This is like a caricature of what I imagine chemical waste to look like. But seriously, who do we report it to? EPA? I doubt this administration will do anything. Does Utah have an environmental org?
Cattle graze Stansbury Island BLM land. I've seen them as recently as November, I 'd say the nearest gracing is within 1/2 mile probably of the barrels, but I am going off memory on that.
You misunderstood / I wasn't clear... I don't ranch cattle, I hike out that way occasionally, and saw the barrels, and cows last time I was there, in November.(Edit say to saw)
Yes, but being a local you could more easily track down the right people to report this to. Starting with the person grazing their cattle. You can find the permit holders on the blm Utah website
To find out who owns a grazing permit on BLM land in Utah, follow these steps:Identify the specific grazing allotment: BLM land is divided into grazing allotments. Use BLM's public geospatial tools and maps to determine the allotment ID or name for the land in question. Key resources include:The BLM Utah Grazing Allotments and Pastures interactive map (available at gbp-blm-egis.hub.arcgis.com/maps/076a10d031b147cf87500c04bd2cbca4), which shows boundaries and basic details for allotments in Utah.
The national BLM Navigation Portal (blm.gov/navigator) or GeoCortex viewer for more detailed land queries.
Utah-specific GIS data from the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center (gis.utah.gov) or DataBasin (databasin.org/datasets/1397068f2d6d4241962b2135ec137494), which include BLM allotment polygons.
Zoom in on the location, click on the area, and note the allotment number, name, or other identifiers from popups or attribute tables.
Access the Rangeland Administration System (RAS) reports: Once you have the allotment details, go to the BLM's public RAS reporting site at reports.blm.gov/reports/RAS. This system provides free, public reports on grazing authorizations without requiring a login.Select the "Allotment Information" or "Allotment Master" report to get basic details on the allotment, including associated operators (permit holders).
For direct permit holder info, use the "Operator Information" report, which includes the permittee's name, address, authorization number, expiration date, livestock details, and associated allotments.
Filter or run the report using criteria like administrative state (select Utah), field office, allotment number/name, or operator name if known. Reports can be generated for specific allotments or broader areas.
It's adjacent, with no fence or barrier to BLM land. If I were a land manager at BLM, I would want to know what's going on on state land right next to my multi-use area. I notified the office of this thread and asked what's going on.
When every news story prop dony't like or doesn't want to acknowledge it is "fake news". This is a big driver of why journalism in the US is becoming shit. It also doesn't help that YouTube conspiracy theorists are more popular than actual news outlets
But we can see how clearly the Utah government cares about cleaning the environment. And is it any surprise considering how they treat things like the lake pollution or air pollution?
If you think that people with graduate degrees in environmental science (DEQ employees) don't care about the environment, you should probably go outside and touch grass. Maybe just not in this location.
This is a crime scene and investigations need to be conducted deliberately.
This is also a potential health hazard, which means exercising an abundance of caution with respect to collecting and analyzing samples.
Sample results take time to get back once the results come back one needs to formulate a plan for safe remediation.
This often means follow-up investigations to evaluate the extent of the contamination so that one can figure out who is best situated to conduct the work. This frequently means identifying a funding source and then getting bids to meet fulfillment rules aimed at avoiding government corruption.
All of this stuff can be fast tracked if there is an eminent threat to downstream waters, yet another part of the investigation.
Unfortunately, this can of shit is way more common that you'd think, so there is also an element of prioritization involved.
But for you, it is easier to sit on your sofa and criticize those who are only trying to help.
Sorry, I would love to drink that cool-aid with you, but I cannot believe that leaving the steel barrels sitting on a highly corroding surface that is literally dozens of yards from surface water for months, in weather is the best our state government can do. Stay after class please, if you still think they are "investigating an active crime scene"
Being on the news and all, ya kinda figure they would know also...but moving at a political pace. It just sucks they haven't at least made a public "poison stay out" notice..anyway cheers
my mom works for the utah DEQ (department of environmental quality). i sent this to her so she’ll def show it to the scientists that work with her. idk how to complain directly to them with the correct channels though
This is being handled by the Tooele county health department. They are aware of its existence and will take their time to slowly kill everyone in the vicinity.
