Yeah I gave it to troopers and the guy who got hit. Poor dude was in a rental on his way to bury his mother. When he asked her if she was ok. She said “did you hit me”
Woman in white car drives too fast in the rain, swerves into the guard rail, rebounds into a black car, they crash and come to the side of the road. The guy who got crashed into was in a rental and was going to his mother’s funeral. He was concerned and went to the woman’s car and asked her if she was OK. Despite obviously wiping out and crashing into the guy, the woman instead accused him of being the one to hit her.
People that think OP was in the wrong for driving at a safe speed for the CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD, are fucking unhinged, and probably dangerous drivers themselves.
Every time. These people are unhinged drivers and should have their licenses taken away. Left lane is for passing yes, but that does not apply to the other lanes. And in NONE of the lanes should you SPEED. Shitheads.
You should always pass on the left, but the left lane is not the only lane that you can use for passing. If the road has three lanes, you can safely pass while in the left or middle lane IF you are passing the car in the left. (Meaning if you are in the left lane, in theory you shouldn’t really pass the car in front of you in the left lane by going into the middle lane because cars in the middle lane SHOULD me slower moving that the left lane)
But passing a car to the left can be done safely from any lane to the lane in your immediate left.
They're gaslighting you. There is no standing water any more than in the other lanes, and highways have specific slopes so the water is just running off it to the right.
The person that crashes does so because they randomly hit their brake and lost control. You can hydroplane and be fine. They just suck at driving and sadly caused this accident. OP shoudl definitely be to the far right though, it's literally the law where I live anyway. "stay right unless to pass"
What it is is insanity, it's incredible how you can get fixated on one little detail that doesn't even make any difference to the point being made. And "negative"? Fuck me, what a bunch of dweebs with no driver's licence.
I literally wasn't even part of the original conversation. I don't give a damn whether or not the road has water on it or not, that's not the point of my comment. I'm pointing out that that the user I'm responding to is consistently and incorrectly using the term gaslighting.
That's exactly what I'm claiming you guys are doing by saying there are large standing pools of water when there is clearly water all over all the lanes. You are denying reality.
I think downvoters are triggered by the word 'gaslighting'. Some people are very fragile and we need to help the poor dears. Your point is correct, of course. There's no visible standing water in the right lane in any part of the video
You are mistaken, every lane has vehicles kicking up that water trail. It's not standing water it's just really raining. If it was standing water it'd be displaced out to the sides, not behind.
All the lanes have the same water, I see no large puddles as you claim. Roads are sloped so water drains off them. This road seems to be fine.
Even if you hydroplane you are fine, the person that causes the accident abruptly brakes, you see their brakelights. This is when they lose control and swerve. I've driven through many a rainstorm also snow storms.
OP absolutely shoudl be in the far right and has already caused 2 passes in this short clip that were unnecessarily dangerous.
If they are far right when people pass they can potentially pass far left lane with a 1 lane buffer in between. By staying in the middle they force peopel to pass them with closer proximity.
Also I'm not convinced they don't just always cruise in the middle lane, I really get that vibe. Also I see it a lot when I drive.
Germany indeed does have that law as do a couple of other European countries if I remember correctly. That being said you aren't required to travel on the far right lane if it's dangerous because of standing water or other possible issues.
I appreciate that in this particular case there’s standing water in the right lane but I really wish the US would adopt the rule of keeping all the way to the right and not treat lane 1 as some sort of extension to the on/off ramps or “short term” use. It is much more efficient for traffic flow and safer.
He should have been in the right lane tho. Its the "im going a safe speed, fuck the rest of yall" lane it keeps you out of the way of dipshits like this and its a garentee your getting your exit
First off it's not unreasonable to drive in the middle lane for a while if there are people merging on and off the highway, but secondly the right lane here had standing water, which is dangerous to drive on as demonstrated by the person who hydroplaned and caused the accident
You should really learn some things about driving in inclement weather if you ever drive in the rain or snow
Speed is fine, but they shouldn't be center lane hogging, they are reducing the available road for everyone.
Bascially we see 3 different speeds in this video, OPs speed, white minivan speed, and then crazy moron in SUV speed.
Not saying passing on the right and losing control is ok, but if they are far right, then van passes in middle lane, and crazy SUV in far left, and this is a far safer secnario for everyone including OP
Wow the people here giving the cam driver shit are nuts. He’s not in the passing lane. Let the idiots who need speed go by on the left. For all we know he’s doing the speed limit.
If you look at the image I posted my right blinker was on and I was going 65MPH the legal speed limit. The exit sign is literally the exit I use for work lol.
If you're far right you leave more room to safely pass. Keep right except to pass is not just be kind of right, except when passing, like sort of a bit to the right, No stay far right. Then if you need to pass a semi go middle lane, and peopel going faster than that far left allowing 3 different rates of speed.
If the slowest driver is center lane then when the third person shows up going faster, they will attempt to pass far right lane around middle lane, because peopel are passing far left but slower than their speed.
This creates a scenario where peopel are passing you on the right, not saying they are justified in their speed etc, but this is just the safest organization of moving objects.
Every. Fucking. Time. They perch on top of the "keep right" rule like it's a holy commandment while dodging the actual posted speed limit with language like "prevailing speed." Like, no, my dude, I don't give two donkey's balls about your pearl clutching over lanes when you are literally breaking driving rule number one.
JFC I meant everyone driving like it’s a stone dry road. I do the middle lane in weather, too, mostly to avoid standing water and the transition lanes on and off the highway.
The argument that I shouldn’t be holding the middle lane with no one behind me and driving the speed limit in terrible conditions is absurd. People are just rage baiting lol
I don't disagree. I dont know the highway you're on but the stretch I drive on I'd personally keep right. That's because I'm more rural, not a lot of the exits and entrances are used in bad weather, late at night, even after "rush hour". If it was busy I'd do what you're doing put of convenience and safety for less lane changes. Although I always do the speed limit. Bought the right tires and AWD to be able to always do that xD
It's not rage bait, where I live it's the law, dunno about there. "Stay right unless to pass."
