We often hear that they don’t disclose because society cannot handle it. Personally, I don’t believe the debunking of religion would be earth shattering for most people. I think it would be more in line with humans are a food/energy/resource, slave labor or not the “main character”. Most people look at animals as being disposable or not spiritually/cosmically important as us. Maybe we are just the same? my point is I think it would have to be something genuinely disturbing/horrifying to warrant such a claim.
You all know way more than I do so I would be interested in hearing your thoughts or what your research has led you to.
Whatever it is, if Tucker Carlson can handle it, so can I.
The true horror is probably hearing what a few powerful humans have done to keep the info hidden in an effort to keep existing power structures in place. Full disclosure of the role human malice has played in all this is what i assume to be the true horror.
This. The horror isn’t the truth of what it means to humanity, but what those who have known and kept this secret have done on behalf of humanity that will be horrific.
Something like “yeah we’ve known and instead of trying to understand the phenomena we have actively committed atrocities on behalf of all humanity instead. So yeah, they’re going to destroy us now because we in power decided we needed to be violent to steal and take the tech so we could control you all but now that we’ve failed and we’re all fucked Mea Culpa I guess.”
Right... with this knowledge we could have gone the Star Trek route, but nawww, them greedy bastids are taking us right into Mad Max.
“Our simple human minds have only thought about how we can reverse engineer this technology…for war.”
Sad isn’t it.
What if that's a big part of the horror?
That we are looked at as animals that could be easily be wiped out withiut a thought, if we are not kept perfectly in line
And every dirty thing the Govt ever did was to keep us "in line" and protect us from annihilation for another day
People DO struggle with seeing themselves as uncontrollable animals,even though it's often true
If assumptions are true that NHI are so far more advanced and could click a finger and wipe us out then it’s inevitable and it wouldn’t be kept a secret. Instead it seems more plausible that we (humans and those with the means/resources to engage or take action with NHI - not just random people sightings) are violent and paranoid, seeking first to destroy and it’s become clear that this folly is going to backfire at some point.
What if the horror is that it’s real, but has no decipherable meaning
Imagine the lawsuits on government sanctioned abductions and experimentation?
That is the problem. If aliens exist, why would they reveal themselves only to a small, secret group of people? Why not land somewhere unmistakable, like next to the Eiffel Tower? If these beings are so technologically advanced that we pose no threat to them, then they must have a deliberate reason for staying hidden. And that reason could be the dark truth that would shake humanity.
Most likely is that there are multiple species with different agendas. One has probably been using Earth as a livestock pen and been feasting on us. Another might be trying to figure out how to free us without that species just killing us all out of spite, but if they "show themselves", all bets are off and they aren't confident they can save us. Maybe our own government already have deals with the bad guys. Sacrifices for tech. Which constitutes consent.
Why is the assumption the "powerful humans" are the horror and not the NHI directing them?
Both are true to some degree but let's not pretend humanity ever had a fair shake in this reality.
this is really good take. im just afraid if there's something worse then human malice, what if the other forces are even more malicious?
'You couldn't handle it'. Sure, pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. >:/
Add in the people who 'know' and aren't running around screaming how pointless or futile existence or reality is in the face of whatever world breaking concept.
They aren't laying down, giving up, or breaking down mentally or physically.
If I could handle studying what horrors humans have done in my history degree and listening to the worst true crime I can handle aliens being a bit spooky I think.
Exactly! Or like the movie Birdbox, lose the plot and xxx when they find the truth, so it can't be that bad. If they are still able to smile and go about their daily business... We should be able too. I bet Tucker only heard stuff from someone without evidence. Just because you sign an NDA doesn't mean they are instantly telling the truth right?
I would say quite a lot of people get permanently broken down and lose the will to live even from very human mundane things like domestic abuse, chronic illness, loss of loved one.
Did Tucker say he knows or something?
Yeah why do people keep saying his name lol
If you say it in a mirror 3 times he shows up
Oh god no I’ll stick to Bloody Mary
I dont know. Id like to hear what he has said about the topic. Maybe someone can post a link?
Here’s a clip but maybe not the exact right one. I think he thinks it’s demonic and spiritual in nature. I also believe I read this is what President Carter found out. And President Carter reportedly cried when he found out. https://youtube.com/shorts/JCu_tan5KT8?si=z65wIAehnXY-PpOL.
If tucker can read it , we can handle it
Tucker Carlson is a celebrity though, the only thing separating him and a homeless guy drenched in puss screaming off his meds is a TV budget.
Maybe Bad Aliens is true:
https://badaliens.info/
Undigestible, only a few come to mind. Foremost would be that the aliens are here in some presence masquerading as humans. Either they are clones, or hybrids, or take control of a persons mind. They are outwardly indistinguishable to genuine humans. This has the potential to seed great distrust amongst us. We already have a propensity to cleve into separatist groups. This would damage any traces of cohesiveness we have left. It would potentially start civil unrest with one group accusing another of being “them.”
Grush has said something along the lines of we made agreements that put the future of this nation at risk or something similar. Brown implied that those in power were planning a different future than what we all would expect, freely disclosing what had been discovered is what I assumed he meant by that. Somehow there is a lot of good that comes from knowing the truth but a little bad? Repeatedly it's said like this. I think you're right to some extent. Maybe the agreement required us to permit abductions to create this hybrid race? That hybrid race maybe heavier in the population of five eyes nations. So disclosing would mean explaining that not all of us are what we would consider human anymore? Or perhaps the agreement was to permit an NHI colony to form here on earth? It would have to not just be about money and power, the vast majority do not have these things. It would have to be about us as individuals or how we see each other. So I think you're onto something but I have no idea. Lue at least a few times I heard imply some of us might not have souls like we were NPCs or avatars or something but I haven't heard him say that since. Its so hard to pick out what parts were fact vs opinion vs just some report they read on the subject.
"Grush has said something along the lines of we made agreements that put the future of this nation at risk or something similar."
