It literally is. Republican voters are violent grown children, and insisting they belong at the discussion table, let alone being in charge is nothing short of suicidal.
yeah- how do you have an economic policy discussion regarding central bank interest rates and trade tariffs when they're totally fine with literal children getting machine gunned to death in their elementary school?
No but I have unironically seen people on this website argue that these kinds of statistics are "debunked" because they're from "left wing sources"
And then turn around and claim there's a "militant leftist faction" that we need to deal with.
Kirk got killed and the right was screaming over and over, 24/7, that some random twitter account celebrating his death represented the viewpoint of every leftist in America. And they were still screaming that while the president was declaring every liberal his enemy. A left-leaning journalist got fired so saying "maybe Kirk fucked around and found out?" Meanwhile a fox news host suggested we just euthanize the homeless on national television and his cohosts didn't bat an eye.
The Orlando Pulse Nightclub Shooting. One person killed 49 people specifically because it was a gay nightclub, and is the majority - if not the entirety - of the Islamic extremist related deaths that year. 2016 was the second worst mass shooting year ever recorded in the US, and this shooting by one person made up more than half the deaths from all mass shootings that year.
Obviously the nightclub closed as it was too hard to return for most people. Mosques in the Orlando area came out to support LGBT+ groups by holding secular and interfaith memorials for the deceased. The city attempted to purchase the nightclub to turn it into a memorial, but the owner kept it and tried to turn the site into a museum, and later sold the partially complete museum to the city to open in a couple years and is actively taking donations. I'm not sure when or if it'll be opened, but hopefully it does.
That was a tough year for a lot of us. Locals to the area, LGBT+ people across the country scared to go to LGBT+ spaces, and Mosques and Islamic people across the country who (obviously) condemned the act despite being blamed for it by a large part of the public. The latter led to death threats and physical attacks on mosques and people wearing religious garments (including Sikh for some reason)
Truth. I've worked for a Sikh for the last 8 years, and for the 4 before that I worked for another Indian guy. The amount of times I've heard them both referred to as "Al-Queda" is fucking disgusting.... And I live in fucking California. I can't imagine the bullshit those dudes go through in red states.
Yup. The "for some reason" was my southern sugarcoating talking, because I don't understand what makes someone so stupid that they'd attack anyone for something that is not their fault... or even someone of an entirely different cultural, ethnic, and religious group because they're too dumb and racist to understand the difference.
So true. And of the religious, I've found Sikhs to be the most humble and engaging people. Far better to deal with than just about any Christian I have to deal with, and WAY better food than most white people.
You forget that when Moses descended from the Appalachian mountains with the Ten Commandments that one of them was, “Thou shall be able to be strapped to the teeth, including grenade launchers and throwing stars.”
Redhat: "But we need the guns to prevent a corrupt government taking away our rights and going around arresting people without cause or warrants! Its for our protection! Did you know Biden tried to send the national guard to help FEMA find survivors. Thats TYRANNY!!!!"
Behind him are masked men jumping out of unmarked civilian cars grabbing brown people walking home with their children, dragging them on the floor and handcuffing them as their child screams and cries in terror.
I went to a gun range in the US and did sun some sport shooting.
One of the employees was like 'i heard you can't get a gun without a license in the UK!' It was a fun discussion. I was confused as to why you could get a gun without any registration required and they were confused as to why I seemed so ok to live somewhere where getting firearms was so difficult.
This is the thing that get me though, its not even difficult, unless you're either mentally unstable or a criminal its pretty easy to get a gun. To get a driving licence you need like 24 lessons or something these days, and to pass a theory, and practical test. Its probably easier to get a gun licence than get a driving licence.
In the UK, it’s moderately difficult to get a gun license, you have to pass police checks or interviews, you have to have a reason - ie be a member of a shooting club or farm owner/worker, processing the license takes months, get secure storage and the fee is quite high. You’d probably get a driving licence a lot quicker than a gun license.
Here in Sweden the guy had to use a sword. 4 dead, including the little shitstain neonazi.
This is to my knowledge the only event like this here, and as always, they now have better knowledge of how to deal with such events. He probably was that successful due to the novelty of it. But it's 100% sure he would have killed and injured a LOT more with a gun.
They also use it as a wedge issue and lie about what the Democrats would even do, which is certainly not take away all guns by any means. Some limits, but enough to still kill lots of people, for fucks sake
I get so sick of this stupid thinking. No one will ever be able to take your guns away. I do wish that some training and proof of the ability to own the damned gun would happen.
Because the people getting shot aren't the kids of people who can actually make a difference so they don't care. As long as its everyone elses children, they could not possibly care less.
Yeah, talk about bad timing. I was thinking about this talking point after hearing about the shooting and it really is the exception that proves the point so I think it’s still valid. There was a multiple fatality shooting last night in Rhode Island as well.
Edit. Here we go, updated mass shootings as of this morning
( I hope that both, I've got the quote right, and that if so, people get the reference)
I'm getting downvoted so I'll at least give the explanation;
John Oliver did an interview with a Republican a while back regarding America's gun laws. This, from memory, was that Republican's response when Australia's gun laws were brought up; "Whoop-dee do."
