For those of us who watched Age of Disclosure and went “ok, interesting but not exactly new,” I honestly think Jacques Vallée already dropped the real thing and it just… slid past most people ??? What in the f..
In that recent Weaponized appearance, he talks about a classified program that supposedly had structured, repeatable communication with a non‑human intelligence in a lab over 20 years ago. Not just vibes, not a one‑off seance, but some kind of protocol they could run again and again to talk to “the entities.”
And then he goes further and says these might be “the controllers” , as in, possibly the higher‑level intelligence behind the whole control system hypothesis he’s been hinting at for decades. He literally says they may be the higher‑order entity running the system, not just another little grey.
How is that not a bigger deal than half of what people are freaking out about right now?If Vallée is even halfway accurate about what he was told, that’s not just “UFOs are real” or “the government has craft.”
That’s:There was a government‑linked lab process to talk to the main character NHI
It was structured and repeatable, not just a random channeling session.The intelligence on the other side might be tied to our control system rather than being just one more species in the galactic zoo.
Like… what the fuck is going on? How is “we maybe talked to the controller of the control system” not the center of the whole discourse right now?
Main Question is who are these higher order entities & why aren't we discussing this ? I know Vallee runs around in circles in his interviews which frustrates me too but he dropped the whole chicken not just a nugget in his latest interview
I respect Vallee but he never just directly answers a question. It’s infuriating. Knapp asked him the same question multiple times and he just goes on 10 minutes tangents. I know he knows things, but good god it’s hard to listen to his interviews.
being vague is his whole thing. i tried so hard to understand his "aliens as a control structure" thing from his first books, but it was just page after page of to me incoherent musings leaving me with zero clue as to what exactly he meant.
If you make no specific claims, you can never be proven wrong. Lue tries to peddle specific stuff and he's getting burned left and right.
I wonder if the point he's trying to make with all his wandering answers is that there is no coherent narrative. It seems to me that he's trying to communicate that the reality of the situation is what we make of it.
When someone’s indirect, there’s always questions like that depending on where the truth falls, but since there’ll probably never be proof of whether it’s beneficial or from a place of selfishness and/or malice, it’s a tricky game of hints at best, or a deceptive/malevolent beating around the bush.
That was such a tough listen. Jeremy also asked him the same question multiple times, then he just rambled for 15 minutes and didn’t answer.
He’s an absolute master at saying a lot without saying anything at all.
I’m not a fan of Joe Rogan but I felt his irritation in just trying to get Vallee to answer the GD questions.
Hard same. I'm incapable of retaining attention whenever I try to listen to him. Wonder if one of his books would be better?
I like him but if you don't like his interviews you won't like his books.
Unlike the other poster, I do enjoy his books more than his interviews. It may have been a product of his younger, more focused mind, or perhaps he hadn’t run into situations causing him to be less direct in his approach, but the books of his I’ve read do have a “point” to them regardless of how fantastical those views can seem. I’ve tried maybe a dozen of his modern interviews, and I can’t say I’ve ever finished one. I believe there are ways to more directly answer questions even if you’re not able to say your full beliefs for one reason or another, and the apologists saying that others are too dumb to understand him or similar statements may be even more frustrating.
Personally, I've never found him to be as compelling as some people do for that very reason. And that Weaponized episode was torture.
Amen
This
He's old.. he seems like he is starting to ramble a bit now
Jeremy and George dont even seem like they are processing the answers.
I was busy being too annoyed with Jeremy asking 5 questions at once to notice.
Yeah, I will scroll past any interview he does because he just disrespects the listener’s time.
It's because of the complexity of the topic, not because Vallee doesn't want to give up some secrets. This topic is so crazy that there are multiple people coming up with multiple answers to questions. None of them are 100% correct about anything, and Vallee knows that. IMHO he doesn't want to stick with one narrative or one story for the whole truth of everything. He wants you to take what you can from him and form your own opinion. That's the only way we should operate. Aggregate the information and come to your own conclusion.
This. They are bullshit artists of the highest degree. They'll never outright say anything that can be proven or debunked because that means the money dries up.
I love that about him. There are absolutely no firm answers in this topic because it's so beyond our 5 senses. Or 6 if you will.
We just don't know the right questions so we will never know the answers.
We also don't really want the answers. The truth is we aren't intelligent, we are worthless to everything and everyone outside of ourselves (and we are too stupid to see that). The planet is more interesting than we are, they don't land and talk with us much anymore because we are simple creatures they already figured out and it's a waste of their time and resources. Hell more than half of humans have convinced themselves that the overwhelming evidence that we are being visited isn't actually evidence.
Well if you haven’t figured out by now .. he’s controlled op clearly.. or paid to least steer it one direction or another when asked the more serious questions.
Can't tell if he's just slippery or its more that he's a French intellectual and they all just speak in riddles. Special shoutout to every inpenetrable French philospher that made obtaining my degree that much harder
Because the specifics are vague, it’s impossible to verify, it’s secondhand knowledge and there are no (or limited) other witnesses currently available or willing to corroborate his statement.