Because if the nation realized we live with artificial scarcity and that our leaders by not giving up nuclear weapons, have prevented us from joining a broader galactic community with our space cousins from 82 Eridani who live without struggling for every damn thing, people would riot.
The Rhea leak makes a lot of sense at least when it comes to the true reason for the coverup. People in power would find their heads in guillotines.
I don't believe the Rhea leak is real. That being said if there is a more powerful human colony out there who have made contact and agrees to unite our citizens with theirs under one rule, that would be a problem for every world government as they would be redundant. I do not believe even they are arrogant enough to believe the only thing missing is a better government structure. Things have been put in place for centuries to cause conflict between us. It doesn't matter who is out there, here it has always been designed to divide us and it has worked quite well.
Exactly. There is no meaningful way that disclosure could happen without the eventual irrelevance of nation-states. So for those in power, billionaires and the politician puppets they control, this WOULD seem like the end of the world. To THEM. To the majority of the 8 billion people on this planet, life would go on, probably with better conditions over time. I loved the book and miniseries Childhood's End.
Okay so they are here, they don't allow us complete freedom of choice and they can take out your soul and place one of them inside instead. And we do not have the means to stop them on any level and we can't tell if someone was "hijacked".
When anyone reads this scenario, it is a drop in a bucket, it is merely speculation and there is zero evidence for this to be true.
It sounds pretty bad on paper, but you can entertain the idea briefly without feeling any kind of distress or unrest. Could you handle it? Yes you say. Yes says everyone.
The problem is, that the listed factors maintain plausible deniability. Now imagine that shit hits the fan in US politically and somehow Obama becomes president again. A serious person and head of the opera.
One day makes an announcement addressing the world from the oval office. He explains the scenario, he whips out an alien who is our ally, but confirms the scenario and then they show a captured craft and display its ability to ignore gravity and inertia.
At this point the scenario has been elevated from the bucket to a pedestal. The commander in chief knowing the truth introduces it and they provide lots of evidence in many more forms than just the adress. The scenario slowly solidifies into reality in peoples minds.
This is the point where the mind is introduced to a completely new reality. It goes down the tracks of implications and new dangers that were completely impossible just 45 minutes ago. This is where things begin to start becoming distressing. You start spiraling. There is no ontological shock before this point. You cannot experience it until your reality starts cracking and changing, because you truly believe what ever it is to be real. I'm not speculating here about this, I've experienced it, and I drugged myself to decelerate the panic. It starts out with excitement. But after less than hour the implications that were hidden, start showing themselves. It gets distressing and if you spiral too hard you go into a psychosis and you will be afraid of whether you have gone insane. I wish I could explain this better. So that people understand where the true problem of the "they can't handle it" statement lies.
Tom Delonge said he didn't sleep for 3 days after hearing the truth and I believe him.
Have we heard the truth though yet? That's what everyone is asking, because despite that maybe a lot of us haven't accepted these things as fact yet a lot of us have too. If we haven't heard the truth yet, you called consciousness being hijacked as a drop in the bucket, then I don't think any of us could be prepared for it. They need to do trials on vetting this stuff. You take groups of people well versed in UAP lore, have them sign an NDA or take something that makes them forget after x number of days if that is possible, take wide samples to cover different personality types...and expose them to the truth. Countless people in UAP community would agree to this. How would you stop them from exposing the truth? I don't know it appears to have worked well so far to government officials, besides if it's truly off the wall who will believe them. The story would go like "Some guys in black suits stopped by asked me to participate in a study, gave me some pills (placebos but they will be told they are something else to deny the entire thing) and spill the beans all of it". Leave out specifics so they can't verify anything but provide proof beyond their doubt and see what it takes for them to swallow the pill without going insane. Hell have them talk to a NHI. You don't just keep telling people they can't handle the truth, the truth is going to come out if they like it or not. They should be spending this time trying to identify how they should manage that truth, not change it, not alter it, manage it so there are fewer crazy people afterwards. Id love to volunteer, we all would. If it means a system is put in place to make disclosure possible you'd be hard to find anyone not willing to participate. That will not happen though, because this isn't just about scary stuff it's about dealing with the lies they've fed us for so long. You can't fix reality and you can't fix people by hiding the truth. Part of the problem here and why people do question their sanity is because they have no community to turn to so they can share these experiences. The experience itself isolates someone and breaks their social bonds.
Wait. The truth is that UFO'#S and aliens are real and that is what people won't be able to handle? Bc I think that most intelligent, elevated or semi evolved humans already have accepted this as fact even without scientific proof or having had an encounter with a UFO &/or an alien.
I am worried regarding those who manage The Program, as its disproportionately manned by Mormons who harbor an end of the world cult mentality.
Really? Source?
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All that sounds a whole lot like The Cabal from the X-Files.
The *syndicate
The Tesla and the Pyramid soft disclosure scenario. That there is an imminent civilizational reset about to happen and all actions are attempts to keep that knowledge from getting out until the last minute. Probably 2040s.
See this is one of those things I think would actually make everyone freak the fuck out. If the powers at be knew our days as a civilization were numbered and there’s not much we could do, well then everything goes to shit. You keep that secret and milk us for everything we’ve got. Now if somehow that were tied to the UFO/UAP/NHI phenomenon then they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. “UFO’s are real and they have been giving us technological gifts to hopefully help us survive/escape the impending doom…” yeah right. Might as well toss out all sorts of disinfo until the very last minute.
Would also explain the brazen lawbreaking going on in so many world governments, but thats also just human nature to be greedy (I prefer to at least feel shamed and hide my sociopathic tendencies).
Yeah, they stop caring if we notice. They’re building bunkers and plan to be the new elites after the reset.
Or just building their own sarcophogus.
Its the set for Fallout Season 5
We will see in 2036...
Shit, they're acting like that's what's coming. Less care about society over corporate corruption and "fuck it" behavior.