Either vote them out and hope they actually leave power or get armed and remove them and hope the military is on our side. Otherwise we're stuck with fascism.
Columbine was the catalyst that set this in motion. They should’ve destroyed those 2 and talked about how pathetic and disgusting they were. Instead they glorified them and made them into these infamous figures. Countless documentaries and movie adaptations or reference.
So then every pos loser saw how they could become famous or relevant.
Yup studies show how the media reports public mass shooting encourages copy cats and surges of them occur after a 1st is reported. Its directly links to how the media irresponsibly reports these things.
Funny how the one developed nation that has tougher laws on kids chocolate with toys in it than they do for guns is the one nation this happens daily in.
Don't forget wildly different laws that vary state to state regulating who can purchase firearms and how easily they can be purchased. I was under the impression that it was pretty common to do it the way my state does it, turns out about half of states have less restrictions, with some having almost none at all. It should come as no surprise that California with the toughest requirements is the lowest per capita gun related deaths. It should also come as no surprise that Mississippi is the highest per capita gun related deaths and it is ranked in the bottom in firearm regulations, with only 6 states (somehow) having even fewer restrictions.
Its almost, and permit me a little lattitude here, almost as if this whole states rights thing is kind of a farce and that there should be national regulations. Along the lines of getting a CDL to drive truck as they are considered a deadly weapon.
California with the toughest requirements is the lowest per capita gun related deaths. It should also come as no surprise that Mississippi is the highest
California also has the best economy of any state, with 26 times the raw GDP and double the per capita GDP of Mississippi. California's per capita GDP is the 4th highest of the 50 states, while Mississippi has the lowest. Mississippi is also in the bottom 10 for education.
this whole states rights thing is kind of a farce
1000% agreed on that. States should have no right whatsoever to make any law with respect to constitutionally protected individual freedoms. The fact that the Constitution's application varies by state is absolutely asinine.
Along the lines of getting a CDL
Thing about a CDL (or use of any vehicle): I can go buy a tractor/trailer, or any other vehicle I want, and give the keys to a small child and it's perfectly legal, provided I don't allow them to operate it on public roads.
IMO, it's actually a good analogy for how gun ownership should be: You're free to own one and use it at privately owned ranges, but you need a license (given upon passing a federally standardized training class) to carry it in public. And said license should be valid across the US.
I don't disagree, and I welcome discussion on the matter, but a few things to consider:
1 - The statistics and contributing factors are more complicated than that. Let's not be like the MAGAts.
2 - Several gun control measures were signed into law leading up to 1994. Even is Clinton gets credit for signing it, let's not forget that Reagan, Bush Sr. And co. laid the groundwork. I'm not saying that to praise them by any means, just good to know next time someone says that Republicans are "pro-gun" (whatever that means).
3 - I would urge people to look into the actual implementation of the 1994 AWB. I would argue it went after cosmetic features, but did very little to change the actual capability of available arms. Any future gun control measures should be smarter, and more comprehensive.
4 - America is currently under the thumb of fascists, or wannabes at any rate. Do you really want to give up what little (theoretical) power you have left? Even if you are, you want to give the persecuted even less ability to defend themselves?
Number 3…you could still get AR-15’s and high cap magazines with no issues. I know because I bought both while the crime bill was in effect.
Edit to mention I did so legally.
Assault weapons and high capacity magazines that were manfactured prior to the ban being enacted were not only legal to own, but they could be sold/traded. The ban only impacted the sale of NEW items.
It's also important to point out that a vast, vast majority of all mass shootings take place with hand guns, not rifles (of any kind, including assault weapons). There have been over 460 mass shootings in 2025 in the United States. Most of them (and most of the deaths) have been the result of handguns, not rifles.
Any future gun control measures should be smarter, and more comprehensive.
Assault weapons bans are basically "scary looking guns" bans because they're not functionally different from plenty of common traditional looking guns. The main difference is that they look menacing, and so any ban that was going to target them would necessarily have to go after the features that made them look menacing. So all post-ban weapons had to do to comply was to change some features (like going from a pistol grip stock to a traditional looking thumbhole stock, or sawing off the bayonette lug) to make the gun look different.
A lot of political capital was used to pass a stupid law that did nothing.
Native Americans fought for centuries before being rounded up and put on reservations, are you saying they would've held on longer if they were unarmed? lmao
It's been completely and utterly true for all of history, it's why defeated peoples are disarmed first thing.
Exactly. Basically said the same thing above and got downvoted into oblivion. Also, there was a mass shooting that JUST took place in Sydney that killed more people than at Brown University
A heavily armed civilian population is inherently dangerous no matter what protections you put in place. All the government has to do is brainwash the masses with propaganda, form a cult around a central figure, and use those armed citizens as an extension of their oppresive force and intimidation tactics unbound by military regulation and oversight.
Of course, there's no way that could happen, right?
The thing is statistically speaking they are far more likely to accidentally use that weaponry on themselves. You forget, the majority of Americans are very, VERY stupid.
