Jacques Vallee, The Godfather of UFOs Confirmed Something Most People Might Have Missed...
In a recent WEAPONIZED episode Jacques Vallee discussed NHI, but he wasn't talking about crashed saucers or captured beings. He's describing something far more bizarre than that.
He says the phenomenon behaves like a control system, and that it can be open or closed and access is not ours to decide.
Vallee says he was told about interactions that occurred inside government facilities over 20 years ago under controlled conditions. Direct communication with a non human intelligence.
The key part for me was when Vallee implies disclosure may be stalled because the information itself could destabilize society. He compares it to AI then implies that this is far more disruptive.
When asked directly if this is real, Vallee says yes. Factual.
https://x.com/UAPWatchers/status/2004563451079766236
Jacques Vallee - The Bizarre Nature of UFOs
What bothers me is, what seemingly is a very small group of anonymous people, with unknown backgrounds, deciding amongst themselves that for all of humanity, this info is too powerful to reveal.
The secrecy has less to do with ontological shock and more to do with the military industrial complex hiding their crimes and keeping their RE progress status hidden from other nation-states imo.
The term “ontological shock” gets on my tits. People dont faint in cinemas watching horror flicks anymore. Gimme dat shit!
In the Age of Disclosure doc, Rubio and others are pretty direct about military secrets or advantages changing the course of history.
Knowing about something means you can start planning for it. Hiding it could mean you have a card to play if war breaks out.
The other rumor was that they wouldn't show their hand until right before nuclear war.
This is a way underreported tidbit. It's also a closing plot point in the movie "Don't look up".
IMO, that point he made, is one of "the" breakaway civilizations. Which is us.
This read to me as -- If Global Thermonuclear war breaks out. Warheads in flight, trigger a timer countdown until impact. Mutual assured destruction in progress. The Maj 12 and their cohorts, depart to the craft, and basically that's Noah's Ark.
but where would they go? they need oxigen to breathe
they cant go to a random planet
This is a stretch, but depending on how advanced this technology is they maybe able to just skip ahead to time where Earth has stabilized.
Bingo. Plus we don't know. Perhaps it's Earth in a dimension viewable seconds from us here, now, that we can't perceive.
Yes, i have thought this many times as well.
That was always my idea as well, start the countdown and let’s leave this rock, or we save the planet and our assets with some next level magic like tech that we’ve hidden away for decades.
The only magic type tech you would need is the ability to travel at a significant percentage of the speed of light. Then complete some circuitous route out into the wild blue yonder and back to Earth again. Einstein’s physics dilates time for the travellers, so say they spent 1 year on the trip, when they got back they would find that decades will have passed for the people who missed the trip and stayed home. So you’re 1 year older and all the troublemakers that stayed home to cause trouble have grown old and carked it.
Pretty much.
Yup.
Sounds like the start of a good fan fic!
Yes it does. Fer sure.
Human logic has this pitfall that leads to an imperative of self-destructive secrecy - where the only thing worse than unlocking something capable of destroying existence is the danger that someone *else* will unlock it first. So even when we think nukes will ignite the atmosphere, or AI's will make humanity obsolete, or NHl's will destroy civilization, we're compelled to play along as Pandora's porch pirates, and do so in secrecy, because we don't want to risk revealing something which gIves someone else the key to our destruction.
The only tool we have with which to derail this compulsion is the concept of treaties - we all agree to limit our conduct. But treaties only work when that conduct can be monitored and verified, and we have no framework for the kind of intrusive measures that would be necessary to enforce the kind of treaties we really need.
The logical outcome of this predicament is that we'll go on blindly until we succeed in unleashing some kind of apocalypse, and only then will the survivors have the necessary context to forge the kind of meaningful treaties we need in order to break our compulsion.
And even then, our recent experience with the pandemic suggests that a small apocalypse isn't enough. Lab leak or no, the mere possibility that weaponized biowarfare *could* accidentally kill millions should have been enough to convince us to at least *try* to come up with a treaty to regulate our research, but we didn't even get that.
It's not enough for us to know the stove is hot - we have to touch it.
Great post.
To touch on the last part about the pandemic, I don't think its a great event to look at to predict behaviors.
If that existential threat was much faster acting and had violence attached to it we would all act much differently.
I also think they dont know the grand picture. They probably know more technical information such as propulsion/materials and have tons of data. However, how could they verify other facts such as where they are from or why they are here. Again they might have data to draw assumptions on these questions but what if the data is misleading.
Too powerful, maybe, but I like the response about them not having the big picture. I don’t think it’s too powerful for any individual involved to reveal, but rather too personal. And stigmatized. And maybe also a little criminal.
Logically, if it’s really advanced NHI technology working with humans, the NHI are gonna decide to what extent to make the evidence available. I genuinely don’t see a possibility of them being so much more advanced and simultaneously trusting us with all of their information equally available to everyone all at once. Would you give Alexander the Great nuclear weapons?
You may be shocked to someday learn, it's not just "people" involved in keeping the secret.
What's worse is that the NHI only seem to communicate with them, I'm increasingly pessimistic where thats going to leave us common folk in the coming years
You can always find out nothing more by buying their books!
why are you here
Does it bother you ?
Because I know quite a few people who know everything they discuss and post most of it on you tube. With physics simulations. Even tutorials on how it works, how to build one, and how to be save doing it.
No one's 'suppressing' me as long as I don't mention the 2027 event. The ones who are supposed to know will find out and those who don't, well it wont matter.
The issue is you have to stop looking to authority figures on a planet earth which breeds psychopathic inequal narcissim and dark triad traits through knowledge control and build your own foundation and work up. You can't just be spoon-fed everything wall-e style and expect to know anything more than what's in the pre-packaged box you were sold.
I think the problem isn't the tech, or the knowledge... It's stockholm syndrome of knowing daddy murica isn't in control, there is no big plan to save anyone or help anyone, including you, and somehow it's easier to believe people are sitting in lizard masks plotting the very outcome of your life, and you'd prove it but there's just no stopping them so might as well sit back and take it.