Also, why not allow people a larger buffer when passing you also? You really want to be passed on the right and so close on the left? If you are far right peopel can pass far left with a 1 lane buffer.
Not saying people should pass on the right, but you open yourself up for it when you middle lane cruise.
I'm not saying this accident is your fault, it very clearly isn't, that guy hit his brakes for no reason and lost control, aka. bad driving. But I will say you are a factor in how this all played out.
Re-envision how this goes if you are far right, there's much more room for everyone to pass you, and dumb dumb who causes this crash isn't compelled to pass on the right.
Just consider this lol, it's not your fault though.
Basically, yeah. In some places, big trucks may be using that lane, then you can use the center lane if slower traffic exists to your right.
You can move over to let people merge and other things, but you shouldn't just cruise center lane for no reason other than you like the space. It just creates this scenario seen in OPs vid where you get passed on both sides, which is unnerving and dangerous. ,
It’s a 3 lane road. You’re allowed to utilize all 3 lanes when driving. Just because the assholes in the right and left lanes want to treat the road like it’s a racetrack, doesn’t mean the person driving in the middle lane is in the wrong.
just creates this scenario seen in OPs vid where you get passed on both sides
No, idiot drivers who are in so much of a hurry that they pass people on the right in spite of standing water are what cause these scenarios, not people driving in totally normal and acceptable ways
Now re-envision how it goes if Brakey McGee were doing the actual speed limit. You'd have to envision it- because they wouldn't have had to pass at all. Their choice of lane to pass in was also irrelevant- by your own assertions (from a reddit gif, I'll note) all three lanes were equally treacherous and it was their sudden braking that caused the accident- which was exacerbated by excessive speed. So regardless of whether OP was not supposed to be in that lane or not, that's pretty moot when people like drive like that around them- such as that black vehicle that just kind of floated in front of OP without a proper signal.
Also, the video doesn't provide enough context to know whether OP's lane choice was even improper. I will say that here in NY there's a particularly nasty section of road that people treat like the Autobahn freaquently, and despite using the two left lanes TECHNICALLY being the safer (legal) option, nearly every day there is a point where I'd LIKE to move right, but here comes Brakey McGee's inbred upstate cousin blasting up the right doing 80. There's no fucking way I'm moving in front of that since I can't be sure they're not also posting on reddit at the same time. Between the speeding, the lack of signals, the weaving, and tailgating, it gets to the point most times where the ACTUAL safest plan is to pick a lane based on your exit and hold your speed steady (near the limit).
With how much water is being tossed around, I don’t how any of the cars could see. I know my windshield wipers couldn’t keep up at 70 with that much water.
Ive been in pouring rain where visibility was so shit, changing lanes was the worst possible plan.
This one doesn't seem like those conditions, but I just wanted to have you realize that in a sudden downpour, the decision to slow down and not change lanes might be the best.
The "lane" is a line painted on the road. The road turns to the right ahead. You have to turn a bit anyway lol no one is saying you have to change lanes like it's pacman or something, you can signal and gradually move over.
If you are unable to lane change, you shouldn't be driving. Go get better tires.
Who cares? That typically only applies to the passing lane, cause its meant for passing people in the middle lane..... and why would you want to match the speed of these idiots, its clearly pouring. Do none of you guys understand you're supposed to drive according to the conditions of the road???
Slower traffic keep right means not in the left lane. Dumbass.
If you are going as fast as is safe for conditions, middle lane is fine cause people can pass you on the left.
And if you are too impatient to wait 20 seconds, get off the fucking road.
People downvote the truth and this is why no one fucking gets anywhere on our roads, and why studies always show adding more lanes to a road doesn't reduce traffic. Try and make something idiotproof and they design a better idiot. smh at the downvotes you're getting.
lol np tbh it's mostly hopeless. Discussions like you see here just convince me humans are mostly unfit to pilot 1ton chunks of metal at high speeds in general.
Many people prioritize their own perceived safety over an actually effective road system. I view driving as a team sport, and consider ways we might best organize vehicles ona road for maximum safety/efficiency.
It seems like many peopel are just very afraid behind the wheel, and make decisions that they think maximize their safety, but in reality create dangerous scenarios that make accidents more likely.
If there even was a standard definition for a collector lane (1) (2), the right lane of a highway is not a collector lane.
In America there can be miles between exits. There can be vast stretches of rural exits that see minimal use. Don't travel in the middle lane because you don't want to switch lanes in a mile and a half.
The right lane is also for cruising. Get up to speed on the merge ramps. Only change lanes to the left if you're going to pass. Then change back to the right.
I swear, the Church should update the Seven Virtues to include an eighth: Lane integrity.
To back you up a bit more now that I know where this is, the GSP can randomly have a good bit of water on the shoulders. Driving the speed limit down the middle lane is smart, especially when you know what bits of the GSP are the bad parts.
colors. the yellow to white and black letters on the first white dodge mini van - then a ny or a arizona passes him on the left, white nj rav4 on the left
I can’t make out the grey subaru
I wear really strong contacts, awful distance but my colors and patterns is my jam
In heavy rain the middle lane is usually safest because water is less likely to pool there. Cam car did exactly what they were supposed to. Everyone else should have been driving at their speed or slower
Lmao the one person who didn't nearly get shattered into a billion pieces in the video because they kept a safe distance and speed...and people are on their ass about it. Okay.
Other people driving poorly is not an excuse to drive poorly yourself. There was a hazard in the right lane and OP was doing the speed limit, which is genuinely usually too high for rain at this volume to begin with.
The stock tires I had were NOT safe to drive over huge pools of water like that on the highway so I had to drive in the middle lane before I upgraded to better ones.
Not sure about the downvotes, this is exactly right. The middle lane and slow the fuck down...there's far too much water being kicked up, these people should be doing at least 10-15mph slower.