Only problem is per the sds those are polyurethane precursors and toxic. I’m don’t have the training or equipment to safely move those and I’m not touching them. No cancer for me please and thank you!
And it's been over the Thanksgiving to Christmas break. Trying to cut a meager, poorly funded team some slack here...but man...something as small as some caution tape and some stakes would go a long way toward public trust here.
When the worst thing you have to worry about is toxic waste spill in the middle of nowhere? Instead of farming all day and night just for your crops to fail and you die? Or getting sick once and just shitting yourself to death? Or getting enslaved by some people who passed by on a ship and now you get back breaking labor all day and visiting your masters chamber at night? Yeah you have it rough.
Whataboutism urging us to consider how bad it's been and how much worse it could get does not excuse the fact that it could be sooo much better. It's not wrong to want and expect more than just a hair above abysmal.
They know, we know, and now they know we know it, but the question is what the ffff is it still on the floor for? Clean it up investigating can be a rough start but it has to be done anyway. So clean it before the big rain finally falls and spreads it out even worse, oh I guess that too is a missed chance. Is it a democrat, or republican to blame, then blame them and move on to get it fixed.
We live 3 hour drive south, and only care about the earth, so yeah that's our dog in the fight. Anyway happy new year
Jesus Christ. With the warm weather and spilled waste we really are reaching the goddamn apocalypse. For a state with such pure beauty the local government REALLY doesn’t give a rat’s ass about protecting it.
The barrels had been sitting on the side of the road for so long they were basically part of the town’s identity. Kids used them as a landmark. “Turn left at the glowing sludge,” The local government treated the illegal toxic waste dump the same way it treated potholes; by hoping it would either go away on its own or achieve historical landmark status.
Every few months an official would show up, take a photo, nod gravely, and announce, “Yes, this is definitely bad.” Then they’d leave, comforted by the knowledge that acknowledging a problem is basically the same thing as solving it.
This is how the Toxic Avenger happened. Not because the town wanted a vigilante, but because it was cheaper than hiring a cleanup crew. Why spend millions on environmental remediation when you can just wait for radioactive justice to emerge from a ditch?
The best part was how quickly the town adapted. “We don’t have a waste problem,” officials said. “We have a superhero.” Cleanup budgets were quietly replaced with a vague line item labeled unconventional enforcement. The barrels kept leaking, the road kept glowing, and the government kept insisting everything was under review.
And from their perspective, it worked. Crime went down, tourists showed up, and the toxic waste? Still there but now it had brand recognition.
Clearly none of you all know the history of Coldwater Creek… the government doesn’t care. It’s been 80 years there and they are just now “allowed” to file lawsuits… on the governments terms and conditions.
Where's that stupid Physicians Environmental Group with all their billions of dollars to help? they just like to sue people for money they don't actually like to make a difference.
I have no idea what you are referring to but this was likely a result from a known construction project, and if not, it is the states responsibility to figure out where it came from and IF THEY can't, tax dollars clean it up. Superheros in the "economic waste" division don't come around that often.
I like how the barrel was freshly dumped on its side for the photo. If it was found like that, you wouldn't see the liquid pooled on the surface, free of any dust. It's obviously a very fresh spill onto the dirt. If it was tipped for a photo op, that person should be prosecuted. Even without a lid, that container was doing its job until someone decided to dump it into the dirt.
I hope I'm not right. If I am, I believe that person is just as guilty as the ones to left the waste there.
This is like a caricature of what I imagine chemical waste to look like. But seriously, who do we report it to? EPA? I doubt this administration will do anything. Does Utah have an environmental org?
Utah DNR or Tooele county Most likely has Jurisdiction. Its their problem.
Find out if cattle are grazed on that area then go through cattle grazing organizations.