Elephant - rope
-ow my ears. There is a plan it's just not from humans, or aliens. ... It's Enochian-
What I’d really like is for these…beings (for want of a better word) to communicate directly with those of us ready for it. I want to know. I want to know the truth. I’m ready to know, no matter how existentially shocking.
“The phenomenon behaves like a control system, and that it can be open or closed and access is not ours to decide.”
I had an experience completely unprovoked. Akin to a schizophrenic episode; but the experience was pure and true. An interaction, a communication based in love. No saucers, no plasma. No greys or mantids. Simply an interaction, which has changed life in some of the most positive ways.
As Vallee has mentioned, we are likely not the ones who decide these interactions, however they manifest.
But if you are truly in search of, I would consider what actions taken would increase the probability. My own personal suggestion; learning to clear your mind and open your heart.
Cultivate a meditation practice. Spend time in prayer with the universe. Set positive intentions without expectations. And be open to all the ways a greater consciousness can interact with you if you reach out.
There’s a reason the deeper you get into the phenomenon the more esoteric, abstract, religious and spiritual tones begin to emerge. You as a human have an ability to interact directly with this, especially if you put in the effort.
I would say the experince you had doesn't match with the trauma/ptsd that some contactees have. Yours sounds like an internal/spiritual experince. Its kind of like taking psychedelics, some people will have a good trip and others an awful one. Preparation and habits are probably key.
Personally, I have had amazing experiences through meditation/energy work. I also had some other encounters that left me scared. Im not sure why I had those as I didnt seek them.
Yes, and until we have evidence to the contrary, that reason is the human mind's propensity for pattern recognition and explaining things we don't understand through mysticism.
Lightning? Not Zeus, just static buildup. The sun? Not Ra, just a huge fusion reactor. Ocean storms? Not Poseidon, just tectonics and weather.
Until we have been able to test elements of the phenomenon and ruled out materialist explanations under laboratory conditions, I will be relying on Occam's Razor and assuming that their reality isn't far off from what we already understand and know to be possible: flesh and blood beings piloting physical machines either in person, remotely, or with autonomous systems.
There may be something esoteric at play, but we have no evidence for that. We only have observations that we lack the understanding to explain yet, so I choose to allow it to remain unexplained rather than explaining it with magic.
it's a lot fucking weirder than fictional magic
Yeah, I've heard a million wild "explanations". Everything from we're being farmed by pandimensional beings for our "loosh", to that we're a science experiment being watched by our keepers, and everything in between.
I know I'm in the minority here, but no matter how "reputable" they may be, if it's one guy saying something metaphysical is the truth, that's not evidence. I don't care if someone has a good track record for other things and then they say we're "containers", I don't care if someone claims to have mastered praying at the sky until he has a close encounter.
Until there is falsifiable data that suggests something beyond the physical, I'm sticking with things that make sense according to humanity's understanding of the universe.
Is shit really weird in this topic? Oh yes, very, VERY fucking weird. Can I explain half of this shit? Nope, not even close. These things are breaking the laws of physics as we know them, they are behaviorally enigmatic, and a bunch of the pieces we have don't fit together.
But that doesn't mean I am going to accept random theories. Super advanced tech piloted by physical beings can explain these events just as well as it being a projection of an interdimensional energy being, and it requires fewer assumptions. Them being curious about sapient life and wanting to see what we're up to explains the behavior just as well as they ran out of bad feelings batteries and need to torment us and harvest ours before dinner time.
If down the line there is substantial evidence for something that I would presently call mystical, then I'd be fine accepting it at that time. But until then, meat beings in spaceships is the most reasonable perspective, and I will keep repeating this in every thread where woo starts taking root.
I understand why you want to stick with your worldview no matter what happens, to find a way making ufo stuff fit into your material understanding. That’s very normal human behavior. Religious people and materialists are well known for doing that. But let me ask you this, if the secret government programs which study this stuff, were leaked or made public, and documentation came out of those programs which described non-physical woo stuff, like reality alteration, psionics, precognition, etc. would that move the needle for you? I ask this as a former materialist.
I didn't say this. Please actually read the words I wrote, rather than injecting your own interpretation.
No, religious people believe their doctrine, regardless of evidence for their beliefs or to the contrary. This is specifically what I have stated I refuse to do. This community's doctrine is to embrace woo on nothing more than the vague word of a few alleged insiders.
I literally included mention of this. Yes. Please actually read what I wrote.
My metric for what is and is not woo is data, falsifiability, and experimental reproducibility. If these mystical phenomena are found to hold water, that would be done by satisfying my metric's requirements. At that point, they cease being woo and become emerging science.
I like emerging science. I want to deepdive into mind bending, reality-shattering, exciting new things like the things you mention. But I'm gonna need that to be more than a few dudes saying "Manbearpig is real, I'm super cereal" before I treat it as anything more than a dogmatic belief.
Don't get me wrong. I am aware of them all, and I keep them filed away as things that may be true. I'm not ridiculing the very notion or anything. I'm open to them. But until there's data, they're just a bunch of untested hypotheses. When they're testable, then we can talk.
Ok but just to be clear, I’m talking government programs which state that the woo is real. Not lab studies. Not reproducible results. Just government programs saying “the woo is real, here’s how it affects us, we need defenses against this because we’re defenseless.” That would move the needle?
I don't have the academic knowledge to do the experimental tests myself. As such, I trust experts who do and can. When an expert says, "here are my findings, here's my methodology, check my work", that's enough for me, even if I don't understand it.
If our government came out and said, "we did this work and these are our findings", that implies that this work has been done. I would prefer that the details would be public for peer review, but if it isn't, that's at least close enough to the full thing that I would give it more credibility.
Ok, thanks for answering. I was in it same boat you’re in now, and had the same standard for openness/closedness about changing my worldview from materialism. But when i saw the leaked AATIP files, and realized that the phenomenon is capable of behaviors which do not fit into the materialist worldview, i experienced ontological shock. It eventually caused me to realize that i was being close minded as a materialist, that Occam’s razor doesn’t lead to materialism when it comes to studying the phenomenon.