It wasn't just driving fast. It was driving fast, passing on the right over a large pool of water, braking causing them to hydroplane, and then jerking the steering wheel slightly to the left because they were panicking
Puddles are fun if you know how to drive through them lol It's best to avoid them, but you shouldn't be afraid of them, sometimes they are unavoidable, you should be prepared.
Don't brake, maintain your direction, release gas.
This person in the vid, hit their brake and turned the wheel, when the puddle ended they regained traction and because they turned the wheel left started to veer left quickly after regaining traction.
Just remain calm when driving in these conditions lol No panic, nice smooth actions. I believe in you matt
He wasn't. 2 cars passed on the left, one moves back to the middle lane, The guy passing on the rightwas going faster than everyone, including the 3rd car to pass OP to his left. The car passing on the right, speeding faster than the people using the left lane to pass, caused the accident.
I mean you might as well blame the people in the left lane for not going fast enough also.
Or you know, you could blame the guy who spun out, as you should.
Edit... And, if Mr right lane speeder, accident causer, was coming up on me like that, the absolute LAST thing I would do is move into the lane he's in.
Really tough conditions and visibility. My preference is to stay middle lane because of shit like this. Gives you options to maneuver. I was going way too fast too at like 63 white suv probably was going 80-85 before losing traction.
Wtf is wrong with the morons downvoting you. The person who passed you on the right was clearly going faster than even the people in the left lane. Those conditions obviously justified driving slower, and I worry about judgement of the clowns that are trying to criticize you in this situation.
You’re 100% right. People downvoting you are clueless on how to drive in wet conditions and probably have zero clue how much treadwear their tires have
I think you're in the right. I would've also been in the middle lane. Just because you're getting passed by some dumb MFer on the right going way too fast for conditions doesn't mean you're in the wrong.
I absolutely despise middle lane drivers - but in those conditions aquaplaning happens less frequently in the middle lane due to camber in the road. So I don't blame you. That being said, personally if people were passing me both sides I would have moved over mainly because I would rather slow down further and take my chances with aquaplaning than have aggressive drivers passing on both sides haha.
Someone could have been going slow in the left lane. I think OP said they were doing the speed limit in which case, they aren't doing anything wrong by keeping their lane in shitty conditions.
1) The right lane wasn't safe to drive on because of the pool of water.
2) Passing lane was open so the driver of the white SUV should have drove on that lane to pass instead of the right lane.
3) OP stayed at the speed limit with a far enough distance to avoid the accident caused by the white SUV and then slowly moved all the way to shoulder (this is defensive driving).
Correlation doesn’t = causation, everyone else was attempting to speed in unsafe conditions. The OP doesn’t have control over what the other drivers are doing and reading people telling them to roll the dice on hydroplaning themselves like that’s the obvious choice, is like being called weird because you’re the only one not huffing spray paint in art class
They’re on a highway… there’s cars everywhere. Correlation =\= causation so the fact that the cars start behind OP isn’t really relevant, especially when the accident occurs several car lengths ahead of OP when the white car hydroplaned on their own because they were speeding and passing in the right instead of waiting to pass on the left like the other two cars did. I can also see that you aren’t a big fan of metaphors
Which was incorrect. Except for the van, we can see that every other car in the video starts somewhere behind OP.
That’s it. That’s all I said. You’re going on about other things, straw-manning the absolute fuck out of my comments, trying to pin all kinds of meaning to them that just isn’t there.
You are wrong. Concensus says you are wrong. Common sense says you are wrong. Traffic engineers say you are wrong. The more aggressively you choose to continue being wrong, the dumber you look to everyone here. You are fooling anyone.
Dude was also going ~15mph faster than the OP and immediately hit the brakes instead of riding it out. He was going way too fast for conditions. Totally that persons fault for wrecking.
Also, being the slower person on the road, the OP is supposed to be in the right hand lane and go at a speed within the speed limit and safely according to conditions. At least, here in the US. Read the rules, boomer.
You do realize that a lot of trucking companies say to ride the middle if on a 3 lane road like this because statistically it's the safest lane on a multi lane highway? Its still a "slower lane". OP is fine. Even in the US.
Genuine question, do you not have overtake/undertake laws in your country? The right lane shouldn't be undertaking you anyway, right? By law they have to reduce their speed to match yours or they're breaking the law, technically?
At least that's how it technically works in the UK. Not that many adhere to it...
Not gonna apologize for driving the speed limit in pouring rain. I was nearing my exit and preparing to merge right when someone flew past me at 85 mph and totaled their vehicle. I’ll do better next time :(
You were fine. Thats considered a travel lane. Trucking companies by policy have stated they prefer their drivers to stay in those lanes due to them being statistically safer until obviously their exit.
What the fuck? The guy passing on the right just straight up loses control because he's going too fast for conditions... It literally has nothing to do with the person in the center lane.
Yeah maybe he should just go 80 mph in shitty weather conditions like everyone else. Tbh I avoid the right lane in weather like that because that's where any standing water would be. I don't really feel like hydroplaning into a guard rail
You should probably talk to your local government about these concerns then. Staying in the middle lane while moving slower than the rest of traffic turns you into a hazard. You arent smart, you're selfish.
"It's so simple, just tell the government to fix all the roads!"
Thank you for your wonderful suggestion. In the meantime, I'm going to protect myself by driving in the middle lanes during rainy conditions with limited visibility :)
OP did exactly what I would've done, and guess what? He avoided a terrible accident caused by people driving way too fast for conditions! We shouldn't even be comparing OP's driving to everyone else because everyone else was in the wrong. OP was the smartest driver out of everyone. I do agree with you regarding normal driving conditions though, which is not what we're discussing
So many things wrong in this video. Driving too fast for conditions, not moving over after they pass, camera car driving in the middle lane like Miss Daisy is in the back seat. Why did the white car slam on the brakes and veer hard right? It didn't look like anyone was in front of them but it's tough to tell with the mist
Hydroplaned due to torrential rain. There’s a slight curve before the off-ramp she lost traction and didn’t ride it out. Tried to correct by breaking lost control.
