up packages when I can just use my 128 Gb usb thumb drive plugged into router (smb2) which works just great with windows10, linux, firestick etc BUT NOT WINDOWS11. That is why I replaced it with windows10.
Thanks for the link but I think I can safely say I exhausted all the work arounds when it came to usb stick in router without success. Microsoft needs to own the problem and allow home users to opt for using private network in the same simple way as previous versions of windows.
After they told us 10 was the last version and we would never have to upgrade again, of course people are upset at Microsoft making the decision to lie.
It would be great if they brought back the 'I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea' campaign. They should listen to all feedback and reinstate the missing features. They should stop using the operating system to force AI and their terrible online services on people. Eliminate unnecessary hardware blocks.
!1 is a true PITA, especially forcing the average bear to get a new PC due to TPM crap.
O and O Shutup 10 works well, and further kills the telemetry & other crap. Worst and most insidious new feature of recent Win 11 builds is RECALL, which is a nightmare for anyone concerned about privacy, for journalists, or anyone running a business in cases of legal discovery
I didn’t like Windows 10 much, but 11 just feels like a giant wave crashing over me. It is overwhelming for little reason I can decipher. Nothing is even all that similar and it’s like my machines have been taken over by an alien actor. It makes me feel really uncomfortable and uneasy. I no longer feel like I know how to do anything.
No one has to throw away their computers if their software still works. People who do have just been suckered by Microsoft marketing. And there's nothing in purchasing a computer that says you'll get endless updates.
Microsoft are actually unusually good about support because their main customer base is business. I can write software that will run on every Windows computer in the world with no special requirements. Compare that to Apple. They dump their customers as quickly as they can get away with it, forcing people to buy new hardware.
I wish the IOT version was more readily available to average end users. Microsoft showed they are willing to bend the rules on the OS, but not for the masses. That move alone would have kept so many devices in peoples hands instead of the E-cyclers. Ideal would have been just to have windows 10 officially supported until W11 had complete feature parity, or they made a better OS instead tho.
no sorry I don't want any agentic crap or whatever, I want more control, not less.
I switched my workstation to mac, my htpc to linux mint and my other windows machines stayed on extended support. I will see the situation next year, if affinity indeed release for linux (and my games already there with steam/proton) I'm off for sure and keep only one system at windows for my wife that uses autocad/archicad.
MS have completely forgotten what an OS is about and is just pushing their AI agenda.
Financial uncertainty will cause businesses to delay new hardware purchases- and since system components are going up thanks to tariffs and other factors PCs/Laptops cost more.
Sticking to WIn 10 and waiting for Windows 12, but the usual tradition of good - bad - good Windows version probably will no longer applies onwards.. because the AI slops..
I hate the bs changed to audio devices. Sometimes I just want to open the old school sound menu, right clicks device and click disable. I hate the new settings menus.
A lot of people are fed up with having constant ads in their face and windows 11 is notorious about ads in the UI. It’s not super impactful since windows is still heavily used in enterprise, but the personal pc side of things I’ve seen a lot of people transition to Linux outright. It also doesn’t help that SteamOS is starting to dominate the gaming space which is eating into windows adoptions levels.
I highly doubt Microsoft will ever get their s*** together again, so I'll keep my current debloated, de-adwared and to some extent de-spywared W10 installation to run whatever software requires it, until the extended EOL hits. But I'll be installing a Linux distro soon on my personal PC as the primary dualboot.
I've been a Windows user actively for 20 years, but I'm actually happy that about a year ago my work position forced me to switch from a Dell Win laptop to a Macbook. Apple is Apple, but since W10 release Windows has been a disaster, and combined with the corporately minmaxed crappy Dell laptops it's true hell for whoever who actually wants to do some work, not just edit a spreadsheet.
cause windows 11 is broken most of the times. Even in release channel. And windows 10 were like more of stable most of the time. That gives people more feeling of safety than most modernized broken systems where "new developers" experiment with people and OS itself. Maybe feeling themselves like gods.
I am on win 11 and I had not realize the dare situation of OS when GPU devs comes to FIX OS CRITICAL PERFORMANCE with it's 581.94 drivers. Nvidia. When other big companies that work for that start to fix foreign bugs which is not their work by the meaning that this is not their OS - you know microsoft hit the fan with substance with their AI and people on OS devs does not even maybe knowing for what or on what they are working.
