So my slave country just voted a draconic anti free speech law that modifies the older less draconic law. In the older law you got a fine OR prison time for antisemitism, xenophobia, racism hatespeech and other bullshit. New law eliminates the possibility of fines. You go straight to jail.
The other issue is that there is no clear definition of what this "bad speech" means. And even our liberal president sent it for reexamination because of this. It was given the ok in its current stupid and fuzzy form.
And the swines in our parliament still voted for and passed the law
https://hotnews.ro/un-nou-scandal-in-parlament-la-adoptarea-legii-privind-combaterea-extremismului-legea-fusese-contestata-de-presedintele-nicusor-dan-si-de-opozitie-2133033 (you can use translate, its decent)
Obligatory i hate my fellow countrymen aside and after giving you some context, please suggest me ways i could at least be safer. I am aware nothing is 100% safe, just trying to do my best and hope for the best.
Would a browser with vpn be enough? Tor? What can i do on my part to be safer?
My plan is to find a vpn that is outside of EU jurisdiction and use a safer and privacy oriented browser.
I am very concerned because like i said in the beginning there is no guideline on whaterver the f the bad speech means and i do sometimes say things that could be interpreted as such. Even expressing a desire for less immigration can easily be labeled as xenophobia or racism. Same for mentioning crime statistics. I say nothing inciting violence or things like that.
Edit: someone triggered reddits self h#rm prevention tool on me already, lmao
Edit 2 because a disturbing amount of people dont seem to get this. Copy pasted from one of my comments
Unambiguous hate speech" thats cute, who decides wheres the line. There is nothing in the law that explains what hate speech is to begin with. So not only is there no limit defined, there is no explanation of the term itself.
There is no mention of what is "mainstream" or that it has to be social media. It is any offline communication and online post anywhere and online gets a default 1.5x longer jail term
No mention it has to be under your real name. It only needs to be proven it was you. Just like you dont have to leave a copy of your id when you rob someone in order to be arrested
There is no mention of repeated use to qualify. Repeated use will only get you a harsher sentence
These laws are tailored for groups of people, not individuals.
Your post seems very much an anquished reaction to Romania's new law, or at least that's how I read it. You say you need to protect yourself and "be safer", but you are very unspecific as to what it is you do which has now become unsafe, and how a tool recommended by r/VPN will help. I in no way am critical of your stance, but do want to make this observation.
What is the profound difference for you made by the imposition of possible jail time here? Have you been paying fines up until now, and are willing to continue paying fines, but will not risk jail time? Have you been acting in ways which risk fines, but you've until now avoided actual legal action? I ask as a man who for years very publically refused to register for a US military draft, in protest of US military interventions around the globe. Speaking publically about my beliefs regarding the US role in the world was important to me. I regularly received letters threatening fines and/or jail time. I don't believe my actions would have been different if the threats was exclusively monetary, or exclusively a prison sentence.
I am not quite sure how to interpret "Obligatory i hate my fellow countrymen aside". I am an American and a German citizen, and for decades have watched American society grow more and more polarised and seen both individuals and legal entities from organizations to schools to states become less and less tolerant of speech which strays from the currently accepted dominant paradigm. Germany has always been a society internationally known for people extraordinarily devoted to unquestioning obedience, and in the years which I've lived here I've only seen this increase. This doesn't cause me to hate either Americans or Germans, however, but rather to try to understand what's going on.
If you are looking for tools which enable you to continue reading material which Romania prevents you from consuming, then I certainly relate to your action. I regularly use VPNs here in Germany in order to consume Internet reading material which German/EU laws prohibit me from accessing. Conversely, when I travel in Russia I use tools in order to access material prohibited by the Russian state. If you are looking for software which enables you to speak anonymously, as you seem to be however, I am curious about your thinking here: what does it mean to you to "speak out" on a political or social issue, if you write as an anonymous figure? When I read anonymous letters, such as from White House or US State Department staffers dissenting from the actions of Joe Biden or Donald Trump I am always curious what people are thinking when they say "we strongly feel it is important to speak out", yet remain unnamed. What is political speech without a speaker attached?
