It will work too. That goober audience has successfully been weaponized to the point that we’re really getting a SCOTUS challenge to birthright citizenship. She’ll be free by the end of next week. Polis will cave for some RTD/infrastructure funding
Yet he sits in the office as we comment this on a reddit owned by people who would slit your throat and send you down a river for a favorable piece of legislation. We’re the cowards and losers. We lost.
Louisiana vs Callais. That, paired with the police and surveillance state…it’s game brother. We lost the most important moment of our shared experiment.
Literally saw someone on twitter last night say: If states can just ignore orders from the president without consequences, then why do we even have a president?
I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't go off on one of his 2am Truth Social rants about this evil and horrible anti-American DEMOCRAT in the CDOC who thinks she can keep sweet, innocent, persecuted Tina Peters in jail after his TOTALLY LEGAL pardon. I'm willing to bet someone on Trump's team is dictating this lawyer's efforts to have more slop for the MAGA's feeding trough.
There’s a tiny possibility that he was planning on holding a prison release press conference, to try to drum up more of the Wrongly Convicted PatriotTM business, but then the lack of requests for schedule information from the media should have been the first clue.
It totally is. This is something that they're going to use to say look. These left-wing liberal types won't follow the president of the United States, the most important person blah blah blah.
Nope. This attorney doesn't know. Let's stop pretending that these MAGA weirdos who manage to somehow secure a law license, hopefully temporarily, know jack squat.
If only, I think the sad truth is that they have to be afraid about further retaliation either directly from the oval office or from the slew of inbred losers who call themselves Americans.
Probably won't enjoy the recipients professional inability to redact their email in their post. They're about to get bombarded by emails from lunatics.
I'm a claims examiner for a supplemental health insurance company. I always leave some sort of note on my claims if something was denied (usually something that we don't cover).
So rather than per my last email when I inevitably get some stupid request about it, I use "As I noted in <system>".
Unfortunately for the reps, I started off in the call center. You need to be able to tell these people "no". If you can't say that, you have no business being in customer service.
I think they finally fired the one asshole that kept telling people what they wanted to hear rather than what was actually in their policy.
Agreed, responding to the email gave them what they needed to make a public statement about how the state of CO is ignoring Trump's pardon. This will rile up the conspiracy folk and America hating "patriots" (to be totally honest about these people who only want to shred the constitution) and get some public backlash against the CO department of corrections.
There's a non zero chance of people storming the prison to enforce trumps invalid pardon.
In this case, if it’s in writing ahead of time, when he inevitably does show up and try to make a big deal about it, they can say “we alerted him already that it’s not a thing”
Also, In re Coy 1888 does not grant presidential authority to pardon state crimes. In re Coy 1888 is the authority of federal governmental agencies to investigate voter fraud at the state level which affects federal elections.
Simeon Coy was a county election official who appealed his federal conviction, arguing he was only able to be held on state charges and the federal government had no authority to intervene. The SCOTUS upheld his conviction because a congressional election was held at the state level but has federal impacts, and becomes co-jurisdictional.
That does not mean a president can pardon state convictions for a federal election fraud case. It means both state and feds can bring charges.
Cite relevant cases, too. In re Coy doesn't do shit to allow presidential pardons of state convictions.
In re Coy (not Coi) is also not even applicable, if you could even claim relevance today. It just gives feds the ability to bring charges for state level officials committing election fraud in federal elections, should state level officials fail to act. It just says federal elections are co-jurisdiction. Both state and federal agencies have jurisdiction to bring charges.
See? All it takes is one ounce of courage and duty to uphold the law against fascism. Proud of this email while also so ashamed at all the other institutions bending the knee to Trump and his goons.
I wonder how hard Melissa was laughing when she was typing out this message. Honestly it would have taken all of my willpower to not simply write LMFAO and leave it at that.
Billing hours are all that matters to him, obviously. At the very least, he'd know that a presidential pardon only applies to federal convictions. So why not make money writing letters to CDOC?
He thought he could bluff his way through the door.
