So I've not been on this subreddit for that long but I've been seeing multiple posts about socialism AI - and I was wondering why people use it?
I havent looked too much into it I will admit but from what I've gathered and what I know of AI, wouldnt it have just the same flaws of any other AI - just an amalgamation of what it gathers from texts written by socialists, without any discernment and a tendency for a bias towards certain organisations and tendencies when talking about certain topics? Also what about the risk of misinformation?
I was just wondering if there is any special benefit to it or something
I'd suggest reading their own words on it
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/12/gpid-d12.html
Yea nobody actually uses it, the SEP just use it as propaganda
That's right, no workers use it. It serves no purpose whatever in organizing and educating the working class.
Edit: /s
https://youtube.com/shorts/DYx1eKMNrfo?si=0I0XkO2Mc6CIVuXN
Okay so basically its kind of like... Entertainment? Like it has no real use in building up socialist forces is what you're saying?
I was being sarcastic, No, this is a light-years leap in the fight for socialist conciseness in the working class.
Ooh ok lol
lmao buddy you're delusional. Take off the sect goggles for a minute.
Correct
some orgs take an antagonistic or aloof view of the working class in order to justify how few connections they have forged or kept healthy, and extremely online behavior like this is the result.
WIld to say this about the group that has been building rank and file committees and making major interventions into strikes and contract disputes. This type of nonsense is the same drivel that people like the Sparts threw at the ICFI back in the 90s when they became the first organization to switch from newspapers to online media as they insisted the internet was just a gimmick that would hamper real world organizing and isolate them. Flashforward a quater century and WSWS laps every other group's readership which has only deepened and expanded their connections with the working class and their struggles. This is just the redux of those events
We all do this. We're Marxists.
All those readers and yet still completely irrelevant to the wider movement.
not just irrelevant, unheard of
Correct, socialism AI is heavily flawed and riddled with the concerning issues you've mentioned in the post, it's a propaganda tool for the World Socialist Website (WSWS), its affiliated party (SEP) and its international (ICFI). Because of that Socialism AI will hold stances that from a Marxist view are completely false but are still the official line of the WSWS (such as their claim that Trump is a fascist).
The WSWS people have been flooding this subreddit with posts about Socialism AI in an attempt to promote its use and make it seem like a legitimate alternative to learning theory in any sort of way but no one outside the WSWS are interested in what they have to say.
I mean Trump pretty neatly fits into the definition of a fascist. I don't know why you would assert it's a false claim.
A fascist is someone who uses direct violent action, such as paramilitaries of armed men or state power to (and I reiterate) VIOLENTLY attack working class organizations, literally beating those that operate within them to death. This year, during Trump's presidency 500 of my comrades in the RCA, marched through the streets of Philadelphia, with banners and flags, hammer and sickle on proud display and shouted, among others, the slogan: "No war but the class war!" If Trump was a fascist, they simply would not be able to do that, their work would have had to go underground back in 2016 when he got elected the first time around. If Trump was a fascist, he wouldn't invite Mamdani to the white house, he'd arrest him.
So as long as hitler let one or 2 of the French resistance fighters go, he wouldn't be a fascist. Cool, I love extremely rigid definitions. What is he then? What ideology perfectly fits him?
Fuckin stupid lol the world is not black and white, idk why so many people need to hear that
2 hypothetical French resistance fighters during WW2 = 500 real communists marching in broad daylight through the streets of Philadelphia
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Honestly what the fuck is this comparison supposed to be? Weren't all resistance fighters that got captured, killed, turned or put in concentration camps? It's crazy you'd pull out this hypothetical that you describe in terms that imply it didn't happen to create a "What if?" argument that's supposed to prove me wrong.
Trump is a right wing populist, he's on the right wing and enjoys the support of a large populist movement that think of him as an outsider in politics, but in reality he's nothing more than a slightly more rude and obnoxious member of the bourgeoisie. To clump everyone you don't like under the banner of fascism without any concrete analysis of what that actually means does nothing but remove any meaning the term holds and push non-fascists closer towards actual fascists since you're grouping them together.
