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It's them being deliberately misleading and reframing people saying that they don't care about Clinton suffering consequences as "don't care that he's a paedophile"
I couldn't give a fuck if Clinton Blair and Bush 1 and 2 are on there. Bring them all down.
“I would never admit a person on my side is guilty of an ethically serious crime. Therefore, the only reason every lib without reservation calls for his prosecution if he’s guilty is because it’s just virtue signaling they know will come to nothing.” As if we’d suddenly change our tune if there’s a chance he’d end up in jail.
It’s a strong logical conclusion if you believe that everyone else is as morally bankrupt as you are, and if you’re pathetic enough to treat authority and power as something that deserves reverence.
They're questioning why the left isn't talking about Clinton just as much as Trump... They cannot see why the current U.S. President is a bigger concern than someone who left office decades ago and they are trying to reframe it that not having front page headlines every day means that you don't care about the potential crime that was committed or the victims involved.
They did the same thing with Iryna Zarutska, that Ukranian girl who was stabbed to death on a train. People get murdered every day, it's tragic, but not giving special attention to one particular victim doesn't mean that the left is ok with murder of random innocents. Her murderer was arrested and will likely be convicted, there just isn't much more to say about it unless you are trying to sensationalize it.
Thing is the left is openly advocating for ol’ Billy C to be sent to prison if there’s evidence he participated in the Epstein abuses. It’s not that the left is saying “who gives a shit about Clinton?” The message is “he can be in the cell next to Trump’s.”
It's very similar in a sense to when Boris Johnson was caught breaking lockdown rules his givernment set during the pandemic to have numerous parties at Number 10.
Most people called for Boris to step down and were utterly horrified and disgusted by the arrogance of him doing that and constantly lying ("I didn't know it was happening", "I was surprised by cake on my birthday", "I did nothing wrong").
Meanwhile, the people who voted for him kept saying, "He did nothing wrong, he has a right to celebrate his birthday and Christmas" and the media outlets friendly to the right tried "gotcha" reporting about Sir Kier Starmer having dinner at an Indian restaurant with colleagues, except that one was proven to be Starmer and those colleagues being socially distanced and isolating from others not in their social bubble, per the rules.
Even the right-wing media reporting it to the police to get revenge over the Tories being investigated and fined failed, because the police in the jurisdiction of the restaurant concluded no rules had been broken.
Even Jeffrey Epstein defended Bill Clinton in those leaked emails a few months ago (“never came to the island, don’t know him very well, it’s all salacious gossip” or something like that)
I think the most anyone has done is (correctly) point out that so far there's just insinuations, not hard accusations or proof of anything in the Epstein files released so far.
Especially when the DoJ seems to have taken specific actions to complicate Clinton. I'm not gonna defend him, if he did it, jail the fuck outta him after a proper trial...But when I see them deliberately censoring some kids' faces to imply that they were victims and all that, yeah I'm thinking that's not how one demonstrates guilt.
Then again I shouldn't be surprised, those guys never cared about demonstrating shit they just want to jail someone they consider an enemy.
The majority of the left are now too young to have voted for Clinton to begin with. I’m 42 and the first election I was eligible for was Bush v Gore. Clinton isn’t our guy the way Trump is their’s.
You'd need to be born before November 1978 to have voted for Clinton. That's currently less than 25% of the US population. Factoring in voter turnouts and immigration since 1996, it's unlikely that more than 10% of the current US population voted for him.
It's less than that when you include immigration. I don't know the stats and I'm not looking it up, but some percentage people over that age weren't citizens in '96.
And that makes me feel ancientbecause that was my first election
What are you talking about. I'm saying, that his number of people who were alive who voted in Clinton's second election is too high, because people who came over here after that election, can still be old enough to have voted then. Some percentage of people over the age of 47 did not live in the United States at that time.