Leslie Keane did an online interview a while ago and she didn’t think we were going to have to worry about things “for much longer”. She refused to elaborate but implied that it wouldn’t be an apocalypse but that we wouldn’t be living in a world we are used to or comfortable in. Elizondo has said he’s afraid for his daughters and that “time is a luxury we can’t afford”. I think the civilisation reset/invasion is possible
Can you tell me which interview that is?
I don't know about this. If they were simply living our lives without interfering, I don't find it disturbing. Disturbing would be if they were influencing our govs, or if they were say invisible, always following and observing us (besides Jesus heh). That would be for me quite disturbing.
This is the one thing, we kill each other over skin color. Imagine if everyone is suddenly introduced to aliens among us. The rich and powerful would be all over that shit as a propaganda tool. I think they're waiting for us to be more loving. Simply put
Why are you assuming aliens and hybrids would not be among rich and powerful?
Whatever it is, whether it is benign or horrible, it’s reality, and we have to accept it. If you have cancer but it is undiagnosed, it is still cancer and you have to deal with it. Stop treating us like babies.
i think the abduction experiences will play a part, especially if it turns out that governments were complicit in return for tech
Why would they need any approval/assistance at all?
Maybe they're polite.
Dwight D. Eisenhower had a quaint meeting with the grey aliens to solidify a little ...treaty.
"What did you think we would just start seizing, tagging, and then dumping people back into the wild without checking if it was okay, first?? What terrible hosts we would be!"
~Alien, that is frankly shocked at such an odious suggestion.
Exactly. The idea seems in itself an anthropocentric fantasy that we would hold so much power and importance that an advanced alien civilization would bother to bargain with us.
In all the abduction reports, there's some kind of mind-wipe. Why would they even bother?
Maybe they know how prone we are to anxiety and depression etc and don’t want to make it worse than it already is
How considerate of them!
This is what I don't understand. It's the same thing with pretty much every theory I hear/read. Almost none of them make any sense when you think about it for a minute or two. The only thing that sort of makes sense is that the government really doesn't know a whole bunch about it if it is going on and if they do have recovered craft they don't want to admit it because they haven't fully figured it out yet and don't want whatever tech they have to be used against us in one way or another should they be forced to show all.
It would be like if you were a caveman and a modern man came to your time with a shotgun and killed a few other cavemen. You watched it all happen so you know the damage it can do. Somehow you either killed the modem human or they left or something but they dropped a few shotguns with some shells. You know if you could just figure out how to make the thing work you would become King of all cavemen and get all the cave bitches and ride a mastodon or something like that. You don't go around and tell everyone what you have. Sure maybe your village could use the shotgun to get some more food but what if your village decides to take it from you and Larry the worst caveman gets it? Or what if the tribe down the river finds out and goes all savage on your tribe and tries to destroy your tribe before you guys figure it out? It's the Prisoners Dilemma. Sure everyone would have a better life if you all worked together but if just one guy decides to take advantage of the technology by himself or one group decides to work together to take the technology then you and everyone else is fucked.
Best thing to do is keep it for yourself, don't tell/tell very few people until you can figure the shotgun out and control the situation.
Maybe they have moral issue with kidnapping people and need human consent? They go to some length to try and make people forget the encounters and put them back where they found them so it doesn’t seem completely evil.
Cultures and religions from across the world have many stories about entities that engage in, and sometimes require, some kind of bargain, trade, consent, invitation, or contract. Maybe there’s something to that.
Maybe to prevent our military from taking them down?
or maybe to stop us nuking our selves to extinction trying to stop them. a few years ago i saw video of a cop talking someone down from self-erasure - used empathy not the pistol he had on hip. might be a little of that dynamic here?
Because despite their massive advantage in tech, I'm guessing that there is a small number of aliens and they don't want to be overrun
I agree with you. If there was some type of agreement made to allow abductions for technology, that would be pretty bad. But there is something worse. The powers that be have murdered many whistleblowers during the past 80 years, and they have lied and gaslit the rest of us. The technology they gatekeep could be beneficial to all of us, yet they keep it hidden so they can weaponize it. The horror they keep talking about may lie at our feet, and not the aliens’.
Real talk: You think that people would be so shocked as to lose their minds knowing the US government has killed people to protect secrets it considered critical to national security (vs. something else like saying all religions are wrong, we're just a petri dish experiment, etc.)?
This is literally the plot to every espionage film and book for the last 50 years, and I'd venture to guess precisely what people expect governments to do, especially knowing the history of MK Ultra, Tuskegee, COINTELPRO/anything with Hoover.
I think the most "terrifying" thing that could happen is what is most likely true: There is NHI, it's here doing things, and we have no idea why and what it wants, nor where it comes from, whether it's guiding or deceiving us, and we're powerless against it.
People look to authority for answers and protection. When they can offer neither, that's when things can break down.
This is what I think as well, humans ego can’t handle the fact that we aren’t the Apex predators we think we are.
Yep. I do. Guess what? We could all be right. Like I said, this thread is speculative.
Yeah based on everything I've researched on the nhi topic the most disturbing Revelations come from stuff that humans have done not so much the aliens. Though if there's any truth to the fact that the government knowingly look the other way on human experimentation or abduction in exchange for technology I think that would make the public angry. Especially considering that none of the technology extracted from the nhi has actually significantly benefited America.
I suspect that humans have not figured out the nature of reality, maybe UFOs are avatars of something outside our understanding, looking in, like Plato’s Cave.
Don’t you think these are very culture bound assumptions? The mere idea of “negotiation” is likely primitive, not to mention the naivite that we would have to “allow” them to do anything.
This. How do you enforce any kind of agreement with a civilization that is so far ahead of you technologically?
I tilt toward that as well. The whole explaining that governments would have to do is immense. I addition, someone would have to take responsibility for everything. Let's say it comes out that there is this energy source, which is clean and can power whole countries or huge cities. Only that would cause so much anger and frustration, that it would bring people to the brink of mutiny/mass protests....
