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Nope we're just a bunch of stupid wop dagos to them. I live in southern illinois and you wouldn't be surprised how often I hear those words from people that I know.
In Illinois I can tell you there is only one person who those words represent and it's Greg Bovino.
I'm a fat white guy with a pretty decent beard. When I keep my hair short, and my beard conditioned so it doesn't curl up crazy, I look very much like one of them. The fact that I'm both Sephardic Jewish and Sicilian is not immediately obvious, and because of that I've heard some absolutely outrageous shit said light-heartedly to me as if I would agree with them.
Dad is Sicilian, mom is Irish so I look like average white guy. Where I live there just aren't any Italians so most don't know anything racist against me aside from the rare occasion when someone thinks my last name is Hispanic. It's weird how openly racist people can be when they think they're with only people like them... Now in New England where my dad lived, I've definitely heard a fair bit of anti-sicilian stuff, but it's rare in the south.
Look, in the early 1900's they understood that Italians weren't really white. Nor the Irish. And obviously the Spanish are right out. And the French, mostly because they're too... French. And Germans are too swarthy. So obviously the Dutch and the Scandinavians are right out.
So you're only white if you're English. But obviously not lower class English. They're too barbaric. So you have to be from London, specifically. But not the North side of London. Or the South side. Or the East side.
“Do ya not get it lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And Northsiders are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud, ‘I’m black n I’m proud’. “
That explains a lot. I'm gonna guess she lives in rural Kentucky. Which can be pretty goddamn rural; there are well over a dozen counties in that state with a population of less than ten thousand people.
I have the pleasure of frequently visiting some of the slightly more populous counties in eastern Kentucky, and that area can be pretty insular. She could well be the only person for miles and miles around who isn't either of Scots Irish or African American ancestry.
The context: from a deduction sub shes trying to argue that she isntbreally a white american as she is rich with two types of European. Despite the fact that she has a white skin tone and was born in america, shes different. Very common among boring people in the states to be like "oh im 1/8th Irish and my great aunt had an Italian greyhound so thats why I can pound 5 beers in 2 hours kiss me im Irish;)))))))"
I know conservatives mostly use it to make fun of Elizabeth Warren, but there's a pretty significant chunk of people in this country who like to claim that they've got a Cherokee grandmother or some such.
For my experience, those people fall into one of three groups. People who grew up being told that's part of the family legend (in a lot of cases it was to cover for a black ancestor), people who use it as an excuse for really horrific takes, and people who assume that identity to commit fraud. I'm mostly familiar with that last group, as I can't tell you the number of white women I've seen in indigenous studies communities who claim that they've got 1/16 whatever. (I'm white, and have never felt unwelcome in those communities because I've never tried to ingratiate myself as a member instead of an ally).
Some days back there was a discussion where a Yank explained that while there are families where the native ancestors are a cover up for black ancestors, there are also people with native American ancestors whose families instead claimed that they have Italian ancestry.
Yes. Bigots are opportunists. The have expanded the circle of "What is acceptable" to include all sorts of undesirables like Italians, Catholics, Irish, certain Hispanics, and even Jews in extreme cases. If they ever manage to eject their current targets you can absolutely expect that circle to shrink and shrink til we get back to the original "WASPs only" type of bigotry.
Jews are Schrodinger's white, we're white when progressives want to downplay our problems and we're minorities when conservatives want to separate themselves from us.
I just want to bring up this time that I was hanging out with a college friend of mine who is of Sicilian ancestry. One of her friends came over with one of *his* friends, and that friend turned out to be a total, unapologetic racist. And in the course of that "conversation", he told her to her face that she was not white. (Implying in context that he put her in the same category as being black.) She had very curly black hair and light-brown skin in the range that you might see in many Mediterranean countries.
Outside of the context of overt racism, I'm surprised a lot by who white people online will perceive as white or not. Often when it's a Mediterranean or Hispanic or Central Asian person with garbage right-wing opinions, you'll see a lot of comments about "tokens getting spent" or that otherwise reveal the commenter doesn't see them as white. Even though I would.
So even though the context here is weird and the comment questionable, I don't really doubt that they've had one or more experiences with a white person telling them they're not actually white.
