He said 8-1 and 8-2 were basically done and that 8-3 was close to done. Unless 8-4 ends up being the most complex boss level in the game i think we're looking at a February release at most
Assuming this isn't a "haha we'll have to wait a year because 2026" joke, it's four levels of a game, two of which are said to be done and a third to be almost done, we are not gonna be waiting that much longer
Understandable, but I think if we were that close he would have given a January or February date; probably what's ready are rougher versions of the levels that will still receive the small "luxuries" that make the game seem more premium, things like the sleeping husk on the 7-2 clock, and I can wait for that. I doubt 8-4 will be anything like the Earthmover; that was most likely a one-off case. We'll probably just have a climactic build-up until the boss.
why are they acting like this hasn't been a thing in videogames for a good while and it's something totally new that's never been done before? portal 1 literally doees exactly that and it has been out for almost 20 years. none of this is anywhere near as complex as you people are trying to make it out to be lmfao.
First off, Portals in Portal seem simpler than Ultrakills, where two places are existing in the same space.
Second off, Hakita and the rest of the development team are not a muti-billion dollar company.
Third off, Portal is a puzzle game, where as ultrakill is a fast-paced hyper FPS with explosions, blood, and gore everywhere. Two completely different styles of games.
hi! computer science major here! making smooth portals in a fast-paced first-person shooter that can move and propagate lights and sounds that enemies can react to and travel through in a game where enemy ai relies/relied upon baked pathfinding maps is kinda fucking hard
i understand that it's difficult for small dev teams/solo devs to do things the same way as companies but that was not the point of my comment. the point was people are acting like this is some kind of coding feat that's never been done before in the history of programming which couldn't be further away from the truth at all
Yknow why most games that include portals are puzzlers and not high action shooters? Because if they were high action shooters they would have to deal with
projectiles, and lots of them
extremely quick travel through portals repeatedly
enemy pathfinding
-homing projectiles
the player having much more vertical freedom
Not to mention that coding a game based around the use of portals is much easier than adding portals to an existing game. Everything you design in a portal based game is informed by the existence of portals. Adding portals to a game means you have to redesign or add mechanics.
portals (like as in “Portal“ and “Portal 2”)? sure. PORTALS (like as shown in “Two Places, One Space”), no. the difference between those two is that ULTRAKILL has moving portals. and isn't a puzzle game. and a game where literally everything you can see is moving. and it doesn't help that Fraud is non-Euclidean by itself already
Portal is a puzzle game and ultrakill is a shooter with 32 different things happening at any given time. One super simple example of a disparity I can think of is pathfinding of enemies through portals
Yeah, it's so easy anyone could do it right, Mr Smartass? If so you could upload a working, moving portal that can let both light and sound through in a way that would make sense while also having AI enemies be able to utilize the portals the same way the player is able to use them. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to do since to you making games is just placing blocks down like it's a fucking puzzle
Honestly probably for the best, we don't want the update coming out half cooked and we really don't want the devs working themselves to death like with 6-2
Irs great that it's making progress, and considering we only have 3 weeks left in the year, it's better for a delay than to crunch the devs for a release. That means 8-4 can be developed without crunching. Maybe the game will be complete by the end of next year. Hopefully fraud gets finished around january or early feburary.
So long as Hakita's not pushing himself to the point of vomiting and cranking out bossfight tunes literally 6 hours before it drops as was the case with Act 2
Ultrakill is but a game, his own physical health is not
Yeah, they should stop trying to crank out every update to the last second, like they did with... Violence... Full Arsenal... ULTRA_REVAMP... it's like tradiiton at this point.
While this does suck as I was hoping Fraud would release during Christmas as a reward for all the bullshit school has put me through in the past month. I'm not too mad, I have other things to look forward too and other games to play. At least Gloomwood is getting an update this month (I think).
On the other hand, more time for an update to cook in the oven is always better. I trust Hakita's team. And I guess extending the hype era for slightly longer is not that bad...
I kinda think this is good because now i got more time to p rank act 2. Currently Im stuck on 5-2 and cant seem to beat the level in the required amount of time
Sawtraps melt the ferryman, as well as having time to set up one before both of his phases (Just don't set up saws too close to the idols as they will eat your melee instead of breaking the idols).