Yes, huge if true, but we’ve been here so many times before. Without a significantly higher amount of “proof” it won’t break though. Look at the Holloman Air Force base landing story as one comparison: more corroborated and discussed, but no popular acceptance that we had a parley with NHIs dressed like Ramses II. That’s huge too.
All that said, Valle’s comments were new to me and incredibly interesting, so I agree with that part.
Why do you say dressed like Ramses II? I’ve not heard anything about this before
Because that’s how the story goes. It’s one of my favorite parts of UFO lore, I love absurdist humor and that’s about as absurd as it gets.
“The description of the beings from Holloman Air Force Base have a very similar depiction of the headdresses that were worn by the Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/JjlfmXRPqo
I feel like the only reply to this is "UFO Pancakes". That is my favorite abusurd case.
https://youtu.be/5L1p4uXcJKo?si=sh3kQAPl_Iu0CVYS
I love they tasted like cardboard because they were made from buckwheat.
Fairy food so no salt.
I find buckwheat has a distinct flavor and with the right kind of taste buds...it is not unlike cardboard. I really enjoy soba noodles, that all having been said.
Edit to add: I'm a fan of the buckwheat pancake too. Should have led with that.
Kelly-Hopkinsville is mine, though I sometimes seesaw between absurd and terrifying. Maybe it's both. Maybe it's terrifying because of it's absurdity.
That’s another one i believe really happened, as crazy as it was. A whole house full of people all told the same story, down to the smallest details. They weren’t the kind of people who would make up an absurd story about aliens/goblins. Those people knew what they saw; they watched the bullets they shot at it, bounce off of the beings. People treat them like they were a bunch of idiots who mistook owls for goblins which is ridiculous and insulting. Sorry for going off on a tangent.😬—It’s (obviously) one of my favorite cases too.
They blew through their entire ammo stock, that's what really gets to me. That's real money to these people, and not something you'd do for a laugh and a gag. That's tangible sustenance and sometimes required defensive power for them.
Me too :) AlienPancakes is my gamertag
I love that case too and i believe that it really happened. For one thing, that guy was not the kind of person who would just make up a crazy tale about aliens—especially one so absurd. And then there’s the intriguing fact that the pancake the being gave him, had absolutely NO salt in it. Which is impossible for anything of Earthly-origin. Everything contains some level of salt, no matter how minute. But not the UFO pancake.🛸🥞
One of NASA’s astronauts was there too and witnessed it. He was a test pilot at the time. The airforce must have known they were coming because the had a film crew there and they recorded the whole encounter. The test pilot looked at the film after the event to verify that they were successful in recording the interaction. He said the film was good and then was tasked with flying the film to Washington DC. He delivered the film and then never saw or heard anything about the event again. He was old and at the end of his life when he relayed this information in an interview. Seemed sincere and I have no idea why he would lie about this at his age.
Was it Gordon Cooper?
Yes. Maybe I got the bases wrong but the stories are very similar.
Yeah, the Holloman report had multiple witnesses who described it similarly. It’s one of those incidents that keeps coming back up, both from different people and at different times, but the central story remains the same.
When you get stories like this, where central points are consistent, the odds of something about it being true skyrocket. Plus we maybe have at least some video of the object descending, although of course you can’t tell what it is.
But the Egyptian part is bizarre so it’s just an odd one.
I think you're conflating two different things. Cooper's story of filming something was at Edwards AFB. Holloman was something different that Cooper was never involved with.
No, there is a specific video associated with the Holloman landing that is public. It’s supposedly part of a longer video that was promised to be released to two people, but it never came out (shocker). Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/5ZxkpzVGXtY?si=_C984_ylrN-HbMyY
I have no idea if it’s real or not, but the Holloman video and incident is separate (in UFO lore that I know of) from whatever happened in the Edwards AFB incident.
Yes, I know the whole story. It's been around a long time. The video was debunked (quite convincingly) as a jet landing.
Cooper had nothing to do with that video either way, nor was he involved in the Holloman story.
It is bizarre but there's something about Gordon Cooper that I just believe. I've watched many interviews with him and read allot about him/his career and I have a real hard time thinking that he would be a liar.
He is a a steely-eyed rocket man fo sho.
Maybe they were mirroring pharaohs
Not sure what's absurd about that
Ancient Egypt having a connection to NHI is one of the least surprising things I could imagine on this subject
Like the other guy said, there's stories about aliens making people pancakes...
People pancake.
Interdimensional House of Pancakes.
A pancake house at the end of the universe, if you will
Stargate...
