Real reason that AI is being pushed so hard. If it gets enough money and steals enough data, they can make it plausible enough to fool idiots into thinking anything bad is AI.
This trend of pictures and proof of famous and influential MFs with Epstein involved in rapey things everyday is one of the best advent calendars I've received from the world. Drop them all now, no matter who.
No no no, you eat the first one one piece a day, like you're supposed to. Then, on the first day the supermarkets are open after christmas you go buy 3-4 of them and treat them as heavily discounted boxes of fancy chocolate. Those are the ones you eat all at once.
I BOUGHT THE CALENDAR! IF I WANT TO HUDDLE IN THE CORNER TEARING THE BOX APART AND EATING THE TREATS ALL AT ONCE LIKE A RAVID RACCOON THAT'S MY PREROGATIVE. ITS MY HOT BODY I DO WHAT I WANT!
Nah, not in this climate. In an ordinary world, for sure, drop them all, let them all face immediate justice. In this fucked up world of ADHD attention spans, drop them sequentially and keep the story in the news through as many news cycles as possible.
I want every single one of these cunts - Bill, Woody, everybody - to have their own special time in the spotlight.
I like the trickle. It keeps it in the public eye longer, which you need when you consider how ludicrously fast the modern news cycle is.
Think of it like Netflix dropping the whole season at once versus dropping an episode a week. If you binge watch the whole season in a day, you talk about it for the next week or two at most and that's pretty much it. If you're watching it week after week, you've got a fresh, constant source of gossip for as long as the show lasts. "Hey, did you see who showed up in The Epstein Files this week?" "I know, right?"
But it’s the little dribble of a photo here and a email there that pisses me off. Just fucking release something of substance and stop sprinkling “breaking news” bullshit.
I thought the same thing at first, but I think this is smart. December 19 is the deadline for the DOJ to release the files. If the Dems dump them all now, we’ll get some whiny bullshit about how the DOJ was working hard to comply and those mean old Dems didn’t give them a chance. It also keeps the topic at the forefront of people’s minds instead of allowing them to forget after a weekend.
To what end? Trump owns the FBI, Congress, the courts. By the time November rolls around America will have forgotten. No, bit by bit you keep this in the news cycle, keep people engaged, and then drop the big shit in October
The longer it drags out, the longer the GOP has to create other distractions and/or muddy the waters and cause the public to lose interest. Release them now
And yet there will be no repercussions if Democrats dump 10,000 images in December and expect Americans to care by November. I'm sorry but that's not how this works. The best way to get justice for victims is to dethrone the Republican party, and to do that we need to win elections
I’d love to live in a fantasy world like the one you depict where people actually remember the criminality occurring even weeks ago but unfortunately with social media and 24 hour billionaire owned propaganda “news” cycles that doesn’t even remotely exist anymore. It’s the reason they keep getting away with it. People forget then move onto the next scandal. Raping kids is something a majority of us plebs can unite on and in these trying times we need to unite more than ever to keep these sickos in check and hold them accountable for their depraved and heinous behavior.
Wow. Didn’t expect the downvotes. Just merely stating this is not a republican/democratic issue. It is a criminal issue. And people shouldn’t look at this as a “way” to get rid of people etc. the republicans own everything because of our own ignorance and enough of their party voting. These crimes happened prior to this administration (and possibly have many others of other administrations, counties, etc). All I meant was the hurt these victims went through shouldn’t be used politically. If there is political fallout from crimes committed, so be it. Unfortunately, I don’t trust the courts etc anymore as another user said, but let’s not lose sight of the actual issue at hand.
I’m not saying it shouod be used politically. I’m saying if this isn’t constantly in the headlines these guys will walk away with a slap on the wrist. Part of holding this class responsible is the shame. We need to shame them for their actions and have their crimes depicted over and over so people understand the punishment for this level of sadistic behavior. This is the elite class preying on innocent children. This goes far beyond politics. This is a global issue and the 99% need to nail these ghouls to the stake. All of them, no exceptions. This abuse will continue if this story loses focus.
Totally disagree. "We held onto this until it was most convenient for our partisan interests, so we set aside the interests of the victims, the idea of equality under the law, and the public right to know. We only released this information when it would do the most damage to our political opponents" is a terrible, terrible approach.
You don't play political games with serious crimes, and certainly not crimes of this type with children involved, especially at this scale.
Doing the right thing here, now, would also be doing the politically beneficial thing, so they really shouldn't blow it.
How would it be a politically beneficially thing to release them all now? These need to make a permanent mark on the psyche of America, otherwise none of these people will face consequences. You talk about the interest of the victims, how does releasing everything right now benefit the victims. These people will face no consequences and no prosecution if released in full today.
Does political expediency justify withholding from doing what is right?
Also, I think there's an assumption baked in here that acting hard and fast is somehow less effective than a slow burn. Instead, the imminence of a full dump should have every guilty party quaking in their boots, but every day that release can be delayed buys them a new opportunity to run interference.
Acting hard and fast is less effective. How is it wrong slow feeding this? Who is going to bring charges and prosecute this today? The ring leader in the White House? His minions?
If there's going to be accountability, it won't happen in the federal courts, but rather in the courts of public opinion. Much like moving a refrigerator that houses cockroaches, pulling back the veil will hit the powerful and wealthy with far greater efficacy than a slap-on-the-wrist punishment could.
...And yes, I have lost all faith in the legal system. Too many injustices have gone unchecked with impunity, and the bar for effective prosecution is far too high to be useful in quashing these problems. Not that it's an either-or scenario, and I hope for both legal and social justice in this situation, but one of the two can't be made to disappear by pulling the levers of high society.
Does political expediency justify withholding from doing what is right?