As well Rocket Riding straight towards the idol during the interlude between his first and second phase is much faster than climbing up on foot.
I would also recommend learning the parry timings for the ferrymans attack in sandbox, will help you melt him even faster.
As for the double idol room, insta-killing the maurice that spawns in the first wave will make the rest every easy.
Then during the second wave I like to set up both a Sawtrap and Firestarter trap for the two Cerbs, as well as insta-killing one with the SRS Cannon. Remember that rockets in general have a damage bonus against Cerbs. As well; lining up a Railcannon as they both spawn sounds like a good strategy (Though I personally haven't tested it). Then the Virtue can be insta-killed anyway you see fit.
If you are having trouble with rocket riding; you don't need to learn any of the fancy mid-air insta-mounts, just simply freeze then shoot a rocket towards where you want to go, jump, then slam. This can even work if you freeze a rocket you are currently riding!
Using the Oil from the Red Rocket Launcher and igniting it before enemies spawn.
it has Similar applications as sawblades and can often be using in tandem with them to create deadlier traps.
Unlike sawblades, the firestarter can be used pretty much anywhere as it doesn't have the durability mechanic when hitting walls and it doesn't have the orbit around magnets.
Just as I predicted wow! I mean, delayed art is forever good. Good on Hakita for making the interactions happen at all, he can figure them out and drop the next 4 levels on us so we can start using Gold Arm against P-2 and be happy kiddos
Nah let them take their time, we all want Fraud, even the devs, but if that means that they'll suffer from crunching then I think we're all willing to wait.
As much as I desperately want fraud so I can play more Ultrakill as soon as possible even though I do still have some secret levels to unlock and lore to find and most of my ranks are really bad so I have even more incentive to replay the game. I also want this to be the best and more importantly; polished it possibly can be and most importantly for the Ultrakill team to be satisfied with their work
Super delusional comment when he's talking about how there'll be some bad news that we can already guess. (Also for all we know they could've not even started on the layer's final boss yet, and making a good bossfight takes time.)
So 8-3 isn't done, the first two levels and "done-ish", and the fourth level's progress is unknown. And to release it all this year they have a bit more than two weeks to polish everything.
Yeah, no, they're definitely not releasing it this year. And the fact that it's a boss level definitely doesn't mean that it will be easy to make, especially considering it will likely use the different dimensions gimick all the other levels had. My bet is February.
better than a single boss fight, it's boring doing p-1 bc it{s just straight up the fight, p-2 is the whole level. And if u want to do just the boss, u can always skip to the end in like 30 seconds in p-2
Update on when he thinks it’ll be out
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Well, I guess we will wait another year.
it'll be like January or early February at most, I don't think we need to doom this hard.
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Doomguy when he can't play Fraud yet (he P-ranked every level currently out)
how the fuck did he P-rank the encores on brutal
He's the slayer
the levels are afraid to give him anything lower than a P
he found out how busted the Firestarter and Jumpstart Sawblade Launcher are
He restricted himself from using them for that reason
He P-Ranked them fists only.
No? He prefers guns for the thrill
He did it as a challenge once.
This means it might be the same time as the Terraria update, great news for me
I said this like 2 days ago and got downvoted lmao. People in here are seriously in denial about their game not coming out
He said 8-1 and 8-2 were basically done and that 8-3 was close to done. Unless 8-4 ends up being the most complex boss level in the game i think we're looking at a February release at most
Damn, guess the Game Awards (Or some other dissapointing game. For me it was Metroid Prime 4) messed you up huh?
Silksong trained me enough, I can wait for 7 more years!
Definitely won't be a year
Assuming this isn't a "haha we'll have to wait a year because 2026" joke, it's four levels of a game, two of which are said to be done and a third to be almost done, we are not gonna be waiting that much longer
Understandable, but I think if we were that close he would have given a January or February date; probably what's ready are rougher versions of the levels that will still receive the small "luxuries" that make the game seem more premium, things like the sleeping husk on the 7-2 clock, and I can wait for that. I doubt 8-4 will be anything like the Earthmover; that was most likely a one-off case. We'll probably just have a climactic build-up until the boss.