Absurdist does not mean what you think it does
Absurdism is the philosophy of acknowledging how ridiculous it is that we are beings of purpose stuck searching for it in a universe that does not have any
It has nothing to do with the word absurd or things being "ridiculously random"
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Well that's just absurd
That's super interesting. In Whitley Strieber's book Communion he mentioned interacting with a powerful, female NHI entity aboard a craft that was dressed in an Egyptian or Sumerian style clothing
Stargate isn't fiction, bucko. Fictionalized for TV, yes.
My exact thought, lol. We met with Egyptian-dressed aliens?
No worries, that's just the Goa'uld.
‘Fiction’, I do not think that word means what you think it means..
The only difference between mythology and fact is time.
He didnt even mention what it said.
Because it not true
Land-of-smiles, my that's funny. What a smiler!
Agree. Wake me up when they get on national tv with world leaders.
A whole lot of maybes and if's
A lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what have yous
A) What do you call the main story?
B) I love Vallée, but what does making this the main story do? Speculation has its uses for sure. But political action is the fastest way forward thus should be the main story
C) I have seen people contemplate much stranger things. So while for some people this is mind blowing. For others is just Tuesday.
D) A question for folks, how much trust should we put into what NHI tell us? They act in such clandestine ways, yet when we ask them questions they give us back answers that let us build the most accurate picture possible? My gut feels like they would talk in riddles and half truths as another part of the thing to figure out/control system.
Of course gut feelings are under no obligation to be correct.
I always say the same thing. NHI could make up any bullshit and wed have no way to verify either way. Theyre a bunch of liars, tricksters, and dare i say...demons
My feeling, maybe cope, is that there are ultimately ways to verify things they will/are saying. But figuring out how is part of the multi dimensional problem we are dealing with.
Demon archetype is a bit too far for me currently (tho I do understand much better now how people could think that). But yea, the trickster archetype allegations seem like they will be very hard to drop.
That’s the most confusing thing is like, even if you were able to interact with these things, how could you just naively believe anything they say? Without knowing any reason for why they do what they do. It’s a really interesting thing to think about.
All the caveats, maybe it's not real, maybe they aren't connected, blah blah.
Something I think about is Jake barbers story as well other other experiencers and especially near death experiences.
They describe, what I call, emotional capture. Feeling of being overwhelmed by, usually, positive emotions. Feeling like you are being shown absolute truths. Feeling like something loves you very deeply.
Sure, I leave space it could all be 100% earnest and legit. Of course my background colors my perspective.
It just seems so sus to me. Why not give information in a way that makes it interoperable?
In a way it feel like the ultimate echo chamber. And we are currently experiencing how bad human actors can use echo chambers.
I acknowledge I could be erroneously combining unaffiliated phenomena. I simply have a difficult time understanding how completely separate phenomena could all act in the similar way of maintaining plausible deniability via obfuscation.
It reminds me of what Sharon Osbourne said like a week ago on Piers Morgan about Ozzy Osbourne dying. She said he started seeing all these people lined up and he was going by all these people he’s never seen before and no one was saying a word. And he knew he was ready. And some people say “it’s interesting what the mind does when it’s dying”. But I think it’s probably real. Felt more like a hint to me that there’s something deeper going on here than we realize and I don’t want to disregard that as just the brain dying.
Maybe I need to see the clip cuz I feel a bit confused. At least about the story.
But yes, I have similar feelings regarding the last few sentences.
A guy said an unsubstantiated thing on a podcast, again. People will take it more seriously when it's something more than that.
How is “talking to the higher level entity that is the controller of the system” any different than praying?
Presumably, because they actually got a response.
The topic and religion seem pretty interchangeable at this point idk
They really do. I wonder if it’s coincidence due to the nature of the discussion, or by design. Who knows. It just seems what Vallee is talking about is indistinguishable when you look at the linguistic logic of it. I dunno either.
The first thing that came to my mind when he said that was “how is that any different from the concept of doing a ritual to speak with ghosts or demons” lol. And then your brain goes to well maybe that’s where all these stories come from. The whole thing is just weird for me to think about.
I’ve been thinking for a while that things like CE5 and occult evocation practices show surprising similarities.
It's a good way to have people continue listening to your bullshit without ever giving them anything tangible. Just pretend it's an unfalsifiable mystery and you're the guy with the special info and there you go, you can sell books
My read on this is that Vallee is basically an occultist and won't come out and explicitly say he thinks aliens are interdimensional demons or angels or whatever because he can't keep vagueposting to the majority of the ufo community if he says what he actually thinks.
Yep. My take on him too.
Not that I feel thats good or bad, but yes he steers people away from the typical Sci Fi "aliens" from far away planets view.
I think he came to the conclusion that governments etc are misinforming/manipulating the public about these "ufo investigations" but doesnt want to be kicked to the curb for "blurting" that out.
He doesnt know the "exact answer" either but he learned enough to know its a deliberate manipulated lie/scam of some sort.
If they talk back to you, and tell you unexpected facts or ideas.
Is this a serious question? Why will someone cover it? He has got no proof, no firsthand info, no documents, no witnesses. There are important stuff happening around the globe too.