I think they think he’s our Reagan but that’s also not true. We just don’t make presidents objects of reverence like this. They did it with GWB too until his popularity plummeted near the end of his presidency and they realized Iraq was a mistake, now they’re all “I don’t know her” about him
They're just pissed off because Clinton was a budgetarily effective president and no president on the right has ever had two brain cells to rub together to bring down our debt. I think he's low key skeezy at best, but if you're going to be a cheating, manipulating, power abusing pile of trash, the least you can do is be good at your job ffs.
Well, we didn’t elect and cultishly back a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist in a civil court, 20+ other SA accusations, admits he gropes women, pervs on young girls in his beauty pageant, and name all over just the 1% of the Epstein files that have been released.
Thats exactly why Reddit leftists rage that Bill doesn't matter, only Trump does. They don't care about guilt, child victims or any of it. They just hate Trump.
Reframing the nearly universal opinion of "Bill should go to jail too if he's guilty" as "raging that he doesn't matter" huh? Living in fantasy land.
They truly can't imagine people on the left NOT having a political person they would defend with their lives no matter how bad they are. Understanding that people on the other sides want to hold their own accountable is basically fantasy for them
You can’t overstate this. They don’t even believe that we don’t worship our politicians the same way they do. So for them it would be a fantasy. Not just a lie; an incoherent position.
But unlike the left with donald, I would easily accept that it could be true that he didn't do anything. (although, I'd still figure maybe he did and it wasn't talked about anywhere.)
“I could easily accept that Clinton didn’t do anything, except I wouldn’t actually accept that.”
"Leftists rage that Bill doesn't matter, only Trump does." Bet this dude can't find a single actually example of this because everyone on the left I know would have no problem with Clinton facing consequences if he's guilty.
Clinton was the first presidential vote i ever cast. If he is a child predator he should be in jail, but there is no evidence that he is. Plenty of evidence that he is a serial adulterer but that is not necessarily criminal activity.
Tbf the evidence strongly suggests he at least knew about what was going on. And by that i mean....he wasnt being kept in the dark. Epstein wasnt hiding what he was doing.
Clinton knew and he was in a positon of power.
That makes him a co-offender even if he wasnt physically involved.
Ultimately it boils down to a ppl feeling empathy vs ppl that dont
Ppl that feel empathy struggle to understand those that dont . Making the error of viewing every action they dont agree with- through the lens of someone who feels empathy. Which is a vicious circle to nowhere.
Ppl that dont feel empathy dont try to understand because they cant. They find it amusing that something they say can trigger such a huge response (they are amused for half a second and move on, but never change)
The conservative sub is not so much about politics - it is much closer to a bunch of non violent psychopaths finding ways to amuse one another with words.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not too keen on using the notion of "empathy" like that, because unfortunately that's not really a good discrimination. Part of it is, people are getting cooked so hard by all the misinformation and bullshit on social media that "alternative facts" make just as much sense as reality.
And to be clear: this isn't an excuse or a justification for anything. However, I think if we're to understand the current situation, painting it as this 30-40% of the population being outright psychopaths is both exaggerated and even dangerous, because at the end of the day that's going to lead into the wrong type of response.
I think the conservative sub, like many spaces on the internet overall, is dominated by few posters who 100% know what they're doing and are playing language games to further their agenda (being the pieces of shit they are / being paid by X or Y to do it, who cares). I also think that the tendency of conservatives to like strong men leads to more of a "follow the leader" attitude and that drastically amplifies those effects. Add an echo chamber to it and there you go, the only disagreement you'll find is on how high the temperature should be set when they cook their boogeymen alive.
You could literally make a copypasta out of that last comment with trump and switch a few things around. They already know he's not a real Republican so that part is perfect too.
Yeah but even conservatives have admitted he's just doing it for show now. And I agree lol if given the chance, he'd switch sides again if it meant it could get him even more money and attention. He's an addict and addicts have no side except the hit!
I am pretty sure those on the left are fine with Bill Clinton going to jail if he did the crimes. No one treats Bill the same way as the right does Trump.
