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Well you see that's capitalist Jesus. He is very different than biblical Jesus. But biblical Jesus got thrown to the side for capitalist Jesus a few decades ago.
The world need Neal Stephenson to flesh out the world "The Fall" takes place in. The Church of Tactical Jesus is genius, and we need him to expand this world more.
Yeah - I'd say, as a fan of Stephenson, that "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" is the worst book he's ever written. But that early part in "Ameristan" is pure gold.
See also the "Remember Moab" myth in the book, that says that Moab, Utah was obliterated by a nuclear strike. All evidence that this didn't actually happen, which it very much did not, is rejected as government propaganda by the proud and righteous citizens of Ameristan.
This is actually kind of relevant to the MAGA phenomenon, and cults in general, because some Ameristanis would actually have managed to go to Moab and find it intact, and might have left their cult as a result. Similarly, some MAGA people, and some members of other cults, have gotten sick of the endless lies that became more and more obvious, and returned to consensus reality.
That doesn't necessarily mean that the cult gets smaller, though. The number of naive people being recruited (or born into the cult...) may exceed the number of jaded people leaving, or being pushed out for asking too many questions.
But there's usually still a significant number of people who leave any big cult.
(Yes, yes, I know: "A cult is an unpopular religion; a religion is a popular cult." I wouldn't actually call, say, the Jehovah's Witnesses, a cult. The JWs and also the Mormons are great examples of this turnover phenomenon, though.)
Agreed all around. All of the first part with Moab and Ameristan should be its own novel. The amount of times I’ve told someone to read the first part of "The Fall" to make sense of the moment we are in, is staggering. We need news filters/curators, too.
He’s pulled this bullshit every fucking year for over a decade. I’m glad these guys are finally realizing the type of garbage person they’ve dedicated a decade of their lives to, but come fucking on.
It's performative, they're saying this to reassure themselves they aren't obviously horrible like Trump. If it were really a bridge too far they've had 10 years to have that realization every Christmas, Thanksgiving, and easter, like you said.
I’m glad these guys are finally realizing the type of garbage person they’ve dedicated a decade of their lives to
Are they realizing it, though? Because I've seen T_D and r/conservative have this epiphany every Christmas for a decade and yet they're still fully in his cult.
I am actually surprised at how many people on the conservative subs were like, give it a rest man. Have they not noticed this is his daily routine though? Every single Christmas has been the same too.
There are like only a handful of actual regulars on that sub. Then people who lean right, who assume it's an actual representation of centre-right to right leaning politics, will see it pop up on all or popular, and get a surprise from time to time at how insane it is.
My favorite is from vhon64 who identifies as a MAGA Christian.
Spotted the Dem. This is what Trump is, and this is why he so beloved by the people. If you did not realize that you're either blind of a dem faking as conservative to mess up our subreddit.
This users account is 11 years old, made one comment 5 years ago, one post a year ago, then posted another 50 or so comments exclusively to the conservative subreddit starting 5 days ago.
Probably a stolen account; the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency used established accounts to push Trump propaganda all the time, and just because Putin shuttered that troll farm doesn't mean the thousands of others stopped shilling for Putin's puppet.
They weren't shuttered, IRA was originally a Wagner operation so after pringles' little fun run they got rolled into the russian MoD proper along with the penal battalions
Every word he said is the truth though, bot, Russian, or otherwise. Democrats hate him for this sorta thing and conservatives revel in it. They love this, even if a few do protest.
I am not one to ever take up for the left. But dammit Trump. Just don't acknowledge them at all. Quit stooping to their level. You are giving them exactly what they want.
This is Trump's level. He does this literally every single holiday. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter. This is Trump, but they still find away to blame it on the left.
I always find it hilarious when the right always claims "don't stoop to their level" talking about the left of politics, when the left-wing has never been about stooping to such lows, unlike the conservatives.
If you went just by the top comments on the most popular posts, you would have thought that Nikki Haley was going to win 80% of the vote in primaries and Trump would have been third place behind DeSantis. The brigading is so obvious
Oh man, remember when Top Acorns legit did swing for DeSantis and the mods allowed it for a couple months, and even let them dunk on the Trumpers? But then the tides turned and the sub went back to 100% in the tank for Trump.
I am not one to ever take up for the left. But dammit Trump. Just don't acknowledge them at all. Quit stooping to their level.
lol. I shouldn't be surprised anymore by these people, but even the true believers shouldn't somehow think that Trump isn't extremely crude in a way completely unlike any politician and especially any dem.
The way these idiots talk about Trump reminds me of how my wife and her brother tried to reason with their mother well after it was obvious she had dementia. I can't blame them; it was hard to accept, but eventually they gave up.