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Well he lied about the release date as to fit with the theme, so of course.
Omg hakita is a genius!!!
Shakira** I don't know who d this hakita is impersonating the real lead developer
That’s fair and understandable
But I must meme so
Fraud is always tomorrow, and never today
never put off until tomorrow, what can be fraudulent today
Fraud is all tomorrows
say that again?
I'm honestly relieved. I'd rather have a full Fraud later rather than a half baked one now. I wish the best for the dev team
High fraud sounds sick as hell though
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to be fair, Fraud is the most non euclidian and ambitious layer in hell so far, even more so than violence thus would understand.
also
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Hakita and Co. out here having to learn 4-dimensional acoustics just to make 4 levels of their game. You just have to respect the dedication
they actually had to build irl portals so they could study how sound propagation would work
Hakita is secretly cave johnson
why are they acting like this hasn't been a thing in videogames for a good while and it's something totally new that's never been done before? portal 1 literally doees exactly that and it has been out for almost 20 years. none of this is anywhere near as complex as you people are trying to make it out to be lmfao.
First off, Portals in Portal seem simpler than Ultrakills, where two places are existing in the same space.
Second off, Hakita and the rest of the development team are not a muti-billion dollar company.
Third off, Portal is a puzzle game, where as ultrakill is a fast-paced hyper FPS with explosions, blood, and gore everywhere. Two completely different styles of games.
truly spoken like someone with 0 knowledge on gamedev
i don't think someone who actively uses character.ai should have the right to speak anything about gamedev, or anything at all actually
hi! computer science major here! making smooth portals in a fast-paced first-person shooter that can move and propagate lights and sounds that enemies can react to and travel through in a game where enemy ai relies/relied upon baked pathfinding maps is kinda fucking hard
i dont even have an acc on c.ai LMAOO
c.ai and gamedev have nearly no things in common except for lines of script, if you're going to make an accusation make it make sense at least
Hakita is not Valve
Also Valve never had to deal with moving portals and fighting non-stationary enemies
And they didn't have to contend with retroactively adding portals into a game that already sits atop a throne of spaghetti
Portal was developed on the Source engine, and is literally just a mod for Half-Life 2.
i understand that it's difficult for small dev teams/solo devs to do things the same way as companies but that was not the point of my comment. the point was people are acting like this is some kind of coding feat that's never been done before in the history of programming which couldn't be further away from the truth at all
Yknow why most games that include portals are puzzlers and not high action shooters? Because if they were high action shooters they would have to deal with
Not to mention that coding a game based around the use of portals is much easier than adding portals to an existing game. Everything you design in a portal based game is informed by the existence of portals. Adding portals to a game means you have to redesign or add mechanics.
just because it’s been done before doesn’t mean it’s not complex as hell
portals (like as in “Portal“ and “Portal 2”)? sure. PORTALS (like as shown in “Two Places, One Space”), no. the difference between those two is that ULTRAKILL has moving portals. and isn't a puzzle game. and a game where literally everything you can see is moving. and it doesn't help that Fraud is non-Euclidean by itself already
Portal is a puzzle game and ultrakill is a shooter with 32 different things happening at any given time. One super simple example of a disparity I can think of is pathfinding of enemies through portals
Yeah, it's so easy anyone could do it right, Mr Smartass? If so you could upload a working, moving portal that can let both light and sound through in a way that would make sense while also having AI enemies be able to utilize the portals the same way the player is able to use them. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to do since to you making games is just placing blocks down like it's a fucking puzzle
better than cyberpunk 2077 all over again
Dang, no Christmas release :(
Excited for january now.
Honestly probably for the best, we don't want the update coming out half cooked and we really don't want the devs working themselves to death like with 6-2
and ULTRA_REVAMP where they had to crunch 30 hour session just before the update dropped
What happened with 6-2?
on dev commentary stream #2 (acts 5-7), Hakita said he had to crunch doing Death of God's Will OST, and it basically took a toll on his health.