It’s kinda funny, recently bought a second hand XPS 13 with an Intel 8th gen processor. I used Dells support assist to do a factory OS restore from the cloud, the only OS restore option was Windows 10. It’s easy for Dell to complain, but they need to do better themselves in supporting the transition.
Copilot looks like worthless trash in their 186 second ads. My Vista laptop optical drive failed or I would still use that. I have zero use for anything Microsoft except the most stripped down operating system.
You guys are nuts, I’m still rocking Win XP. Joking of course, I moved to Mac around the win 8/10 timeframe.. got tired of windows moving stuff around all the time. Mac was a bit of a learning curve at first but every update always leaves the same screen layout and user controls.
Almost any computer can run Windows 11 if you know how to do it. But there really is no need to upgrade. There is no real reason to purchase a new PC either. Windows 10 will continue to run just fine. Get an anti-virus program and malware bytes to protect your windows 10 computer. If you use your computer to browse the internet and that's about it, use the browser Brave.
If you are computer savvy, and don't want windows AND you use it to browse the net and that's about it, replace Windows with Linux Mint. It looks a lot like windows and it runs fast on even older computers. Best of all it's free and supports older computers. I have it running on an older laptop that had windows 10 on it. I use it for internet browsing and that's about it..... It works great and it's way faster compared to windows.
That's because Windows 8 was crap and built for a tablet revolution that never came.
Plus, 11 isn't that big of an upgrade on 10 tbh. There's some nice new features here and there, but nothing essential, so it just adds more bloat for very little gain.
I have until 2028 until Windows 10 Education loses ESU support which is actually free lol.
If your university offered Windows 10 Education, you should use that. It’s basically Windows 10 Enterprise but with far more features than Windows 10 Pro. Though that is if you actually downloaded this edition prior to 2021 since Windows 11 came out.
I'm an IT director. I have no earthly idea why people aren't on 11. We migrated everyone, including "unsupported" pcs, including specialized RIP computers. No issues at all. I don't even think staff noticed the start button moved.
I'm a sysadmin. I've spearheaded the upgrade to Windows 11 at work. But on my personal systems? They're still on Windows 10, even modern AMD Zen 3 and 4 systems.
Why? Windows 10 is just more responsive and is able to better support my workflows on my PC better. Sure I can ExplorerPatcher my system but I shouldn't have to.
Also Microsoft seemingly trying to shove as much AI and other bloat into Windows 11 is something else that I don't want to deal with on computers that I want the OS to just fade behind what I'm trying to do.
There's some nice things about W11 but it's all ruined by the AI slop machine they're shoving in, even as a W10 pro user. Not worth ticking the thing in my bios in order to update my fuckin' PC.
I researched how to enable secure boot so I don't brick it. Enabled it, tmp 2.0 and everything else win11 needs and even though my machines specs overshoot win11 requirements, win11 still won't install on my machine because my cpus generation is too old. I use win11 for work and it is not an improvement. Sluggish and dumb. I also don't need windows forcing not only AI on me but compliance to automated surveillance and data collection. Microsoft sucks, so does apple, I'm seriously considering Linux.
Don't believe nobody noticed. So many things changed inexplicably; I still can't get used to them on 11 (or even figure them out) and am far happier with 10.
I can't. Tried to do it multiple times - it tries to install windows 11, reboots the PC 5 times and then reverts back to windows 10 :/. Classic microsoft
Multiple retarded folks that want to hug the past. Probably loved 3.11, 98, 7 and bought the hype that Win 10 is the last major Win release. Sad really, as Win 11 works fine and is supported for critical security vulnerabilities, which is kinda critical. But go ahead and cling to your unsupported OS (and fot you corporate ESU types, good luck with that). Jesus.
I've been using Windows since '95. I skipped ME and 8, because they were pretty bad.
I'm also planning on skipping 11, but this time is different because Microsoft is actively killing support for the previous generation already. In the past they've continued supporting each version of Windows until at least two new versions were released.
For example, windows 98 didn't end support until 2006, which is when windows vista was being rolled out. ME and XP were both released in between. Windows 7 didn't end support until 2020, five years after windows 10 came out, with windows 8 having been released in between.