I donno. When you consider the wild stuff that governments currently do with zero actual repercussions.....I'm not so sure this would be any different. I think the disruption to region would be even greater. OP really underestimates how deeply rooted religion still is in this world.
I've always said if we could prove religions were all wrong. A good portion of these religious wackos are gonna commit suicide by blowing shit up
I think people who are mentally unstable might use whatever aspect of disclosure to blow themselves up and wreak havoc - but I don't think that's going to be a common reaction.
I have a few very religious friends, including a couple who had long careers at DOD and NSA (one interacted with a former President on a daily basis). They've become more fundamentalist (aka wacko) in their views in recent years, and I've had to distance myself. But, we've had some conversations about UFOs, and they believe many of these sightings are angels and biblical manifestations and they welcome them. Although they're not all Catholic, this seems to align with how the Vatican views ETs (if those tales are to be believed).
I think this is especially going to be true if some of this can't be 'proved' with science (like the consciousness aspects). If you can't prove it's aliens from zeta reticuli, then the people with faith will believe it's a religious experience. This will not disrupt their worldview one bit, they will welcome this and claim they were right all along.
I see a great tendency to separate "angels" from "aliens". What if they're the same thing, meaning it was aliens all along. The angels from the Bible could have been aliens, and honestly, it makes sense to me.
Yeah if you're in the Bible and replace angel or Elohim ( hebrew expression that gets Mis translated is God)with nhi try for a lot of the stories they actually make more sense.
I think it maybe worse, and something nobody is familiar with.
It started way before this government, and the CEO's are surely long gone too. Who can you really hold accountable, and to be honest, is it really worth getting sidetracked by blame. Let's move on and see where we go.
I mean not really though...half the country thinks global warming is fake.. half tge country also thought covid was fake...didn't really see a massive uprising
I doubt that though. I expected people to be on streets for pdf file fiasco but people just don't care.
There is a pretty firm boundary that must be breeched for at least 99% of the human population for them to "care" about UFOs/NHI etc. If any "revelation" or "disclosure" does not change the demands on their daily lives, it will fail to breech that boundary. It has to significantly change something like the need for them to go to work (including transportation), pay the Visa bill, pay the mortgage, pay for food, education, healthcare, etc etc.
If it was proven beyond any doubt that the leaders of the US, China, and Russia were all bots, there would be major kerfuffles in all the press for a week, but the street reaction would basically be something like "I knew it!" followed immediately by "see you later, gotta go to work, don't forget to pay the Visa bill!".
Considering all the far out ideas out there, this is pretty tame in comparison. I'll be more than happy to forgive them if it meant using that tech to advance our society. Of course assuming the few in possession of this tech dont just exterminate the common folk to create their new world.
Well, at least with the abductions they do their best to try and make you forget. They probably don't have to do that and could just leave everyone traumatized, so this implies either the need to stay extremely hidden, or they are trying to be what they consider to be nice.
Getting a little unhinged here but might’ve just puffed the magic dragon.
Most people won’t care if it doesn’t happen to them. They can handle it if the mind can “other”. It’s not happening to me therefore they deserve it/better them than me/etc…
What most people couldn’t handle would be something like: Whenever you sleep, the gov/aliens/NHI whatever, displace your consciousness and use it for truly awful things. Loosh farming/traumatic sexual or abuse experiences/pilot another “body” (synthetic or another biological one) for hard labor or acts that are truly mind boggling (building things unsafely, torturing others, the mind can wander <no pun intended>).
And there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it.
As it is, has always been, and always shall be.
Seek Liberation! 😉
Religion, Hope, Yearning, Longing, Dreaming. All fruitless. All illusion.
Disturbing. Yes.
True. 🤷
I've noticed a few whistleblwers, when they approach this crux, they sort of start chanting "I support USA, it's the greatest country on earth" sort of thing.
If they know, that the US is complicit in A LOT OF NASTY SHIT, that's detrimental to not just US allies, but US Citizens.
The truth that's unfathomable to the guys who have spent their entire lives in the army, is that the army itself is a criminal organizational and that USA would be shunned by the world if it came to light.
Not just the US. Authority figures in general will face all scrutiny for not disclosing, being aware, or preparing. I mean if your husband, father, best friend of years, police chief, president/PM, etc… if these figures knew or were involved and said nothing, those who look to them for support will likely trust authority figures somehow even ever less.
There may likely be protests, and I think they know it’ll be at the current status quo’s feet. I can see how a manufactured NHI threat would be deployed to prevent that for a little longer.
If it turns out aliens just be tryna help us a lil and the rich are hoarding them imma be PISSED
They gave us tech to help us stop using oil.
The government made weapons instead
In a recent Area 52 episode, Chris Ramsay was reading the latest Reddit/4chan whistleblower stuff, and mentioned that we could have Utopian Space Communism (paraphrasing) but governments wanted Capitalism to beat Communism on the world stage and it reminds me of this joke “This is why we can’t have Star Trek” greed. It’s always greed.
It wasn’t space communism per se, there was allegedly a breakaway human civilization who had been living in an artificial garden of Eden with everything they would need provided by dispensers. Ostensibly the government thought that sounded too similar to communism during the red scare
I always thought maybe we could be in a world wide north korea
I've had the same thought many times. Also I think about the dimensions..like.. is eath actually round or could it be an extradimensional object? Is space actually empty or are we just not seeing that extra dimension..etc
Didnt brown imply we were left behind like the human race actually has all these cool gadgets and things and only certain groups are using them or like NHI considered this splinter of civilization operating over world governments as the true world government or something?
This would possibly dovetail with the concept of money and/or material/energy scarcity being entirely pointless when you can manufacture on an individual basis whatever you need from the universe around you.