We try to understand your point of view, but we lived under communist dictatorship. We know more than you can even imagine about freedom and constraints. If the system wants you restricted, they will pick a discussion about cherries, they will re-interpret it the way they want, and done. You are gone. They can make it about whatever they want, as long as it takes you out of the ecuation.
Concern troll
I havent paid any fine and was never even issued a warning.
The things i say are pretty tame and many are said by us citizens on twitter. I even receive feed posts with some on facebook.
The difference is that i had some room for error when saying something before this. Id potentially get a warning or fine and id then know to stop or go underground.
Now there is no room for error. There can be no other punishment than jail. And its a lot of minimal jail time, not days or weeks. Time is 1.5x if the post is online. "Best" case scenario i get a suspended sentence and a criminal record. But i can also get max sentence. Its a coinflip.
The law doesnt concern consumption, just posting
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What a nice little obedient sheep
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Your counterpart making a fallacy doesn't make you right automatically, don't make a fallacy yourself.
The point is not really about the law working as intended laws are made to deter and punish behavior, it's expected for the law to work as intended and people getting criminalized by the law being opposed.
The important point is, should we criminalize such behavior? I'm on the page of criminalizing antisocial behavior although not without strongly safeguarding what's the limit, else the slope gets slippery and we could get trapped in being criminal for even tame things like saying your neighbor dog is ugly.
If you are racist online it should be treated as though you are racist in real life. Quite simple really.
The law dictates what is free speech and what is hate.
I can take any of your posts online and make it about race. And then throw you in the slammer for it. Even a discussion about cherries if you wish. You have no way of knowing about what this guy is talking.
Let's exemplify: you make a quick post along this line: I am ready to harvest my cherries. I can take that and turn it into a political/racist post. I look at your profile, I go to a comittee, and I present your post with a pertinent explanation. I get you thrown in jail, and then you're gonna do what?
You live in US, and you never had to experience something like that. Outside US it is a crazy woke effed up world.
Good luck to you. And always watch what you are saying, because you never know when the system uses you as a patsy.
first sentence was a mislead. why use an example and then not use it as an example? tell me how a cherry known by any slur is just as sweet or whatever
So let's say you said "I have to harvest my cherries". I take that, find a crooked judge, say you said it in an antisemite context, get him to sign an order at 9 PM, and by 3 AM you are all booked, ready to have your fudge packed, moved to a no mans land prison ... by the time anyone even realizes you disappeared, you're in a reeducation camp, breaking stones at the bottom of a future navigational chanel, that conveniently has an embankment runnoff, you are caught there ... and Oh well ... someone is going to put a cross for you in a cemetery. For you and a few hundred others.
All these things are from real situations. Of course, it was communism, so someone just had to call a number and say Mr X said jokes about the system ... and poof! All family disappears forever.
Don’t be bloody ridiculous.
I survived communism. I can be as ridiculous as I want . You would not survive it even for 6 months.
And as I was saying ... UK went full retard UK full retard
I am very disappointed by the general attitude of this sub. I expected that here out of all places people would be appalled by the law but i guess many people are here because their dumb little movie series doesnt work regionally so they need a vpn to watch, not because they have higher, abstract goals or aspirations.
This goes beyond the need of such laws existing. In my oppinion such laws are filth but i understand there can be a case made for their existance.
This is about the fact that NOTHING is defined as far as the law is concerned and about their ultimate perversion to remove fines and defaulting to literal JAIL for saying mean words that arent even directed at a specific person (so its not defamation). We had a sht law before, with fine OR jail, but it wasnt enough for these swines.
And not 1 day jail or something like that, starts from THREE MONTHS MINIMUM, with a multiplier of 1.5x if whatever you said is online. So 4.5 MONTHS is the MINIMUM you get.
It is defined if you read the article you posted. There's no room in this world for hate speech. Don't be a racist and a bigot and you will have nothing to worry about. This shouldn't be something you're afraid of. I would think most people who are worried about this speak hatefully often.