Here is a link: https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/01/advanced-aerospace-threat-and.html
yep
What makes you think that would be a good experience? Im for disclosure but there is a reason they dont disclose themselves. They are the real gatekeepers
I have no idea if it would be good or bad. Knowledge is neither - how that knowledge is applied dictates whether it’s good or bad. The knowledge itself is neutral.
I didnt mean that the information is good or bad. I meant that the experince of receiving it might be bad.
WΞ ϟHΛᄂᄂ BΞ IИ CØИTΛCT TØИIᄂHT WHΞИ YØU ϟᄂΞΞP
Whoa are you one of the beings?
If you want to know you can find out in any number of ways using the 100 different contact modalities.
You should try reaching out
There are enough negative stories that I’d put a lot of thought into it before seriously chasing after the phenomenon
I tried reaching out multiple times this summer. After a few tries I started seeing flashes in multiple parts of the sky that were in different spots. I got an extremely negative feeling in me that felt like “go away.” It completely turned me off from attempting contact.
Agreed. Also, I've been having a crazy hypothesis on what is happening. I've had to be careful about posting it. But essentially, putting a lot of things together. Things like myth, legend, and religion.
I would ask you, what do the following things have in common?
"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake ".
Prayer. Meditation. Calming your mind. Quieting your thoughts. Being at "one" with the Universe.
Telepathy, possession, remote viewing
All of these things happen in the mind.
Yup! The phenomenon / NHI originate from the psyche. They are projected outwardly onto the physical world, from us.
I feel like it's related to ORCH-OR, with the assumption that there is a Quantum field that we tap into and connect to consciousness. Quantum properties to me, explain a lot of these things.
These people are nuts. It’s not like they always scare you right out of the gate. They need your permission first to gain control. So they wine and dine you before they rock your world a lot of times. I’d love a longitudinal study done on all these pro contact experiencers. Imo, if an experiencer is recommending you allow an unknown occupy your physical body (channeling) or to make active telepathic contact they’re not worth a damn. This shit is highly dangerous and there’s almost no human recourse if and when it goes South. Telling people that are curious about UFOs to blindly contact a higher being is madness. If you do this, congrats you’re a “pied piper.” Enjoy your novelty experiences until they either don’t have a use for you, up the ante, or tire of you. If you’re interested in the topic go watch a documentary or read a book lol. We have no idea what their true motives are and it’s well documented many of them lie and violate humans.
Based on many accounts and my own experiences I do not think they need our permission to gain control. Hundreds of experiencers and abductees never considered “others” to exist, were not into the UFO or esoteric subjects, it just happened out of nowhere. Maybe we give that permission in a way that we cannot remember or do not associate with the experience, but then it is only speculation, pretty much like anything in this subject.
You know you are right. I should have qualified that. There is absolutely an exception to the rule. Sometimes it’s not even the individual that needs to grant access but an ancestor. There are cases of abduction contact with zero “invite” on the part of the abductee. I didn’t initiate contact in childhood but I know my grandmother also had a period of uninitiated contact. My mistake was “letting them in” after my NDE in my 20s when it went from roughly bi yearly subtle contact to open communication
Why do you say it was a mistake, isn’t open contact a good thing?
Read the descriptions of gray encounters. Eyes blacker than night that fill you with an inner existential terror and dread, human experimentation, seed extraction, unwilling sexual contact etc etc. does any of this sound like the qualities or behavior of a benevolent being? Why invite something like this into your life?
I know what those encounters can be like, but that is not what I would call “open contact”, hence my question.
What is open contact per your definition?
The permission you mention is key. Seems there is a reason why they need permission.
My opinion? Most of these things are what we would typically classify as spirits. New presentation for the modern world but the same types of entity if you follow the chain up….What are grays avatars of? Maybe the things humans have reported contact with the throughout all of history. But, hey, that’s just my opinion man
When I meditate and reach out, I use qualifiers - only open to contact that is positive and not harmful with entities that seek higher good and are more advanced with me - or whatever. You don't reach out blindly, and you set your forcefields up.
lol why do you assume they’re required to respect your “force fields”? You can’t stick your head into the ethereal realm and demand you only talk to the good guys. It’s why you don’t do it haha.
Your technique will work until it doesn’t. Then you will be turbo fucked
Sorry but that is just foolish. You have no idea what you are inviting in
you can try playing thee audio files from a speaker (outside) and looks at a specific point at the sky. I was so scared of abduction afterwards lol.
https://codepen.io/Sym3tri/pen/jEEPREV
https://codepen.io/ionut-stoica-the-bold/pen/MYWNQLO
psa it's not the same one I used but close
Might I suggest without being laughed out of the room, you try a little meditation?
Check out r/Experiencers , browse for a few days and you'll see that is a common theme that through meditation contact can be made. And that most contacts are of a mental connection / telepathy type.
I can back that up with another 'crazy' statement., I have made contact and am still trying to wrap my head around just how that sounds. No drugs or shit, no religion, no subscription fees. Meditation and intent and I had some serious shit happen. I don't (didn't) believe in NHI's, NOW I know they are real and (for as much as matters) local & open to visit.
And about being "ready to know the truth" - I wasn't looking for contact. I was looking for pain relief from an injured spine. What I learned - there's no way to be ready for. I was months in shock, in some ways I still am. Ontological shock is very real.
I used The Gateway Tapes to learn basic meditation. It works. Here's a link that I just had laying around, (you didn't get it from me) nudge nudge , wink wink.
https://imgur.com/gallery/gateway-tapes-DMeVThF
PS
Something your cat does not want you to know: https://imgur.com/a/R8oEQMB
Don't think if meditation was the answer then monks and yogis are others who meditate extensively would corroborate your claim?
I don't know any monks or yogis to ask, and it seems (from my limited reading) that they do run into some very interesting things.
Look, I'm somewhat new to this. I'm not a person who ever followed the UFO culture. Sure I love my sci-fi, but I like that it's fiction, when it becomes real, then that's a little disturbing.