If it leads to actual justice at the end
Also, I think there's an assumption baked in here that acting hard and fast is somehow less effective than a slow burn.
A slow burn or hard and fast doesn’t matter under the wrong administration.
Instead, the imminence of a full dump should have every guilty party quaking in their boots, but every day that release can be delayed buys them a new opportunity to run interference.
Full dump wouldnt do anything.
Trump could go on stage. Read out the list. Say it was him.
And then what? You’d have to wait 3 years for an election. In 3 years the average public will care more about what the kardashians did that week then the list.
How would it be a politically beneficially thing to release them all now?
Frankly, my point is that playing politics with something as horrifying as this wouldn't be good politics. Using some of the most egregious cases of mass csa and child trafficking as little more than partisan political currency would confirm every stereotype of Dems, and every lazy claim of "both sides are terrible and are just defending partisan interests while ignoring the interests of regular people". Answering the question of why it was released in October 2026 and not now with "that was most convenient for our party" probably would make Dems sound like crass political opportunists, looking to seek advantage even in the suffering of children. It also makes Dems criticism of Republicans' withholding of the files pretty easy to criticize as hypocritical and self-interested.
That doesn't strike me as a winning electoral strategy.
You talk about the interest of the victims, how does releasing everything right now benefit the victims.
Seriously? Are you suggesting that the victims who are calling for this info to be released are just interested in partisan politics, and not actual public acknowledgment of these crimes as well as justice?
These people will face no consequences and no prosecution if released in full today
Are you seriously saying that Trump's involvement in an international child trafficking ring -- at a minimum -- will just blow over in a matter of weeks? Do you think that Dems are so spectacularly incompetent that they can't make this a campaign issue unless it happens just a few weeks before the actual election?
This is one of those times where doing the right thing and the politically convenient thing are the same.
I’m struggling here. If I were one of the victims I could maybe get on board with these villains and my tragedy being used to get democracy back on track and take women’s rights back in a positive direction.
If you release them now under this administration he could round up the victims and throw them into a volcano and none of us would be elected into a high enough role to do anything about it.
The only way the victims have a shot at anything even close to justice is having a president who is not on the list. Everything else is a waste of time or even worse invoking danger to the victims.
I guess I'm just not buying the idea that releasing these now will result in mass amnesia within a few weeks.
I'm also not buying the idea that Dems using evidence of horrifying crimes against children for explicitly partisan purposes will be viewed as a good thing by anyone other than the people that would vote for Dems anyway. And it would just confirm accusations of manipulation, hypocrisy, "both sides", etc.
Releasing the evidence now doesn't mean that it somehow won't be there anymore in October 2026.
The Merrick Garland approach of managing these cases with excessive regard to the electoral calendar just doesn't seem like a great strategy to me.
I guess I'm just not buying the idea that releasing these now will result in mass amnesia within a few weeks.
Few weeks? I give it like a couple days. The next day Taylor swift comes out with an album and they’ll forget. The voting population has done this time and time again. Jan6 was a perfect example. Just a couple years later they forgot just how close to a terrible mess it could have been.
I'm also not buying the idea that Dems using evidence of horrifying crimes against children for explicitly partisan purposes will be viewed as a good thing by anyone other than the people that would vote for Dems anyway. And it would just confirm accusations of manipulation, hypocrisy, "both sides", etc.
This is your main mistake. Many of the people on the list are democratic leadership. Clintons for example. Both parties are on the list
Releasing the evidence now doesn't mean that it somehow won't be there anymore in October 2026.
The people will forget or not care by mid January. Again mostly because the same media giants on said list will create spectacle and stuff to distract the people. Taylor will release an album, they’ll be some new scandal with the Kardashians, there will be a media blockout of the whole thing.
The Merrick Garland approach of managing these cases with excessive regard to the electoral calendar just doesn't seem like a great strategy to me.
Reality is there’s only 1 win case in this whole thing.
Release them in an administration that will actually go after the crooks.
That’s it. Now if you don’t have that. It’s better to not release until you have that win case.
If you can use the release to have said win case become possible then do it.
They should wait until right before the elections before they decide the candidate. Release it.
Both all the dems and republicans on the list will be kicked out both primaries and the whole election will be about who’s the person who will go after the crooks.
That’s the window of opportunity. Anything else and you might as well just release them now and have everyone forget by January.
If I was Trump and in those files I’d probably wish to release them all now. So that it’s a non issue by 2028. They politicized a pandemic. Never underestimate the stupidity of folks.
This has literally been a huge issue for years now. I'm not sure why actually having the evidence would suddenly make it drop off everyone's radar.
This is your main mistake. Many of the people on the list are democratic leadership. Clintons for example. Both parties are on the list
This does nothing to address the point that withholding this information while excoriating Republicans for not releasing it won't appear hypocritical, calculating, or dishonest. And it would, in fact, be calculating.
With "both sides" manipulating the information for partisan purposes it becomes easier to claim that "both sides" are equally to blame in this. It nullifies the advantage that Dems should have.
Release them in an administration that will actually go after the crooks.
Because the evidence somehow won't be there anymore if it gets released now? And now you're saying wait until 2028?
Why does releasing the information now make it impossible to prosecute later?
Anything else and you might as well just release them now and have everyone forget by January.
You do know that the evidence would still be there, right? And again, this has been an issue for the better part of a decade, but somehow nobody will pay attention to it once it's revealed to be as horrifying as everyone thought? People obsessed with it for 9 years, and then just drop it once the proof comes out? I'm just not buying that.
Again, I just don't think that the Merrick Garland approach is the way to go here.