+3 pts to you social credit score
lmao guy whines about bullshit on reddit, gets responses he doesnt like "wow how chinese is this??"
Letting the government be the ultimate arbiter of allowed and disallowed speech is always a dangerous thing, tomorrow they could ban criticism of the government under the idea of criticizing the government being hate against society as whole, it's not like it's something that never happened ever, we have plenty of historical examples both of people being hateful bigots and of governments being oppressive against the people under flimsy excuses, it's important to balance protection for the individuals and for the society as a whole.
Remember laws must be followed but laws aren't guaranteed to be moral.
And we are disappointed in you 🧡
Oh no, drones are not happy when their pathetic stance is exposed ((((
You're still on Reddit 🤷
These mofos never experienced anything outside US. They are crybabies compared to what is out there. 🤣🤣🤣.
They "think" they are oppressed, and need a VPN for it
Have you considered adjusting your online behavior? This seems like an extremely easy problem to avoid. Posting online is a choice and so is the type of language that you use. If you're concerned that your opinions might be viewed as racist or bigoted, perhaps you should find something else to do with your time.
Have you considered growing a spine or at least addressing the concerns about these laws
I don’t have a problem with a law that punishes for some being racist or homophobic. Most normal people don’t.
I wouldn’t put up with racism in real life… so why would I put up with it online?
You have very specific personal concerns likely because you believe that your opinions could be viewed as problematic. This is a good opportunity to reevaluate your opinions and behavior. Being a better person will solve many of these made-up problems.
Have you considered that those laws are there for a reason? "Growing a spine", easy to say that when you haven't been a target of them, innit?
I mean most people in this sub are just using a vpn to prevent governments from randomly snooping on them. You just openly have admitted that you have a history of saying unsavory shit which might put you in a prison in the future even though you haven't been getting fined.
I would be more worried if your government starts banning the use of vpns.
I would have been totally fined at least in the context of the old set of laws, were they to properly enforce them. Not a good situation to be in, with them always holding a sword above your neck.
And i have to emphasize that whatever i had said is completely legal in the US and 90% of the things i had said is common in US rethoric online. This only goes to show how batshit insane the local laws here are.
That was cute.
Lol you threw away all of your credibility with that sheep shit, it sounds like you're mad you can't say the Holocaust was awesome, society has an interest in making sure you don't try to do another one.
You sheep throw away your credibility when you come up with pathetic made up sht about me when i specifically explained in op the issues about these laws.
Any sensible over 100 iq individual would understand the dangerous line these laws cross but i guesd i was expecting way too much from some individuals.
Do you think people said the same when they introduced a law that meant you couldn’t be racist to someone in person?
Those laws seem to have worked out well.
Some people said the mobile phone wouldn’t take off too
Beeeh
People saying shit like "just don't be racist" really missing the point. Allowing the government to decide what's considered racist is a very slippery slope that could easily silence valid criticisms under the guise of "hate speech".
Use a VPN, and NEVER submit to age verification. Don't use personal info online and you can say whatever you want. At worst you get a platform ban.
People defending this shit place way too much trust in their government..
Who else but the government elected by the people should decide what is racist? Do you want Elon musk or George soros deciding?
I'm an advocate for Freedom of speech. Unless you're threatening someone or directly calling for violence, you should be able to say whatever you want. Yes calling someone racist slurs is bad but I think giving the government or anyone for that matter the power to decide what can and can't be said (outside of actual threats) is a slippery slope and the possible implications aren't worth it. people can just walk away from the situation, if they can't there's a case for harassment. Online it's even easier. Just block the person.
So you're not an advocate for freedom of speech, you just believe yourself to be a better arbiter of which speech should be legal than the government?
This is how it's done in America. You can say things that can offend people. You don't have the right not to be offended. This is to protect people's right to voice their opinion. I agree with this. Especially online where you can just block someone if you don't like what they say.
There is a big difference between free speech, getting offended and jail time. While saying racist slurs is bad, there is no room for imprisonment and jail for that. Otherwise you would jail each asshole around, because they are assholes and can't communicate properly.