I consider the situation to be 100% windows fault for pushing ai, bad code and general performance bloat into windows 11 while killing windows 10 support much earlier in their release cycle than they ever had before.
When my ESU runs out I'll be switching my home PC to Linux. I'll still take a look at Windows 12 if or when it comes out, but I'm really not satisfied with Windows 11 (which I use at work).
supported for critical security vulnerabilities, which is kinda critical.
Take a look at the monthly patch list. Are any of those patches "critical" for you? Their patches are mostly for buggy Microsoft software. Don't use MS Office and you won't need to constant MSO patches. Ditto for Remote Desktop.
If you study the list you'll also see that most patches are for "potential privilege escalation". That means a process being used on the computer could bypass lackey user rights. In other words, it's not a security risk if you own your own computer. It's a risk for corporate business computers, where it's important that employees only be able to access their assigned work.
Personally I have multiple installs of both 10 and 11. I use 10 for most things because it's less buggy and less brittle than 11. It still requires a lot of tweaking to make it behave and shut up, but at least that can be done. I have 11 mostly just to test software and out of curiosity.
11 is not too bad, but there's really no justification for it except in terms of Microsoft's ongoing strategy to hijack your computer and rent computing back to you, while also spying and showing ads. It's what MS used to call Windows as as Service. Now they call it an "agentic OS", which means if you want something, ask Copilot. Don't try to do it yourself.
Nope. We're staying with 10. Stay with us, Windows. Try to keep up (streets behind)
But you're missing out on the copilot button!
Oh I can't not miss it out!
Copilot is shit............
That's the joke............
I'm going back to W7. After using W10 for years, it's way worse than 7. At least 7 wasn't so forceful with updates, didn't unexpectedly reboot randomly with no advance notice, didn't give errors doing automatic backups to external hard drives to induce us to pay for floating...millions of computers still use 7.
Is 7 still safe to use?
No, it is not. A computer that does not regularly receive security updates is likely to be compromised if put on the Internet.
Combine this with the fact that modern browsers don't support it, and it would be a bad choice for operating systems.
Chrome dropped it in 2023: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/thread/185534987/sunsetting-support-for-windows-7-8-8-1-and-windows-server-2012-and-windows-server-2012-r2-in-2023?hl=en
Firefox's last version to support Windows 7 was 115, also released in 2023: https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/115.0/releasenotes/
The best thing for now is to jump through the Windows 10 extended support hoops until that too is over.
Bullshit.............. Try again............... As for browser, try Brave instead. Malware Bytes is also suggested.
I don't know why this is always a fight for people.
Let's start with the browser claim. Brave also only supports Windows 10 and later. As it is downstream of Chromium, this only makes sense.
https://support.brave.app/hc/en-us/articles/360021357112-What-are-the-system-requirements-to-install-Brave
As much as I like Malware Bytes as part of the swiss-cheese model of security, it's still just a part of it. You shouldn't run a computer without updates.
More info on the Swiss Cheese model: https://www.emsisoft.com/en/blog/38186/how-we-use-the-swiss-cheese-model-to-prevent-malware-infections/
We don't have a complete list of CVEs, as these also stopped being tracked in 2023. This should be more than enough for our use case though, as Windows 7 went out of support in 2020.
You can review the CVE data here: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/17153/Microsoft-Windows-7.html?vendor_id=26
I'll summarize some of the key details. In consumer Windows 7 (you have not paid for extended support), there are 192 code execution vulnerabilities and 258 privilege escalation vulnerabilities. These can be combined for a very bad day on a fully patched consumer system.
You can't even get away with the "I'll be careful, promise."
CVE-2025-2783 in Chromium or CVE-2025-2857in Firefox allows for sandbox escape. Again, since Brave is downstream of Chromium, it will also be impacted.
Tl;dr: no, it is not safe to run Windows 7, even if you run Malware Bytes.
If you follow the linux argument that it's safe from malware 'cos not many people use it no one is assed to write malware for it - not many people use windows 7 . . .
No one has said Linux is safe from malware. However, most malware does not come from just being on the net. The user must do something to install it. In Linux, windows program may run but in Wine...and a lot of them don't run in Wine.....
Sure it is. You just have to install a good virus package including anti malware. However, some of the newer software will not run on it.