They release it now. It gets politicized like Covid. Called a democrat hoax. The victims get disappeared or they get bought out/threatened. And yes the evidence can be destroyed. All three branches are under Trump. He has the capacity to do whatever to whomever whenever.. Because the state of congress he’s the current sole monarch. And by mid terms next year it’ll be treated like jan6.
Wait til the right moment. Use it to flip some of the seats to people who are not on the list. Which would be some Dems and republicans like Thomas Massie. You’ll need non Epstein list people running on both parties. Get enough votes. And get control of the house and senate.
Then you have atleast 1 of the three branches of government back. Impeaching doesn’t do anything since JD vance and Mike Johnson are just crazy. But you can atleast start some of the trials.
By 2028. You have a shot at voting in a president that can implement the results of those trials. Assuming the populous haven’t been
Otherwise you wait til 2028 and see if you can do all at once.
Regardless right now you have no pieces on the table. And this is a game of chess where time is the only pawn you have. You can promote that pawn and use it well. Or use it up.
They release it now. It gets politicized like Covid. Called a democrat hoax. The victims get disappeared or they get bought out/threatened. And yes the evidence can be destroyed. All three branches are under Trump. He has the capacity to do whatever to whomever whenever.. Because the state of congress he’s the current sole monarch. And by mid terms next year it’ll be treated like jan6.
And holding on to it and releasing it 9 months from now will change what, exactly? Do you think it won't get "politicized"? Do you think it won't be called a hoax? Do you think there won't be threats all around? Will Trump not have power in 9 months?
Everything you say here will also be true in 9 months. What's more, the accusations that it is "politicized" will be much more believable if -- and stick with me on this -- the Dems insist on withholding the information that they are calling on Republicans to release, and then make a political calculation to time the release to maximize partisan benefit? Why would accusations of "politicization" of the issue somehow hold less weight if the Dems are literally politicizing it by withholding the information that they have for political reasons?
Holding on to this does zero to undermine the Republican claims that you point to, and actually does quite a bit to make them more believable.
Wait til the right moment. Use it to flip some of the seats to people who are not on the list. Which would be some Dems and republicans like Thomas Massie. You’ll need non Epstein list people running on both parties. Get enough votes. And get control of the house and senate.
So you mean that Dems not releasing the information that Dems themselves are calling on Republicans to release will somehow shield them from accusations that they are hypocritical, cynical, just out for partisan gain, etc., when dealing with horrific crimes against children, allowing them to walk away with the midterms? And this fantasy is based on what, exactly? Was the Merrick Garland strategy of planning criminal prosecutions around the electoral calendar really that successful that its worth repeating?
And again, its not like the information will somehow vanish if it is released. On the contrary. An issue that has been a significant political issue for literally almost a decade now will somehow be totally dismissed or forgotten in a matter of weeks if all the horrifying, excruciating, damning details come out now? I see no reason to think that that is the case. On the contrary, I imagine there would be a huge backlash against Dems for holding onto this and manipulating it for partisan advantage. And that backlash would be understandable -- these are horrific crimes against children, not Trump cheating on his golf score.
I just don't see that Dems actually engaging in the cynical political manipulation of information over horrendous crimes in order to get maximum partisan political advantage would somehow shield them from accusations that they have engaged in cynical political manipulation of information of horrendous crimes in order to get maximum partisan political advantage. Making the accusations true doesn't somehow make them less powerful. And the accusations -- true or not -- will be there whenever the information is released, so it would be better if the accusations weren't true.
Plus, if the attention span of the public is truly as short as you say, by the time Dems release the information it will have long since ceased to be an issue, no?
Doing the right thing here is also the politically smart thing, and that is treating this criminal matter like a criminal matter, rather than only looking at it as a tool to gain partisan political advantage.
The Dems have a problem in that a whole lot of people think they don't stand for anything, and that they ignore principle. Holding onto this for an "October surprise" would just make that accusation impossible to counter.
And what will happen if you release it now? People will forget about it by the time the election is up. Maybe Trump starts a war with Venezuela and that takes up the press news. Whatever.
You believe for some reason the voters will care about this issue by the time it’s election season in October. I don’t think they care about anything that happened unless it happened in like the past month.
This is the major difference between our two positions. You can have your opinion but sadly I think every historical record on voting is more aligned with my side.
Voters will not care about something that didn’t happen in the past month.
Doesn’t matter how egregious. Jan6 proved this. Covid proved this. The failed infinite wars to nowhere proved this. The banking mess of 2008 proved this.
Each of this should be events to change the voters and it didn’t. They don’t care about anything that happens more than like 2 months back. It is what’s is. Rather then blaming them play by the rules they set
Trump hopefully won’t be in power a few years from now. The actions of those in law enforcement now could results in hefty prison sentences down the road. I’d rather lose my job now than spend a decade or two in prison later.
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I really wish everyone would stop simplifying the investigation just to "the list". There isn't going to be a singular list of confirmed sex criminals there is going to be a series of evidence that implicates a variety of people in a variety of crimes as well as simple witnesses, associates, victims etc.
I am conflicted on the topic of releasing pictures that includes sexual acts. On one hand, people won't believe these people are guilty unless given absolute proof, which the pictures would do. On the other hand, we'd have to censor the pictures a lot as to not harm the victims, which could lead to people questioning the validity of the pictures.
Really, pedophile defenders won't take anything to stop defending pedophiles.
Idk maybe the recent years have taken my cynicism to new heights, but won’t people claim ai or something if the pictures get released, edited or not? Anything but hold any pederasses accountable.
Definitely. I saw a politician make a statement in one of his videos so controversial that he deleted it and when his political opponent reposted the deleted part, some people called it ai.