There is a big line in that. One thing is to propagandize something like fascism, the other is to say that men/women are low class citizens. The first should be punishable, the second - let the society judge.
Easy, nobody should be deciding that, at least in terms of using it to put people in jail or fine them. If somebody says something bad and racist and wrong, it should be easy for many other people to say things that are good and not racist and correct and back them up with proof. Governments should only be regulating very narrow and clear kinds of speech like threats and slander.
If you extend it to social media platforms, I think they should be allowed to keep people off of their platforms for whatever reasons they want. I think if they start collaborating with governments to only silence certain viewpoints that's a problem.
Ideally they would only ban people for directly attacking other individuals or asserting that certain identities are morally worse or less worthy. And ideally this would be applied evenly without getting twisted up in acting like one race deserves to be mistreated for alleged past wrongs. You call someone a racial slur or say all people of a certain race are evil, you get the same punishment regardless of which race you target. You bring up a statistical observation and consider possible causes and effects of that statistic, others can bring up their own interpretations and the facts that support them.
If I was being hateful to you here. Would you report me to Reddit?
I wouldn't. Couldn't care less what hateful things someone says to me online. I'd just ignore it or respond with some low effort come back.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me".
Depends if it's genuine hate. If you're pointing out uncomfortable statistics, then no. But if you're obsessively harassing me with racial slurs, then yeah absolutely.
Anybody can decide, nobody is allowed to punish it. That's free speech.
Lol, welcome to the club
Not the first time but its funny seeing people get triggered and be wrong at the same time
😂 Dude, I wasn't previously moved particularly by anything you said, but that was one funny line! And so true. Respect! 👍
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Of being based af
Do not use Chrome.
Use TAILS if you are really into privacy.
Dont use social media or post online for the time being
I never used social media for things like this.
I mostly used an obscure forum in the US.
I did use chrome to access it and i have to change that asap. I picked tor for the time being.
I will look into tails
My main concern is my isp seeing me acess and posting on that forum.
Edit: why am i being downvoted lol
No idea why youre getting downvoted.
AFAIK, tor is not 100% safe as the last node could be compromised (search it
VPN should suffice
Im thinking vpn plus tor should suffice. Im not doing anything serious, just saying potentially naughty things about people. I dont expect the NSA or govt agencies that can see past my vpn and tor would waste resources on that.
The forum i use is in the us and since anything i say there is legal from a us standpoint i dont expect they would go out of their way to out me for things routinely said in the us and routinely said on twitter by us citizens.
How long is "the time being"? 🤔
just dont voice your opinions until you see if they actually enforce the law at all.
like, people are always scared of laws like that AND THEY SHOULD but sometimes you gotta ask yourself this "Is this law going to affect me?" "Are they actually gonna enforce it?" and so on before stressing about it.
why? because sometimes they just make laws like that so they can get rid of specific people they dont like.
someone in the other political party is managing to win votes? use the law to jail them, if anyone asks "they broke the law" is the excuse and move on fast.
This used to be my stance before when fine was an option. Im theory Id get a fine and then start being careful and going underground.
They removed fine. Its straigth to jail with a 1.5x modifier if it was online stuff. We are looking at minimum 4.5 months in jail for "legionary stuff" and 1.5 YEARS minimum for "racism etc " stuff.
You cant find a list of people that had been axed for such laws to begin with.
They would also not be instantly jailed thr next day for a post for me to get an idea. It can take months or years to end up in jail and there is no guarantee the govt stance doesnt change in the meantime and gets harsher on arrests. So just because 2 years nothing hapoenes there is no guarantee that if i start in year 3 i am safe
Can't you use Tor browser, plus a VPN plus a browser that tries to lower your online footprint like Brave or Firefox?
Is this not a hate speech against your country? Please stay safe everyone regardless of county with how things are now it's dangerous to have an opinion against the main stream of things
Muldav is a very good choice. Don't trust the no log policy of some vpns as they can be asked to turn logs on for users... Pay extra pay muldav
I will admit, I am wary of your intentions given how you keep referring to your government as "limp-wristed" in your replies (this phrase used to be used against homosexuals where I'm from), but...
