This happened in my city, I go to that zoo every month to take photos.
The guy was schizophrenic and had no ongoing treatment. Also an obsession about "taking care of lions".
He once sneaked in the local airport and managed to get himself inside the cargo area of a plane before being caught. He wanted to go to Africa to get close to the lions.
He climbed a fence and got down through a tree in less than 2 minutes. The lioness immediately jumped into him right as he was getting out of the tree. She killed him in a few minutes.
EDIT: Also, the enclosure they keep that lioness is absolutely cruel. Too little space and the only enrichment she has as far as I can remember is an old rubber car tire.
The first hand report I heard was even more sad, (not saying this guy is wrong) but one of the people had said it actually took 12 minutes while the crowd was screaming at the lion from different areas trying to get it's attention.
Horrible way to go, and tragic it was very most likely caused by a terrifying mental state to live in.
I agree it is terrible, but I have to say that I am happy that the lioness was not killed while doing something that is natural for her. This timeline sucks already. I’m not ready for this timeline to split into a worse version of the harambe one we are already living in
Correct. Luckily, the animals are still not killed usually. It still sucks for the keepers since the animal potentially got more dangerous. But if the zoo and the keepers both do a good job, it's a manageable risk.
Yes and no. Once humans are “concreted” into that understanding by actually doing it, then it becomes a larger issue. Not sure how it is with cats, but once a bear kills someone on the trail they have to be put down, otherwise they start actively seeking us out as prey, which they normally wouldn’t. Again this is bears, but I can imagine the same function could apply to a lion.
idk about being mauled, but I hemhorraged while in labor and once the blood loss hits, the pain is the first thing to go right along with your sense of balance.
Going into shock is surreal and really hard to explain to people who have never experienced it. It's like parts of you just shut off, some of them turn down and others just work fine.
As someone whom has been mauled (back when I was around 12yo) The adrenaline takes over.
You hardly feel it. As in... you don't feel intense pain. You do feel the teeth sinking into your flesh and you do feel the violent movements. But not intense pain.
In my case it was luckily 'just' a German shepherd
I walked away with only 60+ stitches in my back & legs
In my case the whole attack maybe lasted around 4 minutes? But it felt like hours
I like the idea that the brain dance market contributes to cyberpsychosis. If you have experienced death multiple times in BD’s you’re more willing to risk over modification.
‘A braindance, commonly abbreviated to BD, is a technology that allows to record and play back someone's experience, including their physical sensations, emotions, and thoughts.’
That's one of the best episodes, it's the one where the girl goes to the museum.
He got addicted to it because he linked into someone in the moment that they died. He experienced a tidal wave of endorphins and euphoria as the patient died, and it destroyed his brain.
He started mutilating himself in an attempt to experience anything remotely similar to that, and by the end of the episode he's linking into people and murdering them to try and relive it.
That may be correct for some people in some situations but it absolutely doesn't apply to everyone in every situation. For every person that lives to write about "I didn't feel it until the adrenaline wore off" there's 100 people who write "it was instant, searing, ripping pain...."
There is no universal rule. Nothing dictates who and how.
You'd likely be experiencing very little pain within seconds.
As soon as this starts your adrenaline levels would be through the roof and should take away all the pain. Just like when soldiers get shot or get limbs blown off in combat and don't even notice it, adrenaline can take away 100% of your pain. It'll hurt like hell still later but there is no later if you're being mauled to death.
Yeah, you watch too many movies. Adrenaline-induced analgesia is different for everyone, and situation dependent. And can last from seconds, to minutes. But it's not a guarantee. And it's not "100%". You can't just say "it'll reduce their pain 100%". It's not a law.
You're not worried about it lasting if you're being mauled, the adrenaline isn't exactly stopping in that situation.
Also no I am not getting this from movies. What I said is based on my personal experience and what I've heard serving in the military for 7 years.... But go ahead and assume whatever makes you right.
A few minutes is a very short time to die outside of being shot in the head or heart, or having instant massive trauma from something like a motorcycle crash.
Your body is real good at holding on as long as possible, a lot better at it than something like a deer or kangaroo where they just die from being startled and uninjured.
Dying is not like the movies, it is generally prolonged and agonizing.
Also ive never shot a kangaroo, but ive shot plenty of deer, and they don't just die from being afraid? What? Why would we use guns if you could scare them to death? Have hunters throughout human civilization been hunting wrong all this time? Should we be wearing scary masks and screaming "boo" from our tree stands?
Deer are tough as fuck. Most prey animals are because to show pain is to show that you're vulnerable to attack. I've chased down a deer I shot for 20 minutes before finally finishing it off. I've seen a video of a deer missing a quarter of it's entire back, open to the body cavity, likely cleved off by a combine. It was just walked around the woods like normal. They don't die from being startled lol.