Imagine saying that when the people overtaking on the left are barely doing so and the one single car overtaking on the right was clearly driving so recklessly that they immediately crashed on their own accord...
I'm with you on this one, I think...there's no shame in being in the middle lane...especially when the road is this wet and you're looking to avoid puddles. In fact, it seems a little pedantic to try and squabble about that detail.
I often cruise the middle lane so I won't have to constantly stop for people turning or merging. Of course I move into the left lane when I'm passing people, but I primarilily like staying in the middle lane until my exit pops up and I have to move over.
Maybe someday, in our upcoming utopia, people will finally start realizing they shouldn't camp the fast lane. Someday.
In the meantime, trying to get people to stay to the far-right lane seems like a silly endeavor...especially when the middle lane is likely the safest option in this kind of situation.
imo the driver with the dashcam here shouldn't be center lane cruising. It does not appear there is a merge nearby, although I don't know this road.
The guy passing on the right is an idiot, but if you are driving slower than all the traffic around you, move to the far right cmon. This makes it so much safer for everyone to pass you.
You should provide this video to all insurance companies involved
Yeah I gave it to troopers and the guy who got hit. Poor dude was in a rental on his way to bury his mother. When he asked her if she was ok. She said “did you hit me”
Oh man that’s so fucking awful. Like the worst thing already happened to him and now this too? Brutal. Glad you helped him out.
The GSP is filled with the biggest morons sometimes. I commute this road every day at like 5:30-6:30 and if it’s pouring, there is ALWAYS an accident.
I'm so confused. He was on his way to bury his mother. But she said "did you hit me"? Am I reading this right or am I stroking out
The guy who got hit asked the woman who hit him if she was OK.
Thank you! I was also very confused by that sentence.
Woman in white car drives too fast in the rain, swerves into the guard rail, rebounds into a black car, they crash and come to the side of the road. The guy who got crashed into was in a rental and was going to his mother’s funeral. He was concerned and went to the woman’s car and asked her if she was OK. Despite obviously wiping out and crashing into the guy, the woman instead accused him of being the one to hit her.
You can’t be serious….
Seems she lost a wheel? Might have been confused.
People that think OP was in the wrong for driving at a safe speed for the CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD, are fucking unhinged, and probably dangerous drivers themselves.
Every time. These people are unhinged drivers and should have their licenses taken away. Left lane is for passing yes, but that does not apply to the other lanes. And in NONE of the lanes should you SPEED. Shitheads.
You should always pass on the left, but the left lane is not the only lane that you can use for passing. If the road has three lanes, you can safely pass while in the left or middle lane IF you are passing the car in the left. (Meaning if you are in the left lane, in theory you shouldn’t really pass the car in front of you in the left lane by going into the middle lane because cars in the middle lane SHOULD me slower moving that the left lane)
But passing a car to the left can be done safely from any lane to the lane in your immediate left.
Not just the farthest left lane.
Only issue I saw was OP could have/ should have moved over to the right. Otherwise they were driving safely
Negative.
As seen on the video, the far right lane had standing water in it and was itself a hazard to travel down.
OP was in the farthest right lane that was also safe to travel down.
Op was absolutely 100% in the correct lane.
I stand corrected. I missed the standing water my first playthrough.
OP was right.
They're gaslighting you. There is no standing water any more than in the other lanes, and highways have specific slopes so the water is just running off it to the right.
The person that crashes does so because they randomly hit their brake and lost control. You can hydroplane and be fine. They just suck at driving and sadly caused this accident. OP shoudl definitely be to the far right though, it's literally the law where I live anyway. "stay right unless to pass"
Stop using that word wrong.
I'm not, you guys are saying there were puddles, but it's pretty clear there are no standing pools of water larger than the other lanes.
This is gaslighting.
Thats LYING. Gaslighting is a repeated, continous attempt to deny reality by making the victim seem insane and out of touch with reality.
What it is is insanity, it's incredible how you can get fixated on one little detail that doesn't even make any difference to the point being made. And "negative"? Fuck me, what a bunch of dweebs with no driver's licence.
I literally wasn't even part of the original conversation. I don't give a damn whether or not the road has water on it or not, that's not the point of my comment. I'm pointing out that that the user I'm responding to is consistently and incorrectly using the term gaslighting.
That's exactly what I'm claiming you guys are doing by saying there are large standing pools of water when there is clearly water all over all the lanes. You are denying reality.
I think you functionally do not understand the conversation at this point, and I am not going to waste energy explaining it to you again. Good day.
I think downvoters are triggered by the word 'gaslighting'. Some people are very fragile and we need to help the poor dears. Your point is correct, of course. There's no visible standing water in the right lane in any part of the video
Yeah, I find this whole thing bizarre. You might be right about the language, though. They do seem quite upset over that word.
You are mistaken, every lane has vehicles kicking up that water trail. It's not standing water it's just really raining. If it was standing water it'd be displaced out to the sides, not behind.
All the lanes have the same water, I see no large puddles as you claim. Roads are sloped so water drains off them. This road seems to be fine.
Even if you hydroplane you are fine, the person that causes the accident abruptly brakes, you see their brakelights. This is when they lose control and swerve. I've driven through many a rainstorm also snow storms.
OP absolutely shoudl be in the far right and has already caused 2 passes in this short clip that were unnecessarily dangerous.
If they are far right when people pass they can potentially pass far left lane with a 1 lane buffer in between. By staying in the middle they force peopel to pass them with closer proximity.
Also I'm not convinced they don't just always cruise in the middle lane, I really get that vibe. Also I see it a lot when I drive.
Hydroplaning is not fine. There are things you can do to minimize the danger, but having zero wheels contacting the ground is still not safe.
In what country or state is the law to in the far right lane on a 3 lane high way if you are not passing?
I think it's hilarious for someone to say hydroplane and you are fine in the same sentence.
Why the heck would OP put themselves at risk of hydroplaning for strangers?