What clinton doesn't understand: US citizens don't care about kids. They made a self-proclaimed child rapist their president TWICE. They would rather see their kids die a horrible death than change gun laws. And that is just the sad reality!
The NRA needs to go. The fact we have a bunch of gun manufacturers masquerading as a rights group is beyond sick. Enough of this bullshit! Vote out anyone taking money from these clowns!
Notice how the NRA has been dead silent ever since Trump took over. They beat that drum of “we need all the guns we can get our hands on in case of government tyranny” yet when tyranny is being implemented and getting worse by the day, crickets. Their silence is deafening and they’re really telling on themselves by not speaking out against it.
They were never actually against tyranny. They were just against the left. Especially while Obama was in office.
Only because it's bad business to alienate a customer base. There's no social consciousness or actual empathy in their stance. They want everyone buying guns, it's as simple as that. Banning groups from being able to buy and own firearms means fewer houses and yachts for LaPierre. Or whatever corrupt shill is running things these days...
Is that all? Trump has been in office for almost a year, and that’s the best they can do? Absolutely pathetic.
Trump has been tyrannical since day one and shows no signs of stopping. That’s good they sided with trans folks, but if that’s the best they can do then it’s literally deck chairs off the titanic. They need to vehemently denounce and distance themselves from this administration if they want to be taken seriously and maintain this reputation of a gun rights and advocacy group.
But they won’t, because that’s not their goal. They’re a slush fund and pro republican gun lobby, so they’re falling in line just like the other groups that have sucked up to Trump.
No, I promise we just need one more lane, then traffic is solved. No, I promise, one more tax cut and the rich will funnel that money down to the workers. No, I promise, more guns will fix the problem, it will end Mass Shooting...
Don’t disagree that there’s way too many guns and it’s way too easy to get them, but this also overlooks extreme lack of mental health care in this country. Many of these people probably wouldn’t use guns for violence and mass shootings if they had access to effective mental health care. The state of the economy and day to day stress is radically different than it used to be too. Wages are down with no end in sight. This absolutely contributes to the hopeless and helpless feelings people have, and they have much less to lose if they commit violent crimes.
The amount and nature of propaganda has changed dramatically as well since the Clinton and Bush eras. Fox News has radicalized an entire generation to view the other side as literal demons or enemy combatants, and just fans those flames constantly. Social media turns that up even more, especially with the bots, trolls, and foreign powers like Russia meddling around trying to exacerbate it.
I don’t remember things being so contentious and violent while I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s. People could still have political discussions without getting violent or wishing harm on their fellow Americans. But over the last 15 years, that has changed dramatically.
The UK is currently going through a mental health crisis. We have record number of economically inactive people, largely from mental health issues. Our NHS is crumbling and doesn’t have the resources to care for them.
But, we don’t have mass shootings cause we don’t have guns.
Removing guns reduces death stats. No matter of mental state or not. It’s a simple mathematical logic that every country understands except the US.
Potential shooters who get none or very low access to guns, his chances are reduced to commit his crimes. Sure he can use other means like knives. But would not be able to kill as many people as someone spraying around with an AR 15.
Guns aren't solely to blame because the root causes of most mass shooters aren't inherently related to guns. The motives for many mass shooters are often related to bullying or some personal issues.
Shitty healthcare system that doesn't do enough for those with mental health issues.
Proliferation of social media has allowed bullying to become easier.
Schools not cracking down on bullying partially because some parents are the classic "my kid would never do that" all while exerting pressure and making threats(aka bullying) towards the school to not take action. They need to start doing three strike system for those accused of bullying to where they get increasing punishments for being reported for bullying.
Not securing firearms in a safe or somewhere out of the reach of those who are underage. I mean at the very least taking the firing pin out if you're not going to use it long term is the best option as the gun is no better than a paper weight at that point.
America likes to think that it's special and that what works in the rest of the world couldn't work in America because of xyz, but it's just a self comforting notion to avoid looking reality in the face.
Get rid of guns in your population = more people alive, less people with life changing injuries, less crime.
It's scientifically proven but Americans are whiny little bitches who can't stand the idea of having ANYTHING taken away from them for the greater good.
"Guns don't kill, people do" quote is used a lot by gun nuts. Bill Clinton proved that if you keep those people from getting their hands on assault rifles that there are fewer people killed by these people using guns to kill.
Side note, lock Bill up for his ties to Epstein. Just because he kept a bunch of people from being murdered by assault rifles doesn't give him a pass for raping children, and I voted for him twice.
Its a weird mindset the right and especially the far right have.Facts and casualties do not matter.They are living in a somewhat warped sense of reality in spite of everything to the contrary.
The republicans don’t care about mass shootings, period. Remember “Joe the Plumber” that McCain trotted out at his rallies? He summed up it up for them with his quote of “your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights”. It’s a gun cult, a fetish, and some crazy ass tough guy role playing.
The U.S is a place that makes people miserable, makes people afraid, and makes people lose hope for their future.
The U.S is a place where people fetishize hurting others.