"A few minutes is a terribly long time to be mauled to death"
‐----------> Ackshually
Bro a few minutes is a long fucking time to die such a violent death, being completely aware of what's happening to you. Smelling the blood? Watching your living body being crudly processed into meat inside a lions jaw? And a few minutes is fairly quick? Idk how you rate possible deaths, but I'd rather die by nearly any other means than that. "Fairly quickly". Compared to what??? Cancer??
Even sadder is the child welfare counselor responsible for Gerson ever since he was admitted to an orphanage at the age of 8 (both his mother and grandma had schizophrenia so the state took custody of her 4 children away) said he routinely committed petty crimes just to be institutionalized, because there people would feed and medicate him. But after his time was up, since he was not a minor anymore they had to throw him back into the street and he had nowhere to go. Since he was schizophrenic, he eventually relapsed and stopped taking his meds.
Even the local PD knew him and even called him by a nickname (Vaqueirinho, "Little Rancher") and always did their best to calm him down and take him to the station. All they could do was let that social worker know Gerson had again been apprehended and then let him go after spending a night in the holding cell. I think this happened 11 times.
Yeah I'm pretty annoyed with everyone who's been making fun of this. (not necessarily this comment section but I've seen a ton of people doing this on other subreddits).
I've known some really sweet people with schizophrenia, it's sad he wasn't getting the proper treatment.
I'm equally moved and horrified by the data about how schizophrenia presents in other cultures. When religions aren't based in shame, hate, othering, and control, the voices schizophrenics hear uplift and assure them. Our most vulnerable souls are haunted by the violent judgement of our heartless systems.
Not every religion in western culture, or even every Christian church is actually like that. And just because someone's schizophrenia is presenting in a different way than it's portrayed in horror movies doesn't mean that person should remain unmedicated.
Yeah "uplifting" voices can easily turn into delusional voice telling you you're invincible.
Made some friends with schizophrenia but they've been medicated but it still seems like an almost helliah experience. All people see is them being crazy, though, and its awful to see them have an episode.
Was the lion okay after? Knowing the kid had psychological problems makes it sad (if it was a normal kid being a jack ass id make a joke) ...but i hope the lion wasn't put down
No reason to put the lion down. Lion acted like a lion.
The Gorilla Harembe case was different because the kid was still safe and it was preemptive with an unpredictable wild animal that could kill the kid in an instant.
The lioness can go back to living in a small dull enclosure with no interaction or well being. I hate it for the victim but hate it for the lioness too.
There used to be a polar bear in an enclosure in a zoo near me. Similarly, the enclosure was much too small for the animal and there was nothing for it to do except jump in the pool of water.
It used to just pace back and forth and it used to freak me out just how much stress it seemed to have had built up with nowhere to release.
I only take pictures of the people and flora there, never the animals. And sometimes I take photos of the shitty enclosures to document it (they also have some good ones, to be fair).
I avoid entirely looking at the animals and I actively advocate for people not to visit the zoo, although they do have some good conservation programs.
The photos I share never say where they were taken. The "zoo" is actually a park, aka the part I actually photograph. I don't photograph the actual zoo with exception of the documenting I explained above.
The problem is exactly because they're extremely poorly funded, it used to be much worse in the past decades (I've known it for over 30 years).
The $0.30 admission fee doesn't matter enough to count as me supporting the "zoo part", as I only take participation of the park and I feel my advocation against it evens it out.
It's okay if you have different moral views, but I have a clean conscience in this regard.
EDIT: Also, my first comment got 85k impressions in less than an hour. Had I not known and wrote about the zoo conditions, that's 85k+ less people in the world that wouldn't know and I wouldn't have told about it.
You don't have to explain yourself to a bunch of sanctimonious pricks.
Thanks for bringing attention to the issue.
Edit: to the guy who responded: you just visited a thread and watched images of a zoo you imply is bad for animals. Expect people to ask why, that's how conversation works. Repent your evil ways. 🤡
If you come on the internet and claim you regularly visit a zoo that you deem bad for the animals, then expect people to ask why.
No one owes anyone an explanation about anything, but that’s how conversation works.
This happened in Brazil, at The Zoo of João Pessoa if not mistaken. The guy that climbed her enclosure had a history of schizophrenia. Later the Zoo released a note stating that she is fine and under observation. They also stated that euthanasia was not even cogitated.
Well I came to fuck with you about the use of cogitated but after a quick search, it seems that I'm actually the dumbass who has never heard nor seen that word. I'll just be over here in the corner, cogitating about being mauled by a lioness for my stupidity.