Trump supporters, though, seem to be completely incapable of realizing that their man is beyond reasoning. He's posted like a lunatic on social media for years, and it's only gotten worse. The Christmas message isn't even that bad, not compared to his Rob Reiner post.
That their guy has any power at all is <insert rant here>.
Imagine being such a miserable loser that you can’t turn it off even on Christmas. Yes I’m talking about Trump and these posters. I thought Christmas was this sacrosanct holiday that shouldn’t never ever be perverted.
Are you kidding? Christmas is the best time of the year for whining about the culture war and how the left is trying to destroy America, plus you also get to double dip with complaining about how your family no longer talks to you (which is obviously because they got liberal brainwashing).
The truces were not unique to the Christmas period and reflected a mood of "live and let live", where infantry close together would stop fighting and fraternise, engaging in conversation. In some sectors, there were occasional ceasefires to allow soldiers to go between the lines and recover wounded or dead comrades; in others, there was a tacit agreement not to shoot while men rested, exercised or worked in view of the enemy. The Christmas truces were particularly significant due to the number of men involved and the level of their participation—even in quiet sectors, dozens of men openly congregating in daylight was remarkable—and are often seen as a symbolic moment of peace and humanity amidst one of the most violent conflicts in human history.
How anti-American can you be to treat civilian illegal aliens far worse than mortal enemies during one of the most brutal conflicts in human history? Not to mention this coward would never find himself volunteering for a war like that.
To their credit, it looks like the reasonable comments are being upvoted and the crazy assholes being downvoted. At least as of the time of me writing this.
I mean Trump has told the world he gets repeated dementia tests and repeated MRIs They never gave Biden dementia tests. They should've known when trump tried to paint Biden as crazy that he was really talking about himself. That's what he does. He projects and talks about himself in 3rd person at times. He's done that all throughout his rallies these 10 years.
Yeah....problem with that type of comment/thought process is
Not everyone on reddit is from the USA. Eg. This is a worldwide problem (people who dont feel empathy/pedophiles/terrorism/billionaires/dunning krugerism/MAGA)
You're doing the exact same thing which you're condemning (in the same sentence)
Pity is a far more appopriate word.
I dont hate them. I pity them.
Its completley pointless to hate ppl that dont feel/experience empathy, as the feeling of hate- it only affects/impacts you..not them.
Dont take offence to the word scum- dont bother...its just another way of saying..."i dont fucking understand these ppl".
Your thinking of the word scum from the point of view of someone who feels empathy. If u read the comments on that sub...they are void of feeling/emotion - they are flat and one dimensional. There is no depth to any of it.
In saying that tho, Hating pedophiles is entirely acceptable.
Right here. This is the difference between this sub and the rest of the Reddit subs. Two people can have opposing views, concede each others good points, enter into a debate in good faith and walk away with no flame wars or bans. This is one of the distinct attributes that brought me back home to my conservative roots. Civil discourse is needed now more than ever. Steel sharpens steel folks.
Look at all that holiday cheer. Steel here has had too many spiked eggnogs, clearly.
I love it when conservatives pat themselves on the back for basically being slightly closer to valid human beings for half a second. In this case the brave stance that they are graciously allowing was “I’m allowed to not like it when our president chooses my favorite holiday to be his usual self”
Always the self-congratulatory bot comment in every thread lol, surrounded by a sea of removed comments. Like what the fuck were their opposing views even, they were both just discussing how to validate Trump's actions lol
Also man, that person's comment history really paints a picture of who MAGA is. A bipolar paraplegic teenager that wants to make sure no one has access to the healthcare subsidies that they desperately need.
Maybe it was deleted but I screenshotted it, it was disgustinganimals. Never really saw them comment before. Magehunter sounds like a nut though. I feel like most of those accounts have to be foreign bots
And yet Jesus routinely made fools of establishment hypocrites to show the crowds how they are wrong.
Oh, yes, that's one of the many similarities between Jesus Christ and Donald Trump. Jesus fuck, the brain damage required to even believe that is stunning!
Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ, Savior of the World, but you’re never going to hear anyone on the left talk about that publicly because they can’t stand the values our Lord actually espouses.
I thought it was about co-opting various Roman and pagan winter solstice traditions to get people to fall in line with the new religion. That and reindeer and consumerism.
The Ron Paul conservatives bro-ing out over being Ron Paul conservatives is even funnier than the dumbasses who are appalled by Trump's behavior, as if this is new behavior.
This almost makes me miss when Reddit was noting but twentysomething libertarian IT bros who knew as much about libertarianism as those Tea Bagging morons who would've argued about the destruction of property that occurred in the actual Boston Tea Party.