On the other hand, w7 had way more bluescreens and since w10 got all the tablet optimisations from 8 and 8.1 its slightly faster and better multi core support.
Windows 3.1.1.1.1 ftw
But windows 10 updates have stopped now. Choice of web browser for windows 11 is bit limited.
Strange, I thought I got an update earlier this week iirc. Boring-assed home Win10.
Microsoft doing W10 "updates" to progressively make it slower, induce us to buy a newer windows.
If you use Wub_x64 to keep microsheet out you should use bitbefender free since it will be kept up to date and safe. You could re-enable ms temporarily if you need something form ms store but I have installed windows 10 with local account so no store anyway - not a big deal.
Maybe more likely nag ware than anything useful. I've block microshaft using Wub_x64. There is really nothing I want to hear from them.
You can get security updates for another year by paying for it or logging in with a Microsoft account.
Use Brave as your default browser............
got one just yesterday
I rather install bazzite/steam os than go to windows 11 on my home PC lol.
That's what I'm doing after ESU ends
I tried out Bazzite, I like it. Been waiting for this weekend to go the extra mile and properly install on my PC.
Only complaint was I literally couldn't turn the mouse sensitivity down far enough. All the way down, with my mouse on lowest setting still makes my wrist hurt with over-tensing it trying to point at simple folders. I'm sure i'll get there.
I haven't but i heard good things about it. Steam OS its around the corner so im waiting for that too.
For the mouse sensitivity, dunno if you are using UI for that, tried looking for a config file? You can probably set lower values that way.
Did you sign out/in again after changing the sensitivity? When I tried Bazzite out a couple of weeks ago, any change to the mouse sensitivity was only applied after a restart/sign off.
I cannot figure out how to decrease the touchpad scrolling speed under Linux, and the audio still sounds a lot worse than Windows.
Everything else is pretty fine though. I love how good it is now.
If it wasn't for COD and some other games than run anti cheat at kernel level, I would have switched to Linux long ago
I just keep Windows partitions that are gradually getting smaller and getting converted to ext4
Gabe could well save us all with SteamOS
Tbh mint or Ubuntu are probably easier to deal with! But it depends if you just want games or nah
Yeah but my focus will be Gaming PC, probably i will virtualize a W10-W11 machine for some small things and will be locked down to hell.
I'm curious what's the hate with 11? Feels a lot like a better 10 ime.
There's a lot of stuff, like enshittification of basic apps like notepad, to taskbar being less useful overall, unnecessary inclusion of the rather useless copilot and even more settings being hidden away from the user without an easy way to access them.
For power users its a nightmare, for regular ones i guess they would not care either way.
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My new PC came with windows 11 but it's running windows 10 now. Windows 11 failure to see thumbdrive in my router for simple home network file sharing was the deal breaker.
Smb is a nightmare on windows
Not to mention, that an update in October broke any way of mapping a SMBv1 shared folder/drive on Windows 11. I know SMBv1 is very outdated but you would be surprised how much outdated stuff is used in production environments.
SMBv1 is probably the last thing I'd ever have enabled considering WannaCry.
Yes, in a perfect world that is definitely true. However, at my job, we have a lot of really old systems that are on special more secure VLANs in that are used as databases. They have not been updated yet and having that functionality break suddenly affects production.
Fair, if there's other security controls/airgapping in place it's different.
No it's not. 3 of my 11 computers use it.
SMB stands for Server Message Block, a network file-sharing protocol.
not at all. SMB IS windows.
Him not knowing how to enable smb1 to support insecure devices is on him.
Even Windows 10 disabled smb1 support, you need to re-enable it. I did not test it myself, but i guess the same method still works with w11 to enable smb1.
If iam wrong on that and w11 really really completly killed smb1 please correct me
The onus is on Windows to provide an experience that doesn't break the thing that worked on an older OS. If you have to enable something and Windows doesn't tell you that or ask you to enable it when you do the action, then it's a shitty OS.
Windows 10 used to tell you if you're connected to an old SMB 1 share. Not sure about now since I've long decommissioned SMB 1 servers but I would be surprised if Windows 11 doesn't.
When windows 10 updated, it used to stop my buffalo smb1 working but it was just a simple matter of re enabling smb1 in windows features. In windows 11 it took quite a bit more messing out to get it working than just doing that. But I don't really want to use it anyway when my (smb2) thumbstick in thg3000 router is way more convenient for just sharing a few files and whilst it worked a treat in windows10, linux, firestick etc there is no way I can get it to work in windows11.