The purpose of hypothetical questions is to probe the edges of an argument. Thats what I'm doing: dont clutch your pearls.
Fascism is fascism. It is an ideology that people either prescribe to (but may not believe in all of it, for example the non-racist republicans) or they embody aspects of the ideology (and may not actually consider themselves part of it. For example, modern lower class people hating both the rich and socialism).
The point of my hypothetical was to point out how you're doing exactly what you're claiming other are: removing any meaning of the word fascism. If it has an extremely rigid definition, whats the point? Ok, hitler was a fascist. Why wouldn't we just call him "a hitler" if nobody else perfectly encapsulates a fascist? Why invent a word for no reason?
Also the pushing non-fascists: this is also wrong for the same reason. Calling someone a nazi doesnt MAKE them racist. Racism is an ideal, a position. Calling someone a name can not give them an idea.
Likewise, there's lots who say "I guess if you think im a nazi, then im a proud nazi!" This falls under the same thing: these people already held all the ideals nessisary. They just hadn't made the link themselves. OR they arent actually a nazi, which just means they're a dumbass saying cringe shit for no reason 🤷‍♂️
The problem is not with people misusing the word fascism, its in people gatekeeping the word behind whatever their personal definition of the ideology is.
Alright, let's probe the hypothetical question if you insist on it, would Hitler releasing 2 French resistance fighters mean he isn't a fascist?
That question can only be answered by another question, how many concentration camps are left standing, how many communists and social democrats have already been murdered by the regime, how many political prisoners of the working class is he holding and would he release those as well, fascism is systemic and there is no exception that undoes the collective actions.
Now, writing this I can already feel your smug grin and you tipping your fedora to be prepared to write the best gotcha reply ever made but let me stop you right there. In before you use this example to say that Trump not breaking up the RCA congress is just such an exception I need to check, what has Trump actually done otherwise that would make the RCA such an exception? Trump hasn't used violent state repression or even fascist paramilitaries to crack down on any sort of working class organization at all, and no, random acts of terror (yes you can call it terror) being unleashed on people who might be immigrants is not attacks on the organized working class because immigrants are not the same thing as organizations.
Nah, I've made my point. Your rigid definition is purely based on your own subjective opinion, and personally, I think you're very egotistical
But because I can't avoid engaging 🤣:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/exclusions-from-federal-labor-management-relations-programs/
Right so I need some clarification from you here, where is the VIOLENT crackdown (key word being violent)?
Also: The WSWS argument strategy, just go "Nuh uh, nuh uh" until your adversary (who is actually providing anything concrete to the argument) gives up.
Why does it have to be violent? And what constitutes violence?
Your providing your definitions and then getting mad that I don't agree, then demanding that I show you how trump fits YOUR definition lol
Edit: I had to look up the WSWS, idk what your beef is dude. You are not the moral arbiter of what words mean lol and I highly doubt your an authority on the subject. Calm down and consider your ego.
What do you call ICE and his attempted national guard deployments except a violent attack on working class organizations? Dissolving federal unions? Requesting guards shoot at protestors?
Trump is 100% a fascist. The people aren't being directly beat down because he hasn't finished taking over the government yet- the institutions are still too solid to actually take that step.
A fascist is still a fascist, even if they don't yet have enough control over the country to actually enact 100% of their policy.
Saying "trump isn't a fascist because he hasn't violently attacked workers" would be like saying "Rosa Luxembourg isn't a socialist because she never seized the means of production."
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Yeah many leftist spaces don't like the RCI because we're clear and outspoken about what actually needs to be done, many want to just avoid the subject of clear and concise class struggle while they mostly only stand for a general/muddled "let's make sure good things happen" attitude. But pointless RCA bashing that adds nothing to the conversation aside, this would have been the perfect moment for the "fascist" government to crack down on a large number of communists attending the RCAs congress in Philadelphia, any fascist government would have jumped at the chance.