Having easy access to guns facilitates people's murder fetish, but the guns are not the problem, the people is that the culture is sick, the economy is sick, people can't afford a decent life despite working full-time and more, the corporate owned media shoves fear-based messaging down our throats non-stop, we've got the Republican party who has spent decades convincing Americans that most other Americans are their enemies and that compromise is immoral.
The U.S is a deeply sick country. Get rid of every gun, and it's still a deeply sick country.
We are also now a fascist state with increasing authoritarianism, with government goons literally abducting people, abducting citizens, abducting women and children, in broad daylight, at gun point.
Now is not the time to limit access to guns, unless you want the only people with guns to be people like ICE.
I think it’s a two fold issue.
We need stricter gun laws, that’s undeniable.
We also need to actually fucking try to have good mental health services.
The best approach is honestly just to have both going at once, and hell the latter can work into the former really neatly.
But like as much as this line is used in bad faith. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The most common thread among school shooters is mental instability. You don’t see perfectly stable people going and shooting up a school or mall, it’s people who are in a really shit place and just left to be there. It’s teens with access to forums of people who just fill their minds with hate and then encourage them to harm people. It’s isolation, feeling like you are surrounded by people who hate you and yet nobody, even people who you are told all your life should help you, won’t.
Blaming solely guns is an easy way to dodge the true issue here. If we banned every single gun tomorrow it wouldn’t stop the mental health crisis our country has, it would just make it easier to ignore.
If we want to truly curb these tragedies we need to tighten gun laws AND put serious effort into helping the people who mentally need it.
Strict gun laws in one state don't really mean much when those same strict laws aren't in every state. Just like how there are tons of bars and liquor stores all up and down the borders of the "dry state", Utah...
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They just look at this and think they’re winning, like it’s a party measurement or something.
Is this the red wave they talk about?
It literally is. Republican voters are violent grown children, and insisting they belong at the discussion table, let alone being in charge is nothing short of suicidal.
yeah- how do you have an economic policy discussion regarding central bank interest rates and trade tariffs when they're totally fine with literal children getting machine gunned to death in their elementary school?
Or they look at it and think, "that's from the liberal leftist Washington Post fake news. Show me data from a reliable source like FOX or Newsmax."
No but I have unironically seen people on this website argue that these kinds of statistics are "debunked" because they're from "left wing sources"
And then turn around and claim there's a "militant leftist faction" that we need to deal with.
Kirk got killed and the right was screaming over and over, 24/7, that some random twitter account celebrating his death represented the viewpoint of every leftist in America. And they were still screaming that while the president was declaring every liberal his enemy. A left-leaning journalist got fired so saying "maybe Kirk fucked around and found out?" Meanwhile a fox news host suggested we just euthanize the homeless on national television and his cohosts didn't bat an eye.
tf happened in 2016?
The Orlando Pulse Nightclub Shooting. One person killed 49 people specifically because it was a gay nightclub, and is the majority - if not the entirety - of the Islamic extremist related deaths that year. 2016 was the second worst mass shooting year ever recorded in the US, and this shooting by one person made up more than half the deaths from all mass shootings that year.
Obviously the nightclub closed as it was too hard to return for most people. Mosques in the Orlando area came out to support LGBT+ groups by holding secular and interfaith memorials for the deceased. The city attempted to purchase the nightclub to turn it into a memorial, but the owner kept it and tried to turn the site into a museum, and later sold the partially complete museum to the city to open in a couple years and is actively taking donations. I'm not sure when or if it'll be opened, but hopefully it does.
That was a tough year for a lot of us. Locals to the area, LGBT+ people across the country scared to go to LGBT+ spaces, and Mosques and Islamic people across the country who (obviously) condemned the act despite being blamed for it by a large part of the public. The latter led to death threats and physical attacks on mosques and people wearing religious garments (including Sikh for some reason)
Because the people that do shit like that are really, really stupid. "Brown guy in a weird head covering? Must be Muslim, I should attack him."
Truth. I've worked for a Sikh for the last 8 years, and for the 4 before that I worked for another Indian guy. The amount of times I've heard them both referred to as "Al-Queda" is fucking disgusting.... And I live in fucking California. I can't imagine the bullshit those dudes go through in red states.
Yup. The "for some reason" was my southern sugarcoating talking, because I don't understand what makes someone so stupid that they'd attack anyone for something that is not their fault... or even someone of an entirely different cultural, ethnic, and religious group because they're too dumb and racist to understand the difference.
This happened a ton after 9/11 as well.
So true. And of the religious, I've found Sikhs to be the most humble and engaging people. Far better to deal with than just about any Christian I have to deal with, and WAY better food than most white people.
pulse
Right wing extremism (red) vs Right wing extremism (orange)
Today in Australia a Muslim man took a gun away from a mass shooter that was shooting at a crowd of Jewish people
It's the guns
Nice chart and all, but what about the centrist extremist? Ya know, someone really zealous about both sides having good points.
You forget that when Moses descended from the Appalachian mountains with the Ten Commandments that one of them was, “Thou shall be able to be strapped to the teeth, including grenade launchers and throwing stars.”