There's a video going around where a Trump supporter calls into a podcast and asks what's wrong with CSA and wouldn't care if Trump was proven to have done it
In a world where teenagers sending each other nudes have been arrested and charged with production and distribution of child pornography...do we really believe that the DOJ, currently staffed by criminals ferociously devoted to defending the chief pedophile at all costs, WON'T arrest people for releasing proof of his crimes for distribution of child porn?
I love that they are starting with the least damning info and pictures and working their way up to the really bad stuff, drip drop. I hope lots of powerful men are scared for Christmas. Not that I expect the really gross stuff will be shown to the public, nor should it.
That’s how I feel. I don’t feel like anyone will be held accountable because there’s a huge population in this country who just don’t care as long as Republicans are in charge.
Same. Trumpers will not care. They only care because they think it's only Democrats involved. Trump and his enablers in government will continue to ignore it and create more distractions until the public forgets. Also practically all of the media outlets are owned by his billionaire buddies. So any info/pics about Trump having sex with underaged girls will only get a brief mention on the news, if at all.
We're barely 1 year into this shit, and I don't think the US will ever recover from his second presidency.
I'm loving the fact that Woody Allen being in the Epstein Files is only strengthening the case for Dylan, Ronan's & Mia's sexual abuse claims (it's batshit crazy that his involvement with an underaged Soon-Yi wasn't enough to give his supporters pause)
This should be very validating for the Farrows after decades of watching many powerful & influential people have Woody's back
Anyone that defends that man should be persona non grata. The man's right up there with Polanski in my book
Then release them. Release everything associated with it, and don't redact a single thing. Blur out victim faces and release every damn ounce of material you have to the public.
I think releasing them all would actually make people numb to it. Given how our current news cycle is, if they released them all now, by next week, the news will stop talking about it, and by next month, the people will too.
But by trickling them out, you keep the story relevant for longer.
Trickling them out gives the impression that there is no smoking gun. It’s exhausting. It gives MAGA coverage — see? If they had anything Biden would have released it. Allll my MAGA family says this.
Can we just fast forward to the point where all of these pedophiles are tried, convicted and imprisoned? I know the economy is going to collapse. I know shit is going to get way worse. Why delay the inevitable? Let's just get it over with and get started on fixing shit
Release it all and arrest all the guilty ones. Dems, republicans, independents, billionaires and movie stars, if tried and convicted send them to prison!
Getting real tired of people waiting for Trump's admin to do the right thing. They aren't going to, not even with this pressure, it just is never going to happen. Just release everything you have and let the cards fall where they do.
I think it’s important to remember, when all this comes out, that there were tons of people that were trying to cover it up. They saw pictures of kids being raped and thought “we need to protect these rapists!”
I don’t buy that powerful men are terrified. Maybe the low level ones like Trump, but not the truly wealthy and powerful. Sure, they’ll take a hit to their public image but they aren’t going to face any consequences.
100%. In the political climate we live in right now. I’m almost certain it’s going to be your outcome 2 and 3 with a sprinkling of outcome 1. The world is upside down right now my friend.
They got money. So they're automatically ok, unless the people hold them accountable. We need tk stand up and make them realize that money isn't everything. Life has consequences, and they need them. Bill them a billion dollars, they can all afford it. Take their assets, and courts that won't do it, get rid of them. This is our country, our government, they're taking OUR MONEY. LETS DEAL WITH THIS
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Trump will just claim that raping kids is an official presidential act.
Trump has had a vested interest in AI this presidency. I think that's relevant here... or it will be in the future
Real reason that AI is being pushed so hard. If it gets enough money and steals enough data, they can make it plausible enough to fool idiots into thinking anything bad is AI.
“This is fake news/AI” incoming in 3..2..1
And even if he committed these acts while NOT president, he can still think a retroactive pardon for himself into existence. Job done.
And the Supreme Court will agree and MAGA will Say he was undercover.
SCOTUS 6-3: "Yup!" 🤨
This trend of pictures and proof of famous and influential MFs with Epstein involved in rapey things everyday is one of the best advent calendars I've received from the world. Drop them all now, no matter who.
That's... that's not how advent calendars work
I know but I AM IMPATIENT
Oh you were one of those kids that just ripped open every door huh?
I would never, Jesus was watching. But Jesus is with me on this one; He says “LET’S F’ING GOOOOOOOO”
Tipping-tables-for-righteousness Jesus is my favorite Jesus.
*flipping. I like to picture my Jesus kicking over a table in a way that says “I’m here to fuck shit up.”
Eating all the chocolate in one go on christmas day is exactly how advent calendars work in my book.
They are even better when you get them after Christmas on sale
I’m not gonna lie if I was ringing up a customer who had a handful of them after Christmas I would not be able to not say “enjoy them you fat fuck”
(Though it’d be to myself in the self checkout line, but still)
Oh man, I was soooo geared up with some sort of scathing response. Well done.
Sorry, I read that as "...after Christmas on stale."
No no no, you eat the first one one piece a day, like you're supposed to. Then, on the first day the supermarkets are open after christmas you go buy 3-4 of them and treat them as heavily discounted boxes of fancy chocolate. Those are the ones you eat all at once.
Not on December 1st?
Wait, you're supposed to wait till Christmas??
We opening alllll the little doors asap.
It is when you buy all the clearance calanders on Christmas Eve
Nothing beats heavily discounted fancy chocolate between christmas and new years. ;)
It is when you're an adult with no supervision or patience. 😂
I BOUGHT THE CALENDAR! IF I WANT TO HUDDLE IN THE CORNER TEARING THE BOX APART AND EATING THE TREATS ALL AT ONCE LIKE A RAVID RACCOON THAT'S MY PREROGATIVE. ITS MY HOT BODY I DO WHAT I WANT!
It is if you’re stoned and impatient
Ooo. I can live with a bundle each day!