It's hard to imagine a world where you communicate mentally with a 'maker' machine that can see to the entirety of your physical needs and creative expressions without the need to exchange goods or services for them.
This assumes a lot, I know.
Aliens have free source energy technology. Billionaires and those who want control kill over that.
The greys would like our sperm and eggs. They want to make hybrids with us. That’s the reason why people get abducted. Also they like to study us.
Reportedly some aliens trying to help and yeah some aliens working hand in hand with some powers that be.
Aliens living among us in human form would be quite dangerous.
Imagine the paranoia everyone would start feeling, the distrust, fear, I could imagine it would be crippling for some people.
Meh, I’d still be nice to them and be friends with them if they’re chill and fun to be around.
I come into close contact with quite a few people who are schizo or have other mental illnesses. One in particular who doesn't take their meds will often speak of seeing and hearing demons, others who distrust everyone already. I couldnt imagine millions feeling the same way and living on a hair trigger as some of these folks do.
This is the answer that I always come back to when I think about this question. It would undoubtably rip apart the fabric of our society.
Paranoid acts of violence would skyrocket. Whatever society-wide level of trust that still exists would be shattered overnight. Coups and revolutions would rock the planet after militaries and citizenries convince themselves that they’re ruled by “the others”. It could even lead to an apocalyptic nuclear exchange.
It’s information that would be best kept secret and tightly, tightly controlled.
If that's the case then I've come to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm all out of bubblegum.
I’ve thought about if we finally have open, live televised contact and the ships land and out step these blonde haired blue eyed Nordic types…. That will be very very bad for every type of human that doesn’t look like that.
Or very bad for anyone who does, because they might well come under assault for being an extraterrestrial.
Like Abba really then
SOS, indeed
That higher dimensional beings/lifeforms live in time as some sort of physical reality, and every second of your life is easily observable to all of them. So, no real privacy. Even more disturbing if your thought energy was also visible.
And when the physical part of our existence comes to end, we move to this higher dimension to spend our next phase living in the mirror of everything we've ever done, and maybe ever thought.
This is all a big psy-op from people channeling US tax dollars into the Pentagon -> to private contractors -> to private pockets.
Been happening for years and made many people very rich.
Yep. It's the coverup that they're most afraid of revealing.
Watergate…
…dialed up to eleven.
Yes, but according to Donald Keyhoe's book not only is it the economic machine but that UFOs are indeed very real.
Really like this answer.
That we, and our entire reality, are a byproduct of something happening at higher levels. A shadow, a projection, like light hitting a cave wall through a tiny hole.
That we are 100% a computer simulation, literally the sims, with all our actions and thoughts being controlled from outside, we have no free will.
Not that religions are false, but that they are very true. But we are not saved, we’re doomed, abandoned, or punished.
Some combination of the above: we’re an unintended byproduct of a massively complex computer simulation that fee of the higher beings are aware of and nobody cares about.
Or just the fact that yup theres aliens watching us. A lot of people fantasize about aliens, I think the actual reality might hit people harder than they expect.
These hypotheses all fit in to the idea that “it doesn’t change anything, it’s always been this way, but a lot of people might freak out”
Maybe we're an old simulation they are done playing with and moved on to a newer one.
We're in an alien tamagotchi sitting in the back of a closet and the batteries running low 🤣
that wouldn't be too bad.
Oblivion sounds preferable to eternal torment or some never ending cycle of death and rebirth and self perpetuating suffering
I doubt it. Most people wouldn’t be able to grasp the concept and would choose not to attempt to. They’d call it nonsense. Those who do believe still have to go to work on Monday.
This would give me a sense of inner peace I have never experienced
It has given me incredible peace. We have free will in how we react to what comes our way. The negative spin in the comment you’re replying to just isn’t accurate. Many in the UFO community are missing how deeply integrated ETs are into the spiritual fabric of everything. Understanding this is essential to having a comprehensive picture of the reality around ETs (or, as comprehensive as possible at this time)
Conventional wisdom is that everywhere we go -- every island and continent -- we've become masters of that domain, and one day we'll do the same to other planets. In the far future, maybe we'll even have dominion over the entire galaxy. It's a future of uncapped potential, and that makes us the early generation in a long-lived galactic dynasty.
But what if more advanced creatures are already here? That would make it their home, we're stepping into. What is our place, in such a world? The answer is not for us to decide, it's for them to decide. And that is terrifying.
At this point everything you said sounds like nothing because bro rent is still due
Its amusing that the gatekeepers know this disturbing truth yet they still go to work everyday at the Pentagon and do their shitty stuff…
If ontological shock was real, the gatekeepers themselves would suicide or something
I always thought this was the way. Studying what the very top executives at places like Raytheon and Lockheed are doing in their personal lives, same with high level military, CIA, Gov't, Department of Energy, etc. Of course I have no idea who any of the people are lol and would have no idea how to go about this, but I'm so curious if they are doing things to get ready for something.... like weird land purchases in the middle of nowhere, etc.
We may not know them or know a lot of details but we do know 1 thing they make sure to stay in there position of power keep working, they sure don’t have some positive awakening and go live happily ever after on adventures with there loved ones or anything lien that an we know they doing there best to stay alive an live a long life they still want money financial security an all that……. My take is the truth reveals that there is nothing after death this is just one go so make the best of it an do whatever it takes there is no heaven no hell no afterlife would explain why they are so willing to do disgusting things no karma ……This would send the world crazy knowing for sure this is it people would not want there 1 shot at life to be so boring an hard with no hell or heaven all bets are off
When anyone says that I just assume they don't know the answer. I really don't think there's much evidence for anyone to make a judgement call like this. Sure its possible that there's something horrifying but I don't think there is.
Its my opinion that all the evidence we have amounts to a bunch of dots like a connect the dots drawing but without the numbers or page numbers. Then you add in the possibility of the government lying about it that makes it even more confusing.