I can’t get over how absolutely gorgeous she is.
And on the third day, God created the bolt action Remington rifle.
Amen.
Fyi, mean girls is back on Netflix, fam
.... "so that man could fight the dinosaurs... and the homosexuals"
"Aaaaaa-men."
Wait, not an Armalite Rifle?
No, those are for the children
Amen and pass the ammo.
*praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
(songworm deployed)
Ah the 30 cal Gospel.
No that was Sunday, the third day was the Red Rider BB Gun! For the kids!
Redhat: "But we need the guns to prevent a corrupt government taking away our rights and going around arresting people without cause or warrants! Its for our protection! Did you know Biden tried to send the national guard to help FEMA find survivors. Thats TYRANNY!!!!"
Behind him are masked men jumping out of unmarked civilian cars grabbing brown people walking home with their children, dragging them on the floor and handcuffing them as their child screams and cries in terror.
Redhat: "Oh that..... thats fine. "
Ugh, that's the Old Testament. I'm a follower of the prophet colt and his 45 apostles.
Or did they find Commandments 11-15 at the bottom of a magical hat written on gold plate?
Especially at Arby's... evidently. 🤷
Shalt*
We had a school shooting in the UK back in 1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre . We made gun ownership much, much harder. We have not had a school shooting since
Which is what makes HOT FUZZ so much more hilarious
What do you mean "This one"?
No I’ve never fired my gun into the air and shouted “ARRRGH!”
https://imgur.com/gallery/collection-of-hot-fuzz-shame-Cb9X53i
To be fair, that was an over the top take on what Brits perceive the US to be.
Not that over-the-top considering there is a rural town in Colorado that requires all of its citizens to own a firearm.
It is scary to the world that the Americans in the cities think that rural America isn't like that.
I like the part where Scotty is leaping over all the yard fences. I laugh at that part...a lot. 😆
I went to a gun range in the US and did sun some sport shooting.
One of the employees was like 'i heard you can't get a gun without a license in the UK!' It was a fun discussion. I was confused as to why you could get a gun without any registration required and they were confused as to why I seemed so ok to live somewhere where getting firearms was so difficult.
This is the thing that get me though, its not even difficult, unless you're either mentally unstable or a criminal its pretty easy to get a gun. To get a driving licence you need like 24 lessons or something these days, and to pass a theory, and practical test. Its probably easier to get a gun licence than get a driving licence.
In the UK, it’s moderately difficult to get a gun license, you have to pass police checks or interviews, you have to have a reason - ie be a member of a shooting club or farm owner/worker, processing the license takes months, get secure storage and the fee is quite high. You’d probably get a driving licence a lot quicker than a gun license.
In the US you don’t need a license to own a gun.
Don’t need to be mentally sound or secure it either.
Here in Sweden the guy had to use a sword. 4 dead, including the little shitstain neonazi.
This is to my knowledge the only event like this here, and as always, they now have better knowledge of how to deal with such events. He probably was that successful due to the novelty of it. But it's 100% sure he would have killed and injured a LOT more with a gun.
No shit.
Sincerely
Australia
Only took, what? One mass shooting for Austalians to take concrete action?
Meanwhile Americans can't seem to figure out what the fucking problem is.
Oh, they know. Republicans are just capitalist shills who profit from mass murder.
They also use it as a wedge issue and lie about what the Democrats would even do, which is certainly not take away all guns by any means. Some limits, but enough to still kill lots of people, for fucks sake
I get so sick of this stupid thinking. No one will ever be able to take your guns away. I do wish that some training and proof of the ability to own the damned gun would happen.
How else are we supposed to create companies to sell bulletproof backpacks? You hate capitalism or something!?
Oh they absolutely know the issue, they're just big hypocrites and have a big lack of empathy in general.
Because the people getting shot aren't the kids of people who can actually make a difference so they don't care. As long as its everyone elses children, they could not possibly care less.
1000% this, especially if those kids are of a particular minority group they’ve been told by their media to despise.
Empathy is a sin, after all. /s
The most entitled humans on earth. Money overrides logic in Merica.
*Selfishness
We're alllllmost there. 🤏
(Actually, no we're not. 🫸 🫷)
They know, they just don’t want to give up their precious penis enhancing guns. It’s ridiculous.
Probably not the example we need to use at the moment…
So sad about that incident in Bondi..
Yeah, talk about bad timing. I was thinking about this talking point after hearing about the shooting and it really is the exception that proves the point so I think it’s still valid. There was a multiple fatality shooting last night in Rhode Island as well.
Edit. Here we go, updated mass shootings as of this morning
Whoop-dee do.
( I hope that both, I've got the quote right, and that if so, people get the reference)
I'm getting downvoted so I'll at least give the explanation;
John Oliver did an interview with a Republican a while back regarding America's gun laws. This, from memory, was that Republican's response when Australia's gun laws were brought up; "Whoop-dee do."
Australia just had a mass shooting in Sydney. Although I actually trust your government to make changes.
