Psittacosaurus was an early ceratopsid. The great great great great great grand daddy-species to triceratops, kinda. They were about dog sized and the fossils we have are so well preserved that we know exactly what they looked like. Too well, some might argue. There's an entire study of their cloaca.
Now, he didn't say psittacosaurus exactly, but it's close enough that I took the excuse to put out a little dino trivia. I hope you enjoyed.
They have ridiculous eyesight and depth perception, so I wouldn't personally be too worried since her palm is totally flat and the food object was fairly sizeable.
Wouldn't wanna feed it, like, a chicken nugget this way...
How do you/we “know” how their eyesight really is? We believe we know based on animal testing, but we don’t really know unless someone was previously a bird who could verify it.
They fly 20-40mph. It was able to see both the arm and the food from a decent distance. Then approach at speed and grab only the food. That alone is pretty good empirical evidence of strong vision and depth perception.
We can also look at the anatomy of their eye. Then compare it to our own and other animals (hawks have more photoreceptors etc.). Combine that with our understanding of the physics of light and lenses.
Point is we can learn a lot about something without needing it to magically learn to talk.
I would not worry about the eyesight, i would worry more about the brain interpreting relayed info's, cause picking food from a hand is not a typical scenario.
But yeah, i'm pretty sure if it can catch a mouse/rabbit/small bird running/jumping/flying at 20+km/h by skydiving without crashing into ground, it is as safe as it can be.
I was moreso responding to the "how can we know the subjective experience of an animal?" question. As a person who loves biology, it's a frustrating question that discredits the decades of research in a single sentence.
It wasn't a comment on the safety of this maneuver. I probably wouldn't offer my own hand. At least, not without a glove.
I read an article stating much the same thing in Ornithoptometry Today. All of the doctors interviewed were bird certified, with regard to their branch of focus.
We know they have a very large eye-head size ratio, about 15-20x that of the average human. We know most of them have two deep foveae, where humans have only one, and they are a specialised shape compared the basic rounded shape of a human. We also know they have four types of cone cells vs our three, meaning even their colour vision is superior, and that many species have as many as five times the number of these cells as humans.
Humans have relatively exceptional eyesight for a mammal and birds of prey have a bunch of specialised features that categorically give them better eyesight than humans. So yes, one could confidently say birds of prey have good eyesight.
That is before even considering the context of what would be required to swoop and dive on moving prey at the speeds they do and from the distances they do.
Fair enough. Hyperbole is fun. I do agree though if those talons dig into the ligaments of the hand or arteries at the wrist that could be very bad. My knowledge of raptors is limited, seeing them from afar or one really fun day at a raptor sanctuary. A falconry gauntlet might be wise if this is something she wants to do “often.”
Agreed. Some of them even apparently have an instinct which prevents them from opening their talons if they can feel a pulse (although I don’t know how much of that is myth). If it dug into your wrist you are in for a bad time… but you aren’t losing a hand.
Maybe not the whole hand in one fly-by but they could definitely tear some skin right off. Then, infections of hand wounds can be especially nasty and could later result in the necessity for amputation.
Even outside of immediate concerns, you're training that bird that it's ok to come take food that humans have in their hands. That's gonna eventually result in someone getting hurt or the bird dying (or both).
It’s all fun and games until a talon nips a finger.
My first instinct is, "I'm gonna lose a hand doing this."
forget losing a hand, you're gonna get psittacosis
I don't even know what that is, but no thank you.
Psittacosaurus was an early ceratopsid. The great great great great great grand daddy-species to triceratops, kinda. They were about dog sized and the fossils we have are so well preserved that we know exactly what they looked like. Too well, some might argue. There's an entire study of their cloaca.
Now, he didn't say psittacosaurus exactly, but it's close enough that I took the excuse to put out a little dino trivia. I hope you enjoyed.
That was awesome
I can get pistachios? Sign me up.
Bird chlamydia. Isn't that what Tesla had?
How can a car get chlamydia?
Have you seen Elon? Dude has something.
He has too much blood in his ketamine stream.
Is this when you get bird powers from coming into contact with their radioactive talons?
House mention?? 🗣🗣
They have ridiculous eyesight and depth perception, so I wouldn't personally be too worried since her palm is totally flat and the food object was fairly sizeable.
Wouldn't wanna feed it, like, a chicken nugget this way...
How do you/we “know” how their eyesight really is? We believe we know based on animal testing, but we don’t really know unless someone was previously a bird who could verify it.
They fly 20-40mph. It was able to see both the arm and the food from a decent distance. Then approach at speed and grab only the food. That alone is pretty good empirical evidence of strong vision and depth perception.
We can also look at the anatomy of their eye. Then compare it to our own and other animals (hawks have more photoreceptors etc.). Combine that with our understanding of the physics of light and lenses.
Point is we can learn a lot about something without needing it to magically learn to talk.
I would not worry about the eyesight, i would worry more about the brain interpreting relayed info's, cause picking food from a hand is not a typical scenario.
But yeah, i'm pretty sure if it can catch a mouse/rabbit/small bird running/jumping/flying at 20+km/h by skydiving without crashing into ground, it is as safe as it can be.
I was moreso responding to the "how can we know the subjective experience of an animal?" question. As a person who loves biology, it's a frustrating question that discredits the decades of research in a single sentence.
It wasn't a comment on the safety of this maneuver. I probably wouldn't offer my own hand. At least, not without a glove.