I kind of figured that was what happened after I learned it was actually a word. I know that translations can use some tricky words sometimes. I can imagine myself in a country where I'm not fluent in the language. Trying to use a translator app or something, and it throws a word similar to cogitating in their language, and everyone looks at me crazy.
“Following the incident, she was immediately evaluated by the technical team and remains under continuous observation and monitoring, as she experienced a high level of stress,” the park wrote.
It emphasized that euthanizing the animal was and is not a consideration, as Leona is healthy and does not display patterns of aggressive behaviour outside the context of the incident.
“The protocol for situations like this outlines exactly what is being done: monitoring, behavioural assessment, and specialized care,” the statement says, adding that staff are dedicated to ensuring she recovers.
It's the exact face my one cat made after watching the other have a stroke. Stared at us the entire time while we tended to him, and didn't move until we approached her.
Story is sad all around. Dude had untreated mental issues, schizophrenic mom and grandma and was in the system since he was a child. All siblings were adopted but him and so on. I feel bad for both
The article literally says he went in there wanting to care for them. Immediately made me think of that autistic girl who is obsessed with lions on Love on the Spectrum.
People with schizophrenia who are having an episode are not able to think clearly and make rational decisions.
Apparently the guy was in serious need of mental help and was not receiving it. It's even speculated that this was suicide. Why he chose this as his way out, I will never know, but it's pretty damn sad.
It was an adult with the IQ of a 5 year old according to those that knew him. I’ve got some sympathy for him too. Not really anyone’s fault. You can’t expect these enclosures to be engineered for an adult to be unable to find a way to enter them.
Oh, you should absolutely expect these enclosures to be engineered so a human couldn't get into it.
People try to sneak into wild animal enclosures more often than you would think. When I worked at a zoo, there were attempts. One thing that is taken in consideration when building a new enclosure is "can an adult get into this enclosure?".
On another note. Id like to hear stories of near death experiences this person must of had. Climbing into a lion cage wasn't his first "im invincible" moment.
You’d have to be crazy to climb into a lion enclosure, which means he was probably crazy.
I would of course feel sorry for him if mental illness was the cause
If you can track down the video, she really does look traumatized and upset about the entire thing right after. She's off to the side away from the body just kind of breathing hard with a 1000 yard stare.
It's not my comment, but with her pupils contracting like that, her lower posture to the ground, and her ears back all indicate a heightened emotional state. This has a range of course, but based on what happened to her and her body language we can infer she is probably scared or at the very least extremely excitable.
When lethal force is used, it's usually because there is a live human that can be retrieved and immediate danger to them (either because the animal has gotten out or they have gotten in). The lioness ...took care of that herself, so there isn't really a reason to euthanize her-- at that point, after removing her from the enclosure, they aren't working against a time limit to save someone or prevent them from bleeding out, it's body retrieval vs rescue.
I always find it disturbing how an incident like this causes some people to make lots of effort to be seen expressing total concern for the animal and absolutely none for any human who might be involved. It's a behavior adjacent to those who freak out over the possibility of a dog being harmed in a horror movie but can't manufacture empathy for the human characters.
It's wonderful that she won't be euthanized.
Someone's child died.
EDIT: Downvoting me for saying this is absolutely in alignment with what I'm talking about here.
I suspect people might think I was being sarcastic by saying that it’s wonderful that the animal isn’t being euthanized. I’m not being sarcastic about it. I don’t think it makes sense to euthanize an animal for responding to a situation like an animal would. I’m legitimately glad they’re not euthanizing her.
I think it's reasonable that people are tired of people and tired of seeing animals suffer because of predicaments we put them in. There's already only so many lions out in the wild, because of us. They're all at risk of being killed by us, or they're already confined to captivity because of us.
On the other hand, there's a lot of schizophrenics out there who die from otherwise very preventable circumstances. Nobody's really getting bent out out shape about them. It's maybe even harder to, especially in a situation like this when people suffering from schizophrenia are generally not often competing for sympathy or justice with biodiversity.
There is a pretty sad story behind all that. Poor dude suffered from mental illness and negligence, saw all his younger siblings getting adopted and being left behind. His therapist came out saying that he dreamed about visiting savannas and watching the Lions. He even tried to get into a plane by hiding in the landing gear but with no sucess. His last try to acomplish his dream is what caused all that.
I thought it was a 19 year old male LION as I just saw a lioness give a smackdown to a fully-maned male LION who dared bat her cub. No chance for a human, oof...
Visiting the Ngorongoro park in Tanzania i once saw a lioness take out and maul a wildebeest the size of a cow in a flash from up close. The way the lion transformed from a big pussycat, lazy spreadout on the ground to an absolute murder machine in seconds really shocked me. Best to stay inside the car. An unarmed human has no chance against a lion out for the kill. None whatsoever.