Cattle graze Stansbury Island BLM land. I've seen them as recently as November, I 'd say the nearest gracing is within 1/2 mile probably of the barrels, but I am going off memory on that.
Youd have better luck than anyone else here simce your so close
You misunderstood / I wasn't clear... I don't ranch cattle, I hike out that way occasionally, and saw the barrels, and cows last time I was there, in November.(Edit say to saw)
Yes, but being a local you could more easily track down the right people to report this to. Starting with the person grazing their cattle. You can find the permit holders on the blm Utah website
I just sent the BLM office that would have jurisdiction if they are on BLM land a link to this post. Thanks for the prod.
To find out who owns a grazing permit on BLM land in Utah, follow these steps:Identify the specific grazing allotment: BLM land is divided into grazing allotments. Use BLM's public geospatial tools and maps to determine the allotment ID or name for the land in question. Key resources include:The BLM Utah Grazing Allotments and Pastures interactive map (available at gbp-blm-egis.hub.arcgis.com/maps/076a10d031b147cf87500c04bd2cbca4), which shows boundaries and basic details for allotments in Utah. The national BLM Navigation Portal (blm.gov/navigator) or GeoCortex viewer for more detailed land queries. Utah-specific GIS data from the Utah Automated Geographic Reference Center (gis.utah.gov) or DataBasin (databasin.org/datasets/1397068f2d6d4241962b2135ec137494), which include BLM allotment polygons.
Zoom in on the location, click on the area, and note the allotment number, name, or other identifiers from popups or attribute tables. Access the Rangeland Administration System (RAS) reports: Once you have the allotment details, go to the BLM's public RAS reporting site at reports.blm.gov/reports/RAS. This system provides free, public reports on grazing authorizations without requiring a login.Select the "Allotment Information" or "Allotment Master" report to get basic details on the allotment, including associated operators (permit holders). For direct permit holder info, use the "Operator Information" report, which includes the permittee's name, address, authorization number, expiration date, livestock details, and associated allotments. Filter or run the report using criteria like administrative state (select Utah), field office, allotment number/name, or operator name if known. Reports can be generated for specific allotments or broader areas.
It’s not on BLM, it’s on state land
It's adjacent, with no fence or barrier to BLM land. If I were a land manager at BLM, I would want to know what's going on on state land right next to my multi-use area. I notified the office of this thread and asked what's going on.
The fact that the Utah government already knows about it and they're just leaving it this long is also a caricature of how Utah sees the environment.
Utah legislators would shit in their bathtubs and sit in their own filth if it made a buck for their donors.
The real failing is the lack of strong investigative journalism, no shade thrown at those actually still trying to do journalism in the age.
Sorry, it's early... I want to clarify... Our state government is actively failing us on this, and the slow death of journalism is enabling them.
When every news story prop dony't like or doesn't want to acknowledge it is "fake news". This is a big driver of why journalism in the US is becoming shit. It also doesn't help that YouTube conspiracy theorists are more popular than actual news outlets
I wonder if we can report this to like the DNR or something?
The Utah DEQ spill reporting line is the correct place to report this.
https://deq.utah.gov/general/report-an-incident
They already know about it:
https://kslnewsradio.com/environment-outdoors/leaking-oil-drums/2266059/
But we can see how clearly the Utah government cares about cleaning the environment. And is it any surprise considering how they treat things like the lake pollution or air pollution?
This is where we have to hold them accountable, keep putting pressure on.
If you think that people with graduate degrees in environmental science (DEQ employees) don't care about the environment, you should probably go outside and touch grass. Maybe just not in this location.
This is a crime scene and investigations need to be conducted deliberately.
This is also a potential health hazard, which means exercising an abundance of caution with respect to collecting and analyzing samples.
Sample results take time to get back once the results come back one needs to formulate a plan for safe remediation.
This often means follow-up investigations to evaluate the extent of the contamination so that one can figure out who is best situated to conduct the work. This frequently means identifying a funding source and then getting bids to meet fulfillment rules aimed at avoiding government corruption.