If you are still unconvinced, just ask the next 5 people you meet “Do you know Jacques Vallee? Do you know what he said about this NHI?” Their response will tell you why it’s not the main story.
I’m all for UFOs but this one is expected
This is the shit that kills me every time. Why isn't any basic scientific skepticism being applied to these claims by the broader UFO/UAP community?
It's how obvious scammers (e.g., Corey Goode) can just make up insane bullshit and grift themselves to the top.
Because, as people occasionally admit, that would spoil the fun.
Because, to put it bluntly, a lot of people in this world are ok being lied to (or at least not trying hard to determine the truth) if it allows them to hold certain beliefs and worldviews. Just like when it comes to politics and religion.
Reddit keeps dragging me into these communities, and every time I just want anyone to say “ok, fuckin prove it.”
People in this thread are like “well duh aliens visited ancient Egypt, and stargate is real!” Ok… fuckin prove it. Go ahead. Show me the proof. Not what some guy said to some other guy who said it on a podcast. Prove it.
If I said that to people they’d think I started speaking French when I said NHI. Lol
Did Vallee mention where we can see physical proof for his claims?
I don't think what Vallee is "hinting at for decades" is worthy of attention.
He has more than a dozen books and a zillion articles and interviews, and it's still entirely unclear what he's saying, and where we can see proof for it.
Vallee should finally stop radiating nonsense in all directions and make at least one clear, unambiguous, physically verifiable claim.
Wouldn’t it be nice if they would ALL do that?
And how, pray tell, would he be able to show you evidence of something that is going on in the blackest of black WUSAP so deep within the government, and with illegal funding, that only a few people would be read into it?
Are we talking about an NHI grey they held in a lab and communicated with (like some have claimed) or are we talking about creating some sort of portal and communicating with something through it?
I guess either way, what did it say?
No, not a grey. The greys are supposedly avatars controlled by something else. The insinuation/assumption is that it was maybe the intelligence controlling the greys?
Didn’t seem like there was a physical being. But who knows.
Are we going to be surprised when we find out that the controller is a supreme AI that might have been created by….us?
No, because they already made a famous movie trilogy about it!
Sounds sorta familiar with the book “Above Black”. Which I highly recommend to all who read.
It's like if I said we are all literally just thoughts inside a huge alien's brain and if we think about it too much or become too aware of it we slowly start fading away like a stoner's forgetful thoughts in his....wait what were we talking about again?
Can anyone explain what that means? "the controller of our control system"
He is just talking bs, with no proof, making vague statements and never answering any of the questions he is asked. Because of his name people give it attention but if someone else was saying such nonsense without backing it up they would be called out on it.
The Israeli general said we have a base on Mars. Others have said we've had a live ET in captivity. It's been said Eisenhower had a face to face. Zero proof on any of it is why nobody talks about it. You have to realize that older people have heard this stuff forever but nothing has ever come of it.
I find it hard to believe that even our military would make a captive of a being whose people could flat out euthanise the entire population of this world. I mean, it’s a dangerous game, mais non?
Maybe not captive in a prison way, more of you crashed here and your mates are toast let us take care of you and protect you here and we'll have some questions sort of thing.
I listened to the whole thing and was constantly pissed off because Jacques was CONTINUALLY avoiding answering their questions going on and on and on rambling about his BASS project. I swear to god he is the king of not directly answering questions.
I do agree with this. He runs in circles and after years of research he refuses to come to any conclusions let alone that he refuses to answer anything straight up
He indirectly explains this style during the interview by informing listeners that much of his information is gained by the "trust" that others have in him. This sort of "trust" requires him to be very careful with transferring information, as he will lose trust (and the ability to know inside information) by disclosing certain information. So, yes, he talks around answers in hopes that folks will gain some information by protecting information that can't be revealed. This style of speach is common in various forms of privileged communication throughout western cultures.
He certainly knows a lot more than me, but assuming it's true and these NHI have been actually interfering with humanity and directly engaging them, and they still let this world get to the boring, blind and selfish place it is right now, that's not an NHI I care about to be honest.
I even quite like the idea of NHI that don't intervene, letting species grow naturally and watch them either cull themselves or flourish, but this would be a monumental failure for a spacefaring/dimension crossing species.
It would be nice if one of these dudes provided evidence of their wild claims, but I guess ANOTHER "cool story" will have to suffice.
Because it's just another claim without evidence.
Do you know how many crazy stories have been told by people over the decades?
Where's the proof?
We're still waiting.
The bigger the claim without supporting proof, the less attention they will get because they just sound like fictional stories.
Because he could have said literally anything.
It is not that hard to say stuff, or make stuff up.
I am not saying he is a liar or anything, but without concrete proof, it is a fairy tale like any other for us.
He’s such a difficult listen. He just drones on and on.
It's interesting, just not new.
this is the case for all the important stuff.
