Sharing this because, per the article, a DOJ official said Virginia is one of the states going along with this scheme (or was, or would be, if Jay Jones hadn't won the AG race last month).
This refers to ineligible voters. Your list refers to manipulating the elections. Big difference.
Your fascist list also includes a lot of nonsense, e.g. “8. Labor power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government…” but those regimes he studied fell for reasons other than labor movements, so wtf.
Fascism can’t be accepted, but that list does not get the job done on preventing it.
This refers to ineligible voters. Your list refers to manipulating the elections. Big difference.
How do you think they get away with rigging elections? They lie to their following with whatever scare tactic necessary to get them to fully support whatever corrupt thing they are doing. And the following supports it because it feeds into their fear, hate, and anger.
Your fascist list also includes a lot of nonsense, e.g. “8. Labor power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government…” but those regimes he studied fell for reasons other than labor movements, so wtf.
Those regimes came to full power because they suppressed labor power. Labor power can help stop them from getting to that point. The right has been doing this across the US for 50 years. This is already accomplished. It's a marker of the rise, not how they fell.
Fascism can’t be accepted, but that list does not get the job done on preventing it.
For those with eyes to see, it shows the markers of it rising. If you really don't want a fascist America, you might want to take a second pass through that list without your shields up and honestly evaluate each point.
The title by the author is completely inaccurate. From the first sentence of their own article:
The U.S. Department of Justice has sent a confidential draft agreement to more than a dozen states that would require election officials to remove any alleged ineligible voters identified during a federal review of their voter rolls.
So no, they're not stopping people from voting like it's some random thing. It's voter roll verification which is good. I don't see an issue with removing ineligible voters.
The way u/pretend-culture-4138 makes it sound is great, and I hope that’s the final result, but this year’s political roller coaster of a ride doesn’t exactly instill much hope in a good faith execution of the memo.
According to the report, the MOU terms are that the state signatory agrees to accept the determination of a federal agency that the voter is ineligible. Hard to say anything with 100% certainty without seeing the exact terms, but that term makes voter database ownership irrelevant if the owner has ceded control.
I realize Reddit is full of self-proclaimed experts, but I assure you that I know far more about state government and election administration than you.
What's the bar for removing someone? What due process protections are there? Will people even be told they are being removed?
There are tons of stories of states removing legal voters with 0 notice so this isn't a hypothetical, it's very much reality. And if you're in a state that doesn't have same day registration, you effectively lose the right to vote if you don't learn you've been removed until you show up on election day.
This could and very likely will be absurd by the Trump Administration due to a mix of both malice and incompetence based on their track record of everything else.
The court “concludes that the Plaintiffs have shown a substantial likelihood that the IRS’s adoption of the Address-Sharing Policy and the IRS’s subsequent sharing of taxpayer information with ICE were unlawful under the Administrative Procedure Act,” U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly wrote in a 94-page ruling.
So how many legitimate legal voters is it ok to disenfranchise for each illegitimate voter removed?
Voter fraud is already vanishingly rare. How many legitimate voters have to suffer to drop the rate from 1 illegitimate vote per million to 1 illegitimate vote in 2 million?
The same disqualifying criteria when it comes to not being able to vote.
What due process protections are there?
The same ones that exist for every other action. You can take it to court to contest it or just take your proof in to reregister. It's not complicated.
Will people even be told they are being removed?
The law requires them to be notified so they can provide proof of their eligibility.
The same ones that exist for every other action. You can take it to court to contest it or just take your proof in to reregister. It's not complicated.
This assumes you know you've been removed and have time to re-register before the election. Thanks to Democrats, Virginia has same day registration so it's possible to register to vote on election day in the worst case.
But no federal law requires all states to allow same day registration.
Just like they’ve “accurately” determined who is here illegally and who isn’t and swept them up bodily and shipped them off with no due process. The feds have no business in the voting process. That the states’ job. Party of States Rights, my ass.
Removing someone from the voter rolls is stopping them from voting. Additionally, the NVRA has guidelines for how states conduct voter roll maintenance, it happens every election cycle already.
This is a clear attempt by the corrupt DOJ to circumvent the NVRA and illegally remove voters from the rolls under the pretense they're not US citizens.
I assume this will quickly get reversed once the current governor and AG go bye bye.
I agree that the DOJ isn't needed here. If there are ineligible voters, Virginia has the resources to handle them. There's no need for an agreement forcing the state to comply in advance. If the DOJ identified ineligible voters, just hand over the list and Virginians can decide what to do about it.
Removing someone from the voter rolls is stopping them from voting.