If the person in the original thread has been hanging out with super racist people, her skin might pass muster with them, but she has other "features" that they've told her are signs her ancestry is less than desirable.
I'm sure phrenology has made a roaring comeback with these kinds of people.
Well, technically "white" is a different thing than "white passing", so yeah, sure, you're not white passing because you're just a regular white person.
My dad’s side is Sicilian, and we’re very familiar with the “Italians aren’t white” from white people and the “Sicilians aren’t even Italian, let alone white” from Italians, so I get what she’s saying.
And as for the finger comment someone else made, she’s probably got really thick, dark hair and southern Italian features. Yknow, like Luigi.
But if born in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you are an AMERICAN. Its super cool that people are exploring their heritage but this shit is so annoying. Oh you'll talk to me about your Sicilian roots but youve never even seen the damn tree. There are bigger problems in the world but if youre a 2nd generation american you are in fact an american and you only say otherwise to feel like you "arent like the rest". DORKS
I would be with you if you said THIRD generation or lower. Second gen kids are always stuck between their original culture and whatever their parents emigrated from. They also might be an actual immigrant, just didnt remember cause they were like, two.
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So "southern European" =\= "white"?
They really do want to return to the "good old days," don't they?
You’ll find old white supremacist forums with thousand page arguments on whether Italians are white. God help you if you’re Sicilian.
Yea then Dennis Hopper will have a thing or two to say about Sicilians.
Irish too.
Nope we're just a bunch of stupid wop dagos to them. I live in southern illinois and you wouldn't be surprised how often I hear those words from people that I know.
In Illinois I can tell you there is only one person who those words represent and it's Greg Bovino.
I never even heard those words until I was neighbors in college to a couple of guys from Tinley Park
As a Sicilian, I do kinda like to point out to white supremacist that I'm not "white" and I have nothing to do with their delusions.
I'm a fat white guy with a pretty decent beard. When I keep my hair short, and my beard conditioned so it doesn't curl up crazy, I look very much like one of them. The fact that I'm both Sephardic Jewish and Sicilian is not immediately obvious, and because of that I've heard some absolutely outrageous shit said light-heartedly to me as if I would agree with them.
Dad is Sicilian, mom is Irish so I look like average white guy. Where I live there just aren't any Italians so most don't know anything racist against me aside from the rare occasion when someone thinks my last name is Hispanic. It's weird how openly racist people can be when they think they're with only people like them... Now in New England where my dad lived, I've definitely heard a fair bit of anti-sicilian stuff, but it's rare in the south.
Thats also the reality in Italy for Sicilians
Look, in the early 1900's they understood that Italians weren't really white. Nor the Irish. And obviously the Spanish are right out. And the French, mostly because they're too... French. And Germans are too swarthy. So obviously the Dutch and the Scandinavians are right out.
So you're only white if you're English. But obviously not lower class English. They're too barbaric. So you have to be from London, specifically. But not the North side of London. Or the South side. Or the East side.
“Do ya not get it lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And Northsiders are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud, ‘I’m black n I’m proud’. “
WESTSIYEEED!
So Chelsea fans. Makes sense.
I was gonna say, you don't want to start that debate.
Can confirm. Dad was a Jim Crow racist. I think its the catholic thing.
Beside the obvious, I’m really struggling to understand the context in which anything she wrote makes any sense.
Edit: she has posts with her fingers visible … unless she has an amazing melanin ombré, she’s as white as white can be. 😂
Second edit: she has a toddler and keeps the gun in her purse “loaded and chambered.” Amazing.
Average American things.
Elsewhere she says she’s from Kentucky, so it’s possible I misread and it’s actually her toddler’s gun.
That explains a lot. I'm gonna guess she lives in rural Kentucky. Which can be pretty goddamn rural; there are well over a dozen counties in that state with a population of less than ten thousand people.
I have the pleasure of frequently visiting some of the slightly more populous counties in eastern Kentucky, and that area can be pretty insular. She could well be the only person for miles and miles around who isn't either of Scots Irish or African American ancestry.
My money is on West Kentucky rather than East Kentucky, only because I'm not sure if they have the internet in the hollars yet
How else are you going to raise a toddler in today's America if you don't get them used to people around them accidentally shooting themselves?
What is she trying to explain.