It is if you don’t have self control
Wait you don’t eat the chocolate all at once?
It’s exactly how it works for my 3 year old chasing a sugar high
That dude had day 25 opened on November 17th.
Nah, not in this climate. In an ordinary world, for sure, drop them all, let them all face immediate justice. In this fucked up world of ADHD attention spans, drop them sequentially and keep the story in the news through as many news cycles as possible.
I want every single one of these cunts - Bill, Woody, everybody - to have their own special time in the spotlight.
I can't wait for next weeks episode of the Pedo-Files.
I like the trickle. It keeps it in the public eye longer, which you need when you consider how ludicrously fast the modern news cycle is.
Think of it like Netflix dropping the whole season at once versus dropping an episode a week. If you binge watch the whole season in a day, you talk about it for the next week or two at most and that's pretty much it. If you're watching it week after week, you've got a fresh, constant source of gossip for as long as the show lasts. "Hey, did you see who showed up in The Epstein Files this week?" "I know, right?"
Yup. If they drop all the Epstein files today, Trump will drop a nuke on Venezuela next week and Epstein will be history.
Probably why the crown was so proactive with the prince. They know what was in the files.
Take their money and pay the victims and for those who have passed pay their families
Expose them all!
But it’s the little dribble of a photo here and a email there that pisses me off. Just fucking release something of substance and stop sprinkling “breaking news” bullshit.
I thought the same thing at first, but I think this is smart. December 19 is the deadline for the DOJ to release the files. If the Dems dump them all now, we’ll get some whiny bullshit about how the DOJ was working hard to comply and those mean old Dems didn’t give them a chance. It also keeps the topic at the forefront of people’s minds instead of allowing them to forget after a weekend.
It's about time. The full list of names needs to come out, now.
To what end? Trump owns the FBI, Congress, the courts. By the time November rolls around America will have forgotten. No, bit by bit you keep this in the news cycle, keep people engaged, and then drop the big shit in October
This is the correct answer. Bleed them out slowly and make America recognize what these monsters have done. Keep it in the news cycle.
The longer it drags out, the longer the GOP has to create other distractions and/or muddy the waters and cause the public to lose interest. Release them now
These are victims, of crimes. Not leverage.
And yet there will be no repercussions if Democrats dump 10,000 images in December and expect Americans to care by November. I'm sorry but that's not how this works. The best way to get justice for victims is to dethrone the Republican party, and to do that we need to win elections
And if you release the list with said victims without having some election win behind you. They’ll be rounded up and disappeared.
You’re risking their lives even more by not being smart
Are you dumb or are you evil?
Because its one or the other at this point.
Just think, what happens if they release all the proof when the people it will affect are in control of everything?
The only shot we have at justice is unfortunately dropping the proof when republicans lose the house and senate.
I’d love to live in a fantasy world like the one you depict where people actually remember the criminality occurring even weeks ago but unfortunately with social media and 24 hour billionaire owned propaganda “news” cycles that doesn’t even remotely exist anymore. It’s the reason they keep getting away with it. People forget then move onto the next scandal. Raping kids is something a majority of us plebs can unite on and in these trying times we need to unite more than ever to keep these sickos in check and hold them accountable for their depraved and heinous behavior.
Wow. Didn’t expect the downvotes. Just merely stating this is not a republican/democratic issue. It is a criminal issue. And people shouldn’t look at this as a “way” to get rid of people etc. the republicans own everything because of our own ignorance and enough of their party voting. These crimes happened prior to this administration (and possibly have many others of other administrations, counties, etc). All I meant was the hurt these victims went through shouldn’t be used politically. If there is political fallout from crimes committed, so be it. Unfortunately, I don’t trust the courts etc anymore as another user said, but let’s not lose sight of the actual issue at hand.
I’m not saying it shouod be used politically. I’m saying if this isn’t constantly in the headlines these guys will walk away with a slap on the wrist. Part of holding this class responsible is the shame. We need to shame them for their actions and have their crimes depicted over and over so people understand the punishment for this level of sadistic behavior. This is the elite class preying on innocent children. This goes far beyond politics. This is a global issue and the 99% need to nail these ghouls to the stake. All of them, no exceptions. This abuse will continue if this story loses focus.
Right. And that’s what I meant as well, maybe I said it wrong or didn’t explain myself well enough. These are terrible criminals.
Yeah releasing them now does nothing. You have to first elect someone who’s not on the list into the presidency.
Issue is until they release the full list we won’t know who.
Totally disagree. "We held onto this until it was most convenient for our partisan interests, so we set aside the interests of the victims, the idea of equality under the law, and the public right to know. We only released this information when it would do the most damage to our political opponents" is a terrible, terrible approach.
You don't play political games with serious crimes, and certainly not crimes of this type with children involved, especially at this scale.
Doing the right thing here, now, would also be doing the politically beneficial thing, so they really shouldn't blow it.
How would it be a politically beneficially thing to release them all now? These need to make a permanent mark on the psyche of America, otherwise none of these people will face consequences. You talk about the interest of the victims, how does releasing everything right now benefit the victims. These people will face no consequences and no prosecution if released in full today.
Does political expediency justify withholding from doing what is right?
Also, I think there's an assumption baked in here that acting hard and fast is somehow less effective than a slow burn. Instead, the imminence of a full dump should have every guilty party quaking in their boots, but every day that release can be delayed buys them a new opportunity to run interference.
Acting hard and fast is less effective. How is it wrong slow feeding this? Who is going to bring charges and prosecute this today? The ring leader in the White House? His minions?
If there's going to be accountability, it won't happen in the federal courts, but rather in the courts of public opinion. Much like moving a refrigerator that houses cockroaches, pulling back the veil will hit the powerful and wealthy with far greater efficacy than a slap-on-the-wrist punishment could.