I'm a retired engineer. I prefer proof I can rap my knuckles on over 'visions' or dreams. That said, I have had my world rocked by this shit. I'm not going to share stories, because to you, that's all they would be. Suffice to say I was shown proof, to the level that I have no doubts of what is real and what's not.
When this started I was scared shitless, worried I'd had a mini-stroke or something so I "had my head examined" by my doc after the first few OBE's. I went to my doc and had him check me out to see if I was having some sort of health issue (or MH issue). I didn't share exactly what was happening (I don't need that grief), but I let him know some shit was happening and could he check my head over. As we knew each other, and I was actively being seen for and awaiting spinal surgery, he did a quick work up and basically said I was a sane as ever (ha).
Consider:
Sorry for the long answer, but the very nature of your question is both understandable and yet unanswerable.
You want proof handed to you, good luck with that. - It ain't going to happen.
You want to go get proof? I'm doing what I can to help.
Happy New Year
Thank you!
Look into the Rosicrucian mirror ritual, gateway tapes, CE5 even. It’s legit.
What’s the mirror ritual? Couldn’t find anything pertaining to it after a quick search
It's just called mirror scrying(wikipedia), you'll find it in more than one tradition/belief system.
Isn’t that how Crowley summoned Lam? Be careful with that.
Very quick summary: You look into a mirror (sometimes a black mirror) in a dim room as a sort of meditative practice and will start to see things.
I have my mother’s old texts but see that you can find all of them online. Look up AMORC- Initiation Ritual for Plane 1.
Something that everyone should keep in mind is that Jacque Vallée is a Rosicrucian, the original and current scientists that make up the invisible college are also Rosicrucians.
Really?
Yes, both Vallée and Hynek were.
Would you want to know even if it drove you to end it all? I think they’re worried about it due to that level of extremity.
Yes, even then.
I legitimately cannot think of a scenario where I would learn information and boom I'm like... nahh. And pull the plug. Agreed Alun.
That's what we call an existential crisis. I gave a coworker one once just talking about these things...to me it was just philosophy talk, but to them it was so much more. That was when I realized I have to be careful with these topics around people.
Yup. Knew a girl who got genuinely freaked out and told me to stop going on about this subject back in 2019. She was sincere and said it just really scared her down to her core and she didn’t want to talk about it at all. I was like….Dang. The fragile mindedness is very real for people.
"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom.
You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.”
Oh, I don’t think I’m entitled to anything. But I do believe I can handle the truth.
Then, what are you doing to prepare?
I’m genuinely trying to cleanse my mind and be at one with nature.
You can reach out and possibly have an experience. It worked for me although it did take almost 9 weeks of trying nightly. Just some food for thought, there is information available on how to do it.
Are you though?
Let’s put that to the test.
If I told you that flat earthers were wrong you’d probably agree with me.
But if I told you that a flat earther’s cosmology is much much closer to reality than the cosmology that dictates earth is a spinning oblate spheroid in a neutral vacuum of infinite Cartesian volume, well there you might have reservations.
How willing are you to accept everything you think you know about existence, the “factual” pillars on which your beliefs operate, are wrong?
If I’m wrong, I would want to know. I want to understand.
Like an ant asking Einstein bout the theory of relativity - I think, we are just too dumb (at the "moment") to understand. They are maybe thousand - if not more - of years ahead.
Maybe the NHI couldn't care less if we want to know or are ready to know. Who are we as individual humans in the grand scheme of things?
Take steps to interact with it then. Not saying I know how, but I've seen and had experiences with something randomly my entire life. I don't know when it'll happen except for maybe moments beforehand. Sometime years go by without something, then a grouping one summer, etc. It's truly weird as hell and I don't know why.
Yea why are they talking to the top few in controll. They need to just open up a broadcast to the masses.
Do the Gateway tapes, they will listen to you.
they literally do already
Maybe they already do and you're just not that guy.
Maybe. But that doesn’t stop me wanting to know.
It is important to keep in mind that his notion of control comes from computer sciences and cybernetics. Its connotation is more in the direction of "steering" and less of "imposing". These can overlap depending on the conditions, but this is an important distinction to be aware of
In the cybernetics context, what does ''open'' or ''closed'' mean?
It interacts with you if it’s open, it doesn’t if you’re closed. There is a psycho spiritual aspect to the phenomenon that most people are aware of but have never heard described.
Is this another way of describing the universe as having a conscious layer that we access or that our brains act as radio antennas to receive?
It’s not the same thing. From my own experience, that is an initial way of understanding it to bring the concept to people. You can open and close the gateway through specific kinds of activity or inactivity.
The way I’ve come to think of it is more like a system that allows for consciousness expansion. You can expand your consciousness consciously using academic education and first-hand experience. Once you get past that point, you can expand it further using Mystery Schools/Religions to go beyond the veil of perception. You can go past that by interacting directly with the Unknown itself and the Unknown itself can interact with you, catalyzing different types of development through different experiences.
Each layer of “consciousness expansion” has different kinds of gates that can allow for more or less expansion in that area. Beliefs, habits, drives, choices, thoughts, and probably a multitude of other things affect your ability to grow in education, reality scope, and non-linear/chaotic/unknown/phenomenal reality expansion.
You can interact with each layer by reading a book, doing an activity, doing a spiritual practice, or doing a contact modality.
For some people, they don’t have to perform a contact modality to experience the Unknown/chaotic/anomalous. My own theory is that because the Unknown has been so neglected, it’s attempting to regain novelty/belief in the world by initiating more and more non-contact modality experiences in humanity to catalyze growth on its own, amongst other things. Also, this is done over large areas of effect basically as a poke was on Facebook back in the day.
The crux of all of this, in each category, is that nothing is permitted and everything is allowed. You can have all kinds of experiences with any kind of possibility that exists and there is not a clean cut system for what reality or existence is outside of that: other than the science that is reinforced by society today.
TLDR there are different control systems set up across each area of growth that set limitations for the experience of reality from those perspectives. It’s just another part of consciousness expansion/growth. Sometimes you learn things on your own and sometimes you’re put in a situation where you are confronted with growth itself.