Germany indeed does have that law as do a couple of other European countries if I remember correctly. That being said you aren't required to travel on the far right lane if it's dangerous because of standing water or other possible issues.
If in Germany, the right lane driver also broke the law by passing on the right.
Negative.
As seen IN the video, the far right lane did not have standing water ON it and was itself as safe to travel down as the other lanes.
OP was not in the farthest right lane that was also safe to travel down.
OP was absolutely 100% in the wrong lane.
FTFY
No.
Left lane is for passing, middle lane is for long-term/cruising, right lane for short term/exiting.
Basic fucking logistics.
I appreciate that in this particular case there’s standing water in the right lane but I really wish the US would adopt the rule of keeping all the way to the right and not treat lane 1 as some sort of extension to the on/off ramps or “short term” use. It is much more efficient for traffic flow and safer.
He should have been in the right lane tho. Its the "im going a safe speed, fuck the rest of yall" lane it keeps you out of the way of dipshits like this and its a garentee your getting your exit
The right lane had standing water, as demonstrated by the white car hydroplaning and causing the accident
Why is he driving in the middle lane?
First off it's not unreasonable to drive in the middle lane for a while if there are people merging on and off the highway, but secondly the right lane here had standing water, which is dangerous to drive on as demonstrated by the person who hydroplaned and caused the accident
You should really learn some things about driving in inclement weather if you ever drive in the rain or snow
Ok genius
Speed is fine, but they shouldn't be center lane hogging, they are reducing the available road for everyone.
Bascially we see 3 different speeds in this video, OPs speed, white minivan speed, and then crazy moron in SUV speed.
Not saying passing on the right and losing control is ok, but if they are far right, then van passes in middle lane, and crazy SUV in far left, and this is a far safer secnario for everyone including OP
Wow the people here giving the cam driver shit are nuts. He’s not in the passing lane. Let the idiots who need speed go by on the left. For all we know he’s doing the speed limit.
If you look at the image I posted my right blinker was on and I was going 65MPH the legal speed limit. The exit sign is literally the exit I use for work lol.
It’s just bozos here rage baiting
Yep, the idiot is the one overtaking people and then blaming an innocent
What ever happened to the posted…LEGAL SPEED LIMIT !!!
If you're far right you leave more room to safely pass. Keep right except to pass is not just be kind of right, except when passing, like sort of a bit to the right, No stay far right. Then if you need to pass a semi go middle lane, and peopel going faster than that far left allowing 3 different rates of speed.
If the slowest driver is center lane then when the third person shows up going faster, they will attempt to pass far right lane around middle lane, because peopel are passing far left but slower than their speed.
This creates a scenario where peopel are passing you on the right, not saying they are justified in their speed etc, but this is just the safest organization of moving objects.
I love how aggressive people get about lane usage on reddit for no reason.
They always lack context but have the biggest angriest mouths on the planet. We can tell yall are the unsafe speeders when you talk like that
And they speed
Every. Fucking. Time. They perch on top of the "keep right" rule like it's a holy commandment while dodging the actual posted speed limit with language like "prevailing speed." Like, no, my dude, I don't give two donkey's balls about your pearl clutching over lanes when you are literally breaking driving rule number one.
This ain’t Le Mans….slow the fuck down.
JFC I meant everyone driving like it’s a stone dry road. I do the middle lane in weather, too, mostly to avoid standing water and the transition lanes on and off the highway.
https://imgur.com/a/n2TVltS
The argument that I shouldn’t be holding the middle lane with no one behind me and driving the speed limit in terrible conditions is absurd. People are just rage baiting lol
It's also a fucjing stupid argument. You were avoiding standing water, preventing the exact crash in the video...
Bro you’re fine. If you had this video from the right lane prescriptive, people would have told you to move to the shoulder to let others pass.
I don't disagree. I dont know the highway you're on but the stretch I drive on I'd personally keep right. That's because I'm more rural, not a lot of the exits and entrances are used in bad weather, late at night, even after "rush hour". If it was busy I'd do what you're doing put of convenience and safety for less lane changes. Although I always do the speed limit. Bought the right tires and AWD to be able to always do that xD
It's not rage bait, where I live it's the law, dunno about there. "Stay right unless to pass."
Also, why not allow people a larger buffer when passing you also? You really want to be passed on the right and so close on the left? If you are far right peopel can pass far left with a 1 lane buffer.
Not saying people should pass on the right, but you open yourself up for it when you middle lane cruise.
I'm not saying this accident is your fault, it very clearly isn't, that guy hit his brakes for no reason and lost control, aka. bad driving. But I will say you are a factor in how this all played out.
Re-envision how this goes if you are far right, there's much more room for everyone to pass you, and dumb dumb who causes this crash isn't compelled to pass on the right.
Just consider this lol, it's not your fault though.
So you drive in the far right lane at all times, except when passing a car and then you immediately return to the far right lane?
Basically, yeah. In some places, big trucks may be using that lane, then you can use the center lane if slower traffic exists to your right.
You can move over to let people merge and other things, but you shouldn't just cruise center lane for no reason other than you like the space. It just creates this scenario seen in OPs vid where you get passed on both sides, which is unnerving and dangerous. ,
It’s a 3 lane road. You’re allowed to utilize all 3 lanes when driving. Just because the assholes in the right and left lanes want to treat the road like it’s a racetrack, doesn’t mean the person driving in the middle lane is in the wrong.
No, idiot drivers who are in so much of a hurry that they pass people on the right in spite of standing water are what cause these scenarios, not people driving in totally normal and acceptable ways
Center lane hogging isn't acceptable even if it is normal.
Where I'm from they have those same laws and signs but it only applies to a 2 lane highway.
Now re-envision how it goes if Brakey McGee were doing the actual speed limit. You'd have to envision it- because they wouldn't have had to pass at all. Their choice of lane to pass in was also irrelevant- by your own assertions (from a reddit gif, I'll note) all three lanes were equally treacherous and it was their sudden braking that caused the accident- which was exacerbated by excessive speed. So regardless of whether OP was not supposed to be in that lane or not, that's pretty moot when people like drive like that around them- such as that black vehicle that just kind of floated in front of OP without a proper signal.