In my opinion you're asking the right questions. I would implore you not to be disuaded from going deeper simply because others are not as interested.
You don't have to fall for the 'topic of the month' tactic that is clearly being employed, if you don't want. Its really hard to stop looking for new headlines every week (its how we have been conditioned), and start digging yourself.
If anything I trust any 'new' information the least when trying to paint myself a picture.
Nobody cares because it's just a thing some guy said.
Just randomly chose you, cuz I like the number 1111. How many trolls do you think commented on this post?
Trolls? None. I see a lot of people either expressing understandable scepticism or agreeing with OP
The real question is why is this even a big deal to YOU without any kind of proof or witness whatsoever?
Just more stories
One reason is likely that the man is almost impossible to listen to in an interview. I love his work, have several of his books... so all due respect blah blah blah but the man would tell you his life story if you asked what he wanted on his sandwich. I really don't think I've ever heard someone so blatantly ignore questions in an interview, and not only change the subject but do so for a full 15 minutes of uninterrupted rambling. I found that interview so difficult to listen to, and I am borderline obsessed with this topic. I also barely caught this and if Jeremy hadn't loudly paraphrased it twice I likely wouldn't have even known he said it.
Aren't they all the same. Refusing to answer anything directly. I get what you are saying and I'm not bashing him either but yeah they just refuse to take a strong position
He said someone said. As far as I gather, he is not a direct witness to any of this, just an investigator. It's not like one of the creators of the Internet actually spoke with an entity, or anything like that, to make it newsworthy.
My viewpoint on Valle is pretty negative. Almost everything he says winds up being unverifiable and not-even-wrong from a hypothesis testing point of view. I see him as being very slippery and using his "VC" background to boost credibility telling UFO stories, but after reading more about it, I don't believe he did any significant amount of venture capital work. I suspect the majority of his income has been from selling UFO books for a long time.
Because it cannot be verified, duh.
Hard to engage with chat gpt. Have faith in your own writing and attempt to convey the message to me. The way GPT sensationalizes things rubs me wrong it’s hard to even take in your post.
How are you so excited about something without any proof?
"A friend of a friend told me" is a very low bar.
As is should be.
Because he’s making an unsubstantiated claim?
Most likely it’s because his interviews are beyond boring, people tune out, and the main points are lost.
It's not the main story because he provides zero evidence to back it up.
Because people are tired of hearing these stories. He’s been saying stuff like this for decades. Give us the proof!
Have you ever given thought to the fact that maybe whatever this super NHI intelligence is has deliberately crafted a narrative that is almost impossible for anyone to figure out?
Because like so much discussed here, it's unsubstantiated assertion aka "just a guy talking."
I like the guy. I've met the guy and talked to him. I read all his classics.
He's still just some guy making claims which absent anything but his account are indistinguishable from fiction or 4chan larping.
I have no reason to believe he's not acting in good faith; but I have no reason either to think this is true in any meaningful and literal way; and given the import am inclined to assume it is not.
Vallée has probably met thousands of people connected to this topic, for over 50 years. These include many people who have ulterior motives. He has moved in circles with people who are deeply imbedded in the intelligence community. I have confidence that with all these contacts he can usually figure out who’s lying and who isn’t.
I would like to think so; but it really feels unhelpful to be lending his reputation to such dramatic claims, without more than an implicit "trust me and my judgement"...
Trust but verify
It’s not the main story because it cannot be corroborated. I’m at a point where I’m tired of hearing about what this person said about what they heard and what they saw or what they know that they can’t talk about.
It’s getting harder to decipher the wheat from the chaff
A UFO researcher making an outlandish claim. Not particularly main story news.
On one hand we have Vallee's statement that we communicated but it was a very complex process and on the other hand there are hundreds of sightings where alien beings communicated with individuals in their native language (telepathically or not). How many NHI beings are there? Are we able to communicate with some but not with others? Are those harder to communicate with more "powerful" than the regular ones who "just" fly across the universe and stop by on Earth to view the human zoo? We have nothing legit to even begin painting some sort of realistic picture of what is going on.
There is no way to know for sure, obviously, but my guess is that the government was communicating with a super advanced AI
Because most people don’t believe people with no evidence.
When I heard this clip I immediately thought of Jesse Micheal’s interview with Dan Sherman. Dan’s story and overall demeanor is very compelling. He talks about “Project Preserve Destiny, A Cold War-era program designed to create Intuitive Communicators capable of relaying messages from non-human intelligences.”
Probably because Valle has been talking about this subject forever and now all of a sudden he’s mentioning this. The subject is overloaded with bad actors and ppl trying to make money. It’s getting hard to tell who’s genuine. There’s also just soo much info out there at this point that ppl aren’t shocked by anything anymore.
Jacques gets into this in his book, The Invisible College. He's not convinced that the knowledge isn't coming from our own consciousness or that of the proctor, or collective consciousness, of those involved. Dolores Cannon was doing the same thing with the regression hypnosis sessions, sometimes speaking to aliens.