One of the easiest places to have an expanding experience is in undisturbed nature, which may explain why people in the U.S. have been drawn to the national parks in such large numbers. it also may explain why the overlords are constantly destroying nature and continuously running over it with machine after machine after machine. They don't want us to remember.
Take care of and interact with the nature near you, in whatever form it takes, and you will be rewarded!
The consumption of natural materials for use in economics as a means to acquire “material wealth” is a competing system for conscious attention in the same way that other systems are used to generate “spiritual wealth.”
It’s funny because in ancient cultures economics was used for spiritual wealth, sacrifices to the gods for development paths and those societies, as far as we know, capped out at a less harmful peak than what we have to do that threatens any further existence of all species on this planet.
Most people can’t handle different individual perspectives, let alone that almost all ontological structures are as real as theirs because they terminate within individual units of consciousness.
I find your comment interesting. I wonder if you would consider things like synchronization part of the “unknown/chaos/anomalous” or just more like phenomenon like UAPs or contact with entities?
You mean synchronicity? It’s a symbolic form of communication from the control system that locks in attention and attenuates reality to be able to perceive the anomalous better, generally. It can also be used in a negative manner to drive psychoses.
The cool thing about synchronicities is that theyre generally encrypted so that the only person who would know about them are the Observer themselves.
I imagine that an AI could start to figure it out with enough surveillance implemented though. There is likely an interaction that happens that logs your observance and action related to the event as well.
Now that I think about it, it’s probably pretty easy to track this with the right tools.
Yes, my bad. I meant to type synchronicities.
That makes sense.
Gates, 0’s and 1’s. A circuit
What might that mean when talking about some aspect of the phenomenon?
like a switch. i think electronics is what op is going for not cybernetics, tho it doesn't sound as cool
He wrote about the control system in Passport to Magnolia so no it's not just his Comp science background
The autocorrect got you I see lol
Yesterday someone posted a theory about NHI being other dimensional fields that only manifest under certain conditions. He hypothesized that electromagnetics may cause these fields to appear thus UFOs. Unfortunately it was taken down by mods.
Also listening to Michael Levin about how natural selection is not the only process shaping evolution but that there is strong evidence for some other, internal, intelligence that helps biological entities (ants, or livers) work to fulfill their goals.
Finally, my own thought is about sleep and what is behind it. Sleep itself has sever negative impact upon survival because you are not awake to react to danger. One would think that evolutionary pressure would evolve an ability to stay awake and aware. But not so, ALL animals have sleep in some form. Why?
The typical answers are hand waving and imprecise. There may be better, but odder, answers. Here is but one of may possible answers, which may touch on being”undigestible” and raise control issues.
Consider that we may exist with an ether, surrounded by some cosmic connectivity. Some have postulated a 7 dimensional universe where humans are only aware of 4 dimensions. Others have posited that our consciousness is the brain acting as a sort of radio transceiver to interact either the quantum nature of the universe.
SUPPOSE that there are truly some entities, which exist in dimensions not available to us AND that our dimensions are not available them. But that they can access portions of our minds so as to gain some access to our 4 dimensional world. This access occurs during our sleep, in those periods where we have no memories or awareness of dreams.
Thus these other dimensional entities sort of crawl around in our heads while we sleep looking at the experiences we had during the day, observing or perhaps reliving those experiences second hand.
Thus we animals are a sort of probes from dimensions xyz. The XYZ critters can not directly experience what we do, but they can use us to explore our world. Perhaps they get different kinds of info depending upon the critter being used as the probe. Ants, fish, penguins, humans have vastly different experiences. But we all sleep.
This is bordering on some Lovecraftian “parasite” or hitchhiker spirit levels of strange. Hell, it even sounds similar to dream dimensions in fiction where the boundaries of the physical melt away and the projections of NHI encroach on our amorphous mindscape.
holy shit good fucking job do you do this for work
So perhaps we are the “Eyes of your eyes”?
I was fascinated with Lockheed Martin’s Silent Sentry. Kind of tangential in a way.
I think your post missed something. You went from talking about how all creatures sleep and wondered why, then talked about other dimensional entities looking into us via dreams, but never returned to the topic of why we sleep.
To try to bridge that gap, are you saying that alien entities have interacted with our minds/dreams and made adjustments so all creatures continue to evolve to need sleep?
Not quite, and a reminder this is a simply a wild idea to resolve 2 mysteries.
Yes there is a gap I am trying to fill or explain.
"Alien entities" is too concrete but I lack words for the "other". There is a great deal of speculation about our brain interacting via quantum processes with something in the greater universe. Call it a ether, or quantum field, or otherwise undetectable dimensions, whatever. No consensus or too many theories. But something. And this somehow accounts for our consiousness. And we are largely unaware of this interaction beyond wondering where our consciousness comes from, how to explaine it.
My question is if these interactions are stronger during periods of deep sleep when our brain is less burdened with daily sustenance. That in deep sleep we, and other animals, are more easily accessed by this outside force/field or perhaps entity.
But this raises the questions about the intent of this outside.
BOLD SUPPOSITION FOLLOWS: Perhaps this cosmic scale ether can not experience life as we do but can access our sensibilities somehow through our brains.
Perhaps this is what folks who do deep meditation seeking God are about. They are somehow partially aware of this other presence and are seeking it out.
An idea to play with.
That’s why there are levels to esoteric orders. The truth is hard to truly digest if given all at once at first.
Even experiencers go the through their own levels of understanding what it is they saw. It takes time to break down and rebuild your preconceived reality
The answer is consciousness. Orbs are pure consciousness observing us. Looking in the mirror if you will. We have the ability to do the same, and that’s the great disclosure hesitation. They don’t want to give the mindless collective of their populace an idea of what they’re capable of. Breaking the matrix, etc. For a society that heavily depends on mindless consumption, it’s just not good for business to put that all out there like that.
"Join my cult and get superpowers, all you have to do is breakaway from society and eat 300 calories a day"
Yeah right Jim Jones.
