I posted about it once where I mentioned where my understanding currently is regarding that topic and it got removed.
But then I see posts about YEC being wrong and not being removed, at least not in the day it was posted.
I posted about it once where I mentioned where my understanding currently is regarding that topic and it got removed.
But then I see posts about YEC being wrong and not being removed, at least not in the day it was posted.
I have no idea - It doesn't break the nicene creed and it's not liberal theology. I would hope we can have honest discussions.
But I'll say this... Reddit is not the place for these and for theological discussions. You're not really going to change anyone's mind. People come to post what they think, and usually thats' YOU"RE WRONG / I"M RIGHT.
Honestly, the older I get, the less I can put up with this.
Endless meaningless discussions that are here today, gone tomorrow, and - tomorrow someone posts the same question and it goes a complete different way because of who is online at the time.
meaningless. meaningless.
This. Even though this is as “True Christian” sub, it is still ultimately beholden more to the rules of Reddit than to the Truth of God’s word.
A seed is never meaningless and the place it is planted matters, but it is God who grows it. In speaking the truth I may not see the impact but I know if what I speak is true, it will impact. Its why even "believers" and believers on here when I corrected them blocked me and more, with accusations like," you are being arrogant" and etc. While others in private and public are like," God Bless." and etc.
Because as the evidence proves by God's own mouth saying it in the bible and His Spirit in our lives, The truth is truth and it makes an impact.
So its never a waste. For example, even us speaking truth will be used as testimony against people in Judgement Day. That counts for something. But also, our words will impact billions who see us raptured and get left behind. They will see the Tribulation and more, and with these revivals too they will see.
Nothing is ever in vain.
With the way a lot of users on this respond to posts involving OEC, I thought it already crosses into liberal theology.
If somebody says it crosses into liberal theology, they have a very narrow understanding of the Bible.
Not saying what I believe, but i acknowledge there are many acceptable beliefs
Someone can believe in an old earth and believe humans were still created 6,000 years ago. Believing Old earth doesn't require someone to believe Darwinian evolution Some believe there's a gap in time between Genesis 1:1, Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 1:3
None of this impacts who God is, What he did in the Bible, or Christ's life, death and ressurection.
Is accepting Darwinian evolution acceptable?
I'm not God, I cannot tell you how God did it. Neither can anyone in this sub.
My guess would be probably not, at least not according to the world's understanding of it, as it's a survival of the fittest kind of deal which contradicts scripture.
Theistic evolution on the other hand, has a decent arguement and doesn't actually contradict scripture, so that's generally fine around here. Technically, your view is really just a form of theistic evolution anyway.
Expect to be downvoted for any view except YEC though...
Theistic evolution?
Theistic evolution is accepting Evolution but saying that God must have been involved somehow.
And Theistic Evolution still accepts human evolution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
The variants I've seen espoused by Christians here on Reddit are either "God set it in motion and watched" or "God intervened in the case of people specifically at some late date".
I think an answer to your question in that context is yes either way.
Does this make sense to you? https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAChristian/s/7OEUkrGSaF
Amen.
I'm an old earth creationist. I'm curious to hear your questions.
(If ever a post is removed, I would suggest that you politely ask the moderator to clarify the reason. Just be sure they know you aren't trying to argue, but to understand what was wrong with the post. Generally if your are polite they will be happy to help).
I'm guessing the post came across as spreading your doctrine. But idk, since I didn't see the post.
I am, too. In a recent post on evolution I said "In the beginning God created evolution." Somebody replied, and they go ta reply telling them I was being sarcastic. I wasn't lol
evolution & creationism are different viewpoints. They are not compatible because evolution is based on common ancestry. Creationism states that God created each kind of creature to reproduce its own kind. That's probably why they thought you were being sarcastic.
But even in purely materialistic evolutionary terms, living things always produce their own kind.
It’s just that the “kind” itself slowly shifts as those who are born with beneficial variants that are better able to survive become dominant within that species.
In my mind, evolution is a grand and intricate design which points to the same creator that made the physics that govern the stars and the atoms. Eons of time and causality itself are the brush and paint of who and what we are, and that should make us wonder and glory at creation more, not less.
you're talking about adaption though. That's a different idea than common ancestry. Adaptation & natural selection are the only parts that have any scientific proof.
You have to be careful how you go into evolution, because the other part of it is abiogenesis. Meaning living cells can spontaneously arise from non living matter.
The creation story itself depicts abiogenesis in the sense that it talks about man being created "from the dust of the ground." It is not clear at all to me that it matters if it happened in a moment or over 6 billion years.
The thing at actual issue, is if there is will behind it all. I believe there is. I also believe that our true, spirit lead, cognition and observations about the world are never incompatible with the recognition of our creator as their source.
I can know everything about the way that the planets form, or the way that a baby is grown in the womb. They are, never the less, still miracles. Gods work is not diminished by understanding its mechanisms.
you make very well reasoned points. I agree generally with the way you are thinking. But as you pointed out, God made man from the dust of the ground. Imo He didn't make man by creating animals then evolving them into man.
Going that far back in time it's not possible to know for sure one way or the other. So we are all just guessing based on what information is most important to us. The evolutionary chain of common ancestry makes no sense to me. And I've not seen any evidence compelling enough to change my mind.