Bill also hasn’t had a single person accuse him of being a pedophile or sex pest towards children. There’s nothing that actually implicates Clinton in the files.
There's a photo of him in a hot tub with a victim, which is not the same, but I wouldn't get too invested in the idea of his complete innocence. he'd already been getting away with stuff (Paula Jones, Anita Broadrick; at least they weren't children) before he was president or knew Jeffrey Epstein.
No, there’s a photo of him in a hot tub with somebody. We don’t know that it’s a victim, because the DOJ has been caught redacting the faces of people who are not victims all over the place, including redacting by the faces of Michael Jackson’s children in a public-domain photo of him with them.
Maybe, yeah. We'll just have to stay tuned. Someone will know more about that location and the events, and they still will, preferably after the actively criminal president situation will have been dealt with. Knock on wood.
If we get to have a real government again, someday, any other guilty men won't be nearly so well defended.
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If 4 makes you a well known predator, what does 28 mean?
Super-predator. We need to bring these rich guys to heel.
Everyone knows it’s quality over quantity.
-magats
a serial rapist?
it means it’s a witch hunt hoax !!!!
I haven’t seen a single person defend Bill Clinton…
That last comment concludes that because the left isn’t defending Bill Clinton, the left doesn’t care about child victims.
I tried to figure out the logic there, but it’s just too advanced for me.
It's them being deliberately misleading and reframing people saying that they don't care about Clinton suffering consequences as "don't care that he's a paedophile"
I couldn't give a fuck if Clinton Blair and Bush 1 and 2 are on there. Bring them all down.
If Biden, Obama, and Mamdani were credibly implicated, I’d want them investigated and charged/sentenced as appropriate.
I don’t see that happening, but I don’t support child predators.
It’s just them thinking:
“I would never admit a person on my side is guilty of an ethically serious crime. Therefore, the only reason every lib without reservation calls for his prosecution if he’s guilty is because it’s just virtue signaling they know will come to nothing.” As if we’d suddenly change our tune if there’s a chance he’d end up in jail.
It’s a strong logical conclusion if you believe that everyone else is as morally bankrupt as you are, and if you’re pathetic enough to treat authority and power as something that deserves reverence.
They're questioning why the left isn't talking about Clinton just as much as Trump... They cannot see why the current U.S. President is a bigger concern than someone who left office decades ago and they are trying to reframe it that not having front page headlines every day means that you don't care about the potential crime that was committed or the victims involved.
They did the same thing with Iryna Zarutska, that Ukranian girl who was stabbed to death on a train. People get murdered every day, it's tragic, but not giving special attention to one particular victim doesn't mean that the left is ok with murder of random innocents. Her murderer was arrested and will likely be convicted, there just isn't much more to say about it unless you are trying to sensationalize it.
The last time I put serious thought into Bill Clinton was in the previous century.
Thing is the left is openly advocating for ol’ Billy C to be sent to prison if there’s evidence he participated in the Epstein abuses. It’s not that the left is saying “who gives a shit about Clinton?” The message is “he can be in the cell next to Trump’s.”
Or maybe, he's not the goddamn president right now lol
If Clinton was currently President as I voted for him, I wouldn’t give a shit about his position.
I don’t expect Clinton is guilty of anything, but if he is, prison. At least he is demanding full transparency for him. Trump seems clearly guilty.
It's very similar in a sense to when Boris Johnson was caught breaking lockdown rules his givernment set during the pandemic to have numerous parties at Number 10.
Most people called for Boris to step down and were utterly horrified and disgusted by the arrogance of him doing that and constantly lying ("I didn't know it was happening", "I was surprised by cake on my birthday", "I did nothing wrong").
Meanwhile, the people who voted for him kept saying, "He did nothing wrong, he has a right to celebrate his birthday and Christmas" and the media outlets friendly to the right tried "gotcha" reporting about Sir Kier Starmer having dinner at an Indian restaurant with colleagues, except that one was proven to be Starmer and those colleagues being socially distanced and isolating from others not in their social bubble, per the rules.