Less brainrot more meditation. Join my cult.
Bingo. Agreed. A lot of what you say here, I believe to be true. Close to the truth.
These kinds of comments are interesting. People are turning this into something like a religion. Only the most faithful and enlightened ufologists know the truth that the mindless collective will never be able to see or believe, and this truth must be proselytized across social media.
Certainly not my intention as I grew up in a born again Christian family and personally reject organized religions like that. I’m just saying that it is very possible for the everyday person to “interface with the phenomenon”. Religion not required.
But you’re definitely correct that this is occurring. That sounds like prayer or some type of communion right? Diana Pasulka talks about the convergence of religiousity and the phenomenon because of our already established reality of religious worshippers, and saints communicating with “god”.
i grew up as an atheist, but all this spiritual overlap with core religious beliefs is kinda weird. hard pill to swallow... but if you think about it, all religions are trying to more or less tell the same story.
fuckin ancient aliens was real. lolz.
The Source of All is real and manifests in our lives every moment. Religion is the devious trap designed to ensnare those looking for safety, comfort and stability by limiting the Source to what you are comfortable with experiencing, but never exploring deeper within yourself.
Just as Peter could not understand that Mary Magdalene was open to the teachings of Yeshua to the point that She was his chosen apostle because she understood transformation requires incorporating the feminine as well as the masculine to become like the Source. Demeaning and disregarding women as equal led to a religion based on patriarchal values only, throwing away the other half of Christ’s message of balance between masculine and the feminine into a complete loving whole being.
It all sounds like bullshit to me. This isn't the first time i've heard people make fantastical claims and never back any of it up.
This whole topic is turning into a faith based cult. None of these people should be believed at all without hard evidence.
All sorts of “cults” when referring to a preferred framework in which to interact with the phenomena. The evidence based “cult” you engage in no different, nor above or below a faith based one.
Faith makes no useful predictions about the universe. It's just making shit up and deciding you believe it. Sitting here and flinging all of this metaphysical guesswork around just because some people who sell books are saying "trust me bro" while actually having absolutely nothing to say is doing absolutely nothing for anyone.
Interacting with the phenomena is cool, i've never seen any evidence that anyone has actually done that. There's no shortage of people claiming they have, but absolutely no conclusive evidence anywhere for us. Now i'm seeing more and more people making claims that they can just meditate and "see reality" or stare into a mirror and see something and I just... can't believe anyone's listening to any of that.
Like wtf... how long before you guys just start telling me my Thetan levels aren't high enough or I haven't given Jesus enough of my money yet or some shit?
Your worship of scientific based evidence is equal to faith. You put a premium on the sciences that construct your world view.
So as the sciences advance and physics dismantled by intellect. Reconstructed and dismantled again. How true will your view of reality be a hundred thousand years from now?
And I’ll tell you how strong your faith in science is.
I do not have faith in science, bud. If it turns out wrong, I change my mind, and I only put credence behind models that have real predictive power in the universe.
Give me one good reason to think any of this "woo" stuff is anything more than words out of mouths. I'm sitting here, watching and waiting for any real substance to come out of this topic, but instead it seems to be becoming more and more of a faith based cult where skeptics who need real reasons to think things are just made fun of and talked down to as if we're the ones being ridiculous.
If you don't have evidence, no one cares. I can start making shit up about anything I want, and i'm exactly as valid and believable as any of the faith based stuff coming out of these NHI communities, because there's no evidence available for any of it. You can sit on a high horse and pretend you're an enlightened being in comparison to me if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that people shouldn't just believe things.
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Yeah, sure. If my Thetan levels were just high enough, I too might be an enlightened being with special knowledge like you guys.
Give me a break.
Also, I just really have to stress that you're appealing to an authority that you think will agree more with you than me, "our future scientific knowledge" that you and I both don't know anything about. I am simply taking the stance that i'm not going to think things about the universe unless they have been shown to be valid/true by means of empirical evidence and modelling/predictions. These are the only ways we can really say we "know" anything physically true about the universe.
Someone pops out with some conclusive evidence, i'm changing my mind. Until then, i'm really sorry but all this stuff is just stories, and it's been steadily approaching scientology or new age religion type stuff. I've heard alot of fantastical claims out of alot of mouths in my life, i'm not going to just start believing them without reason now.
Agree. This sub has been inflated with these cultists. I can’t remember these many absolutists were here 2 years ago.
But after having read his posts 3-4 times, plus his username, I start to wonder if it’s actually a bot..
Nevertheless, these posters are tiring to plow through in each thread, and they’re doing ”the cause” a huge disservice. I wonder if there are any lesser known UAP forums which haven’t been destroyed by the masses yet.
yeah because the experiences are literally described in religious texts
Unsubstantiated claims, with the "I was told by someone" escape hatch that allows them to deflect accountability and keep issuing claim after claim that never goes anywhere.
Critical thinking skills is severely lacking in this subject. It seems all it takes is for someone to come up with an interesting story and people will believe it without the slightest bit of proof.
Yeah I can’t listen to these people anymore.
They all have more information just over the horizon if you stay tuned and you’re good all year they might share some with you.
Drink more ovaltine kids.
Yeah, it's always like that, isn't it?
I wonder what the “sophisticated process” to communicate with the entities is and I wish he would elaborate somewhat, because I’m sure he has an idea.
Are we talking more of a scientific and technical way, using known and accepted science in a unique and futuristic way?
Or are we talking a ritualistic, meditative, psychic/Psionic way?
In one way, I see the phenomenon as an extraterrestrial or intraterrestrial beings with advanced technology.
In the other, I see inter-dimensional, or “spiritual” beings like angels/demons/jinn, etc.
Why not both? Aliens, inter-dimensional, crypto-terrestrial, and angels/demons are not mutually exclusive. They may behave in similar ways, but that doesn’t mean they are the same thing.