In most cases, these types laws are only applied to people who post: * unambiguous hate speech, * on mainstream social media, * using their real name, * repeatedly, * in a way that is directly targeting someone (one off "I hate [slur]s" shouts into the void are not prosecuted as much as directly tagging someone to shout hate speech directly at them)
This is why you need to follow common-sense privacy rules before VPNs enter the picture. A VPN will not help you if you post objectionable content under your real name. A VPN will also not help you if your local government figures out your social media's recovery email address name if the address has your real name in it. Remember, prosecutors and police like low-hanging fruit — why try to track every single post made by every single person in the country when they have a slam-dunk case against some guy publicly saying slurs to his Muslim neighbor on Facebook?
Keep on mind: Most people who get prosecuted for stuff they post online would not have been saved by a VPN. Maybe you're not like most people, but most likely, you are like most people.
"Unambiguous hate speech" thats cute, who decides wheres the line. There is nothing in the law that explains what hate speech is to begin with. So not only is there no limit defined, there is no explanation of the term itself.
There is no mention of what is "mainstream" or that it has to be social media. It is any offline communication and online post anywhere and online gets a default 1.5x longer jail term
No mention it has to be under your real name. It only needs to be proven it was you. Just like you dont have to leave a copy of your id when you rob someone in order to be arrested
There is no mention of repeated use to qualify. Repeated use will only get you a harsher sentence
These laws are tailored for groups of people, not individuals.
Basically please stop making sht up if you have no clue, you got them all wrong.
I didn't say "you're perfectly safe." I very clearly said "in most cases" and listed out the most common situations people get in trouble for. Nor am I saying "the law says this only applies to mainstream social media." I am talking about what is most realistic when it comes to enforcement.
Pretend you are a police officer in your country. You do not have infinite resources. You do not have the spying powers of the United States NSA or China's censorship team. HTTPS means, for the most part, you can't read messages as they are being sent. Are you, a cop, going to spend months of your time checking a Harry Potter roleplaying forum with 30 active users, check every message ever sent, see if you find hate speech, then present a warrant to the webmaster in hopes the guy who said something you don't like happened to be from your country, and had an email address that could be traced back to a legal name, and then prosecute that person? No. You're going to find easy situations — and the easiest situation is going to be Facebook, where people use their real names and tend to use the cop's native language (even with translation tools a lot of cops prefer to search for stuff in their native language; you can also see this effect in how some websites based in America are pretty bad at moderating posts that aren't in English or Spanish). There are other easy situations on X too, or other large apps where people may not be careful about their details.
You specifically asked
And the answer to that question is to understand risk. VPNs will not help you if you end up accidentally doxxing yourself — which is how most people get prosecuted for cybercrime.
If you don't post it on social media, and you aren't doing it excessively, and you aren't harming anyone to the point they report it, how will the government ever know, let alone prove it in court?
Like please come back to the real world constrained by physics for a moment and think about how they would actually persecute you like you think. It's just not realistic.
no vpn. use tor browser on android.
ngl that law sounds super sketchy and scary like seriously watch your back and be careful
Nah, we need to know the country this person's coming. This person is setting off a lot of red flags
Did you click the article? Its obviously Romania.
UK is going the same path way, eventually those fascist laws will bite their own asses, when they realize it it will be too late
This is taken from treating 1984 as a manual, not a fiction book, with the thought police chasing after misconduct
The world leaders are a bunch of clowns, who don't know what to do and make up bullshit to punish because they can't go after real crimes
Awww bless your little cotton socks
Did you just call antisemitism, xenophobic, racism and hate speech… “bull shit”?
I am an advocate for free speech. But you just sound like someone who feels they should be able to say what ever the hell they want to who ever they want, no matter how hurtful.
A VPN won’t help you, by the way. That just obfuscates the where the traffic originated from. Not who posted it.
Happy trolling… 🤷🏼♂️
You are not an advocate for free speech.
I’m an advocate of respectful free speech 🧡
"I am an advocate for free speech. But"
So, you're not actually for free speech... It's like "I'm not a racist. But..."