Even if the dementia king cannot understand that he doesn't rule by fiat, the lawyer knew. His bluff was part theatrics, and part testing to see if there were any cracks to take advantage of. He's going to work harder to earn the rest of Tina's life savings.
My money is on this going to the Supreme Court, in the hopes that the conservative majority decides that the president does indeed have the power to pardon state convictions, so that Trump and other associates can all be pardoned and protected when they are no longer in power.
TML about states rights and how POTUS pardons DO NOT supercede them, let us take a moment to enjoy their first confused wokeness episode with many likely to follow?
It is a shame that so many won't have access to mental health services since they flush the concept of universal medical at every opportunity for dumb reasons they are fed to keep on voting against own self interests?
Real answer: a lot of legal proceedings require actually being denied something, not just a claim or assumption they would be denied.
The attorney likely knew this would be the result, but had to actually go through the motions so they would have evidence of CDOC denying them, which will not go to different legal authorities or courts to say “see, they denied us, you have to fix it”.
To be fair, I don't doubt that it was purely a performative effort, meant to elicit this exact response. I don't think all these Trump-adjacent attorneys are mouth-breathing morons, I just think they are willing to compromise the system by pushing hard enough against the norms that
Can this dipshit be reported to the state Bar? If he doesn't know the difference between state and Federal jurisdictions, he shouldn't be practicing law.
The lawyer was surely just staging a right-wing MAGA event for Trump's benefit. "Oh, rogue officials!" "Oh, the injustice and persecution of a MAGA supporter!" "Oh, evil Democrats!" These lies will continue to resonate with the truly stupid MAGA populace and Trump will be pleased to have some new attack material.
I think this is the beginning of the process to get the pardon to the Supreme Court.
Her lawyers will argue that she has a presidential pardon and the presidential pardon is the highest in the land. That presidential pardons are not limited to federal lawsuits.
We are looking at a constitutional war between the federal government and the state governments.
Patrick Byrne should be in jail along with her. He is defying court orders to appear in the civil suit brought by Hunter Biden and is risking a default judgement in the defamation action brought by Dominion.
That response could’ve been better written by laying out the pardoning power the President has which references the exact part of the Constitution saying so, and then go on to explain that Ms Peters is there on a state charge. MAGA can complain all they want but know deep down Trump doesn’t have the power to let her go.
This email just doesn’t explain any of that nuance which is just going to cause more trouble once the uninformed MAGA masses get ahold of it and think the pardon makes her free.
Incase you’re not being sarcastic. It’s so hard to tell anymore.
She’s still in jail because the founding fathers maintained state sovereignty. Which is the opposite of federalism.
Mental gymnastics and making loopholes is a MAGA judicial speciality. The magic is in how the Founders intent always seems to line up with whatever outcome is paid for.
All it really takes is an interpretation of the pardon clause to read that "offenses against the United States" actually means "any crime under any jurisdiction in the United States."
Do you think this supreme court, under John Robeta, who believes heavily in the concept of the unitary executive, capable of such an interpretation?
Police powers belong to the state. Always have; always will. Even the Supreme Court can’t free her unless Colorado agrees. See the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.
I want to make explicit and clear what I am saying: even if the United States Supreme Court orders her released, Colorado has every right to keep her in prison and ignore the US Supreme Court. Moreover, the US Supreme Court deserves to be ignored.
I will concede that if Congress were to pass a law that said Presidential pardons could overturn state convictions that it could be a closer call. However, I still think there’s no justification in the Constitution for that law.
We agree there is no justification in the constitution. That said, the Supreme Court works from desired outcome backwards now, so if they want Trump to have the power they will give it to him.
This is just boundary pushing. They know that a Presidential pardon doesn't legally get him out of jail. They are just trying to see if enough people will break the law out of cult loyalty. If they don't, then their propaganda channels will just use it as proof of 'deep state control'.
I suspect the bombing of ship wreck survivors was a similar story. "Let's see if they will murder defenceless people for us?"
She's a public official replying on an official account regarding a case and that would be accessible via FOIA and that message is published other places. It's not like you couldn't find this information easily.
I can find my dad's payscale via google because his job title and compensation are public record because he worked for the state and that data is published openly.