Even the right-wing media reporting it to the police to get revenge over the Tories being investigated and fined failed, because the police in the jurisdiction of the restaurant concluded no rules had been broken.
Even Bill Clinton is not defending Bill Clinton
Even Jeffrey Epstein defended Bill Clinton in those leaked emails a few months ago (“never came to the island, don’t know him very well, it’s all salacious gossip” or something like that)
I think the most anyone has done is (correctly) point out that so far there's just insinuations, not hard accusations or proof of anything in the Epstein files released so far.
Especially when the DoJ seems to have taken specific actions to complicate Clinton. I'm not gonna defend him, if he did it, jail the fuck outta him after a proper trial...But when I see them deliberately censoring some kids' faces to imply that they were victims and all that, yeah I'm thinking that's not how one demonstrates guilt.
Then again I shouldn't be surprised, those guys never cared about demonstrating shit they just want to jail someone they consider an enemy.
The majority of the left are now too young to have voted for Clinton to begin with. I’m 42 and the first election I was eligible for was Bush v Gore. Clinton isn’t our guy the way Trump is their’s.
You'd need to be born before November 1978 to have voted for Clinton. That's currently less than 25% of the US population. Factoring in voter turnouts and immigration since 1996, it's unlikely that more than 10% of the current US population voted for him.
It's less than that when you include immigration. I don't know the stats and I'm not looking it up, but some percentage people over that age weren't citizens in '96.
And that makes me feel ancientbecause that was my first election
They went on to do that?
What are you talking about. I'm saying, that his number of people who were alive who voted in Clinton's second election is too high, because people who came over here after that election, can still be old enough to have voted then. Some percentage of people over the age of 47 did not live in the United States at that time.
The first sentence part:
The second part:
This so fucking hard.
I think they think he’s our Reagan but that’s also not true. We just don’t make presidents objects of reverence like this. They did it with GWB too until his popularity plummeted near the end of his presidency and they realized Iraq was a mistake, now they’re all “I don’t know her” about him
They're just pissed off because Clinton was a budgetarily effective president and no president on the right has ever had two brain cells to rub together to bring down our debt. I think he's low key skeezy at best, but if you're going to be a cheating, manipulating, power abusing pile of trash, the least you can do is be good at your job ffs.
“They (the left) don’t care about guilt”
Well, we didn’t elect and cultishly back a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist in a civil court, 20+ other SA accusations, admits he gropes women, pervs on young girls in his beauty pageant, and name all over just the 1% of the Epstein files that have been released.
Reframing the nearly universal opinion of "Bill should go to jail too if he's guilty" as "raging that he doesn't matter" huh? Living in fantasy land.
They truly can't imagine people on the left NOT having a political person they would defend with their lives no matter how bad they are. Understanding that people on the other sides want to hold their own accountable is basically fantasy for them
You can’t overstate this. They don’t even believe that we don’t worship our politicians the same way they do. So for them it would be a fantasy. Not just a lie; an incoherent position.
Like the theists who believe atheists are "mad at God", and can't fathom the idea that we simply don't believe that such a deity exists.
Interesting. Clinton gets accused and bangs an intern, and that confirms he's a sex predator.
Trump has a whole Wikipedia page for his sex abuse allegations. But this is fake news.
Trump also lost a SA case in court!
Yep.
Only reason it was SA and not rape was she wasn't sure if it was his finger or his dick he put inside her.
“I could easily accept that Clinton didn’t do anything, except I wouldn’t actually accept that.”
« They don’t care about guilt, child victims, or any of it »
Says the guy who doesn’t care about guilt, child victims, or any of it…
"Leftists rage that Bill doesn't matter, only Trump does." Bet this dude can't find a single actually example of this because everyone on the left I know would have no problem with Clinton facing consequences if he's guilty.