Also, the video doesn't provide enough context to know whether OP's lane choice was even improper. I will say that here in NY there's a particularly nasty section of road that people treat like the Autobahn freaquently, and despite using the two left lanes TECHNICALLY being the safer (legal) option, nearly every day there is a point where I'd LIKE to move right, but here comes Brakey McGee's inbred upstate cousin blasting up the right doing 80. There's no fucking way I'm moving in front of that since I can't be sure they're not also posting on reddit at the same time. Between the speeding, the lack of signals, the weaving, and tailgating, it gets to the point most times where the ACTUAL safest plan is to pick a lane based on your exit and hold your speed steady (near the limit).
The people in the comments blaming OP
With how much water is being tossed around, I don’t how any of the cars could see. I know my windshield wipers couldn’t keep up at 70 with that much water.
I just don't get it, yeah is a Highway but it is rainy and there is mist. What in gods name are you on to think "Yeah this is the time to go fast"
If there wasn't any fog alright, valid crashout to roast the cam driver but there is and also rain heck i wouldn't go over speed limit
Word has it the cam car is still in the middle lane.
Ive been in pouring rain where visibility was so shit, changing lanes was the worst possible plan.
This one doesn't seem like those conditions, but I just wanted to have you realize that in a sudden downpour, the decision to slow down and not change lanes might be the best.
The "lane" is a line painted on the road. The road turns to the right ahead. You have to turn a bit anyway lol no one is saying you have to change lanes like it's pacman or something, you can signal and gradually move over.
If you are unable to lane change, you shouldn't be driving. Go get better tires.
Who cares? That typically only applies to the passing lane, cause its meant for passing people in the middle lane..... and why would you want to match the speed of these idiots, its clearly pouring. Do none of you guys understand you're supposed to drive according to the conditions of the road???
Where I live the law is "keep right except to pass" .
Right as in alllllllll the way right.
That's not very common
Slower traffic keep right. Not middle. Right.
Then why was the fastest car in the right lane?
Slower traffic keep right means not in the left lane. Dumbass. If you are going as fast as is safe for conditions, middle lane is fine cause people can pass you on the left.
And if you are too impatient to wait 20 seconds, get off the fucking road.
People downvote the truth and this is why no one fucking gets anywhere on our roads, and why studies always show adding more lanes to a road doesn't reduce traffic. Try and make something idiotproof and they design a better idiot. smh at the downvotes you're getting.
Thanks for the support.
lol np tbh it's mostly hopeless. Discussions like you see here just convince me humans are mostly unfit to pilot 1ton chunks of metal at high speeds in general.
Many people prioritize their own perceived safety over an actually effective road system. I view driving as a team sport, and consider ways we might best organize vehicles ona road for maximum safety/efficiency.
It seems like many peopel are just very afraid behind the wheel, and make decisions that they think maximize their safety, but in reality create dangerous scenarios that make accidents more likely.
So driving in a flooded lane is what you consider to be the safe option? Did you not see the crash caused by driving in standing water?
Still not hydroplaning, and still not crashing. You are all fucking dumb.
You could also like.. not hydroplane or crash in the right lane.
Clearly there was water in the right lane, but ok
And there clearly also was water in the other lanes..
I mean, you generally avoid hydroplaning by avoiding the water first, slowing down second.
All of you OBVIOUSLY think he is already going too slow, so he needs to stay in the middle lane...
And you think there is no water in the other lanes? It's the speed of the other car that was the problem.
Found the guy who causes mile-long traffic jams
Found the guy who crashed cause they hydroplaned cause they didn't adjust their driving for road conditions.
"I think ericson hit us"
Left lane = passing lane
Middle lane = cruising lane
Right lane = collector lane
If you drive in the right of three lanes you will be changing lanes and speed constantly due to mergers.
Americans need to start using the proper terms for the lanes.
If there even was a standard definition for a collector lane (1) (2), the right lane of a highway is not a collector lane.
In America there can be miles between exits. There can be vast stretches of rural exits that see minimal use. Don't travel in the middle lane because you don't want to switch lanes in a mile and a half.
The right lane is also for cruising. Get up to speed on the merge ramps. Only change lanes to the left if you're going to pass. Then change back to the right.
I swear, the Church should update the Seven Virtues to include an eighth: Lane integrity.
“He’s getting passed on both sides why is he hogging the middle lane????”
Only one car passed him on the right, and it literally fucking wrecked. Are you people stupid.
That looks like 287 or the parkway in NJ.
GSP local bypass by PNC
To back you up a bit more now that I know where this is, the GSP can randomly have a good bit of water on the shoulders. Driving the speed limit down the middle lane is smart, especially when you know what bits of the GSP are the bad parts.
you can see the holmdel middletown on the sign at the end of the
I'm sure many states have a Middletown and/or Holmdel. All I know is it gave me deja vu of the daily commute I used to do and do not miss.
with exit 114 and the middle light boards jersey plates and and same signs? nah lol
You can make out the plates? You should have had a career as a sniper with your eyesight.
colors. the yellow to white and black letters on the first white dodge mini van - then a ny or a arizona passes him on the left, white nj rav4 on the left I can’t make out the grey subaru
I wear really strong contacts, awful distance but my colors and patterns is my jam
I'd rather drive in snow with clear sky's than this slop.
But how can be possibile drive on each lane with different speeds and think it's normal ?
If you're getting passed on both sides, time to slide right. But fucking signal first. We're not animals, we live in a society.
Asswipe that passed on the right was going way too fast.
No. Everyone else should be going middle lane slow or slower given the conditions.
My evidence, the hydroplane crash in the video.
In heavy rain the middle lane is usually safest because water is less likely to pool there. Cam car did exactly what they were supposed to. Everyone else should have been driving at their speed or slower
Idk I'd be afraid of hitting a rogue pool of water on the shoulder and hydroplaning. I'd probably also be in the middle lane.