Well put. They have aimed the Windows 11 embarrassment at the corporate user at the expense of the home user.
I don't think it's even this. From an end user perspective but still responsible for deploying test software at my job, nothing I've seen on Windows 11 seems better than Windows 10, except that now some drivers and older software no longer works on our systems if updated to 11.
Tbh it's because security. Smb1 is very insecure. Of course it's turned off by default along with its terrible speeds
FYI I did manage to get my old SMB1 buffalo router running on windows 11. The thumbrive in thg3000 is actually SMB2. Spouting on about things without knowing the facts is on you.
Then why did you say it was the deal breaker above?
As I also said in above posts, I don't really want to use my old smb router which is noisy bulky and requires being turned on, or left on or sending it wake up packages when I can just use my 128 Gb usb thumb drive plugged into router (smb2) which works just great with windows10, linux, firestick etc BUT NOT WINDOWS11. That is why I replaced it with windows10.
Interesting. Looks like more issues have cropped up this past week: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5595121/is-there-a-permanent-fix-for-the-smb-file-sharing
Thanks for the link but I think I can safely say I exhausted all the work arounds when it came to usb stick in router without success. Microsoft needs to own the problem and allow home users to opt for using private network in the same simple way as previous versions of windows.
After they told us 10 was the last version and we would never have to upgrade again, of course people are upset at Microsoft making the decision to lie.
It would be great if they brought back the 'I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea' campaign. They should listen to all feedback and reinstate the missing features. They should stop using the operating system to force AI and their terrible online services on people. Eliminate unnecessary hardware blocks.
Good. Fuck Windows 11. Fuck Microsoft for forcing it on us. And especially fuck them for all their "AI" and data mining practices.
!1 is a true PITA, especially forcing the average bear to get a new PC due to TPM crap.
O and O Shutup 10 works well, and further kills the telemetry & other crap. Worst and most insidious new feature of recent Win 11 builds is RECALL, which is a nightmare for anyone concerned about privacy, for journalists, or anyone running a business in cases of legal discovery
I didn’t like Windows 10 much, but 11 just feels like a giant wave crashing over me. It is overwhelming for little reason I can decipher. Nothing is even all that similar and it’s like my machines have been taken over by an alien actor. It makes me feel really uncomfortable and uneasy. I no longer feel like I know how to do anything.
aw poor Dell, and Microsoft have done pretty much everything they can to force new sales too
How was this allowed by Governments. Working machines being throw away as they are not compatible with WIN 11.
No one has to throw away their computers if their software still works. People who do have just been suckered by Microsoft marketing. And there's nothing in purchasing a computer that says you'll get endless updates.
Microsoft are actually unusually good about support because their main customer base is business. I can write software that will run on every Windows computer in the world with no special requirements. Compare that to Apple. They dump their customers as quickly as they can get away with it, forcing people to buy new hardware.
I wish the IOT version was more readily available to average end users. Microsoft showed they are willing to bend the rules on the OS, but not for the masses. That move alone would have kept so many devices in peoples hands instead of the E-cyclers. Ideal would have been just to have windows 10 officially supported until W11 had complete feature parity, or they made a better OS instead tho.
I hope my old PC keeps running with 10 through all 11 existence, hoping 12 will be better (I'm very optimistic)
Smb1 has security issues and it’s supposed to be disabled. It’s “hidden” in windows features.
Windows 11 sucks
Windows 10 for me, not a fan of windows 11 and the focussing on A.I
no sorry I don't want any agentic crap or whatever, I want more control, not less.
I switched my workstation to mac, my htpc to linux mint and my other windows machines stayed on extended support. I will see the situation next year, if affinity indeed release for linux (and my games already there with steam/proton) I'm off for sure and keep only one system at windows for my wife that uses autocad/archicad.
MS have completely forgotten what an OS is about and is just pushing their AI agenda.
Financial uncertainty will cause businesses to delay new hardware purchases- and since system components are going up thanks to tariffs and other factors PCs/Laptops cost more.
so many issue i run into with 11 on deskt and pc. broken fan speeds on laptop in bios if win 11 installed.
fun
now who coulda seen that comin'?