Sorry, you only downvoted and didn’t respond. Can you answer the question? Do you agree that I should be able to run up to some random person and be horrifically racist to their face? Is that ok?
If you don’t respond… I’ll presume you don’t think that’s ok. 🧡
Should you go to jail for a minimum of 4.5 months for running up to a person and calling him an idiot?
If you don’t respond… I’ll presume you don’t think that’s ok. 🧡
No one has gone to jail for calling someone an idiot babe.
Why do i even waste my time with you lmao
Should you go to jail for 4.5 months minium for running up to a person and calling him stupid?
If you don’t respond… I’ll presume you don’t think that’s ok. 🧡
By the way, next time when you try making a point, start by comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges.
The only one comparing apples to oranges here is you. Calling someone an idiot or stupid is not nearly the same thing as repeatedly calling someone a racial slur.
Your conditioning worked well
No one is advocating for someone to goto jail for calling someone stupid. That’s obviously ridiculous. But targeted hate? Yep! Off to jail you go. We had it in the UK, a lady with a prominent social media presence called for racially incited violence… people responded and attacked a hotel. She went to jail for inciting racial violence.
If you stand in the street and demand that people attack other humans… you will goto jail. Do it online… goto jail.
If you stand in the street and call someone stupid… well, you might get an unwelcome response. But you won’t goto jail.
Conditioning worked great on you, sheep
No it’s not. That’s a boring trope.
If you advocate for the free speech I think you are… you are advocating for racism. And I presume you don’t think I should be allowed to be openly and horrifically racist?
So, just like Reddit?
Worst thing reddit can do is ban your account. Here you go straight to jail now.
In some ways it is worse than reddit because the rules are even more obscure.
Its still the worst it can do. Reddit jail.
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Oh, so you admit that you have been banned from Reddit before and this is probably a ban evasion account that you're using to post this nonsense while also attacking people in the comments for calling you out for your use of hate speech.
Also check out the "related communities” listed to your right.
F hate speech and propaganda
Good drone.
+3 social credit score for you
Check out any of these sources:
r/privacy
r/PrivacyGuides
Don't use hate speech then
What if some day hate speech is calling nazis out for being bad people? Laws like that are a slippery slope into fascism.
Don't be daft. It's Nazis and racists attacking minorities.
I think you don't understand. Nazis will use 'hate speech' as an excuse to hurt minorities with laws like this.
The RDA was passed in 1975. Consolidated in 2010 equality act. You are wrong
Good drone
+2 pts to your social credit score
Bless. Ever thought about just not being a cunt?
+2 points for you too
Pathetic
gosh i hope your young. you know the pro-palestine protests, many were squashed because there was "hate speech" in them. you ok with government defining what is hate speech and having that power?
The laws were passed in 1975 and have been successfully implemented since then
Don’t be a hateful, racist, antisemitic, xenophobic asshole.
Try being civil and behaving properly.
Did this never occur to you??
What would even bring you to r/VPN if you somehow believe these laws are used as intended?
Take your head out of your ass.
I dint believe in limiting free speech, but I’m also not a racist who believes in nutty conspiracy theories.
I think even vine people are allowed to spew hatred.
But I dint aspire to be a vile human
honestly maybe ur right. racist can be interpreted as saying something like the color of someones skin and then a derogatory remark, like "white trash". in America they have the right to use hate speech, that's why Democrat Ilhan Ohmar was only censured by congress for antisimetic speech, but I guess in your perfect world she'd be in prison.
I don’t support infringements on free speech.
I also dint believe in being an arrogant crate monger.
Cool story, sheep
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Unhinged
Yeah, I think you’re going to deserve your punishment
Esti retardat
It says that your president is against it, does he have any power over there or do you have a Prime Minister or anything else?
Our liberal limp wristed president is only partly against it.
He can send it back to parliament once for reexamination then if they pass it again he is forced to sign by law.
Technically he could dissolve the parliament but its more likely rapture happens than that.