Ineligible people shouldn't be on the voter rolls and shouldn't be able to vote. That's a pretty basic safeguard for a democracy...
This is a clear attempt by the corrupt DOJ to circumvent the NVRA and illegally remove voters from the rolls under the pretense they're not US citizens.
Pretty large leap considering states are already allowed to maintain their voter rolls.
Yes, this is why we have the NVRA, the federal law that controls voter list maintenance.
And the DoJ is offering voluntary assistance with evaluations of vote rolls. Still allowed by law.
Yes, it is a pretty large leap for DOJ to try to abrogate the state's role, under federal law, to conduct voter roll maintenance.
Another person who didn't read the article it seems... Nowhere is the DoJ taking over voter roll maintenance, they're just offering assistance on identifying ineligible voters and returning the results to the states who will be the ones maintaining the voter rolls.
That link is from the article in the OP, it's literally from DOJ. Unfortunately for you, I didn't make up my username, I actually know what I'm talking about, and you should accept that you don't and move on.
Did you miss the part where states agree to the assistance provided by the DoJ and the states are the ones who actually manage the rolls, not the federal government? So still constitutional.
The only part the feds have refers to federal laws and amendments prohibiting discrimination based on race, sex, or age.
States don’t ’agree to assistance provided by DOJ’ etc. That is abdicating their responsibilities described in the Constitution. And frankly, I’m about fed up with this administration running over it.
It doesn't strike you as suspicious that a purple state that was going to participate in this stopped when the Trump bootlickers were fired by the citizenry?
Lol I know what it means. Do you know that refers to people the DoJ would flag as ineligible that the states would investigate for removal? Or did you still not read the article?
I don't see an issue with removing ineligible voters.
That's because you don't care that these are typically done strategically in certain areas to target the "wrong voters" and always strip voting rights from eligible voters. Always.
And yet many every year get removed from the voter roles despite meeting the qualifications to vote. VA has been playing that game at the last possible minute in the past several elections and every time eligible people are removed ... from all the progressive areas. You are either ignorant of this happening or you don't care.
People get removed because they don't qualify. If in the extremely rare event someone was accidentally removed, they can just show the proof to reregister.
If you think there's some conspiracy to remove eligible progressive voters, you are either ignorant of this not happening or you don't care about spreading misinformation.
People get removed because they don't qualify. If in the extremely rare event someone was accidentally removed, they can just show the proof to reregister.
You weren't listening. The removals happen at the last minute so they can't just re-register. Worse, nobody is ever notified they were removed so they show up to vote and are told they can't.
If you think there's some conspiracy to remove eligible progressive voters, you are either ignorant of this not happening or you don't care about spreading misinformation.
It's not a conspiracy ... it's done out in the open but your billionaire-controlled media doesn't tell you so you think it doesn't happen. That's #6, BTW.
You weren't listening. The removals happen at the last minute so they can't just re-register. Worse, nobody is ever notified they were removed so they show up to vote and are told they can't.
None of this is true and is a prime example of conspiracies and misinformation. It doesn't happen at the last minute, voter rolls have to be maintained within a timetable and can't be adjusted right before the election. Plus, here in VA we have same day registration so they still could register and vote. And VA law requires notifications for people who are being removed and allows them the opportunity to fix their registration.
It's not a conspiracy ... it's done out in the open but your billionaire-controlled media doesn't tell you so you think it doesn't happen. That's #6, BTW.
Lol as I told you above, there isn't a conspiracy against progressives. If you think there is, you need to get off reddit and find better media sources.
Certainly sounds like a final straw to me.
Unfortunately for many it’s the final straw in a dispenser of straws that keeps getting refilled.
I certainly hope that, in the spirit of our flag, we collectively pop a tiddy and get to fighting if people are prevented from voting.
This will get fixed on Jan. 17th, at least in Virginia.
Number 14 of the 14 characteristics of facsism
This refers to ineligible voters. Your list refers to manipulating the elections. Big difference.
Your fascist list also includes a lot of nonsense, e.g. “8. Labor power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government…” but those regimes he studied fell for reasons other than labor movements, so wtf.
Fascism can’t be accepted, but that list does not get the job done on preventing it.
How do you think they get away with rigging elections? They lie to their following with whatever scare tactic necessary to get them to fully support whatever corrupt thing they are doing. And the following supports it because it feeds into their fear, hate, and anger.
Those regimes came to full power because they suppressed labor power. Labor power can help stop them from getting to that point. The right has been doing this across the US for 50 years. This is already accomplished. It's a marker of the rise, not how they fell.