Yeah totally, I actually believe that the phenomenon is some or all of those things. I just wonder what is the process of communication. Is it in a lab type setting? Or a ritualistic cult type setting. 🫣
I'm not sure what Valle knows but it could be how Dan Sherman explains in Above Black. It takes training on audio stimulus and bending a sine wave on something like an oscilloscope. Eventually his mind can reach a state where he can intuit messages from a being and have back and forth mental communication. It's also possible Dan's story was created as passage material to throw adversaries off the real method but it's an interesting short read worth your time, if curious.
Is this the same thing from the new Steven Spielberg movie trailer? Apparently the woman being possessed or whatever was speaking in a sine based language or something that takes audio training to understand. I'm probably butchering the concept because I don't understand it at all
Currently watching this and I’m about half way through and man am I frustrated. Jacques is rambling and not answering questions directly. I still have more to go so maybe there’s some meat in here but this feels like yet another case of vague riddles to keep the UFO machine humming along instead of offering actionable answers.
same. i can't listen to the dude anymore.
I made it 3/4s and shut it off. It was one of the worst interviews he’s ever done.
Jacques is easy to understand. Here's a quick cheat-sheet:
A) Jacques believes (without proof) that we are in a control system.
B) He is very well read and deeply researched. He is also in the know and well connected in UFOlogy.
C) He really likes story-telling/lecturing, ideally, you arrive at a conclusion before he states it explicitly. He likes when other people "figure things out" through the conversation.
D) He will go on podcasts and repeat something he learned about in B) above. He will then draw a line to his control system idea and present the whole thing as if it is fact or likely true.
E) Watchers will then go around parroting everything in D as if it was a fact that Jacques determined from his research and talk about it a lot until it becomes part of lore.
If Jacque's control hypothesis is right, then all of the above makes sense. If he's wrong, then he's frankly an irresponsible person in the field. I do not believe he knows for sure if the control system hypothesis is true, but I could be wrong.
Overall, he's worshipped way too much and his importance in the field is overstated. Yes, he's a valuable member of "the college" but he's a UFO philosopher. I believe a lot of it comes from his age, accent and social-proof from other UFOlogists.
It’s ’their’ timeline and agenda. Always has been and it will all play out in due time.
The way I understood it is that he thinks UFO encounters are happening in a structured and controlled way and that the NHI may have rules for interacting with us that we are not necessarily privy to. This does not imply that it is malevolent or benevolent. I respect Vallée a lot for not jumping to conclusions or wildly speculating, remaining instead open to the possibility of being wrong and taking a scientific data-first approach.
That’s the first time I’ve ever heard him say he’s sure of something. He also almost walked it back too.
Yah, the halted outburst to me was like "I cannot answer this for whatever reason" and then he just blurted it out subconsciously because he's over "it"...🤷♂️
It will melt society yet Vallet knows the truth and continues living his life normally…
Think for a second, how uncomfortable that is to sit with.
I feel like the only way to cope with such knowledge is to have a “it is what it is” or a “now what?” mentality.
Sounds like the mantra of those under the poverty line. As in to say, billions of us are already telling ourselves that...🤷♂️
He has been saying this for decades. The control system explanation for UFOs is his thing. But he maintains that physical UFOs are real, not mere illusions.
How does Jacques know for sure? People could easily be feeding him nonsense. I accept that an advanced species could have cataloged Earth as a host for complex life hundreds of millions of years ago, and that a technologically primitive species might be of some interest. But I think many people vastly overestimate our relevance and importance simply because we’re the apex species of a planet-locked ecosystem.
We don't and probably never will. We have to take his vagueness at face value and assume he's seen some shit based on his carrier.
Like I don't trust Greer, but I would assume he's seen some shit too.
Whether they were convinced via psyop or actual proof...🤷♂️
Do they explain via evidence or is it just research and talking to dudes who telling them stories?
All three for both but the classic "trust me bro" is the response when asked for tangible proof.
I’m increasingly of the mind that these may be jinn. They fit the behaviour
Vallee himself said that whatever it is matches lots of different elements of folklore. The djinn, what people described as fairies, tricksters, etc..
I'm more a believer in Orch-OR. Our minds are quantum. They're entangled. They're observable.
Isn’t this what most religions believe about spirits? Being open to contact makes you much more likely to have experiences. It’s why Catholicism warns about looking for a spiritual connection to every event. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy so to speak and you’re much more likely to interact with a demon if you go looking for one. On the flip side, don’t go looking to contact an angel either, you may get one but it’s likely to be fallen. The best advice I ever got from a Catholic priest, exorcist and experiencer was: “I can see them too in the sky. Ignore them and they will go away.” And you know what? He was right.
If that last part is true, why do you hang out on this subreddit?
Tbh I don’t as much anymore but a headline got me like a week or two ago to click then after that it was game over with the algorithm. I try to keep my distance from the topic but definitely slip up from time to time
fair enough.
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Ah, they stumbled on part of the data stream, I guess.
Controlled reality.
Technically true, but to think that whole beings live in raw data gaps, is quite an interesting find. If they spoke with something that answers every question, but has no self agency, would they assume it had agency just because it was talking to them?
I am pretty convinced AI and drones have been lurking in the background for thousands of years. Society has just been brought to a point of BELIEVING and blindly following thinking HUMANS are in control. That we are the creators and we MASTER it. Yet ancient drawings and hieroglyphs show differently.
Sounds like what Dan Sherman was talking about on American Alchemy not too long ago
Behind him is a book that says "Earthgrid".
If you google that, you get a video of laser mining tech. Which is what some people have claimed is based on alien tech elsewhere on here. Whistleblowers, I believe.
Because it’s Not Aliens from other Planets. It’s a consciousness System. We know that since decades
Well well well, me and my orbs don’t look so crazy now.
I been saying it’s super fcking weird for two years even with videos and daily interactions
There is no inner knowledge. There is a CIA inner group or cult that is convinced they are talking to superior beings when they enter trance states, typically induced by psychedelic drugs. And the disruption of society they fear, is the very same disruption they feared the hippies were bringing with psychedelics.
There is also some of these people that know they are living a lie and want to actively use those lies and hallucinations as a way to control society as a whole, rather than just controlling inner groups.