What really needs to happen is these motherfuckers need to slow down
Like, exactly what happens to the car in the video!
I can't believe people think OP should've been driving more like everyone else in the video!
"DoNt ImPeDe TrAfFiC bY dRiViNg In ThE mIdDlE lAnE"
Yeah the far side isn't always the safest - AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FUCKING VIDEO
Lmao the one person who didn't nearly get shattered into a billion pieces in the video because they kept a safe distance and speed...and people are on their ass about it. Okay.
They could have easily been rear ended. Not to say they caused this, but them not being part of this crash proves nothing.
Other people driving poorly is not an excuse to drive poorly yourself. There was a hazard in the right lane and OP was doing the speed limit, which is genuinely usually too high for rain at this volume to begin with.
Keeping far right is not driving poorly, where I live it's literally the law.
There's. A hazard. In the right lane.
The law where you live doesn't account for the safety of the roads? That's...really scary.
The stock tires I had were NOT safe to drive over huge pools of water like that on the highway so I had to drive in the middle lane before I upgraded to better ones.
But why would you consider your safety and the safety of others when you might be slightly inconveniencing someone for a few seconds?!?!?!
/s
Not sure about the downvotes, this is exactly right. The middle lane and slow the fuck down...there's far too much water being kicked up, these people should be doing at least 10-15mph slower.
Indeed, even I am in the wrong going the speed limit in these conditions.
I can't believe how badly you're down voted lol.
Seems like everyone thinks driving fast in the rain is OK, despite your video literally showing the dangers of driving fast in the rain.
OP, keep doing what you're doing
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It wasn't just driving fast. It was driving fast, passing on the right over a large pool of water, braking causing them to hydroplane, and then jerking the steering wheel slightly to the left because they were panicking
Puddles are fun if you know how to drive through them lol It's best to avoid them, but you shouldn't be afraid of them, sometimes they are unavoidable, you should be prepared.
Don't brake, maintain your direction, release gas.
This person in the vid, hit their brake and turned the wheel, when the puddle ended they regained traction and because they turned the wheel left started to veer left quickly after regaining traction.
Just remain calm when driving in these conditions lol No panic, nice smooth actions. I believe in you matt
He wasn't. 2 cars passed on the left, one moves back to the middle lane, The guy passing on the rightwas going faster than everyone, including the 3rd car to pass OP to his left. The car passing on the right, speeding faster than the people using the left lane to pass, caused the accident.
I mean you might as well blame the people in the left lane for not going fast enough also.
Or you know, you could blame the guy who spun out, as you should.
Edit... And, if Mr right lane speeder, accident causer, was coming up on me like that, the absolute LAST thing I would do is move into the lane he's in.
Really tough conditions and visibility. My preference is to stay middle lane because of shit like this. Gives you options to maneuver. I was going way too fast too at like 63 white suv probably was going 80-85 before losing traction.
Wtf is wrong with the morons downvoting you. The person who passed you on the right was clearly going faster than even the people in the left lane. Those conditions obviously justified driving slower, and I worry about judgement of the clowns that are trying to criticize you in this situation.
You’re 100% right. People downvoting you are clueless on how to drive in wet conditions and probably have zero clue how much treadwear their tires have
You’re 100%. All other vehicles not exercising due care. All deserved what they got. Not a surprise
You're right. Can't fix stupid. They'll take care of themselves, just have to avoid getting taken out with them. Good job 😊
I think you're in the right. I would've also been in the middle lane. Just because you're getting passed by some dumb MFer on the right going way too fast for conditions doesn't mean you're in the wrong.
Ya I made it to work safely in horrible conditions. That’s a sorry not sorry from me
I absolutely despise middle lane drivers - but in those conditions aquaplaning happens less frequently in the middle lane due to camber in the road. So I don't blame you. That being said, personally if people were passing me both sides I would have moved over mainly because I would rather slow down further and take my chances with aquaplaning than have aggressive drivers passing on both sides haha.
Someone could have been going slow in the left lane. I think OP said they were doing the speed limit in which case, they aren't doing anything wrong by keeping their lane in shitty conditions.
Keep right motherfuckers.
How about drive the speed limit or under in inclement weather first?? Fuck the lanes
Shocking lack of ANY road sense relating to the extremely hazardous road environment.
Keep right? Like the car that kept right, hydroplaned, and crashed? Dumbass.
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Except he wasn't. No one was behind him, and you're just looking for an excuse to tell OP they are wrong.
Also... being frustrated doesn't make the other party wrong nor does it absolve someone from being an idiot.
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1) The right lane wasn't safe to drive on because of the pool of water.
2) Passing lane was open so the driver of the white SUV should have drove on that lane to pass instead of the right lane.
3) OP stayed at the speed limit with a far enough distance to avoid the accident caused by the white SUV and then slowly moved all the way to shoulder (this is defensive driving).
Every car in this video was behind OP at some point except for the van, who was probably somewhere behind OP before the start of the clip.
Correlation doesn’t = causation, everyone else was attempting to speed in unsafe conditions. The OP doesn’t have control over what the other drivers are doing and reading people telling them to roll the dice on hydroplaning themselves like that’s the obvious choice, is like being called weird because you’re the only one not huffing spray paint in art class
Never said it did. I’m just pointing out the fact that every car in the video starts out somewhere behind OP.
Nothing else you said has anything to do with my comment.
They’re on a highway… there’s cars everywhere. Correlation =\= causation so the fact that the cars start behind OP isn’t really relevant, especially when the accident occurs several car lengths ahead of OP when the white car hydroplaned on their own because they were speeding and passing in the right instead of waiting to pass on the left like the other two cars did. I can also see that you aren’t a big fan of metaphors
Idk why you’re going on about all that.
I just responded to:
Which was incorrect. Except for the van, we can see that every other car in the video starts somewhere behind OP.
That’s it. That’s all I said. You’re going on about other things, straw-manning the absolute fuck out of my comments, trying to pin all kinds of meaning to them that just isn’t there.