Well, we know they don't have shit eyesight, because if they did they would be dead.
I read an article stating much the same thing in Ornithoptometry Today. All of the doctors interviewed were bird certified, with regard to their branch of focus.
Didn't you learn how science works in grade school?
We know they have a very large eye-head size ratio, about 15-20x that of the average human. We know most of them have two deep foveae, where humans have only one, and they are a specialised shape compared the basic rounded shape of a human. We also know they have four types of cone cells vs our three, meaning even their colour vision is superior, and that many species have as many as five times the number of these cells as humans.
Humans have relatively exceptional eyesight for a mammal and birds of prey have a bunch of specialised features that categorically give them better eyesight than humans. So yes, one could confidently say birds of prey have good eyesight.
That is before even considering the context of what would be required to swoop and dive on moving prey at the speeds they do and from the distances they do.
Nips.
This guy gets it.
Yea, no fr she needs to put a hawking glove in her shopping cart either physically or online. XD
Worth it
Absolutely don't do this.
At least it would be a heck of a story to the inevitable "how did you lose your hand?" questions.
Genuine question, how the hell could a hawk rip off a human hand?
Maybe not rip it right off, that was hyperbole, but if the bird gets its claws into her hand, she is going to have a really bad time.
Ahh, let her have her fun! She looks really happy. Mind you, what do I know? I'll take my beak out of this conversation.
That's talon 'em!
Are you the hawk by any chance? lol. I think she probably knows what she is doing, no hate on my part.
Fair enough. Hyperbole is fun. I do agree though if those talons dig into the ligaments of the hand or arteries at the wrist that could be very bad. My knowledge of raptors is limited, seeing them from afar or one really fun day at a raptor sanctuary. A falconry gauntlet might be wise if this is something she wants to do “often.”
Raptors like these have sharp talons used to hunt, snatch and kill prey. Got it from their dinosaur ancestors.
Agreed. Some of them even apparently have an instinct which prevents them from opening their talons if they can feel a pulse (although I don’t know how much of that is myth). If it dug into your wrist you are in for a bad time… but you aren’t losing a hand.
Maybe not the whole hand in one fly-by but they could definitely tear some skin right off. Then, infections of hand wounds can be especially nasty and could later result in the necessity for amputation.
I would if I had a welders glove on or something
Even outside of immediate concerns, you're training that bird that it's ok to come take food that humans have in their hands. That's gonna eventually result in someone getting hurt or the bird dying (or both).
Damn bird eating better than I am.
seriously. was that medium rare steak? 🥩
Yup, looked like a nice cut
If you had a frickin pet hawk you’d pull out the good shit too.
Covenant of the Sky, homies
Damn right.
Birds of a feather
I see what you did there.
Sadly Pauline has dementia now.
Underrated
I don't get it, can you explain?
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Haha wow, that's great.
Not Dorien though
Does look kinda like Pauline Quirke
I came straight to the comments for this.
The steaks are too high for me
Well done.
I'm going mid rare
Nice
Louis Anderson lives
Whoa, I knew she looked familiar. Haha
Haha I was thinking more Shane Gillis just transitioned
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She looks like the late Louie Anderson.
Yep, I’m not sure the latter part of the acronym works for me, more so when she smiles
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Was this necessary to say?
Yes. Strong resemblance that was worth pointing out
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Fat girls need loving too.
Edit: For anyone wondering, the previous comment said, "ICBG?" and he's not wrong.
What is "icbg"?
"But they gotta pay!"
--- Quagmire
YOCBG?
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Wife: Honey, I'm stuffed. Do you want the rest of my steak? Its only a few bites.
Husband: Nah, I'm good. Just give it to the hawk.
With all due respect, ain’t nobody CBG on this one.
Better camera please
Yeah, that government drone/camera was an old model
r/birdsarentreal
"Mum, where's the hamster?"
I used to do this with seagulls while on a ship.
One flew by, grabbed the food, and took a massive shit on some poor guys head who was just standing nearby.
I had to leave in tears as it was one if the funniest things I've ever seen.
Without gloves. Damn.
STOP feeding wild animals, please
Is that a… Guinea Pig??
And how did we learn we could do this? Eating out of the window one day…like what and how? 😂
Is that a rare steak. Hell, I'd make a fly though for that
I would have loved to see that at regular speed.
Louie Anderson's new nature show looks legit.
She is right in trust on the abilities of the bird. They have good eye-to-talon coordination.
the amount of trust she has
That's super cute
At first I didn't see the stake and just thought the bird dabbed her up
Yoink!
I don't know why... But alright.
Well if its a trained one... I don't see why not.
Perhaps she's been feeding that bad boy since he was a bad kid (or.. whatever you call young birds)
Do you want to lose a finger? Because that's how you lose a finger
I totally thought she was going to eat it in the end
She looks hungry
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Man, even drive-thrus exist for birds. That's wild because birds aren't real
Fly by
Rare? She knew it was coming..
was hoping a petrosaurus came down and carry her away.
What is pink snoo ? Can i see it ?
Like… What “Life - The Game” DLC drop did I miss? I mean like… how does one even find out that this is a thing that one can do in life?
Was wondering what Amy Schumer’s been up to
Shane?
She looks like Ellie from Up
Was that poo?
Was that poo on the end of her arm?
I bet she gives hawk twoa steaks every day.
👍
Far Cry animal spawning type shit