All of this stuff can be fast tracked if there is an eminent threat to downstream waters, yet another part of the investigation.
Unfortunately, this can of shit is way more common that you'd think, so there is also an element of prioritization involved.
But for you, it is easier to sit on your sofa and criticize those who are only trying to help.
Yes.. thats why they are still sitting there.. without any precautions or warning.. totally..
Sorry, I would love to drink that cool-aid with you, but I cannot believe that leaving the steel barrels sitting on a highly corroding surface that is literally dozens of yards from surface water for months, in weather is the best our state government can do. Stay after class please, if you still think they are "investigating an active crime scene"
Being on the news and all, ya kinda figure they would know also...but moving at a political pace. It just sucks they haven't at least made a public "poison stay out" notice..anyway cheers
You can report to the Utah Department of Environmental Quality (https://deq.utah.gov/general/report-an-incident). This most likely falls under state or local jurisdiction. Depending on the location you can also report to the environmental director or the appropriate local health department (https://ibis.utah.gov/ibisph-view/about/LocalHealth.html).
EPA was mostly killed by the Trump admin. Wild west now.
Could drop an Olympic swimming pool worth of poison directly into the water supply and long as it didn't kill a state senator, no one would care.
But despite all that, reporting is still probably worthwhile.
Edit: On second thought, no one cares about state senators. It'd have to kill a US senator. Like Mike Lee.
Utah DEQ. Call them and local media. I've emailed and called them both.
my mom works for the utah DEQ (department of environmental quality). i sent this to her so she’ll def show it to the scientists that work with her. idk how to complain directly to them with the correct channels though
It was on KSL a few weeks ago. Apparently No one cares enough to take responsibility.
They should do a follow up report
Write them! I wrote them about it yesterday, keeping on pressure.
This is being handled by the Tooele county health department. They are aware of its existence and will take their time to slowly kill everyone in the vicinity.
Posted on this sub like 4 weeks ago then last week now today. How can we get this problem fixed?
Gotta get it on the national news cycle so the Utah government can feel some pressure/embarrasment
It’s already an embarrassing place.
1: Find someone with a flatbed truck with a hydraulic lift or rent one.
2: Find someone with a professional film crew and gear.
3: Hire a good lawyer.
4: Round up about 4 or 5 others do work with you.
5: Drive out there and load the barrells onto the flatbed.
6: Drive the barrells to 195 N 1950 W in Salt Lake City. Unload them so they fill any reserved parking space or block the front enterance.
7: Post bail, edit the video and post it on line. There are a number of environmental groups who'd likely host it.
Once the barrells are threatening the health of everyone at DEQ and HHS, magically, the personel and money to dispose of it properly, will appear.
Only problem is per the sds those are polyurethane precursors and toxic. I’m don’t have the training or equipment to safely move those and I’m not touching them. No cancer for me please and thank you!
They stopped funding the EPA and cut workers, so I'm sure they're backlogged
And it's been over the Thanksgiving to Christmas break. Trying to cut a meager, poorly funded team some slack here...but man...something as small as some caution tape and some stakes would go a long way toward public trust here.
Where the hell is Captain Planet when we need him?
Be a shame if someone put these drums on the front yard of state representatives.
If some provides the correct PPE and points me where. I may/or may not know someone that can do this?
It really would because that person would be exposed to the chemicals and that is unlikely to be good for them.
I hate the timeline I’m living in
I hate the people who run this state and the timeline we live in
When the worst thing you have to worry about is toxic waste spill in the middle of nowhere? Instead of farming all day and night just for your crops to fail and you die? Or getting sick once and just shitting yourself to death? Or getting enslaved by some people who passed by on a ship and now you get back breaking labor all day and visiting your masters chamber at night? Yeah you have it rough.
Today is the best time to be alive.
Whataboutism urging us to consider how bad it's been and how much worse it could get does not excuse the fact that it could be sooo much better. It's not wrong to want and expect more than just a hair above abysmal.