“19 year old male” does not read like a human. My first reaction was “lions live that long?”. Calling a woman a female is cringe, it’s the same both ways. Call him a 19 year old man, boy, hautist, maybe even slightly regarded, but he was a human dammit.
This happened in my city, I go to that zoo every month to take photos.
The guy was schizophrenic and had no ongoing treatment. Also an obsession about "taking care of lions".
He once sneaked in the local airport and managed to get himself inside the cargo area of a plane before being caught. He wanted to go to Africa to get close to the lions.
He climbed a fence and got down through a tree in less than 2 minutes. The lioness immediately jumped into him right as he was getting out of the tree. She killed him in a few minutes.
EDIT: Also, the enclosure they keep that lioness is absolutely cruel. Too little space and the only enrichment she has as far as I can remember is an old rubber car tire.
Thank you for the info. Very sad.
The first hand report I heard was even more sad, (not saying this guy is wrong) but one of the people had said it actually took 12 minutes while the crowd was screaming at the lion from different areas trying to get it's attention.
Horrible way to go, and tragic it was very most likely caused by a terrifying mental state to live in.
I agree it is terrible, but I have to say that I am happy that the lioness was not killed while doing something that is natural for her. This timeline sucks already. I’m not ready for this timeline to split into a worse version of the harambe one we are already living in
I came here to find out whether they killed the lioness.
Correct reaction — it's simply natural for the lioness.
It might be an issue with predators since they might learn humans can be food, which is an issue for the zookeepers and caretakers.
Correct. Luckily, the animals are still not killed usually. It still sucks for the keepers since the animal potentially got more dangerous. But if the zoo and the keepers both do a good job, it's a manageable risk.
I feel like part of the problem is they already kind of know that anything they want can pretty much be food...
Yes and no. Once humans are “concreted” into that understanding by actually doing it, then it becomes a larger issue. Not sure how it is with cats, but once a bear kills someone on the trail they have to be put down, otherwise they start actively seeking us out as prey, which they normally wouldn’t. Again this is bears, but I can imagine the same function could apply to a lion.
RIP Harambe and this person who just passed away...
Dicks out for Harambe
I saw the video. It didn’t take that long.
A few minutes sounds like a terribly long time to be mauled to death
Makes you wonder if the pain fades as you die or if your last moment is consumed by overwhelming pain.
the last thing your brain does is pump you with dopamine, serotonin and adrenaline, right then and there pain is secondary
Thank you
And most arent even conscious.
idk about being mauled, but I hemhorraged while in labor and once the blood loss hits, the pain is the first thing to go right along with your sense of balance.
Going into shock is surreal and really hard to explain to people who have never experienced it. It's like parts of you just shut off, some of them turn down and others just work fine.
As someone whom has been mauled (back when I was around 12yo) The adrenaline takes over. You hardly feel it. As in... you don't feel intense pain. You do feel the teeth sinking into your flesh and you do feel the violent movements. But not intense pain.
In my case it was luckily 'just' a German shepherd I walked away with only 60+ stitches in my back & legs
In my case the whole attack maybe lasted around 4 minutes? But it felt like hours
jesus christ
What a terrifying thought...
Would you like to experience it if it were possible to simulate that experience without any actual harm to the body?
Bruh
Like a braindance?
I like the idea that the brain dance market contributes to cyberpsychosis. If you have experienced death multiple times in BD’s you’re more willing to risk over modification.
Tbf, those are xbds which are kinda bootleg scop your normal choom ain't gonna find
But I know a guy on JigJig street.
BD's?
Brain-dance. It’s from Cyberpunk 2077.
‘A braindance, commonly abbreviated to BD, is a technology that allows to record and play back someone's experience, including their physical sensations, emotions, and thoughts.’
Sounds like the plot device of some movies, notably Brainstorm (1983), and Strange Days (1995). Also Neo's side hustle in The Matrix.
Braindance from the Cyberpunk universe. Essentially a vr experience where you can fully experience an event from someone else’s perspective: https://youtu.be/YRL74JmhVgk?si=-gMg_snGwV65jKvg
Wasn't there a black mirror episode where some doctor felt other people's pain and got addicted to it or something like that?
That's one of the best episodes, it's the one where the girl goes to the museum.
He got addicted to it because he linked into someone in the moment that they died. He experienced a tidal wave of endorphins and euphoria as the patient died, and it destroyed his brain.
He started mutilating himself in an attempt to experience anything remotely similar to that, and by the end of the episode he's linking into people and murdering them to try and relive it.
That's the one I'm thinking of!
Okay, fucken hellraiser
I love this question because it reminds me of the book The Giver, which I really liked as a young adult
If yes, you might like Salvia
A lot of pain, then from what I've read you go into shock, then it's just something that's happening to you, then your light's go out.