Sticking to WIn 10 and waiting for Windows 12, but the usual tradition of good - bad - good Windows version probably will no longer applies onwards.. because the AI slops..
I hate the bs changed to audio devices. Sometimes I just want to open the old school sound menu, right clicks device and click disable. I hate the new settings menus.
I am not about to let them break their promise that Windows 10 was going to be the last version.
hey dell maybe look at your bullshit fucking pricing VS the quality of your product.
I hate windows 11 so much
Common sense.
A lot of people are fed up with having constant ads in their face and windows 11 is notorious about ads in the UI. It’s not super impactful since windows is still heavily used in enterprise, but the personal pc side of things I’ve seen a lot of people transition to Linux outright. It also doesn’t help that SteamOS is starting to dominate the gaming space which is eating into windows adoptions levels.
I highly doubt Microsoft will ever get their s*** together again, so I'll keep my current debloated, de-adwared and to some extent de-spywared W10 installation to run whatever software requires it, until the extended EOL hits. But I'll be installing a Linux distro soon on my personal PC as the primary dualboot.
I've been a Windows user actively for 20 years, but I'm actually happy that about a year ago my work position forced me to switch from a Dell Win laptop to a Macbook. Apple is Apple, but since W10 release Windows has been a disaster, and combined with the corporately minmaxed crappy Dell laptops it's true hell for whoever who actually wants to do some work, not just edit a spreadsheet.
cause windows 11 is broken most of the times. Even in release channel. And windows 10 were like more of stable most of the time. That gives people more feeling of safety than most modernized broken systems where "new developers" experiment with people and OS itself. Maybe feeling themselves like gods.
I am on win 11 and I had not realize the dare situation of OS when GPU devs comes to FIX OS CRITICAL PERFORMANCE with it's 581.94 drivers. Nvidia. When other big companies that work for that start to fix foreign bugs which is not their work by the meaning that this is not their OS - you know microsoft hit the fan with substance with their AI and people on OS devs does not even maybe knowing for what or on what they are working.
For the first time in my life I’m shopping for a Mac. Once SteamOS gets proper support for anticheat I’ll be switching from windows 10.
Soo....
The actual economy is slipping and is super unpredictable right now.
Jobs are fragile. And hard to find replacements.
The political landscape is crazy.
Old pc still works.
I don't understand... Why aren't they buying new pcs?!?
It’s kinda funny, recently bought a second hand XPS 13 with an Intel 8th gen processor. I used Dells support assist to do a factory OS restore from the cloud, the only OS restore option was Windows 10. It’s easy for Dell to complain, but they need to do better themselves in supporting the transition.
This has nothing to do with Win11 uptake. People are tired of Dell's low quality BS and don't want to buy their crappy computers.
Copilot looks like worthless trash in their 186 second ads. My Vista laptop optical drive failed or I would still use that. I have zero use for anything Microsoft except the most stripped down operating system.
You guys are nuts, I’m still rocking Win XP. Joking of course, I moved to Mac around the win 8/10 timeframe.. got tired of windows moving stuff around all the time. Mac was a bit of a learning curve at first but every update always leaves the same screen layout and user controls.
Almost any computer can run Windows 11 if you know how to do it. But there really is no need to upgrade. There is no real reason to purchase a new PC either. Windows 10 will continue to run just fine. Get an anti-virus program and malware bytes to protect your windows 10 computer. If you use your computer to browse the internet and that's about it, use the browser Brave.
If you are computer savvy, and don't want windows AND you use it to browse the net and that's about it, replace Windows with Linux Mint. It looks a lot like windows and it runs fast on even older computers. Best of all it's free and supports older computers. I have it running on an older laptop that had windows 10 on it. I use it for internet browsing and that's about it..... It works great and it's way faster compared to windows.
That's because Windows 8 was crap and built for a tablet revolution that never came.
Plus, 11 isn't that big of an upgrade on 10 tbh. There's some nice new features here and there, but nothing essential, so it just adds more bloat for very little gain.
I have until 2028 until Windows 10 Education loses ESU support which is actually free lol.
If your university offered Windows 10 Education, you should use that. It’s basically Windows 10 Enterprise but with far more features than Windows 10 Pro. Though that is if you actually downloaded this edition prior to 2021 since Windows 11 came out.