Sometimes redaction doesn't actually protect anything.
Um... she's a government employee. You can find her full name and workplace address on the Colorado Department of Corrections website. That's kind of how it works in a transparent government.
Inevitably, she will be freed pretty shortly. Now that they’ve directed the rage of the conservative machine at her, Polis will cave before the end of next week.
Celebrating these instances are just setting us all up for disappointment and dejection.
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Attorney knows. What lawyer goes to pick up a client on release from prison? This is a publicity stunt.
All performative theater for their goober audience.
It will work too. That goober audience has successfully been weaponized to the point that we’re really getting a SCOTUS challenge to birthright citizenship. She’ll be free by the end of next week. Polis will cave for some RTD/infrastructure funding
I have seen MAGA accounts saying to send in the US Marshalls, HRT, and the Nat. Guard (not all in the same post) to break her out. Sigh.
Why does she need hormone replacement therapy?
Storming the Bastille, anyone?
He better the fuck not.
"tHeY'rE dEfYiNg ThE pReSiDeNt"
Good. Everyone should.
He reneged on his oath to uphold the Constitution. His authority is null and void.
He's ineligible to hold office under the Fourteenth Amendment. His entire presidency is illegal.
Yet he sits in the office as we comment this on a reddit owned by people who would slit your throat and send you down a river for a favorable piece of legislation. We’re the cowards and losers. We lost.
We lost 2024. We lost 2025.
But in the end, no matter how many brief victories they manage, even no matter how many millions they kill - fascists always lose.
Louisiana vs Callais. That, paired with the police and surveillance state…it’s game brother. We lost the most important moment of our shared experiment.
Sigh. I was patient once. No more.
Take your pathetic rolling over for the fascists who want to kill you somewhere else. The rest of us want to live.
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“Activist corrections officers! Impeach them!”
The right and proper course for every American.
Literally saw someone on twitter last night say: If states can just ignore orders from the president without consequences, then why do we even have a president?
I will be very surprised if Trump doesn't go off on one of his 2am Truth Social rants about this evil and horrible anti-American DEMOCRAT in the CDOC who thinks she can keep sweet, innocent, persecuted Tina Peters in jail after his TOTALLY LEGAL pardon. I'm willing to bet someone on Trump's team is dictating this lawyer's efforts to have more slop for the MAGA's feeding trough.
He'll dip into his limited arsenal of insults and call them sick, sad, and depraved.
Don’t forget: Radical Left Lunatics
Taking 2:1 odds on "Melissa 'Stupid' Smith" and 3:1 odds on "'Moron' Melissa Smith"
There’s a tiny possibility that he was planning on holding a prison release press conference, to try to drum up more of the Wrongly Convicted PatriotTM business, but then the lack of requests for schedule information from the media should have been the first clue.
I agree this is theater, but are you familiar with Alina Habba and Lindsey Halligan? They’re not sending their best.
Teresa Giudice’s, lol
It totally is. This is something that they're going to use to say look. These left-wing liberal types won't follow the president of the United States, the most important person blah blah blah.
Nope. This attorney doesn't know. Let's stop pretending that these MAGA weirdos who manage to somehow secure a law license, hopefully temporarily, know jack squat.
Proud to be a Coloradan right now. Polis better not screw this up.
Agreed, good job so far Polis.
Honestly, na he is gonna fold so fast 🙃
This was one of the most satisfying emails I’ve ever read.
I imagine the person writing it enjoyed the professional ability to say F U.
If only, I think the sad truth is that they have to be afraid about further retaliation either directly from the oval office or from the slew of inbred losers who call themselves Americans.
This is still my favorite lawyer FU letter.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cleveland-browns-letters/
Mine is Arkell v Pressdam
https://preview.redd.it/e3bnpkh5t17g1.jpeg?width=809&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96e04914d83a3a1307383c4c22827e52acb82a9b
Haha thanks for this
That one is famous, although thanks for letting us know where it really came from. I’ve never known that.
Still, however, this letter is counter to the expressed desire of the President of the United States, and is therefore way cooler.