I read Custodians by Dolores what I gathered from the intelligence she was mostly conversing with is that they're masters at bullshit. There's a segment where the intelligence claimed she'd be around to witness the anti christ and Jesus .
Control system ? What / who does it control ? Alien fleets, or are we crossing into woo here?
its like in "his dark materials " when the former nun turned science lady turns on her machine to talk to dark matter and its like," yo lady, we are like, angels. we actually have a mission for you its good you called"
That is not a new claim
Probably slipped by because his audio on that podcast was terrible combined with his accent it was hard to understand everything he said
This would be in line with Dan Sherman's story which took place over 20 years ago. He did an interview with Jesse Michels but he also wrote the book Above Black about his experience. You can find the whole PDF online which is only about 70+ pages. You may be able to read that faster than watching all of Jesse's video. Wild but interesting story.
How is this any different than Dan Sherman’s story?
Many people have, I've talked to non human entities, it's nothing new
Looks like the 'controller' has given permission to introduce evidence that humans are communicating with nhi. This IS very important!
If its one of the nine, it's not new news...its very old news. The fact that the US is communicating with one of them that's new of course. I would expect this is important in understanding what prior agreements have been made with NHI and to understand why suddenly people are seeing NHI more often. It sounds like (in other words my best guess) another NHI is about to make contact more formally and they are very nuts and bolts and physical. The nine have been mimicking these nuts and bolts type NHI to try and alert humanity to their presence so we are not so dumbfounded and caught off guard when they show up. That's from me though so take it with a grain of salt .
Between lakasky and Valee it sounds like next year Congress or other media sources will start cluing us into what has been communicated and how that communication takes place. Calling them a control group is a bit absurd to me, I think babysitters is more appropriate. You don't want every human alive to have the kinds of gifts we are hearing are possible, that would just get very messy. Besides if anything we've been told so far is true you can only bend some rules, if you get a green light to break a rule then there will be a cost.
Now is any of this true? Who knows. I like area51s take on this subject. Put it on the shelf for now and maybe come back to it when it is relevant. We don't need to take all of this information out on a fancy date with an expensive dinner just yet...no altering our weekend plans or quiting our jobs...just a casual convo so don't freak out. Now if cats and dogs start to fall from the sky maybe freak out a little, until then...shelf it goes.
Project Preserve Destiny
I believe this is the Dan Sherman story. I mean overall its a compelling story but theres nothing "concrete" about it. Just like every other story.
You mean this guy? Pretty solid episode
American Alchemy - Sgt Dan Sherman - NSA hired him to speak to Aliens
I Vallee and I appreciate weaponized but he speaks so slowly (I know he's older) but he puts me to sleep. I've tried watching/listening to that episode 4 times. Still haven't gotten through it. Better than melatonin I tell ya!
Vallee is very vague. Another case in point. When Diana Pasulka visited him in San Francisco he gifted her a book about Satan as a parting gift. He was trying to hint at something without directly saying it, or so Pasulka thought. Was he saying there is s indeed something demonic about the phenomenon? If so, he’s not telling.
Listen, if they did,it did us no good whatsoever. A wasted chance to advance civilization.
Isn’t this the plot of mission impossible - the final reckoning?
Lo que cuenta es muy interesante. Los espiritistas hacían lo mismo, pero con la ouija y hay muchos experimentos parapsicológicos de contacto con entidades. ¿Qué diferencia a unos de otros? Aparentemente, nada.
What would be left to sell the sequel?
The national news headline should read “Project Bluebook advisor admits US government was in contact with non-human intelligence.”
And we hear nothing about it.
Cool if true, but who knows? The beings could easily have been lying to whoever contacted them. Or maybe they were Russian spies sitting in a bunker somewhere laughing their asses off about the gullible Americans.
We should all have the utmost respect for Vallee, but for the love of God reign that mf in during an interview.
With that, he was very vague and all I basically remember him saying "was a very complex process."
We discussed this 2 days ago, here's the post. User did a good brakedown of Valle's claims, but I agree it needs wider discussion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/dAKccI7IJa
ABOVE BLACK - Project Preserve Destiny - An Insider's Account of Alien Contact and Government Coverup
If you haven't... read it. Discusses a very sophisticated communications system centered around training psychic sensitives in sub-symbolic communication methods. Methods very similar to the clock stopping experiments discussed by Itzak Bentov in Stalking the Wild Pendulum.
It's doable folks. Try it out. ;-)
He was on Jesse Michel's show a few months ago.
Could these be related to the Robert Bigelow experiments at Skinwalker Ranch? He mentioned that they would set up 'games'—for example, putting a ball and jacks in a room, leaving, and returning to find them moved or rearranged. I believe he discussed this in his interview with George Knapp.