Well I WONDER WHY?!?
Guys and gals, you likely wouldn't believe how snappy Linux is on your computers...
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I'm an IT director. I have no earthly idea why people aren't on 11. We migrated everyone, including "unsupported" pcs, including specialized RIP computers. No issues at all. I don't even think staff noticed the start button moved.
I'm a sysadmin. I've spearheaded the upgrade to Windows 11 at work. But on my personal systems? They're still on Windows 10, even modern AMD Zen 3 and 4 systems.
Why? Windows 10 is just more responsive and is able to better support my workflows on my PC better. Sure I can ExplorerPatcher my system but I shouldn't have to.
Also Microsoft seemingly trying to shove as much AI and other bloat into Windows 11 is something else that I don't want to deal with on computers that I want the OS to just fade behind what I'm trying to do.
There's some nice things about W11 but it's all ruined by the AI slop machine they're shoving in, even as a W10 pro user. Not worth ticking the thing in my bios in order to update my fuckin' PC.
They need to just stop with the AI BS. No one wants it.
I researched how to enable secure boot so I don't brick it. Enabled it, tmp 2.0 and everything else win11 needs and even though my machines specs overshoot win11 requirements, win11 still won't install on my machine because my cpus generation is too old. I use win11 for work and it is not an improvement. Sluggish and dumb. I also don't need windows forcing not only AI on me but compliance to automated surveillance and data collection. Microsoft sucks, so does apple, I'm seriously considering Linux.
Nice try Micro$oft
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Don't believe nobody noticed. So many things changed inexplicably; I still can't get used to them on 11 (or even figure them out) and am far happier with 10.
It’s the AI slop. Honestly if the bubble burst and Microsoft backs off of the AI slop people would probably get over it.
I can't. Tried to do it multiple times - it tries to install windows 11, reboots the PC 5 times and then reverts back to windows 10 :/. Classic microsoft
Multiple retarded folks that want to hug the past. Probably loved 3.11, 98, 7 and bought the hype that Win 10 is the last major Win release. Sad really, as Win 11 works fine and is supported for critical security vulnerabilities, which is kinda critical. But go ahead and cling to your unsupported OS (and fot you corporate ESU types, good luck with that). Jesus.
I've been using Windows since '95. I skipped ME and 8, because they were pretty bad.
I'm also planning on skipping 11, but this time is different because Microsoft is actively killing support for the previous generation already. In the past they've continued supporting each version of Windows until at least two new versions were released.
For example, windows 98 didn't end support until 2006, which is when windows vista was being rolled out. ME and XP were both released in between. Windows 7 didn't end support until 2020, five years after windows 10 came out, with windows 8 having been released in between.
I consider the situation to be 100% windows fault for pushing ai, bad code and general performance bloat into windows 11 while killing windows 10 support much earlier in their release cycle than they ever had before.
When my ESU runs out I'll be switching my home PC to Linux. I'll still take a look at Windows 12 if or when it comes out, but I'm really not satisfied with Windows 11 (which I use at work).
So far past half-year every win11 update broke something, The security vulnerabilities is just propaganda to make people spend money on new PC.
The last critical security vulnerability (that microsoft labeled as critical) was years ago.
Nice try Microsoft employee
Take a look at the monthly patch list. Are any of those patches "critical" for you? Their patches are mostly for buggy Microsoft software. Don't use MS Office and you won't need to constant MSO patches. Ditto for Remote Desktop.
If you study the list you'll also see that most patches are for "potential privilege escalation". That means a process being used on the computer could bypass lackey user rights. In other words, it's not a security risk if you own your own computer. It's a risk for corporate business computers, where it's important that employees only be able to access their assigned work.
Personally I have multiple installs of both 10 and 11. I use 10 for most things because it's less buggy and less brittle than 11. It still requires a lot of tweaking to make it behave and shut up, but at least that can be done. I have 11 mostly just to test software and out of curiosity.
11 is not too bad, but there's really no justification for it except in terms of Microsoft's ongoing strategy to hijack your computer and rent computing back to you, while also spying and showing ads. It's what MS used to call Windows as as Service. Now they call it an "agentic OS", which means if you want something, ask Copilot. Don't try to do it yourself.
Windows 11 is fancier but buggy and laggy af.