Why? This sounds like a child being mad in lawyer talk. Are you also a child?
Probably won't enjoy the recipients professional inability to redact their email in their post. They're about to get bombarded by emails from lunatics.
“Not only can’t you have her, you can’t even see her without going to the back of the line and doing it as if you were a normal lawyer.”
Honestly, I would've just responded with something like,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocJAqjttoU
Regards,
....
If only it were a second email so we’d get “Per my last email…”
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I'm a claims examiner for a supplemental health insurance company. I always leave some sort of note on my claims if something was denied (usually something that we don't cover).
So rather than per my last email when I inevitably get some stupid request about it, I use "As I noted in <system>".
Unfortunately for the reps, I started off in the call center. You need to be able to tell these people "no". If you can't say that, you have no business being in customer service.
I think they finally fired the one asshole that kept telling people what they wanted to hear rather than what was actually in their policy.
Trump University School of Law graduate.
Excuse me. It is “the Sarah Palin School of Law and Fishing at Trump University“.
I wouldn't have sent that email. I would have read it to them after they wasted their time traveling there then asked for them to leave.
I would’ve invited the dean of their law school to read the email in a disappointed tone
Agreed, responding to the email gave them what they needed to make a public statement about how the state of CO is ignoring Trump's pardon. This will rile up the conspiracy folk and America hating "patriots" (to be totally honest about these people who only want to shred the constitution) and get some public backlash against the CO department of corrections.
There's a non zero chance of people storming the prison to enforce trumps invalid pardon.
But...but states rights
The only states rights that they ever cared about was regarding owning slaves.
Then they will be shot, if they actually try to perform some sort of jail break.prison wardens don't joke around about keeping their wards in custody.
Replying to Dr_CleanBones...if that happens, the prison should open its doors to them, let them in, and close the doors behind them.
Ask them to leave? Why? Let them sit out in the unsecured parking lot and wait. It’s not like there is a big lobby for them to be a nuisance in.
Print it on a big scroll that needs to be ceremoniously unrolled.
"here ye, here ye!"
hear* lol
"Hear ye, hear ye"...as in "listen, everyone".
In this case, if it’s in writing ahead of time, when he inevitably does show up and try to make a big deal about it, they can say “we alerted him already that it’s not a thing”
CYA
Roland Freisler had a law degree too. That didn’t stop him either.
And Trump has a degree in Economics.
Wharton should close up shop in embarrassment.
Trump says the economy is doing great. Orton could use that as a basis for annulling his degree.
You know your position is strong when you can only cite to a case from 1888 for support.
He cited it wrong, the ding dong. It's In re Coy.
At least cite your 1800's case law correctly.
Also, In re Coy 1888 does not grant presidential authority to pardon state crimes. In re Coy 1888 is the authority of federal governmental agencies to investigate voter fraud at the state level which affects federal elections.
Simeon Coy was a county election official who appealed his federal conviction, arguing he was only able to be held on state charges and the federal government had no authority to intervene. The SCOTUS upheld his conviction because a congressional election was held at the state level but has federal impacts, and becomes co-jurisdictional.
That does not mean a president can pardon state convictions for a federal election fraud case. It means both state and feds can bring charges.
Cite relevant cases, too. In re Coy doesn't do shit to allow presidential pardons of state convictions.
My thoughts exactly
All kinds of super old case law that courts typically don’t accept as precedent. Any practicing lawyer knows this.
In re Coy (not Coi) is also not even applicable, if you could even claim relevance today. It just gives feds the ability to bring charges for state level officials committing election fraud in federal elections, should state level officials fail to act. It just says federal elections are co-jurisdiction. Both state and federal agencies have jurisdiction to bring charges.
That’s on par with the sov-cit nonsense.
This "pretending" is what they did in 2020 when trump lost the election. Remember? They just pretended he won. "Swore in" their own electors.
This pretending is a clear example of post-exceptionalism in america.
Bro can’t even cite the case. It’s not Coi. Also, did he not read the case? His citation proves the opposite of what he thinks it does.
It proves the federal government can bring charges against state officials for federal election interference.