Of course, I have no intention of finding out, so take that with a big fat grain of salt.
That may be correct for some people in some situations but it absolutely doesn't apply to everyone in every situation. For every person that lives to write about "I didn't feel it until the adrenaline wore off" there's 100 people who write "it was instant, searing, ripping pain...."
There is no universal rule. Nothing dictates who and how.
You'd likely be experiencing very little pain within seconds.
As soon as this starts your adrenaline levels would be through the roof and should take away all the pain. Just like when soldiers get shot or get limbs blown off in combat and don't even notice it, adrenaline can take away 100% of your pain. It'll hurt like hell still later but there is no later if you're being mauled to death.
Yeah, you watch too many movies. Adrenaline-induced analgesia is different for everyone, and situation dependent. And can last from seconds, to minutes. But it's not a guarantee. And it's not "100%". You can't just say "it'll reduce their pain 100%". It's not a law.
You're not worried about it lasting if you're being mauled, the adrenaline isn't exactly stopping in that situation.
Also no I am not getting this from movies. What I said is based on my personal experience and what I've heard serving in the military for 7 years.... But go ahead and assume whatever makes you right.
A few minutes is a very short time to die outside of being shot in the head or heart, or having instant massive trauma from something like a motorcycle crash.
Your body is real good at holding on as long as possible, a lot better at it than something like a deer or kangaroo where they just die from being startled and uninjured.
Dying is not like the movies, it is generally prolonged and agonizing.
Also ive never shot a kangaroo, but ive shot plenty of deer, and they don't just die from being afraid? What? Why would we use guns if you could scare them to death? Have hunters throughout human civilization been hunting wrong all this time? Should we be wearing scary masks and screaming "boo" from our tree stands?
I live in Australia and if kangaroos routinely ‘die from being startled’ it’s news to me.
So many dumb fucking comments on this website.
Deer are tough as fuck. Most prey animals are because to show pain is to show that you're vulnerable to attack. I've chased down a deer I shot for 20 minutes before finally finishing it off. I've seen a video of a deer missing a quarter of it's entire back, open to the body cavity, likely cleved off by a combine. It was just walked around the woods like normal. They don't die from being startled lol.
What conversation are you having lmao.
Just pointing out that the lion did the deed fairly quick.
what I think the original guy meant, 2 minutes in those circumstances can feel like a very long time
"A few minutes is a terribly long time to be mauled to death" ‐----------> Ackshually
Bro a few minutes is a long fucking time to die such a violent death, being completely aware of what's happening to you. Smelling the blood? Watching your living body being crudly processed into meat inside a lions jaw? And a few minutes is fairly quick? Idk how you rate possible deaths, but I'd rather die by nearly any other means than that. "Fairly quickly". Compared to what??? Cancer??
Even sadder is the child welfare counselor responsible for Gerson ever since he was admitted to an orphanage at the age of 8 (both his mother and grandma had schizophrenia so the state took custody of her 4 children away) said he routinely committed petty crimes just to be institutionalized, because there people would feed and medicate him. But after his time was up, since he was not a minor anymore they had to throw him back into the street and he had nowhere to go. Since he was schizophrenic, he eventually relapsed and stopped taking his meds.
Even the local PD knew him and even called him by a nickname (Vaqueirinho, "Little Rancher") and always did their best to calm him down and take him to the station. All they could do was let that social worker know Gerson had again been apprehended and then let him go after spending a night in the holding cell. I think this happened 11 times.
Truly a tragedy. The State failed him.
Genuine question but why do you keep going back to that zoo (and thus supporting it) if you think it treats the animals cruelly?
I explain it on this comment here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/DqUQN0ef8p
Yeah I'm pretty annoyed with everyone who's been making fun of this. (not necessarily this comment section but I've seen a ton of people doing this on other subreddits).
I've known some really sweet people with schizophrenia, it's sad he wasn't getting the proper treatment.
Exactly
I'm equally moved and horrified by the data about how schizophrenia presents in other cultures. When religions aren't based in shame, hate, othering, and control, the voices schizophrenics hear uplift and assure them. Our most vulnerable souls are haunted by the violent judgement of our heartless systems.
Not every religion in western culture, or even every Christian church is actually like that. And just because someone's schizophrenia is presenting in a different way than it's portrayed in horror movies doesn't mean that person should remain unmedicated.
Yeah "uplifting" voices can easily turn into delusional voice telling you you're invincible.
Made some friends with schizophrenia but they've been medicated but it still seems like an almost helliah experience. All people see is them being crazy, though, and its awful to see them have an episode.
Reddit is full of privileged people who despite that, are still so miserable they are unable to tap into even a grain of empathy for others.