ICE has been making huge strides recently, but the only thing ICE are doing is random acts of terror at best. They go around, not identifying themselves, kidnapping and beating random people, they aren't by any means targeting working class organizations in doing so, fascism is largely defined by its direct opposition of the interests of the working class as a while through violent means, attacking immigrants picked at random is bad but it's not violence backed by a fascist government (if it was fascism they'd be way more likely to use a secret police like the FBI or CIA who could do the work more discreetly, rather than rowdy untrained lunatics in masks). And if you want to look at ICE then you need to do so for its entire existence. The powers ICE hold and exercise today are powers given to them by Obama, both the democrats and pre-Trump republicans have routinely voted to increase the ICE budget, the democrats even broke continuous records under the Biden administration by voting for the biggest ICE budget in history, three years in a row. ICE is doing the exact same thing now that they were doing before Trump, the only difference is that Trump increased the number of ICE agents.
Wow, you're a trip. Now I remember why I avoid you people. 🙄
whats the definition of a fascist?
1) Trump is a fascist, just because RCI is burying its head in the sand about that fact because it would make them denying 1/6 was an attempted coup look even worse than it already does doesn't change that fact
2) nowhere have they claimed that Socialism AI is a replacement for reading theory, if anything it exists to direct people unfamiliar with Marxism to theory
3) outside of dogmatic psuedos it has been pretty well recieved
The idea that a chatbot is a major step for the class struggle is absurd. It's just an attempt to drive up WSWS traffic, distract from their lack of any real world organizing, and give North something to point to as an accomplishment to rally his troops. They've written almost nothing about the implications of AI for the working class. North’s philistine insistence on calling AI “augmented human intelligence” downplays the technology’s significance and evades the question of how machine intelligence actually relates to human thought.
It's just SEP/WSWS spamming this stupid slop. Just ignore it and move on.
i’ve only seen WSWS use it, no one outside of the sphere of people who know of WSWS (very small) even know what SAI is, fewer people support it
only 2 people post about it praising it here, unsurprising they’re both WSWS. i’d wager the only reason its even allowed to be posted is that one of the two mods here is a member of the WSWS
Give it a try and see what you think.
This goes into your question about "just amalgamation." And yes, misinformation -- or better to say, mistakes --is a risk. The AI has to be trained.
Technology and the working class: Responding to an opponent of Socialism AI
Will try it, thanks
I suggest you pose the hardest political question you have to Socialism AI then read the full result, check the references, give feedback if necessary (there is no claim it is perfect) and decide for yourself.
HTTPS://ai.wsws.org/
(Note there are multiple languages too)
Also decide if all the animosity from people who obviously have tried it is warranted.
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There is a difference between Socialism AI and the rest. The WSWS says AI should be called “Augmented Intelligence”.
For a helpful discussion of the technology, philosophy and politics behind it read:
Technology and the working class: Responding to an opponent of Socialism AI 19 December 2025•Evan Blake, David North
Also read: Science vs. suspicion and fear: An Open Letter to a critic of Socialism AI 20 December • David North
The strength of the capitalist class is that it knows its weakness.
Workers must rebuild a socialist culture that was destroyed by the betrayals of Stalinism, social-democracy and the syndicalist leaders.
Socialism AI is a historic advance in the struggle to overthrow the profit system, defeat the counter revolution and reorganize society in the interests of everyone.
But it is NOT a substitute for conscious human leadership. The party of world socialist revolution, the ICFI, must be built.
Struggle will decide. Let’s begin.
Edit: added URL to SocialismAI
It's lazy. I'm not a big theory guy (I have limited time for activism and I'd rather use it being OTG, engaging in mutual aid projects or teaching/attending community classes on useful skills like first aid, deescalation or defense than reading), and I hate it when I'm trying to have a conversation with someone and they break out "go read Lenin" like it's some kind of trump card, but if you want to use theory in your discussions, READ THE FUCKING THEORY.
Don't regurgitate AI slop and expect to be taken seriously.
I hope that every leftist community greets "Socialist AI" and all other generative AI, and everyone who uses it, with the hostility and disdain they deserve for trying to bring that slop into movement spaces.
I dont see a difference between referencing AI slop or referencing theory someone hasn't read, which happens plenty already lol. The key is that people learn something: thats way better achieved without the self-defeating crutch of AI.