The details about these "games" and the movement of objects are discussed in the Mystery Wire interview series conducted by George Knapp. Specifically, Bigelow explains that the intelligence on the ranch would not only move the objects but sometimes "reconstitute" the game in a way that provided more information than the original setup.
https://youtu.be/lIrYJNevdVo?si=clv4sfF_vfEno531
Timestamp for Context: Bigelow begins discussing these "participating games" and the verification of controls around [00:07:48].
He also elaborates on these experiments and the broader history of his involvement with the ranch in the multi-part February 2021 interview:
https://youtu.be/Gn3o7uC8yq4?si=TrMz51nnTrAVcyJJ
(Discussing AAWSAP and further weird events): https://youtu.be/9Sv66dG6Ldc?si=oopIBB6d2puFIeuX
I feel like they're telling the Project Serpo story. So much of what they are saying sounds similar to the book. I understand what it is and that it's linked to Richard Doty and I KNOW how it is with that guy. But as I was watching the documentary it was kind of weirding me out because I was reading the book at the same time.
Cause rent due
Is he not talking about Project Preserve Destiny? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfmy5oW_r9c
I think the alien was asking for maple syrup.
Why didn't he expand on this story?
That's the fault of Corbell and Knapp. They never dig deeper. They did the same with Matthew Brown and Borlan
What control system? Control of what?
Maybe he is referring to the Dan Sherman story. Watch on American Alchemy.
We may find our or may never find out interesting that it could be true though then the question is, who or what is it? Giant unified conciseness of all humanity, secret ancient sect controlling the simulation, a tech machine god, who knows ‘ could be anything
Vallee is not a good public speaker and dithers and meanders a lot. His writing is better, but the diaries from what I gather are also intended to be somewhat esoteric in that a lot of reading between the lines is required. I'm somewhat allergic to this sort of posing and just find it irritating. Maybe I'm being unfair though.
I haven't read him, but I did listen to the interview and tried to think this through...
What I think he’s saying is this: There’s a control layer built into the universe. Not necessarily God, not a simulation, but (maybe) a kind of embedded system that detects, monitors, and adjusts things whenever life appears. Like how code runs in the background of a game engine, or how an immune system patrols the body. It’s not omnipotent or omniscient, but it acts, and it seems to have rules. When life arises; particularly life capable of evolving, mutating, or spreading - this layer kicks in to set boundaries, maintain balance, or guide development. Maybe we don't know (yet) what it does - but we're to the point that we know it does 'something.'
There seems to be a clear difference between places with life and those without. Earth has evolved from fire and rock into forests, cities, thought, and language. It’s moved steadily toward complexity. The Moon, on the other hand, is static. It doesn’t evolve. It doesn’t grow. It’s the same dead rock it’s always been. That contrast might mean the control layer is only activated where life exists. It tends to life like a garden, or perhaps a lab, stepping in only when there’s something dynamic and changing to interact with. Similar to what that 4Chan dude talked about with the grays tending intelligence.
The most interesting part is: it hasn’t wiped us out. If we were just a cosmic virus, there’s been more than enough time: billions of years, to stamp us out. But instead, Earth formed, cooled, developed oceans, bacteria, forests, animals, then us. And we evolved into something dangerously creative: nuclear weapons, genetic editing, AI. If this control layer were purely hostile or corrective, it might well have stepped in long ago. (tho it's always possible it works on a much longer time scale) It hasn’t. That suggests we’re either tolerated, irrelevant, or… maybe even necessary.
Even stranger, he implies this control layer responds. Not like a human, but like a system that acknowledges its own awareness. If you’re able to send out a signal, even metaphorically - and get a consistent, patterned, structured response, that’s no longer random. That’s contact. You don’t respond to a rock. You don’t respond to bacteria. You only respond when something is recognized. So maybe we’re not outside the system. Maybe we’re part of it; a function that hasn’t fully activated yet. But the fact that it responds at all means we’ve been noticed, not erased.
I don't think he means that the control layer is insectoids wearing superman capes and vaping from the bridge of a starship shaped like a space-cricket.
I have been putting youtube videos out on how to perform scalar wave resonance entrainment for 3 years now?
It's the main story because I can post the video on the UFO sub for 3 years straight and no one is intelligent enough to comprehend it. Humans aren't evolved, some do by genetic disorders and some work their way into it like Tesla and myself but the fact is no one cares to leave their own bubble until some Media conglomorate force-feeds it down your throat with some high intensity emotionally manipulative music, shortreels, and a 6 month wait.
Age of disclosure, European UAP commitee, - George boch, Skywatchers..
Seriously I laid out in great detail every single mathematical reason on why geometric collapse produces scalar waves and thought waves travel inverse to them and you can program a collapse by exploiting the 720:1 spin of quarks.. I was trying to get science about it..
His response was "Communication eh? What species of aliens"...
The next month he goes to the UAP summit and sits in front of everyone and goes "We just aren't ready for this conversation yet"..