Was the lion okay after? Knowing the kid had psychological problems makes it sad (if it was a normal kid being a jack ass id make a joke) ...but i hope the lion wasn't put down
Lioness is ok and is not being put down.
Thanks! She looks scared glad she is ok
I hate to be a dick but is there a source for that?
Sure. It's in Portuguese, though.
https://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/2025-12-01/zoologico-de-joao-pessoa-afirma-que-leoa-que-matou-jovem-nao-sera-sacrificada.html
I appreciate it!
https://globalnews.ca/news/11554260/man-mauled-killed-lion-brazil/amp/
English language source.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11554260/man-mauled-killed-lion-brazil/
No reason to put the lion down. Lion acted like a lion.
The Gorilla Harembe case was different because the kid was still safe and it was preemptive with an unpredictable wild animal that could kill the kid in an instant.
The lioness can go back to living in a small dull enclosure with no interaction or well being. I hate it for the victim but hate it for the lioness too.
Fair take. It is unfortunate the lioness is at a zoo in the first place
RIP Harambe 😭
u/shittymorph has given me trust issues. Halfway through this tragic tale, I had to check the username
I miss stumbling across those comments. Hope that dude is all good.
He still shows up every couple of months. When you least expect it.
There used to be a polar bear in an enclosure in a zoo near me. Similarly, the enclosure was much too small for the animal and there was nothing for it to do except jump in the pool of water.
It used to just pace back and forth and it used to freak me out just how much stress it seemed to have had built up with nowhere to release.
Poor kid, he probably had no idea what was going on. What a tragedy.
Thanks for the info, but why continue to support such a cruel zoo?
I only take pictures of the people and flora there, never the animals. And sometimes I take photos of the shitty enclosures to document it (they also have some good ones, to be fair).
I avoid entirely looking at the animals and I actively advocate for people not to visit the zoo, although they do have some good conservation programs.
The photos I share never say where they were taken. The "zoo" is actually a park, aka the part I actually photograph. I don't photograph the actual zoo with exception of the documenting I explained above.
The problem is exactly because they're extremely poorly funded, it used to be much worse in the past decades (I've known it for over 30 years).
The $0.30 admission fee doesn't matter enough to count as me supporting the "zoo part", as I only take participation of the park and I feel my advocation against it evens it out.
It's okay if you have different moral views, but I have a clean conscience in this regard.
EDIT: Also, my first comment got 85k impressions in less than an hour. Had I not known and wrote about the zoo conditions, that's 85k+ less people in the world that wouldn't know and I wouldn't have told about it.
Did you mean flora?
Yes, I did. Thanks for the correction, I'm tired.
You don't have to explain yourself to a bunch of sanctimonious pricks.
Thanks for bringing attention to the issue.
Edit: to the guy who responded: you just visited a thread and watched images of a zoo you imply is bad for animals. Expect people to ask why, that's how conversation works. Repent your evil ways. 🤡
If you come on the internet and claim you regularly visit a zoo that you deem bad for the animals, then expect people to ask why. No one owes anyone an explanation about anything, but that’s how conversation works.
Sad
Well, he did feed them.
Sounds like he died doing what he loved
We treat the mentally ill like animals and we treat animals even worse. Leave this beautiful beasts where they belong.
That's a stare i would never want to come across...
If she’s anything like my cat, she’s like “And I would do that shit again.”
"And i didnt even eat....yet"
Sugar rushing toddler
Type of look that gives you primal fear
I bet this Lion gets way more respect now
She looks fuckin activated.
I completely understand what you mean and are saying. But this made me laugh hysterically 😂. The wording 😂
"Are you gonna give me enough food from now on or what?"
This happened in Brazil, at The Zoo of João Pessoa if not mistaken. The guy that climbed her enclosure had a history of schizophrenia. Later the Zoo released a note stating that she is fine and under observation. They also stated that euthanasia was not even cogitated.
For the people too lazy to search up the word.
Cogitated = To think over / To Plan
Uh huh and youth in Asia what’s that?
Cogito, ergo sum
Well I came to fuck with you about the use of cogitated but after a quick search, it seems that I'm actually the dumbass who has never heard nor seen that word. I'll just be over here in the corner, cogitating about being mauled by a lioness for my stupidity.
Sometimes us, not native speakers, use "sophisticated" words just because they are similar to a common word in our language 😬
"Cogitado" is very common in Portuguese
I kind of figured that was what happened after I learned it was actually a word. I know that translations can use some tricky words sometimes. I can imagine myself in a country where I'm not fluent in the language. Trying to use a translator app or something, and it throws a word similar to cogitating in their language, and everyone looks at me crazy.
Haha I can give you an example from English to Portuguese: “Condescending", the translation would be "Condescendente", but nobody use that word here
Yea, i would completely fall for that and be confused when it didn't work.