Prime minister can do nothing about and and even if he could he wouldnt because he s also a limp wristed liberal.
So by your repeated use of the term ' limp wristed' I'm guessing you don't like the gays
Since when has the term referred to gays specifically?
"affectedly delicate or fastidious in manner (typically used of a man, especially a gay man)."
As opposed to being a hate mongering fascist?
Why are people like you so unhinged
bit of a strange reply. It suggests that you may very well be a bit unhinged
Cool story freud
Libs are terrible
Have you tried not being a cunt?
TLDR; how do I racisms!?
It used to be hate speech is free speech. Now it’s free speech is hate speech.
Want to protect yourself? Dont spread hate.
I mean, I get your point, but saying “antisemitism, xenophobia, racism hatespeech and other bullshit” implies that you think xenophobia, racism and other forms of prejudice are bullshit. If you refer to that the practice of those is bullshit, I hope you get what you want (honestly besides vpn I got nothing)
If you refer to the opinion that these terms are bullshit in the sense that you “don’t believe” in racism and that people that claim they are victims of racism are a bunch of cry babies, then I urge you to reconsider your thoughts because that’s, well, racism (and other forms of prejudice)
Damn hella boot lickers in the comments lmao
Generally speaking the internet in that part of Europe is very hostile.
No clue why, the people themselves aren't half bad when I went visit.
I hope your neighbor's goat gets imprisoned for hatespeech /s
Just so you know, people, I love when I get downvoted. It tells me 2 things: 1. I deal with people that were born in the west, and have no clue what it is being discussed ( man-children, cry babies ) 2. People need to read "1984" a few extra times until they realize exactly what the book actually says.
No matter where you are, you have to be careful what you say. You can’t hide from the consequences of your actions. This is in line with the Buddha’s teaching on dependent origination, as I understand it. Harm to others results in harm to you, no matter your technological defenses.
So I understand your frustration with the government, but even if there was no government, punching yourself in the face will always hurt, and that’s what you’re doing by insulting others.
Now, I respect your right to do that, but I urge you to observe your life and how the negative aspects of it are largely if not entirely self-created. And if there are no negative aspects now, there will be soon. So speak carefully: for your own good.
"Hate speech" is often not harmful.
I understand your perspective, and I’m not speaking against hate speech. All I’m saying is that everyone is vulnerable to pain, and if you would not like to be harmed, then don’t act in a way that intends harm for others.
My friend is irritated by babies crying but that doesn’t bother me as much as other noises which don’t bother her, for instance. But do as you want: it’s your life.
You're kidding yourself if you think these "hate speech" laws are logical or reasonable. They are simply used to punish political dissent.
Although I suspect you already know that.
I’m not speaking about hate speech at all. All I’m doing is saying that every word will come back to you, and that is a law that you can’t circumvent. Use your intelligence to guide your behavior.
Why are you concerned about going to jail for hate speech? Do you want to promote these values?
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Yes, I need a drawing. You said people go to jail for "antisemitism, xenophobia, racism hatespeech". I don't see the problem. People who use that kind of speech need to be sent to reeducation camps because they've developed severe brainrot.
So you didnt read the op again or paid attention to it
Let me know when you do that
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Please provide an instance of this happening. Literally one
Threatening prison over what values a person promotes is fundamentally against freedom of speech.
gosh, we all so cooked if you represent the majority of how people think.
giving the government the right to define speech laws and arrest you for them is not good.
do u really think all those Pro-Palestinian protests that were squashed in the UK for having what the government deemed as antisimetic rhetoric should be squashed, but do you think they should also be in prison?
Oh man, I understand you so well.
Sounds like you know you fall into the target of what this law is trying to stop, so, maybe stop being racist, xenophobic, and hateful.
You see no world where the Romanian government could use this kind of policy for political persecution? What if perhaps someone criticizes either side of the Israel Palestine conflict. Either way people are frequently called antisemitic or Islamophobic. Do they deserve to be jailed for an opinion on a controversial topic? What if they just didn’t like a specific politician who happened to fit on of the protected classes. You think it’s impossible they abuse this clause to silence objections?