It’s no different than writing “there be dragons here” on a map because you were too scared to go document it
Yea. It feels like a macguffin. Some made up narrative to justify hiding what people don’t actually know.
Lue Elizondo hides behind this narrative all the time. I don’t think he actually knows anything more than any of us.
I agree lots of little pieces perhaps that aren’t well explored but if some of it points to government lies, malfeasance, murder, etc. I might not be trying to be the tallest poppy out there either. I can believe some of those dudes like him and Grusch probably did get serious threats and people in power certainly continue having the means to follow through. I think the sombering part isn’t the NHI woo but probably the severity the US govt went to hide and manipulate. Time to riot when it all comes out.
Yeah I think people here are way overthinking this. Connecting the dots from UAPs to "aliens harvesting souls" is a massive leap. The unsettling thing is the dots themselves. The population in a forum like this is not the same as the wider population. A lot of people (though a minority I believe) really couldn't handle proof of aliens, and many more (the majority) would be very uncomfortable with the thought. Most people are not immersed in this stuff. They think about movies like Alien, Predator, Independence Day. ET is a feel-good kids movie, not the likely scenario in their opinions. As much as I would love this unsettling information to describe the origin of humanity, I don't think it's going nearly that deep.
I think the human desire for significance and meaning are so strong that if these were to be rendered inconsequential, it would be a very disturbing truth, more so than space farming or something nefarious. Humans tend to rally against perceived common enemies, even if the odds suck. Finding out ET is here because of some cosmic convenience, and we’re just an easily managed nuisance like temperature in a car, would be an existential bummer.
Interesting comment, and I tend to agree. The human tendency to believe we're at the centre of the universe and the highest form of intelligent life would be blown apart.
But maybe that's what we need to progress as a species and raise our collective consciousness? I'm not saying it would be easy, but the notion that we're just a small part in a much bigger cosmic puzzle might bring us some much needed humility.
I’m cool with it, I already believe it, easily. Why can’t everyone else be cool with it?
Some combination of any of these:
-they extract/harvest something from our consciousness/souls.
-we are reincarnated here and live life on a ‘prison planet’
-there is a higher or different ‘plane’ of reality and this some kind of contrived reality or simulation.
-abductions are real and the government is powerless to stop them.
-NHI created us or manipulated our genetics to invoke our consciousness.
-Our physical brain is not the source of consciousness, but they have no idea how it works.
-our planet is the ‘property’ of some other species.
-other beings are constantly around us in another dimension, but we can’t perceive them.
-we are an experiment that someone wants to end.
Sums all the possibilities up nicely. I'd add in something about time being non linear.
More likely it is a lie to keep the rich and powerful at the top.
People can handle a lot and the prospect that a peasant farmer in a developing country reacting the same way as a middle class westerner is next to zero.
After hearing bit about “ontological shock” over and over and over…well, it’s getting a bit tired.
Although I think most of the recent, formerly-taxpayer-funded, whistleblowers are part of a highly controlled release - I think the most recent Jim Semivan interview is probably somewhat true:
Basically: we don’t know what the fuck is going on. We’ve encountered non human intelligence and their technology, but we don’t know what they are exactly, and we have no idea of their intentions.
We don’t know how much influence they exercise over the human population, we don’t know if they’re living among us and in what quantities.
Basically we don’t know jack shit, aside from the fact that we’re at the mercy of this undefinable force. At the mercy, how? Again, we don’t know.
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In my opinion it’s either that, or related The Adam and Eve Story/Tesla and The Pyramids: AKA a global cataclysm is coming, and for the puppet masters of the world, notifying the public not only threatens the power structure - but also their chance to escape and survive whatever’s coming. Whether that be underground, or to Mars - if people knew they were planning to abandon this iteration of society to start a new, their bunker or spacecraft would not survive public anger.
They probably actually can’t build a bunker or refuge to save all 8+ billion of us, and nor do they want to. True HG Wells Morlock and Eloi type shit.
I believe this might be the issue. The Pentagon has been failing audits by trillions for the past two decades not because they have terrible record keeping, but because they are engineering vast city complexes beneath the ground. I think they know that the poles reset periodically and there's fuckall we can do about it other than to dig in.
I have a memory of a brief statement made by Comer or someone coming out of a SCIF meeting a couple years ago saying essentially, "So my grandkids are just going to have to take it, and there's nothing we can do about it?" It was an incredible statement suggesting an impending apocalypse, but I can't find it now.
I really hate these theories so I try not to put much thought into them, but something that bugs me is that one of the dudes I heard talk about this has mentioned that Greenland was be one of the “safe areas” and now the US gov has an interest in Greenland.
If coincidence, why conspiracy shaped?
“Ontological Shock” would be a cool name for a prog-rock band.
That we aren’t rooted to any one “container.”
Emotions and memories are stored in the physical body, our consciousness moves to new containers within lifetimes, perhaps cycling through many, forward and backward at any time. When death occurs, that container is removed.
We have no physical identity that is our own, it only feels that we are in “this body” because we experience the memories stored there.
There is no “other consciousness” as in “other people”. There is only one consciousness experiencing countless lives simultaneously.
This knowledge would be very difficult for most people who strongly identify with the physical realm or as an individual identity. I can see something like this causing ontological shock for about 90% of the population if introduced globally.
That reality is more complex and layered than western society likes to believe.
That we’re not in control. That’s what panics the military. They’re used to thinking they are in charge, that the world is theirs to run, that their word is very very important. In reality we are not in control and never were.
There are entities that can manipulate us, appear to be other things, come in to our homes and take us on research excursions and we don’t know how or why and we can’t stop them.
What’s for lunch tomorrow? How’s work?
Honestly there’s enough these days out there to reboot X-Files and have tons of people watching it. I mean you wouldn’t even have to try very hard, there’s so much “close to the truth, but far enough for entertainment” type of info, it would actually get people wondering “holy smokes, what if all of this really was tied together, what if this is a layer of the world working in a way we never truly understood, or why this aspect is the way it is?”