Now we’re both cognitive of cogitating
I had an ESL speaker use "epurate" the other day and I was surprised to learn it was in fact an English word.
That makes me happy. I'm really glad she wasn't euthanized.
Shes obviously scared. If any party shoulders 0 blame its her and I really hope they dont euthanize her for it.
“Following the incident, she was immediately evaluated by the technical team and remains under continuous observation and monitoring, as she experienced a high level of stress,” the park wrote.
It emphasized that euthanizing the animal was and is not a consideration, as Leona is healthy and does not display patterns of aggressive behaviour outside the context of the incident.
“The protocol for situations like this outlines exactly what is being done: monitoring, behavioural assessment, and specialized care,” the statement says, adding that staff are dedicated to ensuring she recovers.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11554260/man-mauled-killed-lion-brazil/amp/
I’m so glad to read that immediately after seeing the OP title. She does look so scared in those pictures.
It's the exact face my one cat made after watching the other have a stroke. Stared at us the entire time while we tended to him, and didn't move until we approached her.
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Story is sad all around. Dude had untreated mental issues, schizophrenic mom and grandma and was in the system since he was a child. All siblings were adopted but him and so on. I feel bad for both
Yeah why do people keep trying to frame this like he was trying to fight the lion or something lol
He was literally mentally disabled.
The article literally says he went in there wanting to care for them. Immediately made me think of that autistic girl who is obsessed with lions on Love on the Spectrum.
People with schizophrenia who are having an episode are not able to think clearly and make rational decisions.
Apparently the guy was in serious need of mental help and was not receiving it. It's even speculated that this was suicide. Why he chose this as his way out, I will never know, but it's pretty damn sad.
It was an adult with the IQ of a 5 year old according to those that knew him. I’ve got some sympathy for him too. Not really anyone’s fault. You can’t expect these enclosures to be engineered for an adult to be unable to find a way to enter them.
Oh, you should absolutely expect these enclosures to be engineered so a human couldn't get into it.
People try to sneak into wild animal enclosures more often than you would think. When I worked at a zoo, there were attempts. One thing that is taken in consideration when building a new enclosure is "can an adult get into this enclosure?".
If anyone's to blame its his guardians, like where the hell where they?
He didn't have any. He aged out of the foster system
If you're talking about the guy, he didn't have any.
You have no sympathy for a mentally unwell, possible schizophrenic who lives in a place where it was difficult to get treatment?
It's Reddit lol I've seen people cheer for mass shooters as long as they were shooting at people they don't like.
He was an untreated schizophrenic…
Poor lioness, feel bad for her stress.
On another note. Id like to hear stories of near death experiences this person must of had. Climbing into a lion cage wasn't his first "im invincible" moment.
Apparently Schizophrenia
Only after reading your comment did I realize she killed a human and not another lion…
"No man, no problem."
--Children of the Arbat by Anatoly Rybakov
You’d have to be crazy to climb into a lion enclosure, which means he was probably crazy.
I would of course feel sorry for him if mental illness was the cause
I can't believe that your comment has so many upvotes
I'm really glad they didn't punish her for what she did.
I read that the park said euthanasia was never considered.
The lion is only guilty of being a lion.
Humans do the same. Someone breaks into your place, (especially Texas!) and you shoot them, we don’t euthanize you!!
Thank god.
If you can track down the video, she really does look traumatized and upset about the entire thing right after. She's off to the side away from the body just kind of breathing hard with a 1000 yard stare.
Why do you think she's scared?
It's not my comment, but with her pupils contracting like that, her lower posture to the ground, and her ears back all indicate a heightened emotional state. This has a range of course, but based on what happened to her and her body language we can infer she is probably scared or at the very least extremely excitable.
Boy, you can really see the fear and adrenaline in that first picture.
A 19 year old male human??
Because at first glance I thought it meant a 19 year old male lion...and got super confused.
"19 year old man" would be the correct way to write this headline.
This "males" and "females" shit, everyone sounding like Ferengi.
Next, the females will be wearing clothes! Chaos I tell you
I was also confused initially.
Same! I was like, that’s a shame but…
Wish they gave Harambe a chance like this 🦍
That’s when our timeline fractured and we went down the current shitshow of a timeline.
I thought i was the only person telling people this haha, im glad to see theres others
Credit to /u/SalmonSammySamSam
https://imgur.com/a/7vo8kys
Dicks out, boys
I hope she's ok
I just read the zoo said euthanasia was never considered due to this incident
That’s good to know.
When lethal force is used, it's usually because there is a live human that can be retrieved and immediate danger to them (either because the animal has gotten out or they have gotten in). The lioness ...took care of that herself, so there isn't really a reason to euthanize her-- at that point, after removing her from the enclosure, they aren't working against a time limit to save someone or prevent them from bleeding out, it's body retrieval vs rescue.