This aged poorly
But what are we supposed to do if our country gets taken over by fascists?
i don't know america, what are you supposed to do when your country gets taken over by fascists?
Either vote them out and hope they actually leave power or get armed and remove them and hope the military is on our side. Otherwise we're stuck with fascism.
There's not a ton of options
You forgot to add the obligatory “MURICA!”. That way they know you’re serious.
Buy more guns, apparently.
We have guns - it already has been
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Not 100% mind you...
It’s so hard to tell these days
Oh 100%!
Revolution is the way to go. They can only be removed by forced as history in Europe has shown.
Yeah that would suck
Can’t answer the question as phrased. You forgot to say what color the “fascists” are and whether they hate the same people I do.
We'll find out next November.
If ?
It’s the guns supposedly to defend against government tyranny, but most of those folks are cheering it on now.
It’s because it’s not happening to THEM currently. Best believe when it does the crocodile tears will be flowing.
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Guns are cultural in America. Statistics don't matter because muh freedom.
Well, you see, what happens if an authoritarian government takes over and starts to destroy our country from the inside out???
Bet you'd feel real silly when you see just how quick we are to jump to action to prevent such a thing from happening.
Haha.
Ha...
sigh
Columbine was the catalyst that set this in motion. They should’ve destroyed those 2 and talked about how pathetic and disgusting they were. Instead they glorified them and made them into these infamous figures. Countless documentaries and movie adaptations or reference.
So then every pos loser saw how they could become famous or relevant.
Yup studies show how the media reports public mass shooting encourages copy cats and surges of them occur after a 1st is reported. Its directly links to how the media irresponsibly reports these things.
Funny how the one developed nation that has tougher laws on kids chocolate with toys in it than they do for guns is the one nation this happens daily in.
Funny how it's the one developed nation without a universal healthcare system, reasonable access to education, or reasonable social safety nets.
Don't forget wildly different laws that vary state to state regulating who can purchase firearms and how easily they can be purchased. I was under the impression that it was pretty common to do it the way my state does it, turns out about half of states have less restrictions, with some having almost none at all. It should come as no surprise that California with the toughest requirements is the lowest per capita gun related deaths. It should also come as no surprise that Mississippi is the highest per capita gun related deaths and it is ranked in the bottom in firearm regulations, with only 6 states (somehow) having even fewer restrictions.
Its almost, and permit me a little lattitude here, almost as if this whole states rights thing is kind of a farce and that there should be national regulations. Along the lines of getting a CDL to drive truck as they are considered a deadly weapon.
California also has the best economy of any state, with 26 times the raw GDP and double the per capita GDP of Mississippi. California's per capita GDP is the 4th highest of the 50 states, while Mississippi has the lowest. Mississippi is also in the bottom 10 for education.
1000% agreed on that. States should have no right whatsoever to make any law with respect to constitutionally protected individual freedoms. The fact that the Constitution's application varies by state is absolutely asinine.
Thing about a CDL (or use of any vehicle): I can go buy a tractor/trailer, or any other vehicle I want, and give the keys to a small child and it's perfectly legal, provided I don't allow them to operate it on public roads.
IMO, it's actually a good analogy for how gun ownership should be: You're free to own one and use it at privately owned ranges, but you need a license (given upon passing a federally standardized training class) to carry it in public. And said license should be valid across the US.
We've just had a horrific shooting in Australia today. 10 dead (including 1 of the 2 shooters), and 12 injured.
The worst since a firearm crackdown after the Port Arthur massacre - 29 years ago.
I’ve seen some people try to use that to claim that gun control doesn’t work, when it very clearly shows the exact opposite.
I don't disagree, and I welcome discussion on the matter, but a few things to consider:
1 - The statistics and contributing factors are more complicated than that. Let's not be like the MAGAts.
2 - Several gun control measures were signed into law leading up to 1994. Even is Clinton gets credit for signing it, let's not forget that Reagan, Bush Sr. And co. laid the groundwork. I'm not saying that to praise them by any means, just good to know next time someone says that Republicans are "pro-gun" (whatever that means).
3 - I would urge people to look into the actual implementation of the 1994 AWB. I would argue it went after cosmetic features, but did very little to change the actual capability of available arms. Any future gun control measures should be smarter, and more comprehensive.
4 - America is currently under the thumb of fascists, or wannabes at any rate. Do you really want to give up what little (theoretical) power you have left? Even if you are, you want to give the persecuted even less ability to defend themselves?
Number 3…you could still get AR-15’s and high cap magazines with no issues. I know because I bought both while the crime bill was in effect. Edit to mention I did so legally.
Assault weapons and high capacity magazines that were manfactured prior to the ban being enacted were not only legal to own, but they could be sold/traded. The ban only impacted the sale of NEW items.
It's also important to point out that a vast, vast majority of all mass shootings take place with hand guns, not rifles (of any kind, including assault weapons). There have been over 460 mass shootings in 2025 in the United States. Most of them (and most of the deaths) have been the result of handguns, not rifles.