It does not mean that the president can pardon people for federal election interference if they were charged at the state level.
Shockingly, Mr. Deep State former Overstock.com CEO is a moron.
“Your Honor, these clogs won’t be ready until Tuesday.”
See? All it takes is one ounce of courage and duty to uphold the law against fascism. Proud of this email while also so ashamed at all the other institutions bending the knee to Trump and his goons.
Surely this was just performative, right?
RIGHT?!
We all hope for that, but with these people, you never know for sure. They don't respect anyone enough to tell the truth, so we will never be certain.
I wonder how hard Melissa was laughing when she was typing out this message. Honestly it would have taken all of my willpower to not simply write LMFAO and leave it at that.
“I thought you’d want to know that some idiot is signing your name to stupid letters.”
I'm sure the attorney knows this is bullshit. It's just better for the attorney to play along.
Billing hours are all that matters to him, obviously. At the very least, he'd know that a presidential pardon only applies to federal convictions. So why not make money writing letters to CDOC?
He thought he could bluff his way through the door.
Even if the dementia king cannot understand that he doesn't rule by fiat, the lawyer knew. His bluff was part theatrics, and part testing to see if there were any cracks to take advantage of. He's going to work harder to earn the rest of Tina's life savings.
It’s theatrics from this reality TV show Presidency.
Steve Bannon says Donald should send the US Military to bust her out of prison.
Steve Bannon should not draw any further attention to himself than he already has as he is seen in photos with Epstein..
They expect the states to kiss the ring. They've been sending letters encouraging state pardons, up until now.
He's going to order a military strike on the prison like the apartment building.
My money is on this going to the Supreme Court, in the hopes that the conservative majority decides that the president does indeed have the power to pardon state convictions, so that Trump and other associates can all be pardoned and protected when they are no longer in power.
Question for those more in the know: did Tina Peters have a federal conviction also that was vacated by the pardon, leaving only these state charges?
Or was this literally Trump pardoning her for something he doesn’t have the power to pardon?
If it’s the second one, I worry that this is an attempt to serve up a case to SCOTUS saying he can pardon state level charges now too.
It’s the latter. She only had state charges
article to back up your accurate response
The Supreme Court I’m sure is working on changing the law for state level pardons.
Up next, he'll become a US attorney...
"Pound sand"
I love the smell of backbone in the morning….
Her lawyer was talking about trump sending US Marshals there to free her. So much for states rights.
TML about states rights and how POTUS pardons DO NOT supercede them, let us take a moment to enjoy their first confused wokeness episode with many likely to follow?
It is a shame that so many won't have access to mental health services since they flush the concept of universal medical at every opportunity for dumb reasons they are fed to keep on voting against own self interests?
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TML = today maga learns in case you are one of the confused.
Donr forget that this isn't the only thing that makes her an awful human. She also tried to steal her ex husband's house through a quit claim deed.
It’s all just billable hours.
Remember, laws don’t apply to MAGA
Real answer: a lot of legal proceedings require actually being denied something, not just a claim or assumption they would be denied.
The attorney likely knew this would be the result, but had to actually go through the motions so they would have evidence of CDOC denying them, which will not go to different legal authorities or courts to say “see, they denied us, you have to fix it”.
Anyone with this firm a grasp on the rule of law has a long future with this current administration.
To be fair, I don't doubt that it was purely a performative effort, meant to elicit this exact response. I don't think all these Trump-adjacent attorneys are mouth-breathing morons, I just think they are willing to compromise the system by pushing hard enough against the norms that
Can this dipshit be reported to the state Bar? If he doesn't know the difference between state and Federal jurisdictions, he shouldn't be practicing law.
can you report lawyers to the state bar for stupidity?
Thought Republicans were always for small government and states rights
The lawyer was surely just staging a right-wing MAGA event for Trump's benefit. "Oh, rogue officials!" "Oh, the injustice and persecution of a MAGA supporter!" "Oh, evil Democrats!" These lies will continue to resonate with the truly stupid MAGA populace and Trump will be pleased to have some new attack material.
He went to trump university
Tina should rot in prison.