For those with eyes to see, it shows the markers of it rising. If you really don't want a fascist America, you might want to take a second pass through that list without your shields up and honestly evaluate each point.
Ooh! 2nd Amendment time!
When people clutch pearls and ask how you could possibly vote for Jay Jones, ask them how Jason Miyares would have responded to this request.
What.
Actually . . .given that those states are guarenteed to be red . . .
Let's let them FAFO
The title by the author is completely inaccurate. From the first sentence of their own article:
So no, they're not stopping people from voting like it's some random thing. It's voter roll verification which is good. I don't see an issue with removing ineligible voters.
until they subjectively decide what “ineligible” means instead of using the statutory definition.
This
The way u/pretend-culture-4138 makes it sound is great, and I hope that’s the final result, but this year’s political roller coaster of a ride doesn’t exactly instill much hope in a good faith execution of the memo.
What roller coaster have you been on that starts at the bottom but somehow continues to plummet downwards?
A roller coaster from ground level to hell
I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride
upside down rocket ship?
That's called a missile. And it's usually targeted are poor people.
Don't forget us queers! Bonus if you're queer and poor. Course, I'm also a public school librarian, so I guess I'm just the devil......
Pretty much, I wouldn’t put it pass them to all of the sudden make Dems and independents “ineligible”.
Independents are already votes thrown in the trash so they don’t need to worry about those.
Bro it literally says allege not convicted ..... I mean Steven Miller's allegedly a reptilian WTF
VA law already sets the qualifications for voting. That's what they use to determine eligibility.
It’s not the federal government’s role to make the fina determination. States own the election process.
Redditor #3 who didn't read the article and missed the part where the states are the ones who maintain the voter rolls.
According to the report, the MOU terms are that the state signatory agrees to accept the determination of a federal agency that the voter is ineligible. Hard to say anything with 100% certainty without seeing the exact terms, but that term makes voter database ownership irrelevant if the owner has ceded control.
I realize Reddit is full of self-proclaimed experts, but I assure you that I know far more about state government and election administration than you.
The key problem here is "alleged"
What's the bar for removing someone? What due process protections are there? Will people even be told they are being removed?
There are tons of stories of states removing legal voters with 0 notice so this isn't a hypothetical, it's very much reality. And if you're in a state that doesn't have same day registration, you effectively lose the right to vote if you don't learn you've been removed until you show up on election day.
This could and very likely will be absurd by the Trump Administration due to a mix of both malice and incompetence based on their track record of everything else.
And we know Trump has tried to illegally access people's private data before, like from the IRS. - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-issues-order-blocking-irs-sharing-taxpayer-information-ice-rcna245262
So how many legitimate legal voters is it ok to disenfranchise for each illegitimate voter removed?
Voter fraud is already vanishingly rare. How many legitimate voters have to suffer to drop the rate from 1 illegitimate vote per million to 1 illegitimate vote in 2 million?
The same disqualifying criteria when it comes to not being able to vote.
The same ones that exist for every other action. You can take it to court to contest it or just take your proof in to reregister. It's not complicated.
The law requires them to be notified so they can provide proof of their eligibility.
Except we know people eligible to vote have been removed improperly. https://www.vpm.org/news/2023-10-03/voter-removal-virginia-process-change-vsp-elect
This assumes you know you've been removed and have time to re-register before the election. Thanks to Democrats, Virginia has same day registration so it's possible to register to vote on election day in the worst case.
But no federal law requires all states to allow same day registration.
A situation that was due to a bug in VSP software and was resolved by restoring their ability to vote. So not applicable to this situation.
VA law requires them to notify people who have been removed so they have a chance to prove their eligibility.
Anything else you don't understand about the process?
Just like they’ve “accurately” determined who is here illegally and who isn’t and swept them up bodily and shipped them off with no due process. The feds have no business in the voting process. That the states’ job. Party of States Rights, my ass.
Removing someone from the voter rolls is stopping them from voting. Additionally, the NVRA has guidelines for how states conduct voter roll maintenance, it happens every election cycle already.
This is a clear attempt by the corrupt DOJ to circumvent the NVRA and illegally remove voters from the rolls under the pretense they're not US citizens.
I assume this will quickly get reversed once the current governor and AG go bye bye.
I agree that the DOJ isn't needed here. If there are ineligible voters, Virginia has the resources to handle them. There's no need for an agreement forcing the state to comply in advance. If the DOJ identified ineligible voters, just hand over the list and Virginians can decide what to do about it.
Virginia is not likely to be one of the states to go along with this. Thank goodness the voters were smart enough to not keep a maga AG.