Assault weapons bans are basically "scary looking guns" bans because they're not functionally different from plenty of common traditional looking guns. The main difference is that they look menacing, and so any ban that was going to target them would necessarily have to go after the features that made them look menacing. So all post-ban weapons had to do to comply was to change some features (like going from a pistol grip stock to a traditional looking thumbhole stock, or sawing off the bayonette lug) to make the gun look different.
A lot of political capital was used to pass a stupid law that did nothing.
An armed minority is harder to oppress
Has never been true in history.
Just ask the Native Americans.
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There's a reason they took the guns before the Wounded Knee Massacre, Armed Minorities are harder to oppress, its a fact.
Native Americans fought for centuries before being rounded up and put on reservations, are you saying they would've held on longer if they were unarmed? lmao
It's been completely and utterly true for all of history, it's why defeated peoples are disarmed first thing.
Exactly. Basically said the same thing above and got downvoted into oblivion. Also, there was a mass shooting that JUST took place in Sydney that killed more people than at Brown University
I have no idea where OPs figures come from
No it's because we didn't arm teachers.
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Republicans have always wanted us DEAD.
Plus its not the guns... Its the lack of hope.
People that are happy and have meaning to their lives dont shoot up schools.
School shootings started in america after Reagan ruined the country for the common man. Young people lost hope.
Its the fucking guns.
If It's a Black or Brown person, deport and or label them woke, anti American etc. Seek death penalty
If it's a young white man, it's video games and mental health. Show compassion.
Either way, it's never the guns.
Rinse and repeat.
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A heavily armed civilian population is inherently dangerous no matter what protections you put in place. All the government has to do is brainwash the masses with propaganda, form a cult around a central figure, and use those armed citizens as an extension of their oppresive force and intimidation tactics unbound by military regulation and oversight.
Of course, there's no way that could happen, right?
Right???
The thing is statistically speaking they are far more likely to accidentally use that weaponry on themselves. You forget, the majority of Americans are very, VERY stupid.
What clinton doesn't understand: US citizens don't care about kids. They made a self-proclaimed child rapist their president TWICE. They would rather see their kids die a horrible death than change gun laws. And that is just the sad reality!
The NRA needs to go. The fact we have a bunch of gun manufacturers masquerading as a rights group is beyond sick. Enough of this bullshit! Vote out anyone taking money from these clowns!
Notice how the NRA has been dead silent ever since Trump took over. They beat that drum of “we need all the guns we can get our hands on in case of government tyranny” yet when tyranny is being implemented and getting worse by the day, crickets. Their silence is deafening and they’re really telling on themselves by not speaking out against it.
They were never actually against tyranny. They were just against the left. Especially while Obama was in office.
They literally came out publicly against the Trump administration's proposal to ban Transgender folk from gun ownership.
Only because it's bad business to alienate a customer base. There's no social consciousness or actual empathy in their stance. They want everyone buying guns, it's as simple as that. Banning groups from being able to buy and own firearms means fewer houses and yachts for LaPierre. Or whatever corrupt shill is running things these days...
Is that all? Trump has been in office for almost a year, and that’s the best they can do? Absolutely pathetic.
Trump has been tyrannical since day one and shows no signs of stopping. That’s good they sided with trans folks, but if that’s the best they can do then it’s literally deck chairs off the titanic. They need to vehemently denounce and distance themselves from this administration if they want to be taken seriously and maintain this reputation of a gun rights and advocacy group.
But they won’t, because that’s not their goal. They’re a slush fund and pro republican gun lobby, so they’re falling in line just like the other groups that have sucked up to Trump.
Something something… cold dead hands.
You can’t have the country that contains the most idiots to also contain the most guns.
No, I promise we just need one more lane, then traffic is solved. No, I promise, one more tax cut and the rich will funnel that money down to the workers. No, I promise, more guns will fix the problem, it will end Mass Shooting...
Man I can't wait for it to pay off.
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Don’t disagree that there’s way too many guns and it’s way too easy to get them, but this also overlooks extreme lack of mental health care in this country. Many of these people probably wouldn’t use guns for violence and mass shootings if they had access to effective mental health care. The state of the economy and day to day stress is radically different than it used to be too. Wages are down with no end in sight. This absolutely contributes to the hopeless and helpless feelings people have, and they have much less to lose if they commit violent crimes.
The amount and nature of propaganda has changed dramatically as well since the Clinton and Bush eras. Fox News has radicalized an entire generation to view the other side as literal demons or enemy combatants, and just fans those flames constantly. Social media turns that up even more, especially with the bots, trolls, and foreign powers like Russia meddling around trying to exacerbate it.
I don’t remember things being so contentious and violent while I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s. People could still have political discussions without getting violent or wishing harm on their fellow Americans. But over the last 15 years, that has changed dramatically.
The UK is currently going through a mental health crisis. We have record number of economically inactive people, largely from mental health issues. Our NHS is crumbling and doesn’t have the resources to care for them.
But, we don’t have mass shootings cause we don’t have guns.
Removing guns reduces death stats. No matter of mental state or not. It’s a simple mathematical logic that every country understands except the US.