It's because when you break it down, the world is full of smug narcissism assholes who don't care about learning, they care about sitting on the highest chair in the room having everyone look at them. There's A legitimate
-not allowed to say it but rhymes with giant rock in space with massive kinetic energy and velocity that collides with a planetary system-
Threat alert signal being transmitted on the universal scalar field but I haven't found anyone that hasn't laughed in my face about what like iunno.. 30 minutes of curiosity and a beer can figure out for most people but hey.
When you modify scalar waves in the microtubules you modify the experiential binding layer for the soul/minds eye/electrical binding tertiary force. On earth we exist in the schuuman veil in a massive soup of electromagnetic wave functions, so unless you have a giant pyramid of metal with a resonance chamber in it, or are specifically isolating a field inside earths atmosphere with a synchronized scalar pump pulse... The human brain is hallucinating and these people are talking to 'astral light' which is infinite thought form emerged as their trauma mixed with a whole buncha shit they read online and some other random shit.
It seems like people love listening to that, but not science that says something terrifying like Goetian and Enochian are actually physical geometric bridge structured languages and you can actually use them... That's the 'uap' stuff but.. No, screw physics.. screw math, screw science, screw god, screw learning, big aliens on a fucking space canoe are going to come rescue me from my high fructose corn syrup depression.
IT's a clown show, and you are in the circus.
The big problem I have is there is no to very little cooperation or collaboration across channels, mediums and remote viewers. There's way too much ego and money involved. Nobody wants to ever recommend other people or confirm information. It's fucking lame and stupid. I have been watching various channels and cross referencing and trying to detect basic agreements on what is happening with disclosure. A few points:
It's likely NHI will not allow a global nuclear war that ruins the biosphere and kills billions of people.
Related to #1 - NHI are monitoring human nuclear technology.
There is a Galactic Federation or Consortium or whatever you want to call it. Basically there is a group of advanced civilizations that are technologically and spiritually more advanced than humans.
Humans were likely genetically engineered.
There are NHI that are not friendly. Are they dangerous as in War of the Worlds? Likely not. There are reports that some need genetic materials for their species to survive.
Humanity is on the brink of huge changes if/when open contact with NHI is established. We are talking Star Trek realities.
For the many posters (not just in this thread) who act like understanding five sentences spoken by Jaques Vallee is as hard as decoding three consecutive paragraphs written by Michel Foucault (which actually is impossible) a summary:
He was told about (and admits that he therefore cannot verify the authenticity of) a report concerning a program that involved using some elaborate methodology to have "very sohpisticated" conversations with some entity.
He speculates that, if true, these conversations did not involve the kind of aliens that were seen in New Mexico and/or Brazil, but (per his general theory of the phenomenon) involved whatever entity controlls them.
To paraphrase further: he says that if that's true, it would be so fucking wierd that it will never be disclosed becasue, you know, how do you announce that you've spoken to the NHI upper management...and not via SETI.
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And yet not too long ago Jacques scoffed at anyone claiming that the US had recovered NHI tech or recovery programs.
Op tx I will listen. Have u read Dan Sherman's book Above Top Secret?
The whole idea of communicating with aliens is not new. "Professor" Simon was reporting a few months ago of two way real time communication using something that sounded like the Philotic Parallax Instantaneous Communicator of Enders's game.
What do you do with that information without specifics I am not sure.
The control system is most likely a very advanced AI. How do you know you're not talking to another AI when you establish a communication?
We should consider that the creators of this intelligence might well be extinct by now. This could be a program that has been started like many millions of years ago...
You can talk to aliens through the channel Daryl Anka/Bashar. Works much better than using a computer.
I agree!!! Feels like people never focus or press back on the most crucial aspects.
Because he can't prove it.
Share the link will watch now
Because there's no proof of anything. It's just more he said she said stuff.
Most channeling methods are structured and repeatable by the individual or individuals practicing them.
LL research and The Munroe Institute both use repeatable protocols for their conscious and trance channeling and the material from each aligns quite well with the other in many cases.
If the government is still doing such things (likely IMO) then it is almost certainly using protocols developed originally by TMI and probably mastered by now.
Plenty of stories about shadowy elites trying to summon entities with magic.
Well laying under a white cloth with a sacred text at the head burning incense oriented to the north next to a chalice of virgin water in a room with no airflow to receive a narrow band celestial frequency sounds a lot like a magical ritual to me.
I'm kinda hoping it's not that. Most people don't sit well with this kind of stuff including me because it's open to interpretation by the person receiving the "message" if there even is a message. He called it structured and complex which could be exactly what you described or it could involve receiving a quantum entangled photon from some other star system 20 years ago which was captured as a stream and turned into two way communication. In the EU side you have similar reports of some contact being made with their SETTI group, forget what it's called. IMO people will be more receptive to technological communication than spiritual communication if either are true.
Yes I agree.
To that end Munroe does describe it as a somewhat technological process in his experiences out of body at times so if either, it may be both.
Extraordinary claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.