And yet it's STILL one of the best songs in the game
If Hakita made that masterpiece on a time crunch, then I don't wanna KNOW what kind of cinema he can make with all the time in the world!
Fraud won't be tomorrow. It is so over.
dont lose hope, fraud will be tomorrow one day
it will be overmorrow every tomorrow
Irs great that it's making progress, and considering we only have 3 weeks left in the year, it's better for a delay than to crunch the devs for a release. That means 8-4 can be developed without crunching. Maybe the game will be complete by the end of next year. Hopefully fraud gets finished around january or early feburary.
As long as it's confirmed we'll still be getting fraud and the entire game is not getting cancelled/abandoned.
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Side note: can we get a Sisyphus version of this image(Since p-2//wait of the world)
So long as Hakita's not pushing himself to the point of vomiting and cranking out bossfight tunes literally 6 hours before it drops as was the case with Act 2
Ultrakill is but a game, his own physical health is not
Yeah, they should stop trying to crank out every update to the last second, like they did with... Violence... Full Arsenal... ULTRA_REVAMP... it's like tradiiton at this point.
Fraud Tomorrow
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bro is hoping that fraud is tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow.........
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FRAUD TOMMOROW IM ALL IN- wait its real? :(
better than fraud being released now and having a shitton of bugs
Nice! I still got time to do some speedruns
Might it even be 5-4 and 7-1?
oh hey it's the guy from the leaderboards hi
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Guys, is it too late to refund the game at this point?
if you're quick you might still get it
id rather the devs have a nice winter holiday and release later than crunch and burn out tbh. fraud can wait, fraud is always tomorrow
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Welll i am waiting
what if hes fraudulent and actually trying to trick us into believing its not tomorrow
Maybe the true frauds were the hakita's wo tomorrowed along the way
While this does suck as I was hoping Fraud would release during Christmas as a reward for all the bullshit school has put me through in the past month. I'm not too mad, I have other things to look forward too and other games to play. At least Gloomwood is getting an update this month (I think).
Yeah, I was expecting that…
FRAUD NEXT YEAR
I mean, this was expected. No info about a date or whatsoever and we're quickly approaching Christmas.
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Fraud next year
It's so Fraudover...
On the other hand, more time for an update to cook in the oven is always better. I trust Hakita's team. And I guess extending the hype era for slightly longer is not that bad...
I kinda think this is good because now i got more time to p rank act 2. Currently Im stuck on 5-2 and cant seem to beat the level in the required amount of time
Try rocket riding to the ferryman's ship after all other enemies die
Good tip. As you only need to place to blue skull.
Your having trouble with Time on 5-2? where's the part where you feel you lose the most time, I may be able to help. (If you want oc)
I think its either ferryman boss fight or the room after you first see the statues
Sawtraps melt the ferryman, as well as having time to set up one before both of his phases (Just don't set up saws too close to the idols as they will eat your melee instead of breaking the idols).
As well Rocket Riding straight towards the idol during the interlude between his first and second phase is much faster than climbing up on foot.
I would also recommend learning the parry timings for the ferrymans attack in sandbox, will help you melt him even faster.
As for the double idol room, insta-killing the maurice that spawns in the first wave will make the rest every easy.
Then during the second wave I like to set up both a Sawtrap and Firestarter trap for the two Cerbs, as well as insta-killing one with the SRS Cannon. Remember that rockets in general have a damage bonus against Cerbs. As well; lining up a Railcannon as they both spawn sounds like a good strategy (Though I personally haven't tested it). Then the Virtue can be insta-killed anyway you see fit.
If you are having trouble with rocket riding; you don't need to learn any of the fancy mid-air insta-mounts, just simply freeze then shoot a rocket towards where you want to go, jump, then slam. This can even work if you freeze a rocket you are currently riding!
Hope all this helps.
Thanks just curious whats a fire starter trap
Using the Oil from the Red Rocket Launcher and igniting it before enemies spawn.
it has Similar applications as sawblades and can often be using in tandem with them to create deadlier traps.
