Arguments I see are.
"It would be boring to fight him again"
Gabriel gets entirely new moves and attack patterns each time he appears only thing that is same about him is his model he is not like V2.
"Well his time is about to run out."
We don't know how long has it been since when Gabriel started killing the council VS when V1 arrives to Treachery or Fraud. I think V1 moving through layers and Gabriel killing the council roughly takes place around the same time.
"We'll get the golden arm from him."
We have not much proof of this but even if we do, we are very late into the game already golden arm being a reward for game's compleation wouldn't be bad since we still have encores left after it, if we get it in 8-4 we will have only 2 main campaign levels to use it in.
Now another thing who would be even a final boss if not Gabriel.
Hell doesn't have much mention in game and it's a bit late to build him up for finale so new players would be confused since only reason we know hell is alive is due to ARG which is outside of the game (Not to mention how easy it would be for hell to kill V1 if it wanted to).
Lucifer is barely mentioned and has 1 line in 5-S.
P-3 Boss would be dumb locking an ending behind P ranking each level would be really annoying to do.
So I ask again why do people not want or think Gabriel won't be the final boss of the game?
because
https://preview.redd.it/y7pol8iz507g1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=23e57a335227a717c01cf12909fa2e7d552f45f0
He looks like Guy Gardner
Hell is a bad final boss option not because of buildup, but because it cannot work in a satisfying way
The two options are basically:
A) shoot the core
B) makes a big demon
Shoot the core could potentially be satisfying, but it would be insanely hard to execute primarily because of lore reasons.
Like right now there is no conceivable way that V1 could defeat Hell, unless Hell literally lets itself be killed. Unless we get some crazy Deus Ex Machina (golden arm? Wink wink) which would probably feel very forced, I don't see this happening.
I think hell having a core would be narratively unsatisfying because it reduces its impossible scope to just like... one organ you can shoot
something stops being unfathomable once you are given a way to fathom it
I can sort of see that, but I think "demystifying" Hell could also be satisfying, although I doubt that's where the story is going.
Like the idea could be something along the lines of "in their endless hubris humanity has managed to construct a being that can even kill an unthinkable God".
It would tie in nicely with V1 defeating Gabriel, the symbol of Heaven; now that we've basically beaten Heaven, the only thing really standing between the machines and the obliteration of all life in the realms is Hell.
If you still want to keep some mystique around Hell, you could even try something like Lobotomy Corporation and literally just censor Hell's "core" with the excuse that V1's processor just auto-blocks it. Although this would fuck with gameplay so probably a bad idea.
All that bein said I doubt that's where Hakita plans to bring the story, the more likely idea is like "God, Heaven, humanity, and now the machines have all fucked with something they should have never fucked with, now they all get to suffer."
except V1 beating Gabriel is the exact opposite of that. V1 beating Gabriel is supposed to mean that even Gabriel, in all his might, can be brought down by a machine. He is just as mortal as everyone else
after all, its Gabriel who says
"I will show them there is nothing to be afraid of, for there is no species nor origin, vested rank or holy status that will stop the sharp edge of a sword."
and
"We all bleed the same blood"
Yeah and if Hakita wanted to, he could extend this even to Hell. Hell is ultimately still a living being. God, the one who's supposed to be the most powerful being in the universe, can't unmake Hell, so even God is flawed, and even God bleeds.
From here, the story ultimately branches into two paths; one where the point is that Hell is unlike any other living being in Ultrakill (including God), and is essentially invincible, and one where Hell is just the same as all the rest, just a living being.
Again I tend to lean towards the former but I don't think the latter is entirely without merit.
yeah I guess that's a fair point, even if far beyond understanding, hell is likely mortal in its own way
I had a idea that if hell ever had a fight it would actually just be all the layers into one arena and killing maybe like puppets there would damage hell, or maybe it would spawn some kind of avatar of itself that changes some times mid fight but I didn't think a lot on that
Well I’m not within that group of people you’re talking about, but I think it’s because some people think angel would be the layer boss for Fraud. While I also do partially agree, the problem is that they specifically want it to be Gabriel. But we can have brand new angel type enemy which sounds WORLD more likely.
I kinda disagree with angel in fraud.
Maybe in 8-2 but not in 8-4 fighting 2 angel bosses back to back in quick succession would kinda takeaway from Gabriel a bit
We haven’t had a single angel as a major boss aside from Gabriel though. Maybe not a supreme angel, but a greater angel would do nicely as a boss for Fraud layer.
Yeah but fighting an angel boss and fighting another one, one level later would take away from Gabriel since he is the only angel boss.
In 8-2 it would be fine but back to back would be a bit weird
Well, we’re going to have Treachery crescendo before finally fighting Gabriel. Also, if the angel boss in Fraud is abstractly shaped like lesser angels then I think it can differentiate itself from Gabriel boss fight.
Yeah that's what I meant by 1 level.
If it is I guess but still think it won't be an angel boss
My take is that Gabriel’s supposed to be V1’s arch nemesis rather than just simply being an angel boss, so I think having an angel boss beforehand won’t take away much from the fight.
Because 80% of Ultrakill players have no pattern recognition lol, it baffles me that people actually believe that.
Ultrakill fans actually stuck up on patterns too much. That way they gaslighted themself fr that V2 in Violence was happening.
I'm in Violence though play 7-S
Tbf there seems to be a reversal in act3.
In act 1 and 2 the giant boss was in the second layer of the act and V2 fights were at the first layers whilst in the third act the big bois are in the first layer. So a fake (fraud) V2 isn't too out of the table for the second layer of the act.
Always keep coping bros. /hj
Because people cannot read and/or cannot think of Ultrakill as having an actual meaningful story, and not being pure hype moments and aura
It's extremely obvious that Gabriel is the main character of Ultrakill and not V1, so the idea that he somehow wouldn't be involved in the climax of Act III is extremely silly
didnt gabriel dilly dally around a fire looking at this sword after he lost a second time we might even get to fight him a third time in the colosseum be displayed councilors head
Yeah he did for a bit I don't see why we would fight him once in fraud and in treachery again though.
imo it would be cool if we saw gabriel in 9-2 but the father's light died out in him so we could either kill him and fight another final boss or like take him along with you (even though it wouldnt make much sense considering v1 is a bloodlusting robot who only needs to kill) and that could maybe like unlock a different ending or something
I think Gabriel is going to be the boss of 9-2 but he’s going to run out of energy before the fight even begins. However, Hell itself will intervene and either give Gabriel a massive power boost or possess and take over his body.
Hear me out, Gabriel infuses itself with hell in some way and becomes Lucifer or hell reincarnate
Schizophrenic Theory:
Ultrakill's final boss will me nothing.
The game will end with there being nothing left in hell for V1 to kill, 9-2 will be a glorified walking simulator to the final door, only for it to never open.
I have a theory that God will return
God returning would go against the game's themes and Gabriel's character arc.
Explain
I have no basis
Just a gut feeling