The world was ending in the near future That’s why billionaires don’t care about our planet and Musk is trying to go to Mars
That we were offered zero point energy and our government has been hiding it for 70 years.
Reality not being what we think it is, but a projection/simulation. Possibly with the implication that free will is an illusion, too.
As i3atlas passed the earth on it's way to the outer solar system, I wondered if it really was a technological object but wasn't interested in us or that for some other reason we missed the one chance to contact alien life within the lifetime of our species.
Put another way, insignificance would be more disturbing than hostility
We are bioengineered and being farmed.
I'm sorry, as someone not quite "in the know", I gotta ask: how exactly are we being farmed?
Not trying to be a dick here, genuinely curious about this.
I was just answering the hypothetical of "what would be too disturbing to digest" and this would be it, but its definitely a very fringe theory even for this speculative field. Its more in line with the Zoo Hypothesis or farming consciousness.
What if a section of our brains are used for a distributed supercomputer they are running. Maybe dreams are that working. The more humans that exist, the more compute they have. So they are working to maximize human reproduction. Farming compute, not food.
Maybe the crops have not come to full yield yet. Maybe it’s only efficient to harvest the meat once the flock has reached a specific number. When earth’s population reaches a certain number they come down, slaughter us all in some terrible fashion, and bring the steaks to market.
Perhaps all the terrible things on earth are actually designed to stop this number from being reached. All forms of death are designed to hold the earths population under this specific threshold. Wars, plagues, poverty, etc. All designed to keep the earth’s population below the useful harvest population?
Perhaps this is the “deal” people talk about with the benevolent NHI? They give “us” ways to keep our population numbers in check, they just happen to be horrendous. Population calculations show we would reach harvest threshold in 30 years? Simply release a catastrophic plague on humanity or create a devastating world war.
Then they treat us a lot better as we treat our animals.
The “disturbing truth” is that the government has no power to stop NHI from interfering with us. I don’t think NHI is here to destroy us or even milk us dry of whatever resource they may covet. But the govt doesn’t want us to know that the idea of government as big daddy protector is BS - when we realize that govt is a scam, then they lose their power to control us.
A couple of thoughts...
Either:
We live on a prison planet. Maybe a purgatory, of sorts. That being said, free will exists, and the free will of a few can outweigh the many. Leading to the extreme levels of poverty and wealth disparities we see. There could be a few families that use their free will to make the majority of decisions about how the planet is run. And higher life forms are letting them do this to, again, giving them the free will to do it while the rest of us suffer, even if it is wrong.
Or, we chose, as a species, to do a reset at some point in the past. We lost technology that was once far superior to what we have now and are having to relearn or remember how to do things, and it is taking thousands of years to do so.
That we are soul cattle.
Or that they have souls and we don’t.
This one sent a shiver down my spine.
I think anyone who follows the topic even semi closely like those in this sub would be relatively unfazed. We WANT to hear it, whatever it is. We crave it.
But the normie just living their life, going to work, attending church, going to their kids games, whatever? That person may not be able to handle it. Whatever “it” is.
My best guess isn’t any of the wild speculations we see. I think the imagination makes things wilder than they are.
I think it’s probably more along the lines of - we were genetically engineered, meaning no creator God for humanity, which would upend world religions and institutions. Maybe add that our creators have never truly left and are hiding in the oceans, and have been gently guiding our history. And also that unlimited energy is available, thus upending the entire world economy and society.
That last paragraph sounds downright vanilla compared to some things that are regularly proposed. And again, to those of us who want to know, this would all be old hat. But imagine the average person who isn’t paying attention. They just found out there is no God (at least, not in the sense they thought), the history they’ve been taught is all a sham, and they’ve been held down as a wage slave to prop up the ultra wealthy when we had free energy all along. Sounds like ontological shock to me.
The only way I can rationalize the batshit way that people make this claim is that they don’t actually know what it is but they know it’s bad because they have a glimpse into the consequence of sharing it. I think of it as they have written down one piece of the puzzle which has solid and deep evidence but can’t be disclosed because if it was there would be some kind of MIB-like reset of either that person or all of humanity (or something in between). Maybe there’s a catalog of these “leak” events and their aftermaths somewhere that is a heavily guarded government secret that no one can look at without facing a huge ethical conundrum ultimately leading to insanity. It’s a completely unprovable theory that gives potential grifters too much intellectual credit but it’s sobering to think about.
That nothing, any of this, is real... we're just atoms bunched together flying through the cosmos on a large rock
There is some consciousness field that is experiencing through us, none of what we're doing matters and this is the indigestible truth... nothing matters
The truth is that earth is a petri dish and we are the lab rats. That is why so many abductions include reports of medical procedures.
They all know and seem fine, so I have to assume it’s Fearmongering BS and a carrot to keep our attention.
Fear sells and every time someone says “the truth about aliens is so horrifying we can’t handle it,” they want you to buy their book.
The issue is whatever truth there is would explain a lot pertaining to the Big Question, and that would uproot everything we know.
If the truth is something horribly awful and is absolutely proven, society would descend into reckless hedonism. If the truth is something amazing and beautiful everyone would kill themselves to get there faster. Either way, telling the masses is probably not the right move.
Its 100% fake and it shows how easily manipulated certain groups are. MK Ultra for the masses.
No no no, its a truth RICH people cant handle. The rest of us arent obssessed with our own status and 'specialness' quite like they are.
We are inconsequential. Thats the shock. We dont matter and in the grand scheme of things we never ever will. Never. We think our planet is profoundly beautiful and unique but it isnt even considered one of the 'good' ones. Frankly, we've made a dump of the place.
The other shock is we are stupid. Like really really stupid. Our tech impresses none of the important species and our attitudes are toxic despite being shown the way to peace over and over again. We learn slowly and painfully.
Thats the shock. We are the ants and we'd best hope we dont become inconvenient.