Awful everything sucks.
I’m sad for her and the guy. Dude was mentally ill, and if he had gotten help he’d still be alive.
Did they take her out? Please say they let her live. It wasn't her fault!
I've read that euthanasia was not even cogitated.
To paraphrase Chris Rock, that lioness didn’t go crazy, that lioness went lioness.
As of right now the zoo is not going to euthanize the lion. The teen who jumped in suffered from mental illnesses, including schizophrenia.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna246850
I hope nothing bad happened to her..she was just being a lion.
Hey, don’t worry! According to other comments, she wasn’t put down after this incident. She is still alive and well.
19 year old male in the title, not being clear, lead me to think it was a male lion that invaded her space.
I always find it disturbing how an incident like this causes some people to make lots of effort to be seen expressing total concern for the animal and absolutely none for any human who might be involved. It's a behavior adjacent to those who freak out over the possibility of a dog being harmed in a horror movie but can't manufacture empathy for the human characters.
It's wonderful that she won't be euthanized.
Someone's child died.
EDIT: Downvoting me for saying this is absolutely in alignment with what I'm talking about here.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Apparently the kid was schizophrenic.
I suspect people might think I was being sarcastic by saying that it’s wonderful that the animal isn’t being euthanized. I’m not being sarcastic about it. I don’t think it makes sense to euthanize an animal for responding to a situation like an animal would. I’m legitimately glad they’re not euthanizing her.
I think it's reasonable that people are tired of people and tired of seeing animals suffer because of predicaments we put them in. There's already only so many lions out in the wild, because of us. They're all at risk of being killed by us, or they're already confined to captivity because of us.
On the other hand, there's a lot of schizophrenics out there who die from otherwise very preventable circumstances. Nobody's really getting bent out out shape about them. It's maybe even harder to, especially in a situation like this when people suffering from schizophrenia are generally not often competing for sympathy or justice with biodiversity.
That’s weirdos on the internet for you
Oh shit when I read “male” I assumed it was a lion…
It’s like some sort of wild animal!
The lioness did nothing wrong
What is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent Brazilian meal?
I thought you meant that she mauled a 19 year old male lion that snuck in and attempted to breed.
"Why was he nice enough to satisfy my blood lust? He is my prey. I'm the hunter."
These people jumping into enclosures or dropping their kids in enclosures is so annoying.
There is a pretty sad story behind all that. Poor dude suffered from mental illness and negligence, saw all his younger siblings getting adopted and being left behind. His therapist came out saying that he dreamed about visiting savannas and watching the Lions. He even tried to get into a plane by hiding in the landing gear but with no sucess. His last try to acomplish his dream is what caused all that.
It should be annoying that we can't take better care of our people with mental health issues.
They should put a deterrent in the pen. Maybe something like a man-eating beast to dissuade people from entering the enclosure.
I jest, but this story is very sad. I'm glad the lion wasn't punished and I'm sorry someone lost their son.
Sad but lion's gonna lion.
Lions be lioning
Cute kitty.
I watched the video. Dude was practically begging to be eaten.
Edit: it’s on YNC
Wait, a HUMAN male?
Damn sounds like a really sad story. Poor guy and poor lion
A 19 year old male... person? Lion?
Person
I thought it was a 19 year old male LION as I just saw a lioness give a smackdown to a fully-maned male LION who dared bat her cub. No chance for a human, oof...
Totally thought it was a 19 year old male LION
I mean... If you got my boy Harambe... You know the drill...
Damn nature you scary
Visiting the Ngorongoro park in Tanzania i once saw a lioness take out and maul a wildebeest the size of a cow in a flash from up close. The way the lion transformed from a big pussycat, lazy spreadout on the ground to an absolute murder machine in seconds really shocked me. Best to stay inside the car. An unarmed human has no chance against a lion out for the kill. None whatsoever.
Probably high on whatever he was on
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Glad to hear they aren’t putting her down. Poor girl.
It looks kind of scared to me. Its sad..
Like it knows it did something wrong/bad
let this be a reminder and a warning: mother nature does not give a shit about you in any way, shape, or form. thank you for coming to my ted talk.
I hope she won't have to pay the price because of this dumbass
Saw this from another sub not NSFW
I thought you said it WASN'T NSFW :(
“19 year old male” does not read like a human. My first reaction was “lions live that long?”. Calling a woman a female is cringe, it’s the same both ways. Call him a 19 year old man, boy, hautist, maybe even slightly regarded, but he was a human dammit.
I was like, a 19yo lion? That’s old, but also, that’s almost expected. Confused when I read it was a human 19yo