The context: from a deduction sub shes trying to argue that she isntbreally a white american as she is rich with two types of European. Despite the fact that she has a white skin tone and was born in america, shes different. Very common among boring people in the states to be like "oh im 1/8th Irish and my great aunt had an Italian greyhound so thats why I can pound 5 beers in 2 hours kiss me im Irish;)))))))"
I know conservatives mostly use it to make fun of Elizabeth Warren, but there's a pretty significant chunk of people in this country who like to claim that they've got a Cherokee grandmother or some such.
For my experience, those people fall into one of three groups. People who grew up being told that's part of the family legend (in a lot of cases it was to cover for a black ancestor), people who use it as an excuse for really horrific takes, and people who assume that identity to commit fraud. I'm mostly familiar with that last group, as I can't tell you the number of white women I've seen in indigenous studies communities who claim that they've got 1/16 whatever. (I'm white, and have never felt unwelcome in those communities because I've never tried to ingratiate myself as a member instead of an ally).
Some days back there was a discussion where a Yank explained that while there are families where the native ancestors are a cover up for black ancestors, there are also people with native American ancestors whose families instead claimed that they have Italian ancestry.
I mean, sadly, there are places in America where you are only white if Nordic/German/English. Anyplaces outside those countries isn't white
They’re gonna “un-white” the Irish and Italians again, aren’t they? They wanna go back to 18th century racism.
Yes. Bigots are opportunists. The have expanded the circle of "What is acceptable" to include all sorts of undesirables like Italians, Catholics, Irish, certain Hispanics, and even Jews in extreme cases. If they ever manage to eject their current targets you can absolutely expect that circle to shrink and shrink til we get back to the original "WASPs only" type of bigotry.
Hell, Irish, Italian & Jewish still weren't white WELL into the 20th century
Jews are Schrodinger's white, we're white when progressives want to downplay our problems and we're minorities when conservatives want to separate themselves from us.
Give conservatives a bit more credit: you're also white when it means we get to kill more muslims.
You're so right, how could I have forgotten?
"Transvestigation" is already pretty similar to phrenology as they focus on tiny "tells" from bone structure.
Just a matter of time before they connect these.
What is white passing in this context? Not blond haired and blue eyed? I am confused.
I just want to bring up this time that I was hanging out with a college friend of mine who is of Sicilian ancestry. One of her friends came over with one of *his* friends, and that friend turned out to be a total, unapologetic racist. And in the course of that "conversation", he told her to her face that she was not white. (Implying in context that he put her in the same category as being black.) She had very curly black hair and light-brown skin in the range that you might see in many Mediterranean countries.
Outside of the context of overt racism, I'm surprised a lot by who white people online will perceive as white or not. Often when it's a Mediterranean or Hispanic or Central Asian person with garbage right-wing opinions, you'll see a lot of comments about "tokens getting spent" or that otherwise reveal the commenter doesn't see them as white. Even though I would.
So even though the context here is weird and the comment questionable, I don't really doubt that they've had one or more experiences with a white person telling them they're not actually white.
If the person in the original thread has been hanging out with super racist people, her skin might pass muster with them, but she has other "features" that they've told her are signs her ancestry is less than desirable.
I'm sure phrenology has made a roaring comeback with these kinds of people.
I'm half Western hemisphere and half Southern hemisphere, on my mom's uncle's roommate's side.
Well, technically "white" is a different thing than "white passing", so yeah, sure, you're not white passing because you're just a regular white person.
My dad’s side is Sicilian, and we’re very familiar with the “Italians aren’t white” from white people and the “Sicilians aren’t even Italian, let alone white” from Italians, so I get what she’s saying.
And as for the finger comment someone else made, she’s probably got really thick, dark hair and southern Italian features. Yknow, like Luigi.
But if born in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you are an AMERICAN. Its super cool that people are exploring their heritage but this shit is so annoying. Oh you'll talk to me about your Sicilian roots but youve never even seen the damn tree. There are bigger problems in the world but if youre a 2nd generation american you are in fact an american and you only say otherwise to feel like you "arent like the rest". DORKS
I would be with you if you said THIRD generation or lower. Second gen kids are always stuck between their original culture and whatever their parents emigrated from. They also might be an actual immigrant, just didnt remember cause they were like, two.