However, you don't need Virginia to rig an election.
Ineligible people shouldn't be on the voter rolls and shouldn't be able to vote. That's a pretty basic safeguard for a democracy...
Pretty large leap considering states are already allowed to maintain their voter rolls.
Yes, this is why we have the NVRA, the federal law that controls voter list maintenance.
Yes, it is a pretty large leap for DOJ to try to abrogate the state's role, under federal law, to conduct voter roll maintenance.
And the DoJ is offering voluntary assistance with evaluations of vote rolls. Still allowed by law.
Another person who didn't read the article it seems... Nowhere is the DoJ taking over voter roll maintenance, they're just offering assistance on identifying ineligible voters and returning the results to the states who will be the ones maintaining the voter rolls.
Yes, they're just offering assistance by demanding state voter rolls under court orders.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-four-states-failure-produce-voter-rolls
I'm pretty well-versed on this subject, maybe you should reread the article.
If you read the article from the OP then you would see it's involving states who voluntarily agreed to assistance.
Just because you made up your own redditor username, that doesn't make it true.
That link is from the article in the OP, it's literally from DOJ. Unfortunately for you, I didn't make up my username, I actually know what I'm talking about, and you should accept that you don't and move on.
Then read the rest of the article that's talking about states who are voluntarily agreeing to the assistance.
Lol highly doubtful you do, I don't care what you claim in your username.
" alleged ineligible " means they can remove anyone for any reason without recourse.
Not true but keep making stuff up I guess.
Dude, have you been in a coma?
If so, first, lucky. Second, yeah, things are pretty dire.
You do realize there are requirements to vote, and that people who don't meet them are ineligible, right?
They can't remove any person for any reason they want, that's just a conspiracy.
It is up to the states. This is in The Constitution. It is not the prerogative nor the duty of the feds.
Did you miss the part where states agree to the assistance provided by the DoJ and the states are the ones who actually manage the rolls, not the federal government? So still constitutional.
The only part the feds have refers to federal laws and amendments prohibiting discrimination based on race, sex, or age.
States don’t ’agree to assistance provided by DOJ’ etc. That is abdicating their responsibilities described in the Constitution. And frankly, I’m about fed up with this administration running over it.
Redditor #4 who hasn't read the article but felt confident enough to respond anyways.
States can agree to assistance, and the states are still the ones who are responsible for removing ineligible voters.
"Alleged" ineligible voters.
It doesn't strike you as suspicious that a purple state that was going to participate in this stopped when the Trump bootlickers were fired by the citizenry?
Partisan politics influences everything now.
If your name comes up as "alleged ineligible voter," I'd like to hear your response. Try reading the definition of "alleged."
You won't get a response because I meet the qualifications to vote 🤷♂️
"Allegedly." Still haven't looked it up?
Lol I know what it means. Do you know that refers to people the DoJ would flag as ineligible that the states would investigate for removal? Or did you still not read the article?
That's because you don't care that these are typically done strategically in certain areas to target the "wrong voters" and always strip voting rights from eligible voters. Always.
They don't have anything to worry about if they meet the qualifications to vote....
And yet many every year get removed from the voter roles despite meeting the qualifications to vote. VA has been playing that game at the last possible minute in the past several elections and every time eligible people are removed ... from all the progressive areas. You are either ignorant of this happening or you don't care.
People get removed because they don't qualify. If in the extremely rare event someone was accidentally removed, they can just show the proof to reregister.
If you think there's some conspiracy to remove eligible progressive voters, you are either ignorant of this not happening or you don't care about spreading misinformation.
You weren't listening. The removals happen at the last minute so they can't just re-register. Worse, nobody is ever notified they were removed so they show up to vote and are told they can't.
It's not a conspiracy ... it's done out in the open but your billionaire-controlled media doesn't tell you so you think it doesn't happen. That's #6, BTW.
None of this is true and is a prime example of conspiracies and misinformation. It doesn't happen at the last minute, voter rolls have to be maintained within a timetable and can't be adjusted right before the election. Plus, here in VA we have same day registration so they still could register and vote. And VA law requires notifications for people who are being removed and allows them the opportunity to fix their registration.
Lol as I told you above, there isn't a conspiracy against progressives. If you think there is, you need to get off reddit and find better media sources.
Youngkin did it in the last two elections. If you aren't paying attention and refuse to acknowledge reality ... I can't help you.
"Alleged" ineligible.
Who do you think is doing the alleging and why? 🤔
The government looking for people who don't meet the qualifications to vote. It's a requirement.