...And yes, I have lost all faith in the legal system. Too many injustices have gone unchecked with impunity, and the bar for effective prosecution is far too high to be useful in quashing these problems. Not that it's an either-or scenario, and I hope for both legal and social justice in this situation, but one of the two can't be made to disappear by pulling the levers of high society.
And the American public has the attention span of a goldfish…
Less effective than the Merrick Garland approach of managing criminal cases with excessive deference to the electoral calendar? I'm not convinced.
If it leads to actual justice at the end
A slow burn or hard and fast doesn’t matter under the wrong administration.
Full dump wouldnt do anything.
Trump could go on stage. Read out the list. Say it was him.
And then what? You’d have to wait 3 years for an election. In 3 years the average public will care more about what the kardashians did that week then the list.
Frankly, my point is that playing politics with something as horrifying as this wouldn't be good politics. Using some of the most egregious cases of mass csa and child trafficking as little more than partisan political currency would confirm every stereotype of Dems, and every lazy claim of "both sides are terrible and are just defending partisan interests while ignoring the interests of regular people". Answering the question of why it was released in October 2026 and not now with "that was most convenient for our party" probably would make Dems sound like crass political opportunists, looking to seek advantage even in the suffering of children. It also makes Dems criticism of Republicans' withholding of the files pretty easy to criticize as hypocritical and self-interested.
That doesn't strike me as a winning electoral strategy.
Seriously? Are you suggesting that the victims who are calling for this info to be released are just interested in partisan politics, and not actual public acknowledgment of these crimes as well as justice?
Are you seriously saying that Trump's involvement in an international child trafficking ring -- at a minimum -- will just blow over in a matter of weeks? Do you think that Dems are so spectacularly incompetent that they can't make this a campaign issue unless it happens just a few weeks before the actual election?
This is one of those times where doing the right thing and the politically convenient thing are the same.
I’m struggling here. If I were one of the victims I could maybe get on board with these villains and my tragedy being used to get democracy back on track and take women’s rights back in a positive direction.
If you release them now under this administration he could round up the victims and throw them into a volcano and none of us would be elected into a high enough role to do anything about it.
The only way the victims have a shot at anything even close to justice is having a president who is not on the list. Everything else is a waste of time or even worse invoking danger to the victims.
I guess I'm just not buying the idea that releasing these now will result in mass amnesia within a few weeks.
I'm also not buying the idea that Dems using evidence of horrifying crimes against children for explicitly partisan purposes will be viewed as a good thing by anyone other than the people that would vote for Dems anyway. And it would just confirm accusations of manipulation, hypocrisy, "both sides", etc.
Releasing the evidence now doesn't mean that it somehow won't be there anymore in October 2026.
The Merrick Garland approach of managing these cases with excessive regard to the electoral calendar just doesn't seem like a great strategy to me.
Few weeks? I give it like a couple days. The next day Taylor swift comes out with an album and they’ll forget. The voting population has done this time and time again. Jan6 was a perfect example. Just a couple years later they forgot just how close to a terrible mess it could have been.
This is your main mistake. Many of the people on the list are democratic leadership. Clintons for example. Both parties are on the list
The people will forget or not care by mid January. Again mostly because the same media giants on said list will create spectacle and stuff to distract the people. Taylor will release an album, they’ll be some new scandal with the Kardashians, there will be a media blockout of the whole thing.
Reality is there’s only 1 win case in this whole thing.
Release them in an administration that will actually go after the crooks.
That’s it. Now if you don’t have that. It’s better to not release until you have that win case.
If you can use the release to have said win case become possible then do it.
They should wait until right before the elections before they decide the candidate. Release it.
Both all the dems and republicans on the list will be kicked out both primaries and the whole election will be about who’s the person who will go after the crooks.
That’s the window of opportunity. Anything else and you might as well just release them now and have everyone forget by January.
If I was Trump and in those files I’d probably wish to release them all now. So that it’s a non issue by 2028. They politicized a pandemic. Never underestimate the stupidity of folks.
This has literally been a huge issue for years now. I'm not sure why actually having the evidence would suddenly make it drop off everyone's radar.
This does nothing to address the point that withholding this information while excoriating Republicans for not releasing it won't appear hypocritical, calculating, or dishonest. And it would, in fact, be calculating.
With "both sides" manipulating the information for partisan purposes it becomes easier to claim that "both sides" are equally to blame in this. It nullifies the advantage that Dems should have.
Because the evidence somehow won't be there anymore if it gets released now? And now you're saying wait until 2028?
Why does releasing the information now make it impossible to prosecute later?
You do know that the evidence would still be there, right? And again, this has been an issue for the better part of a decade, but somehow nobody will pay attention to it once it's revealed to be as horrifying as everyone thought? People obsessed with it for 9 years, and then just drop it once the proof comes out? I'm just not buying that.
Again, I just don't think that the Merrick Garland approach is the way to go here.
Let’s take the two scenarios
They release it now. It gets politicized like Covid. Called a democrat hoax. The victims get disappeared or they get bought out/threatened. And yes the evidence can be destroyed. All three branches are under Trump. He has the capacity to do whatever to whomever whenever.. Because the state of congress he’s the current sole monarch. And by mid terms next year it’ll be treated like jan6.
Wait til the right moment. Use it to flip some of the seats to people who are not on the list. Which would be some Dems and republicans like Thomas Massie. You’ll need non Epstein list people running on both parties. Get enough votes. And get control of the house and senate.
Then you have atleast 1 of the three branches of government back. Impeaching doesn’t do anything since JD vance and Mike Johnson are just crazy. But you can atleast start some of the trials.