No one was behind the cam car? Did we watch the same thing?
Look through the thread to find the link showing the rear camera before you talk, little buddy.
You are wrong. Concensus says you are wrong. Common sense says you are wrong. Traffic engineers say you are wrong. The more aggressively you choose to continue being wrong, the dumber you look to everyone here. You are fooling anyone.
“you are fooling anyone” says it all
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You sure about that champ?
Everyone was an idiot in this video except OP.
Just my $.02, but if you are going that much slower than the flow of traffic, you should probably be in the right lane.
your 2 cents is dog shit
you just watched the car passing him in the right lane hydroplane on standing water
“hurrr op should get in the lane because people are speeding past him” as said people hydroplane and crash
Dude was also going ~15mph faster than the OP and immediately hit the brakes instead of riding it out. He was going way too fast for conditions. Totally that persons fault for wrecking.
Also, being the slower person on the road, the OP is supposed to be in the right hand lane and go at a speed within the speed limit and safely according to conditions. At least, here in the US. Read the rules, boomer.
he was going 65 on a 65 doofus, driving safely
y’all just assuming and it makes you look stupid
You do realize that a lot of trucking companies say to ride the middle if on a 3 lane road like this because statistically it's the safest lane on a multi lane highway? Its still a "slower lane". OP is fine. Even in the US.
Genuine question, do you not have overtake/undertake laws in your country? The right lane shouldn't be undertaking you anyway, right? By law they have to reduce their speed to match yours or they're breaking the law, technically?
At least that's how it technically works in the UK. Not that many adhere to it...
In the the USA we're all about states rights
Hard to say if this is legal or not. Every state is different.
I’m not condoning anything in this video, but way to get passed on the right.
Not gonna apologize for driving the speed limit in pouring rain. I was nearing my exit and preparing to merge right when someone flew past me at 85 mph and totaled their vehicle. I’ll do better next time :(
You were fine. Thats considered a travel lane. Trucking companies by policy have stated they prefer their drivers to stay in those lanes due to them being statistically safer until obviously their exit.
Washington state on I-5 this is the norm.
imagine speeding in the rain and low visibility
Genuine question. Is it acceptable to cruise in the middle lane there or is it not the done thing but people do it anyway?
Seems the lanes on American roads don't have any "rules" or order.
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Getting overtaken on both sides means you're driving like a knob and slowing all traffic down
lol.
"Hey OP, you suck at driving. You should be more like those vehicles that wrecked. At least they were going fast!"
Very weird take.
They were absolutely in the right to be in the middle lane, and to be driving at the speed they were, given the conditions.
What the fuck? The guy passing on the right just straight up loses control because he's going too fast for conditions... It literally has nothing to do with the person in the center lane.
Yeah maybe he should just go 80 mph in shitty weather conditions like everyone else. Tbh I avoid the right lane in weather like that because that's where any standing water would be. I don't really feel like hydroplaning into a guard rail
You should probably talk to your local government about these concerns then. Staying in the middle lane while moving slower than the rest of traffic turns you into a hazard. You arent smart, you're selfish.
"It's so simple, just tell the government to fix all the roads!"
Thank you for your wonderful suggestion. In the meantime, I'm going to protect myself by driving in the middle lanes during rainy conditions with limited visibility :)
OP did exactly what I would've done, and guess what? He avoided a terrible accident caused by people driving way too fast for conditions! We shouldn't even be comparing OP's driving to everyone else because everyone else was in the wrong. OP was the smartest driver out of everyone. I do agree with you regarding normal driving conditions though, which is not what we're discussing
Really? So staying in the middle lane is more "selfish" than hydroplaning and taking out like 3 other drivers? Fucking knobs.
If there were 11 lanes and you are in the middle going to speed limit on a highway, youre going to get passed by from cars in the other 10 lanes
So many things wrong in this video. Driving too fast for conditions, not moving over after they pass, camera car driving in the middle lane like Miss Daisy is in the back seat. Why did the white car slam on the brakes and veer hard right? It didn't look like anyone was in front of them but it's tough to tell with the mist
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Hydroplaned due to torrential rain. There’s a slight curve before the off-ramp she lost traction and didn’t ride it out. Tried to correct by breaking lost control.
Getting passed on the right and still won't move over. Sheesh
Ok but why tf you are in the middle of the road?
Because water pooling by the shoulder can cause you to hydroplane and crash, EXACTLY LIKE THE CAR IN THE VIDEO DOES.......
MOVE OVER. If you’re ever being passed on your right that’s a sign that YOU are disturbing any attempt at a predictable flow of traffic.
Imagine saying that when the people overtaking on the left are barely doing so and the one single car overtaking on the right was clearly driving so recklessly that they immediately crashed on their own accord...
They crashed because they hydroplaned on water pooling by the shoulder. Exactly like the person driving was avoiding...
I’m just gonna shut all you idiots up now.
Look at the rear camera NO ONE is behind me.
She came into the right lane from about a mile back and sped through the right lane passing from the RIGHT.
I am driving the legal speed limit of the GSP.
rules of the road
I'm with you on this one, I think...there's no shame in being in the middle lane...especially when the road is this wet and you're looking to avoid puddles. In fact, it seems a little pedantic to try and squabble about that detail.
I often cruise the middle lane so I won't have to constantly stop for people turning or merging. Of course I move into the left lane when I'm passing people, but I primarilily like staying in the middle lane until my exit pops up and I have to move over.
Maybe someday, in our upcoming utopia, people will finally start realizing they shouldn't camp the fast lane. Someday.
In the meantime, trying to get people to stay to the far-right lane seems like a silly endeavor...especially when the middle lane is likely the safest option in this kind of situation.
I don't see any standing water in the right lane.
imo the driver with the dashcam here shouldn't be center lane cruising. It does not appear there is a merge nearby, although I don't know this road.
The guy passing on the right is an idiot, but if you are driving slower than all the traffic around you, move to the far right cmon. This makes it so much safer for everyone to pass you.
Such a trash take.