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-Jesus, possibly.
Well you see that's capitalist Jesus. He is very different than biblical Jesus. But biblical Jesus got thrown to the side for capitalist Jesus a few decades ago.
The world need Neal Stephenson to flesh out the world "The Fall" takes place in. The Church of Tactical Jesus is genius, and we need him to expand this world more.
Yeah - I'd say, as a fan of Stephenson, that "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" is the worst book he's ever written. But that early part in "Ameristan" is pure gold.
See also the "Remember Moab" myth in the book, that says that Moab, Utah was obliterated by a nuclear strike. All evidence that this didn't actually happen, which it very much did not, is rejected as government propaganda by the proud and righteous citizens of Ameristan.
This is actually kind of relevant to the MAGA phenomenon, and cults in general, because some Ameristanis would actually have managed to go to Moab and find it intact, and might have left their cult as a result. Similarly, some MAGA people, and some members of other cults, have gotten sick of the endless lies that became more and more obvious, and returned to consensus reality.
That doesn't necessarily mean that the cult gets smaller, though. The number of naive people being recruited (or born into the cult...) may exceed the number of jaded people leaving, or being pushed out for asking too many questions.
But there's usually still a significant number of people who leave any big cult.
(Yes, yes, I know: "A cult is an unpopular religion; a religion is a popular cult." I wouldn't actually call, say, the Jehovah's Witnesses, a cult. The JWs and also the Mormons are great examples of this turnover phenomenon, though.)
Agreed all around. All of the first part with Moab and Ameristan should be its own novel. The amount of times I’ve told someone to read the first part of "The Fall" to make sense of the moment we are in, is staggering. We need news filters/curators, too.
Capitalist Jesus is Mammon.
He’s actually called Supply-Side Jesus!
We've got the American Jesus, see him on the interstate
We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day
He’s pulled this bullshit every fucking year for over a decade. I’m glad these guys are finally realizing the type of garbage person they’ve dedicated a decade of their lives to, but come fucking on.
It's performative, they're saying this to reassure themselves they aren't obviously horrible like Trump. If it were really a bridge too far they've had 10 years to have that realization every Christmas, Thanksgiving, and easter, like you said.
Are they realizing it, though? Because I've seen T_D and r/conservative have this epiphany every Christmas for a decade and yet they're still fully in his cult.
I am actually surprised at how many people on the conservative subs were like, give it a rest man. Have they not noticed this is his daily routine though? Every single Christmas has been the same too.
There are like only a handful of actual regulars on that sub. Then people who lean right, who assume it's an actual representation of centre-right to right leaning politics, will see it pop up on all or popular, and get a surprise from time to time at how insane it is.
My favorite is from vhon64 who identifies as a MAGA Christian.
This users account is 11 years old, made one comment 5 years ago, one post a year ago, then posted another 50 or so comments exclusively to the conservative subreddit starting 5 days ago.
Those are the so-called conservative sleeper cells.
Every genuine terror organisation has them as does the conservative sub.
Probably a stolen account; the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency used established accounts to push Trump propaganda all the time, and just because Putin shuttered that troll farm doesn't mean the thousands of others stopped shilling for Putin's puppet.
They weren't shuttered, IRA was originally a Wagner operation so after pringles' little fun run they got rolled into the russian MoD proper along with the penal battalions
Dassa bot.
Every word he said is the truth though, bot, Russian, or otherwise. Democrats hate him for this sorta thing and conservatives revel in it. They love this, even if a few do protest.
This is Trump's level. He does this literally every single holiday. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter. This is Trump, but they still find away to blame it on the left.
I always find it hilarious when the right always claims "don't stoop to their level" talking about the left of politics, when the left-wing has never been about stooping to such lows, unlike the conservatives.
"They go low. We go high." The modern American left has been about decorum to a fault and the right has full-tilt taken advantage of it.
Well, the snowflakes are seasonal, at least.
Calling out the “fake conservatives”:
Oh man, remember when Top Acorns legit did swing for DeSantis and the mods allowed it for a couple months, and even let them dunk on the Trumpers? But then the tides turned and the sub went back to 100% in the tank for Trump.
lol. I shouldn't be surprised anymore by these people, but even the true believers shouldn't somehow think that Trump isn't extremely crude in a way completely unlike any politician and especially any dem.
Sooo much projection.
Hell I've been asking Dems to stoop to MAGAs level in some cases. Seriously getting tired of strongly worded letters.
How much the left lives rent free in MAGA minds must be insane.