Potential shooters who get none or very low access to guns, his chances are reduced to commit his crimes. Sure he can use other means like knives. But would not be able to kill as many people as someone spraying around with an AR 15.
Guns aren't solely to blame because the root causes of most mass shooters aren't inherently related to guns. The motives for many mass shooters are often related to bullying or some personal issues.
Shitty healthcare system that doesn't do enough for those with mental health issues.
Proliferation of social media has allowed bullying to become easier.
Schools not cracking down on bullying partially because some parents are the classic "my kid would never do that" all while exerting pressure and making threats(aka bullying) towards the school to not take action. They need to start doing three strike system for those accused of bullying to where they get increasing punishments for being reported for bullying.
Not securing firearms in a safe or somewhere out of the reach of those who are underage. I mean at the very least taking the firing pin out if you're not going to use it long term is the best option as the gun is no better than a paper weight at that point.
Can you guys please think of the poor shareholders of gun manufacturers?!
How are they going to afford their 4th home if we don’t encourage this?!
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It's always been the guns.
America likes to think that it's special and that what works in the rest of the world couldn't work in America because of xyz, but it's just a self comforting notion to avoid looking reality in the face.
Get rid of guns in your population = more people alive, less people with life changing injuries, less crime.
It's scientifically proven but Americans are whiny little bitches who can't stand the idea of having ANYTHING taken away from them for the greater good.
This picture needs to be a triptych with Donald dump sleeping during a meeting as the third panel.
What do we do about all these mass drownings?
Conservatives; I know, more water.
Any time is a good time since any time is roughly 3 days since the last mass shooting took place.
“bUT BUt JOe BIdeN!” — MAGA
"Guns don't kill, people do" quote is used a lot by gun nuts. Bill Clinton proved that if you keep those people from getting their hands on assault rifles that there are fewer people killed by these people using guns to kill.
Side note, lock Bill up for his ties to Epstein. Just because he kept a bunch of people from being murdered by assault rifles doesn't give him a pass for raping children, and I voted for him twice.
Its a weird mindset the right and especially the far right have.Facts and casualties do not matter.They are living in a somewhat warped sense of reality in spite of everything to the contrary.
The republicans don’t care about mass shootings, period. Remember “Joe the Plumber” that McCain trotted out at his rallies? He summed up it up for them with his quote of “your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights”. It’s a gun cult, a fetish, and some crazy ass tough guy role playing.
democrats: helpful and competent
everyone: "fuck this!!! we wanna live in shit slop!!!!!!"
People think that outlawing guns will reduce gun violence, but look what happened in Australia after they passed their gun laws.
It reduced the gun violence? https://www.gunsafetyalliance.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/total-gun-deaths-aus-1-1536x772.png
Exactly
They could have never been much more at peace than they are now.
Imagine all the freedoms they could have had if they just had weekly school shootings. Such a loss of freedoms...
LMAFO
Conservative ideas are not going to move us forward.
It's not just the guns.
The U.S is a place that makes people miserable, makes people afraid, and makes people lose hope for their future.
The U.S is a place where people fetishize hurting others.
Having easy access to guns facilitates people's murder fetish, but the guns are not the problem, the people is that the culture is sick, the economy is sick, people can't afford a decent life despite working full-time and more, the corporate owned media shoves fear-based messaging down our throats non-stop, we've got the Republican party who has spent decades convincing Americans that most other Americans are their enemies and that compromise is immoral.
The U.S is a deeply sick country. Get rid of every gun, and it's still a deeply sick country.
We are also now a fascist state with increasing authoritarianism, with government goons literally abducting people, abducting citizens, abducting women and children, in broad daylight, at gun point.
Now is not the time to limit access to guns, unless you want the only people with guns to be people like ICE.
I think it’s a two fold issue. We need stricter gun laws, that’s undeniable.
We also need to actually fucking try to have good mental health services.
The best approach is honestly just to have both going at once, and hell the latter can work into the former really neatly.
But like as much as this line is used in bad faith. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The most common thread among school shooters is mental instability. You don’t see perfectly stable people going and shooting up a school or mall, it’s people who are in a really shit place and just left to be there. It’s teens with access to forums of people who just fill their minds with hate and then encourage them to harm people. It’s isolation, feeling like you are surrounded by people who hate you and yet nobody, even people who you are told all your life should help you, won’t.
Blaming solely guns is an easy way to dodge the true issue here. If we banned every single gun tomorrow it wouldn’t stop the mental health crisis our country has, it would just make it easier to ignore.
If we want to truly curb these tragedies we need to tighten gun laws AND put serious effort into helping the people who mentally need it.
Has any gun nut said "AR does't stand for assault rifle" yet? Needs to be said after all mass events.
B-b-b-but mUh gUNs
I'm a leftist but Rhode Island has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire country. I don't think it's the laws this time.
Strict gun laws in one state don't really mean much when those same strict laws aren't in every state. Just like how there are tons of bars and liquor stores all up and down the borders of the "dry state", Utah...
This is probably one of the reasons Bush won't speak up. He knows RepubliKKKlans and trump(especially)will hurl every single thing he did!