By 2028. You have a shot at voting in a president that can implement the results of those trials. Assuming the populous haven’t been
Otherwise you wait til 2028 and see if you can do all at once.
Regardless right now you have no pieces on the table. And this is a game of chess where time is the only pawn you have. You can promote that pawn and use it well. Or use it up.
And holding on to it and releasing it 9 months from now will change what, exactly? Do you think it won't get "politicized"? Do you think it won't be called a hoax? Do you think there won't be threats all around? Will Trump not have power in 9 months?
Everything you say here will also be true in 9 months. What's more, the accusations that it is "politicized" will be much more believable if -- and stick with me on this -- the Dems insist on withholding the information that they are calling on Republicans to release, and then make a political calculation to time the release to maximize partisan benefit? Why would accusations of "politicization" of the issue somehow hold less weight if the Dems are literally politicizing it by withholding the information that they have for political reasons?
Holding on to this does zero to undermine the Republican claims that you point to, and actually does quite a bit to make them more believable.
So you mean that Dems not releasing the information that Dems themselves are calling on Republicans to release will somehow shield them from accusations that they are hypocritical, cynical, just out for partisan gain, etc., when dealing with horrific crimes against children, allowing them to walk away with the midterms? And this fantasy is based on what, exactly? Was the Merrick Garland strategy of planning criminal prosecutions around the electoral calendar really that successful that its worth repeating?
And again, its not like the information will somehow vanish if it is released. On the contrary. An issue that has been a significant political issue for literally almost a decade now will somehow be totally dismissed or forgotten in a matter of weeks if all the horrifying, excruciating, damning details come out now? I see no reason to think that that is the case. On the contrary, I imagine there would be a huge backlash against Dems for holding onto this and manipulating it for partisan advantage. And that backlash would be understandable -- these are horrific crimes against children, not Trump cheating on his golf score.
I just don't see that Dems actually engaging in the cynical political manipulation of information over horrendous crimes in order to get maximum partisan political advantage would somehow shield them from accusations that they have engaged in cynical political manipulation of information of horrendous crimes in order to get maximum partisan political advantage. Making the accusations true doesn't somehow make them less powerful. And the accusations -- true or not -- will be there whenever the information is released, so it would be better if the accusations weren't true.
Plus, if the attention span of the public is truly as short as you say, by the time Dems release the information it will have long since ceased to be an issue, no?
Doing the right thing here is also the politically smart thing, and that is treating this criminal matter like a criminal matter, rather than only looking at it as a tool to gain partisan political advantage.
The Dems have a problem in that a whole lot of people think they don't stand for anything, and that they ignore principle. Holding onto this for an "October surprise" would just make that accusation impossible to counter.
And what will happen if you release it now? People will forget about it by the time the election is up. Maybe Trump starts a war with Venezuela and that takes up the press news. Whatever.
You believe for some reason the voters will care about this issue by the time it’s election season in October. I don’t think they care about anything that happened unless it happened in like the past month.
This is the major difference between our two positions. You can have your opinion but sadly I think every historical record on voting is more aligned with my side.
Voters will not care about something that didn’t happen in the past month.
Doesn’t matter how egregious. Jan6 proved this. Covid proved this. The failed infinite wars to nowhere proved this. The banking mess of 2008 proved this.
Each of this should be events to change the voters and it didn’t. They don’t care about anything that happens more than like 2 months back. It is what’s is. Rather then blaming them play by the rules they set
Yep. Because those people are legit evil enough to start a series of full scale wars if it allows them to bury this in the news cycle.
Trump hopefully won’t be in power a few years from now. The actions of those in law enforcement now could results in hefty prison sentences down the road. I’d rather lose my job now than spend a decade or two in prison later.
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I really wish everyone would stop simplifying the investigation just to "the list". There isn't going to be a singular list of confirmed sex criminals there is going to be a series of evidence that implicates a variety of people in a variety of crimes as well as simple witnesses, associates, victims etc.
I am conflicted on the topic of releasing pictures that includes sexual acts. On one hand, people won't believe these people are guilty unless given absolute proof, which the pictures would do. On the other hand, we'd have to censor the pictures a lot as to not harm the victims, which could lead to people questioning the validity of the pictures.
Really, pedophile defenders won't take anything to stop defending pedophiles.
Idk maybe the recent years have taken my cynicism to new heights, but won’t people claim ai or something if the pictures get released, edited or not? Anything but hold any pederasses accountable.
Definitely. I saw a politician make a statement in one of his videos so controversial that he deleted it and when his political opponent reposted the deleted part, some people called it ai.
I always thought the first main push for AI, being image generation, was for psychology manipulation and plausible deniability.
Once this Epstein Files case came up, they have been shoving AI in our faces as much as possible.
There's a video going around where a Trump supporter calls into a podcast and asks what's wrong with CSA and wouldn't care if Trump was proven to have done it
In a world where teenagers sending each other nudes have been arrested and charged with production and distribution of child pornography...do we really believe that the DOJ, currently staffed by criminals ferociously devoted to defending the chief pedophile at all costs, WON'T arrest people for releasing proof of his crimes for distribution of child porn?
People here are dumb as fuck. Thry arent going to release sex photos to the public. ESPECIALLY of children
I love that they are starting with the least damning info and pictures and working their way up to the really bad stuff, drip drop. I hope lots of powerful men are scared for Christmas. Not that I expect the really gross stuff will be shown to the public, nor should it.
I seriously doubt they’re terrified. Nothing will ever happen to any of these chomo’s.
That’s how I feel. I don’t feel like anyone will be held accountable because there’s a huge population in this country who just don’t care as long as Republicans are in charge.