I am glad to hear you are keeping God as the first cause & that you believe in Intelligent Design. Getting our origin wrong doesn't affect our daily experience with Jesus today. I would put it in the non-essential bin.
But I've also seen a lot of shallow Christians accept evolution & just a few short years later they are denying their faith completely. Evolutionist teaching from atheist professors has caused a great many young Christians to leave their faith. I'm so grateful that's not you.
I’m also OEC. I just want to my stance to be challenged and I also want to know if there are any verses that would be in conflict with some things that I believe in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAChristian/s/7OEUkrGSaF
Hey, I gave brief comment. I'm pretty tired but I can dig more into this next time I am online. God bless.
There’s no prohibition against posting about OEC or YEC in this sub. A plurality of views can be defended without necessarily delving into the realm of liberal theology.
I’m also not sure which post you say was removed here, as I don’t see it when I check the moderation history for your account, so I can’t speak as to why it would have been removed.
I posted it about 2 months ago on a different device and a different account,
This post,
Re: Inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible
Does considering the Creation story as non-literal go against that principle? How about the Ark and the Flood?
I’ve been a Christian for 9 years, practicing and deeply involved in the ministry but never thought to ask a leader or a pastor about this lol
I just came to the conclusion that maybe the Adam and Eve story isn’t meant to be taken as a historical event which gives for evolution to fit in the narrative.
I don’t think you have to adhere to a woodenly literal understanding of the Genesis narrative to be a Christian and I don’t think it’s an inherently liberal take to do so either.
Gotcha.
was just wondering why it got removed
OEC has the adavantage of being at least physically possible.
young earth creationism best earth creationism
Sorry, when you say your theological beliefs are best, well, that's pride.
I have my theological persuasion, but I'm old enough to know, I'm probably wrong.
God is bigger than me. In not smart enough to know everything, and he certainly didn't give me all the details of how he did it.
Big facts!
I love Kent Hovind and Answers in Genesis.
Creation Seminar Series Kent Hovind https://dr-dino.myshopify.com/collections/all-dvds/products/copy-of-css-complete-set-dr-hovinds-award-winning-creation-seminar-series
Dragons: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f_U_9xwBk&feature=youtu.be
Do you have questions?
Quite a bit.
I would require me to post my stance tho
I mean, I'm sure you're welcome to post them. Or if you like, you can ask me and I'll try to help if you'd rather do it one on one.
Do such posts get removed?
What if I think Adam and eve weren't the first humans?
I mean, mine did.
Because someone could correct then is one reason
Sorry, I’m confused with this answer.
About the wrong earth creations being wrong
Is this in response to why some OEC posts don’t get removed right off the bat.
Mine got removed in less than 10 minutes lol
Well, there is one point that it isn't true and biblical
OEC?
Can you elaborate?
Based on my understanding of OEC so far, it doesn’t violate biblical inerrancy and infallibility and doesn’t require the dismissal of a literal Adam and Eve
Ok Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Even the Sabbath holds to literal view of a far as well
Gensis 1 And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Gensis 2
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 And [a]on the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created [b]in making it.
If you continue, chapter 2 uses the word "day" to describe the entire creation. This word is not a set amount of time, but rather an era like "I remember the day when...".
I have a rather unorthodox view of these things. I believe that all things are created spiritually before being created physically. The breath of life given to Adam was his pre-created, eternal spirit and the creative periods in Genesis 1 were at least mostly, the spiritual creation. After it was completed, Genesis 2 continues with this:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (or elements of the earth), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (or his pre-created spirit); and man became a living soul.
Note that death is simply the separation of our eternal spirit from our mortal body that returns to the dust or elements from which it came.
I read your post. I am not opposed to OEC, but I think the time between Adam and us is the approx 6000 years from the Bible's genealogy. I think there could have been earlier human civilizations. God was not impressed with them, so, he created a special pair of humans in a special place and gave us a new start. This explains who Cain was afraid of and where the wives came from. Only the descendants of Adam survived the flood, so there is no problem with original sin.
I don't think there could have been earlier civilizations. Jesus says in Matthew 19:4 "“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,"
And Paul later refers to Adam as the first man. 1 Corinthians 15:45 "So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”
Genesis 3:20 also says that Eve is the mother of all the living.
The common theory that I hear is that Adam and Eve had many children, after all God told them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and they intermarried. It appears to me that Cain had his wife before he was driven out, it makes no mention of meeting her afterwards anyway. It's conceivable to me that Adam and Eve had unnamed daughters that Cain and Abel married and had children with, and those had children and so forth. By the time Cain killed Abel there could have been plenty of others about. It tells us about Cain later having a son Enoch, but it doesn't say it was his first child.
We are told Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters, but other than Seth we are given no details about how many, or when they were born or the like. And we are given no detail on their children and so on. It seems we are only provided specifics when and where a family line is important.
I appreciate your comments, I would have said the same thing a year ago. But there is so much ancient civilization evidence out there that defies the 6000 year timeline. Megalithic sites that are impossible to explain within the Biblical narrative. Or by our understanding of physics.
All three of the scripture examples you used can be explained as pertaining to the current line of humans. The former being destroyed long ago. The two creation accounts in Genesis, are similar but not identical. I am undecided but interested in the topic.