Clinton was the first presidential vote i ever cast. If he is a child predator he should be in jail, but there is no evidence that he is. Plenty of evidence that he is a serial adulterer but that is not necessarily criminal activity.
Tbf the evidence strongly suggests he at least knew about what was going on. And by that i mean....he wasnt being kept in the dark. Epstein wasnt hiding what he was doing.
Clinton knew and he was in a positon of power.
That makes him a co-offender even if he wasnt physically involved.
Why do they think "the left" likes Bill Clinton. The left is against almost every president the USA has had.
To them, the Democrats are some crusty extremist ancom. You gotta remember that.
Ultimately it boils down to a ppl feeling empathy vs ppl that dont
Ppl that feel empathy struggle to understand those that dont . Making the error of viewing every action they dont agree with- through the lens of someone who feels empathy. Which is a vicious circle to nowhere.
Ppl that dont feel empathy dont try to understand because they cant. They find it amusing that something they say can trigger such a huge response (they are amused for half a second and move on, but never change)
The conservative sub is not so much about politics - it is much closer to a bunch of non violent psychopaths finding ways to amuse one another with words.
I get what you're saying, but I'm not too keen on using the notion of "empathy" like that, because unfortunately that's not really a good discrimination. Part of it is, people are getting cooked so hard by all the misinformation and bullshit on social media that "alternative facts" make just as much sense as reality.
And to be clear: this isn't an excuse or a justification for anything. However, I think if we're to understand the current situation, painting it as this 30-40% of the population being outright psychopaths is both exaggerated and even dangerous, because at the end of the day that's going to lead into the wrong type of response.
I think the conservative sub, like many spaces on the internet overall, is dominated by few posters who 100% know what they're doing and are playing language games to further their agenda (being the pieces of shit they are / being paid by X or Y to do it, who cares). I also think that the tendency of conservatives to like strong men leads to more of a "follow the leader" attitude and that drastically amplifies those effects. Add an echo chamber to it and there you go, the only disagreement you'll find is on how high the temperature should be set when they cook their boogeymen alive.
You could literally make a copypasta out of that last comment with trump and switch a few things around. They already know he's not a real Republican so that part is perfect too.
On the contrary, his beliefs, attitudes, and actions are exemplary of what it means to be Republican.
Yeah but even conservatives have admitted he's just doing it for show now. And I agree lol if given the chance, he'd switch sides again if it meant it could get him even more money and attention. He's an addict and addicts have no side except the hit!
I am pretty sure those on the left are fine with Bill Clinton going to jail if he did the crimes. No one treats Bill the same way as the right does Trump.
link to thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/s/a2fvBshfRp
I think it's quite the opposite. I think Bill knows he's fucked, either way, but at least he can maybe take trump with him.
Bill also hasn’t had a single person accuse him of being a pedophile or sex pest towards children. There’s nothing that actually implicates Clinton in the files.
There's a photo of him in a hot tub with a victim, which is not the same, but I wouldn't get too invested in the idea of his complete innocence. he'd already been getting away with stuff (Paula Jones, Anita Broadrick; at least they weren't children) before he was president or knew Jeffrey Epstein.
No, there’s a photo of him in a hot tub with somebody. We don’t know that it’s a victim, because the DOJ has been caught redacting the faces of people who are not victims all over the place, including redacting by the faces of Michael Jackson’s children in a public-domain photo of him with them.
Maybe, yeah. We'll just have to stay tuned. Someone will know more about that location and the events, and they still will, preferably after the actively criminal president situation will have been dealt with. Knock on wood.
If we get to have a real government again, someday, any other guilty men won't be nearly so well defended.
Why do you even think that? The only evidence is that the guy is a sex creep which is not evidence of being a pedophile?
We know Bill is a disgusting dog. He also isn't the president and can't run for president anymore.
Trump is the president and has been accused of raping women for fucking decades. He's got 34 fucking felonies. They keep trying to polish a turd.
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Bro - thank you LMAO
And how many have accused Dumpy?