The way these idiots talk about Trump reminds me of how my wife and her brother tried to reason with their mother well after it was obvious she had dementia. I can't blame them; it was hard to accept, but eventually they gave up.
Trump supporters, though, seem to be completely incapable of realizing that their man is beyond reasoning. He's posted like a lunatic on social media for years, and it's only gotten worse. The Christmas message isn't even that bad, not compared to his Rob Reiner post.
That their guy has any power at all is <insert rant here>.
Imagine being such a miserable loser that you can’t turn it off even on Christmas. Yes I’m talking about Trump and these posters. I thought Christmas was this sacrosanct holiday that shouldn’t never ever be perverted.
Are you kidding? Christmas is the best time of the year for whining about the culture war and how the left is trying to destroy America, plus you also get to double dip with complaining about how your family no longer talks to you (which is obviously because they got liberal brainwashing).
Afraid I can't do that. I have critical thinking capabilities.
Except literally during one of the most brutal wars in history when the British, French, Russians, and the Germans literally had a ceasefire just for Christmas and celebrated in no man's land.
How anti-American can you be to treat civilian illegal aliens far worse than mortal enemies during one of the most brutal conflicts in human history? Not to mention this coward would never find himself volunteering for a war like that.
To their credit, it looks like the reasonable comments are being upvoted and the crazy assholes being downvoted. At least as of the time of me writing this.
Because....he has dementia?
I mean Trump has told the world he gets repeated dementia tests and repeated MRIs They never gave Biden dementia tests. They should've known when trump tried to paint Biden as crazy that he was really talking about himself. That's what he does. He projects and talks about himself in 3rd person at times. He's done that all throughout his rallies these 10 years.
Rule #1 of MAGA: Every accusation is a confession.
Dyslexia
Calls half the country scum, wonders why that half hates them.
Yeah....problem with that type of comment/thought process is
I dont hate them. I pity them.
Its completley pointless to hate ppl that dont feel/experience empathy, as the feeling of hate- it only affects/impacts you..not them.
Dont take offence to the word scum- dont bother...its just another way of saying..."i dont fucking understand these ppl".
Your thinking of the word scum from the point of view of someone who feels empathy. If u read the comments on that sub...they are void of feeling/emotion - they are flat and one dimensional. There is no depth to any of it.
In saying that tho, Hating pedophiles is entirely acceptable.
Look at all that holiday cheer. Steel here has had too many spiked eggnogs, clearly.
I love it when conservatives pat themselves on the back for basically being slightly closer to valid human beings for half a second. In this case the brave stance that they are graciously allowing was “I’m allowed to not like it when our president chooses my favorite holiday to be his usual self”
Mmmmm Yes thats why 125 out of 150 comments get removed by the mods
Always the self-congratulatory bot comment in every thread lol, surrounded by a sea of removed comments. Like what the fuck were their opposing views even, they were both just discussing how to validate Trump's actions lol
Also man, that person's comment history really paints a picture of who MAGA is. A bipolar paraplegic teenager that wants to make sure no one has access to the healthcare subsidies that they desperately need.
Republicans control pretty much every lever in government yet somehow everything is Democrats fault.
Jesus christ
That comment is hospital grade sterile. Theres absolutley nothing there. Its just empty words.
My guess is that It was an attempt to trigger a response for their own (fleeting) amusement.
I couldn't find this comment but I'm guessing it was the magehunter
Maybe it was deleted but I screenshotted it, it was disgustinganimals. Never really saw them comment before. Magehunter sounds like a nut though. I feel like most of those accounts have to be foreign bots
The final straw for me when it came to Trump was 2025's tonally inappropriate Christmas message. Everything prior to that I was okay with.
Oh, yes, that's one of the many similarities between Jesus Christ and Donald Trump. Jesus fuck, the brain damage required to even believe that is stunning!
That gentlemanCEO is going to be banned from there sooner than later.
I thought it was about co-opting various Roman and pagan winter solstice traditions to get people to fall in line with the new religion. That and reindeer and consumerism.
The Ron Paul conservatives bro-ing out over being Ron Paul conservatives is even funnier than the dumbasses who are appalled by Trump's behavior, as if this is new behavior.
This almost makes me miss when Reddit was noting but twentysomething libertarian IT bros who knew as much about libertarianism as those Tea Bagging morons who would've argued about the destruction of property that occurred in the actual Boston Tea Party.
You see that one guy saying that "the left must be annihilated"?
They really haven’t been paying attention. Like at all.
I hate clicking on their profiles and seeing they’re into things I like.
They don’t deserve to watch funny shows or play cool games.
Fuck all these people, man.
"The 'turn the other cheek' crowd are losers, and I want to win."
So....Jesus then.