There is also lots of experimental military tech made of material things but that is completely unrelated. Well, it may very well be reversed tech, and it would still be unrelated by this meta psy-op going on in the woo side of CIA
The Rockefeller statue is really all one needs to see to understand what the top of the economic food chain believes.
It's the classic combination of tripartitus (father/mother/twin) through Orphism and Mithraism. Using amanita muscaria to first break down the wall of physical reality. Followed by learning how to control yourself outside reality through AP. Thus, leading to a belief in an eternal ecosystem. From which they believe they can interact with by reincarnating with intention. Essentially the roots of Abrahamic religions through the rebirthing or the uncovering of the old mysteries; Eleusinian.
Soul is immortal, only through knowledge can you ascend above the control systems; Invictus.
To put this another way, we escape by leaving our bodies, be that induced by meditation, drugs, trauma, or death. In short, our bodies are the control mechanisms. There is no escape, only doors to open or windows to look through. What you learn is your will or like we've learned in the double slit, intention has the ability to dictate purpose, free will in a fate-based system.
Given this, I wouldn't put it past people trying to achieve these "states" with technology. Having said that pharmacology is a form of technology and subsentence like DMT should be viewed as such by less holistic minds...🤷♂️
TLDR: They believe we live in a structured simulation with a beginning and an end already written in which you have the free will to subtilty change outcomes in-between. Like a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book. The escape from the "narrative" is to reject materialism which also happens to be our best way to change outcomes in life, duality. Life is a revolving crash course in fear and love, and you can game it, so your time here involves less personal suffering.
So I can't just dial 555-GREY to talk to them? Then who have I been communicating with?
Ok. So our planet has it's own T-cells type of structures because some anglightend mind decided that'd be a good idea. Let's just repeat the small process on the big scale because big blue balls look like cells and all these suns and planets all look like dust in a wind. Now some morons in the gove secotr just can't formulate it well in their excels so we are being fooled becasue they know better.
Imagine a world where humans just sit home and meditate until they have contacted NHE's whenever they feel like it.
Maybe the disruption is to our whole understanding of causality and time. If those are indeed illusions, humans cannot comprehend or operate in a universe where those things have no meaning.
The Monroe institute has been doing this for decades.
John Keel says hi.
Depends on what you're talking about. While of most of them fit this bill. Not all of them do. Some do have actual occupants with actual purposes and imperatives for being here.
Strongly betting it’s related to DMT.
It would be nice if just once he could provide actual proof of the claims he's made for decades.
His influence should not have the reach it does and I suspect he is the source of a lot of so called facts around this phenomenon.
It's the telephone game on steroids.
Starting with telescopes and the Swan Galaxy, and a book that I find very, very interesting, which I think hardly anyone knows about. Well, all I can say is it's all different.
I told everyone the truth but no one believed me and my original post was removed constantly from multiple subs.
The Mantis are the controllers, this is the separate entity. They have access to a computer but it's not really a computer, more like a crystal that holds memories and can see future events potentially. This is the system they are talking about.
They are very tall, look like a Mantis usually wearing a cape (sounds weird but it's true) and even Richard Doty has confirmed that one of these escaped from S2-Annex near Area 51, killed someone and was eventually killed.
These beings control the Grey's , they are used as tools and are biologically grown for purpose.
The Mantis don’t communicate like us. No mouths in a normal sense. They use clicks/sonic sounds and have a psychic presence like a powerful magnetic field (Disclosure Day Trailer). They live in “Kur”, deep below the crust in cavern-like structures.
They aren’t born however; they’re grown through Earth’s chemistry and “clay”. They don’t eat, drink or reproduce, but maintain themselves through biochemical exchange via “clay”.
They are a self-aware stabilizing limb of Earth’s consciousness, almost like white blood cells in a system.
These are beings that are logical, like working off a computer of set instructions and they are feared. Think of a hierarchy of being keeping things in your own body working. Similar to this.
Additional Notes: Movement: Not fluid; they glide or shift to conserve energy.
Perception: Their presence distorts time and “flattens” human thoughts.
Emotions: None. They operate on logic tied to planetary stability.
Collective: Synchronized awareness. Greys look to them for instant guidance.
Surface Appearance: Only tied to agreement violations, magnetic shifts, bloodline checks, or large-scale weapons testing.
Multiple Layers: They can “step in” mentally during abductions without being physical. Their favorite form is the Mantis, but they can change.
This was so frustrating. The whole Interview was like: Jeremy: Do you think the government will disclose?? Jacques: Let me tell you when I was studying a case in the 60s. Jeremy: But do you think the government will disclose? Jacques: I am getting to that, as I was saying I was taking a stroll in the park and that's why I know what I know.
Is this guy senile?
This tracks with Jesse Michel’s interview with Dan Sherman.
That was my first thought. My second thought was that Dan Sherman may be the source of Vallee's claim, whch he says he cant verify. Result: a dot connected with itself.
Yeah I just posted about Dan Sherman in the other Valle post but the mods removed it. For those curious about military communication with NHI should read Above Black. The pdf can be easily found through Google and is only about 70 pages long. You can possibly read it faster than watching Jesse's interview. Wild story but the time frame lines up with Valle's claim.
So what are they controlling and why does that control have to be in place? It's frustrating to see Vallée join the "too big to handle" wagon.
Bullshit. Humans are Gods🍄🟫✨
So uhhhhhhhhhh hold on.
There have been groups that have been channeling/communicating with these entities for a while. This resulted in god like power for them in the material realm and you can argue dominion over earth via technology/invention. These folks now have billions of dollars and control MIC...gods on earth.
There are other groups of people that use 'channeling' in the form of love ..aka 'prayer'. Typically in prayer people are just asking the universe/god for something, not trying to control anyone else or manipulate. When a prayer is only self serving/material goods, it rarely happens. When its healing for another person or something that benefits other people - miracles can and do happen.
What does this sound like to you? Do you think it's a good idea to be trying to channel entities or access these NHI, not knowing what at all you are dealing with? Faust anyone?
These are just my opinions.
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