Her lawyer: well...had to give it a shot 🤷
I think this is the beginning of the process to get the pardon to the Supreme Court. Her lawyers will argue that she has a presidential pardon and the presidential pardon is the highest in the land. That presidential pardons are not limited to federal lawsuits. We are looking at a constitutional war between the federal government and the state governments.
Probably went to the same law school as Kim Kardashian.
This is such a stupid timeline
The stupid is accelerating
Patrick Byrne should be in jail along with her. He is defying court orders to appear in the civil suit brought by Hunter Biden and is risking a default judgement in the defamation action brought by Dominion.
That response could’ve been better written by laying out the pardoning power the President has which references the exact part of the Constitution saying so, and then go on to explain that Ms Peters is there on a state charge. MAGA can complain all they want but know deep down Trump doesn’t have the power to let her go.
This email just doesn’t explain any of that nuance which is just going to cause more trouble once the uninformed MAGA masses get ahold of it and think the pardon makes her free.
Law degree from a Cracker Jack box.
This is setting up for the federal appeal. When it reaches the gang of six Tina will be free! The founders don’t believe in federalism
Incase you’re not being sarcastic. It’s so hard to tell anymore. She’s still in jail because the founding fathers maintained state sovereignty. Which is the opposite of federalism.
That's what they said
I doubt it honestly. There is no legal mechanism for them to do anything here. There is no "orginalist" reading of anything that would even help.
I admire your optimism.
Mental gymnastics and making loopholes is a MAGA judicial speciality. The magic is in how the Founders intent always seems to line up with whatever outcome is paid for.
How long has it been since Thomas got a new RV?
Besides Trump has spoken…
The majority opinion is going to be a fascinating read.
All it really takes is an interpretation of the pardon clause to read that "offenses against the United States" actually means "any crime under any jurisdiction in the United States."
Do you think this supreme court, under John Robeta, who believes heavily in the concept of the unitary executive, capable of such an interpretation?
Police powers belong to the state. Always have; always will. Even the Supreme Court can’t free her unless Colorado agrees. See the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.
I want to make explicit and clear what I am saying: even if the United States Supreme Court orders her released, Colorado has every right to keep her in prison and ignore the US Supreme Court. Moreover, the US Supreme Court deserves to be ignored.
The states are not sovereign if they ever were. This ruling will close that coffin
I will concede that if Congress were to pass a law that said Presidential pardons could overturn state convictions that it could be a closer call. However, I still think there’s no justification in the Constitution for that law.
We agree there is no justification in the constitution. That said, the Supreme Court works from desired outcome backwards now, so if they want Trump to have the power they will give it to him.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This situation keeps getting more amusing with every update.
They'll send in the fed goon squad to bust her out. Countdown starts ....
Womp fuckin womp
but... he tweeted!
The idiots are very upset that she hasn’t been released.
How? tRUMP University.
Not today, playa 🤣 😂
He didn't get his balloon either - it's because of the damn DEI Joe BIDEN KILLARY BUTTERY MALES!!!!! SOOO BUTTERY!!!!!
This is just boundary pushing. They know that a Presidential pardon doesn't legally get him out of jail. They are just trying to see if enough people will break the law out of cult loyalty. If they don't, then their propaganda channels will just use it as proof of 'deep state control'.
I suspect the bombing of ship wreck survivors was a similar story. "Let's see if they will murder defenceless people for us?"
Real good job of redacting her email address when you left her full name and workplace address
She's a public official replying on an official account regarding a case and that would be accessible via FOIA and that message is published other places. It's not like you couldn't find this information easily.
I can find my dad's payscale via google because his job title and compensation are public record because he worked for the state and that data is published openly.
Sometimes redaction doesn't actually protect anything.
Um... she's a government employee. You can find her full name and workplace address on the Colorado Department of Corrections website. That's kind of how it works in a transparent government.
Inevitably, she will be freed pretty shortly. Now that they’ve directed the rage of the conservative machine at her, Polis will cave before the end of next week.
Celebrating these instances are just setting us all up for disappointment and dejection.
No harm in trying.