Same. Trumpers will not care. They only care because they think it's only Democrats involved. Trump and his enablers in government will continue to ignore it and create more distractions until the public forgets. Also practically all of the media outlets are owned by his billionaire buddies. So any info/pics about Trump having sex with underaged girls will only get a brief mention on the news, if at all.
We're barely 1 year into this shit, and I don't think the US will ever recover from his second presidency.
I don’t care about the pics, I want the financial records of funds sent to Epstein that the Treasury currently has. That’s the client list.
Both are possibile
ARREST. THEM. ALL.
Idc what party they're from. Pedo scum belongs in jail!!!
Who’s going to arrest and and prosecute them? Pam Bondi? Kashyap Patel? Really?
Sigh, I know. I know. A girl can dream.
(And also doubling down on the sentiment idgaf what party you are or what good you've done. Kiddy diddlers deserve death)
I'm loving the fact that Woody Allen being in the Epstein Files is only strengthening the case for Dylan, Ronan's & Mia's sexual abuse claims (it's batshit crazy that his involvement with an underaged Soon-Yi wasn't enough to give his supporters pause)
This should be very validating for the Farrows after decades of watching many powerful & influential people have Woody's back
Anyone that defends that man should be persona non grata. The man's right up there with Polanski in my book
ScarJo’s PR might need to remind her to keep her trap shut.
He has two adopted daughters. Has anyone checked on them?
No shit? TIL.
Absolutely hate that.
On the current evidence, he is far worse than Polanski.
The only way to fix this is to tax the wealthy back down to earth and use the funds to rebuild the America they have destroyed.
Nah. I’m sure the money will start trickling down soon.
Then release them. Release everything associated with it, and don't redact a single thing. Blur out victim faces and release every damn ounce of material you have to the public.
Then release them. All they’re doing is making people numb to it.
I think releasing them all would actually make people numb to it. Given how our current news cycle is, if they released them all now, by next week, the news will stop talking about it, and by next month, the people will too.
But by trickling them out, you keep the story relevant for longer.
Trickling them out gives the impression that there is no smoking gun. It’s exhausting. It gives MAGA coverage — see? If they had anything Biden would have released it. Allll my MAGA family says this.
I’ll bet if Mike Johnson posted them somewhere no one would even bat an eye because it would just seem normal for him…☠️
He'd have to get permission from his "son" due to looking at too much porn.
Can we just fast forward to the point where all of these pedophiles are tried, convicted and imprisoned? I know the economy is going to collapse. I know shit is going to get way worse. Why delay the inevitable? Let's just get it over with and get started on fixing shit
Tried, convicted, jailed and pardoned by the President.
Release it all and arrest all the guilty ones. Dems, republicans, independents, billionaires and movie stars, if tried and convicted send them to prison!
Getting real tired of people waiting for Trump's admin to do the right thing. They aren't going to, not even with this pressure, it just is never going to happen. Just release everything you have and let the cards fall where they do.
It's a controlled demolition
If there are photos of criminal conduct, why aren’t there arrests?
I wonder if it has anything to do with one of the main perpetrators being in charge of the FBI and the DOJ…
Who’s going to arrest and and prosecute them? Pam Bondi? Kashyap Patel? Really?
Afraid of what exactly? Worst case scenario is a couple years at club fed. The rich don't face justice in the United States.
I think it’s important to remember, when all this comes out, that there were tons of people that were trying to cover it up. They saw pictures of kids being raped and thought “we need to protect these rapists!”
God dammit, now I have to stop watching Woody Allen movies TOO?! 😞🥀
Yep, no more Woody Allen. Big surprise, right? But we still have R. Kelly, Mel Gibson, and Kevin Spacey.
Ok that was pretty funny
I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm of not.
No
Good, cause the boring movie making kid toucher has been a pile of shit for decades.
Woody Allen and Dershowitz in the newly released photos…I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Drop the pics. Time to clean house and set things right. Fuck these privileged abusers.
Put Them All In Jail
I don’t buy that powerful men are terrified. Maybe the low level ones like Trump, but not the truly wealthy and powerful. Sure, they’ll take a hit to their public image but they aren’t going to face any consequences.
Don’t worry, ScarJo will defend Woody Allen 😤
Is that Woody Allen? NOT WOODY ALLEN!!! If we can’t trust Woody Allen anymore, who can we trust?!? /s
"Can we see them?"
"Uuuum...no. We have to protect people's right to privacy."
This is the bullshit that’s coming.
I see three possible outcomes. People overwhelmingly vote out Republicans, pedos are normalized and legalized, or nothing happens.
100%. In the political climate we live in right now. I’m almost certain it’s going to be your outcome 2 and 3 with a sprinkling of outcome 1. The world is upside down right now my friend.
I know it's going to be #2 but I remain hopeful for a nice #1.
Can we tick tock a little faster please?
I really hope the people are prepared to do something about this when the justice system completely ignores this
Post the pics on porn hub.
Are you asking the government to post child porn on porn hub? Surely there is a safer way to do that
Then they're going to shutdown pornhub.
Release as torrent and let it spread.
Pornhub and the like are already restricted in my state.
Wait, they weren’t there just for margaritas on the beach?
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I am absolutely saying Trumps involvement—his direction and leadership even—will blow over in a matter of weeks
Release the Bubba Job.
They got money. So they're automatically ok, unless the people hold them accountable. We need tk stand up and make them realize that money isn't everything. Life has consequences, and they need them. Bill them a billion dollars, they can all afford it. Take their assets, and courts that won't do it, get rid of them. This is our country, our government, they're taking OUR MONEY. LETS DEAL WITH THIS
I'm really disappointed in TMZ right now...
Venezuela is about to receive some freedom to try and distract from this shit show.
Here's hoping the shit show keeps being front and center throughout the whole media.
So is thus sub a white people of twitter ?