You’re right, but comments like “I hate the timeline I’m living in” are beyond corny.
And yet people want to cut environmental protection even more
They know, we know, and now they know we know it, but the question is what the ffff is it still on the floor for? Clean it up investigating can be a rough start but it has to be done anyway. So clean it before the big rain finally falls and spreads it out even worse, oh I guess that too is a missed chance. Is it a democrat, or republican to blame, then blame them and move on to get it fixed. We live 3 hour drive south, and only care about the earth, so yeah that's our dog in the fight. Anyway happy new year
Governor Caillou err Spencer is too busy talking about economic growth! This is a poster child for Republican policies ! 😂🤣
That's crazy that the city hadn't done anything
Jesus Christ. With the warm weather and spilled waste we really are reaching the goddamn apocalypse. For a state with such pure beauty the local government REALLY doesn’t give a rat’s ass about protecting it.
The barrels had been sitting on the side of the road for so long they were basically part of the town’s identity. Kids used them as a landmark. “Turn left at the glowing sludge,” The local government treated the illegal toxic waste dump the same way it treated potholes; by hoping it would either go away on its own or achieve historical landmark status.
Every few months an official would show up, take a photo, nod gravely, and announce, “Yes, this is definitely bad.” Then they’d leave, comforted by the knowledge that acknowledging a problem is basically the same thing as solving it.
This is how the Toxic Avenger happened. Not because the town wanted a vigilante, but because it was cheaper than hiring a cleanup crew. Why spend millions on environmental remediation when you can just wait for radioactive justice to emerge from a ditch?
The best part was how quickly the town adapted. “We don’t have a waste problem,” officials said. “We have a superhero.” Cleanup budgets were quietly replaced with a vague line item labeled unconventional enforcement. The barrels kept leaking, the road kept glowing, and the government kept insisting everything was under review.
And from their perspective, it worked. Crime went down, tourists showed up, and the toxic waste? Still there but now it had brand recognition.
Sad that land is sacred beauty
Don't worry, this is just what they're using in our drinking water after taking the fluoride out. Hello tooth decay, good bye epidermis.
Clearly none of you all know the history of Coldwater Creek… the government doesn’t care. It’s been 80 years there and they are just now “allowed” to file lawsuits… on the governments terms and conditions.
thats what we shower and drink in if it makes it to the water table.
I don't get what you're fussing about. The inside of the barrel looks pretty clean to me.
Call and report to your health department until something is done. This would have been taken care of quickly in salt lake county. 😑
This. If everyone on this post called DEQ or the local news, it should, emphasis on should, get it taken care of.
This was dumped back in May or June I believe. Wild the epa or someone hasn't cleaned it up. Their be the first to fine us!
I love living in this healthy and in no way terrible state, everything is great and everyone cares so much /s
Gross 🤮
https://www.ksl.com/article/51413796/officials-leaking-barrels-near-great-salt-lake-arent-suspicious-public-health-risk-low it’s being taken care of apparently and is low risk so they might be working on more important spills
Where's that stupid Physicians Environmental Group with all their billions of dollars to help? they just like to sue people for money they don't actually like to make a difference.
I have no idea what you are referring to but this was likely a result from a known construction project, and if not, it is the states responsibility to figure out where it came from and IF THEY can't, tax dollars clean it up. Superheros in the "economic waste" division don't come around that often.
I like how the barrel was freshly dumped on its side for the photo. If it was found like that, you wouldn't see the liquid pooled on the surface, free of any dust. It's obviously a very fresh spill onto the dirt. If it was tipped for a photo op, that person should be prosecuted. Even without a lid, that container was doing its job until someone decided to dump it into the dirt.
I hope I'm not right. If I am, I believe that person is just as guilty as the ones to left the waste there.
I touched nothing, you can see in the Photo the Liquid is dried.
It's gravel not dirt and it isn't freshly spilled.
Im sure there is a lot of real and horrible dumping going on- but this is obviously an AI generated image.