Unlike sawblades, the firestarter can be used pretty much anywhere as it doesn't have the durability mechanic when hitting walls and it doesn't have the orbit around magnets.
Thanks for the information
No problem!
It's so over
it's ok, take your time Hakita. we will wait <3
I'm not Hakita but thanks anyways
i know you are not hakita :D i wrote this if he ever reads this reddit thread
I really hope they take their time with this, I'd rather wait for a fully polished update than play a really buggy one
I'm not in a hurry to wait another year; if it's going to be updated, it should be updated properly before we have unfinished content.
I think it's great that he decided to delay the release of Layer 8.
Just as I predicted wow! I mean, delayed art is forever good. Good on Hakita for making the interactions happen at all, he can figure them out and drop the next 4 levels on us so we can start using Gold Arm against P-2 and be happy kiddos
this was kinda obvious
Where yall see This?
The legacy server but it's near impossible to join
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To be fair, it was a little too optimistic to say that Fraud, a layer that plays like none of the other ones, epithelial release this year.
I'm just worried this will clash with Woolhaven's release date.
Really sad but you can't rush perfection
Damn you beat me to it
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Ňooooo
Yeah, I think we all kinda expected this
Damn. Welp at least Fraud will be the best it can possibly be.
I mean whatever, as long as we gettin it. I can wait.
Nah let them take their time, we all want Fraud, even the devs, but if that means that they'll suffer from crunching then I think we're all willing to wait.
so tomorrow instead of today
As much as I desperately want fraud so I can play more Ultrakill as soon as possible even though I do still have some secret levels to unlock and lore to find and most of my ranks are really bad so I have even more incentive to replay the game. I also want this to be the best and more importantly; polished it possibly can be and most importantly for the Ultrakill team to be satisfied with their work
Good
Hmm, so tomorrow then?
You could say this was a fraud
he even lied about the release date to fit the theme of fraud
So Fraud Tomorrow? Got it.
Seriously though, I’ll wait patiently, let the man cook.
Are we thinking Franuary, Frebruary, or Frarch people?
I think Franuary as the majority of the content is made with mostly just 8-4 to do now.
a good cake takes time in the bakery, i dont mind and i doubt anybody does more than a little annoyance
no fraud this month? understandable have a happy holiday season!
Its ultraover
Not a big deal. At least HL3 is getting announced this year!
fraud never
GUYS...! what if the fraud update was actually fraud all along and we skip right over to treachery
*Ignore this comment lmao i didn't read the text correctly and thought it wasn't getting delayed mb
Super delusional comment when he's talking about how there'll be some bad news that we can already guess. (Also for all we know they could've not even started on the layer's final boss yet, and making a good bossfight takes time.)
yeah imma be honest i cant read for shit my bad
ULTRAKILL fans got infected with the being unable to read virus after UT/DR fans got cured
Not the Shay Virus 💔
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He admits to needing the delay
So 8-3 isn't done, the first two levels and "done-ish", and the fourth level's progress is unknown. And to release it all this year they have a bit more than two weeks to polish everything.
Yeah, no, they're definitely not releasing it this year. And the fact that it's a boss level definitely doesn't mean that it will be easy to make, especially considering it will likely use the different dimensions gimick all the other levels had. My bet is February.
I'm guessing concept of levels are done by now it's just making those concepts into reality is the issue.
Though probably easiest level to finish will be 8-4 since by the time they come to that they'll be done with majority of the issues.
yeah i cannot fucking read my bad
Late jan imo since 8-3 still has vey good progress by what hakita said , though early feb is also not impossible
They said it's getting delayed, which means it's not coming out this year. As simple as that. You're just insane
yeah honestly i don't know what i was reading when i commented this
i believe they are doing entire levels with a final boss
Doubt it, considering the other layers maybe 2 bosses with one becoming a semi-regular enemy and for the two others probably just arenas
I hope not, it would be kind of stale
better than a single boss fight, it's boring doing p-1 bc it{s just straight up the fight, p-2 is the whole level. And if u want to do just the boss, u can always skip to the end in like 30 seconds in p-2
You do realize that most of the -4's are just bosses, right? Even 7-4