One thing I’ve never understood is how a certain select group of people would have been told the truth. The aliens at some point told certain members of our military, “By the way, you are all sims and once you die that is it?” Why would the aliens tell anyone this?
Out of all the crazy conspiracy theories that I’ve heard, I think that the most disturbing thing for most people would be finding out that we live in a simulation of some sort. Whether that’s in the form of “ISBEs” (immortal spiritual beings) being trapped and recycled through biological bodies or something more along the lines of a computer simulation, I think that a revelation such as these would cause the masses to question their very existence more than any other conspiracy I’ve heard.
Just to add; I think that the word ‘conspiracy’ is gaining a lot more credibility than it has seen in the past. I have a sinking feeling that of all the conspiracies I’ve heard, at least one of them has to be partially true. I feel that many share this sentiment.
A pure guess, but when we die we actually go to a different ’realm’ that is worse than here?
Yay, more open ended bullshit guessing.
Here is mine. We all being played as the viral kickstarter people for a Spielberg marketing push.
100% fear mongering.
"It will reshape the structures of power, and we'll stop being your bosses, so surely that's disturbing"
Bunch of crap condescending weak minded idiots who just happened to stumble across the phenomenon and rationalise their selfishness. They just want it for themselves. To feel special and for power.
Period.
They can all fuck the fuck off. The unnamed ones, the whistleblowers who still work for the Pentagon, the journalists making bombastic claims that never come true, the youtubers BREAKING NEWS each week...
I truly despise them all. Sorry about the rant.
The implication that there are several levels of NHI higher than us, and some of them are indifferent to us in the same way we are indifferent to cows. And knowing that we have no power against them. I would predict a significant portion (total guess, but 10%?) of humans just offing themselves before being experimented on, consumed, or disposed of on a whim.
Something that would be very uncomfortable for people would be if we were preyed upon by other beings, and our governments have agreements for technology in exchange for being left alone mostly by giving yearly quotas of abductees. They could also enjoy our suffering and misery, and be why we have so much war and fighting-they feed on it. And when we die, they wait around like seagulls at the beach when tortoise babies hatch to consume our spiritual consciousness. Those that make it past them are either reincarnated back on this planet of misery doomed for another round, or are lucky and escape into the wider universe but still vulnerable to other beings out there.
We are in a ‘big hungry ocean’ and don’t realize it because we live on solid land, forgetting the planet itself is potentially in a large dark ‘ocean’ with myriad entities of different scales. Our feeling of safety would disappear, knowing that we could be surrounded at any time by the equivalent of spiritual vultures. Closing a door, being inside, none of it matters since it doesn’t actually close the ‘doors’ that matter.
That we are anchored in our bodies, and our consciousness is locked in until we either die or transcend somehow beyond this dimension / layer of existence. What religions have taught all along, save for the truth that we are not the “chosen” unique ones.. but are like a single cell in a universal organism.
The disturbing truth:
-Causing suffering to other animals and each other
-permitting wealth inequality
-not having a one-world government
-allowing contaminants such as plastic, heavy metals, and toxic chemicals into the environment
-destroying ecosystems
All make us ineligible to join the galactic community.
This is the ontological shock. Not some super sci-fi unbelievable "we are being farmed" or "they are feeding off of our suffering" or "a giant asteroid is going to hit us and there's nothing we can do so they don't bother talking to us".
It's simply every economic, political, industrial system we have would need to be completely torn down and rebuilt from the ground up to meet their requirements.
If there is other intelligent life out there they've probably gone through most of these themselves at some point in their history. It would be nice to have an example to point to that proves that these problems can be overcome.
They probably want to give us examples and technology to do it but as a whole all of our world leaders said, "no thank you the elites wouldn't like that".
Guys are getting a third, equally pointless, nipple.
In the middle of their forehead.
Personally, I’m prepared to handle anything they disclose. I don’t really give a shit. Life goes on.
The “disturbing” truth is that we are cattle to “the others”.
That we are the aliens 👽
Errr, I'm here to believe but don't. There are no aliens visiting us and as such there is no truth to reveal except exceptional ignorance and stupidity. IMHO.
I genuinely belive the truth is that religion is supernatural mumbo jumbo (all of it) and that it's impossible to circumvent scientific truths that limiting constraints such as speed of light meaning that whilst we're not alone, nobody has visited us because they can't.
The truth is that the powers that B use these facts against us and control us.
It's as simple as that. It explains EVERYTHING perfectly.
We are the dumbest self-aware species in the galaxy, and UFOs are filming us and we appear in Universal funniest videos like streaming.
I think it would be a lot more disturbing if religions were proven than disproven, hearing eternal hell is real could shake things up
Most humans can't accept that they die and everyone they know will die and ya know...that one should be the easiest truth since its one of the assurances we all have.
Can hardly imagine deeper truths
For me, it’s that the earth is exceptionally rare in geo and biodiversity and that we cannot be trusted to govern it without destroying it.
Then why aren’t they doing anything?
I’m quite sure the truth is that our suffering is manufactured by the greed of the 0.001%. We could have limitless clean energy and much longer lifespan already. This is what they want to hide.
There are no chosen people by God. The people in the tiny piece of land above Egypt will all have a conniption.
Crete?
The truth is digestible, as long as you consume the truth slowly. I compare disclosure to a steak. If you try to eat the whole steak in one bite, you won't be able to swallow it. But if you cut the steak into bite size pieces and slowly eat through it, then it is digestible.
Don’t tell me I can’t eat a whole steak in one bite
I think most religious population couldn't handle the fact thsr we are not an especial, chosen by God race. That extraterrestrial exist would put a lot of people at odds with their concept of reality. People put their faith on a lot of things to avoid personal responsability. A lot of people use religion to avoid linking actions and consequences. Others just blame the devil for all their problems. If disclosure happens, especially catastrophic disclosure, the whole religious control operation would collapse, along with the sanity of many.