While its tragic that we lost a lot of bros there, you cant really blame the iranians for not wanting to abide to a theocratic dictatorship.
Ä° just wished our people would've been wiser and disconnected a little from their religious fanatism, this probably could've been avoided if we werent so stubborn about religious dogmas.
you cant really blame the iranians for not wanting to abide to a theocratic dictatorship.
There is no biased agenda behind this post, I just saw something interesting and relevant to the subreddit so I posted it with a little wiki link about the revolution that precipitated the event. Indeed Iranians and Turks are much alike in terms of their world views and history.
Indeed Iranians and Turks are much alike in terms of their world views and history.
Not at all imo.
Similarities are only the result of us conquering each other, though Turks conquering iranic peoples more than the other way around.
Ä°f it wasnt for our shared geological location we probably wouldnt be half as similar as we are today.
Historically speaking iranians have ALWAYS been very dogmatic peoples.
Even scythians likely had a very strict hierarchy/belief system.
Only the Saka and the Sogdians seem to have had some leeway to their lifestyles, which is why we have some form of fire-worship in todays culture (a pre-civilization concept but largely popularized by Zoroastrianism)
Compare that to Turkic lifestyles who's faith was based on self-governance and free practice. The Khagans had little to no influence over the peoples lifestyles, nor did they have any interest. They were much more meritocratically valued and praised self-guidance in faith. Aside from clear-cut laws there werent many restrictions and the Khagan, while largely being supported, could be argued against.
(Tuqaq Temüryaylı Beğ literally broke the nose of his ruling Yabğu in a disagreement and threw him off his horse in the Oghuz yabgu state. His Yabgu forgave him and didnt have him executed)
On top of all of that the Khagans were often voted in by the Qurultai, which was basically a gathering of the main local Khans, the Khans were either ruling clan descendants or Khans of the local community. They had a kind of election system through the Qurultai. That way the communities wouldnt feel neglected while also staying unified. The fact that the Qurultai fell was the fault of the Ashinas failure to make compromises, thus causing the western-eastern civil war.
The Khagan also had to insert term limits. Before ruling, they had to say how many years they plan on ruling. Ä°f they broke their limit they were executed (we should definetly bring that conequence back)
So basically what Ä° wanted to convey was that we used to be much more advanced in the ancient past than we were in the recent past (or even the present)
We definetly should've kept some of these practices
I was talking about modern history within the last century and the current attitudes by both groups. A lot of Iranians and Turks are secular nationalists who idealise their past.
The concept of teenagehood sadly wasn’t a thing back then- the extension of childhood occurred in the mid 1900s hand in hand with advances in psychology and growing understanding of anatomy. Beforehand, as soon as you hit puberty you were considered an adult.
And since the "Persians" were independent had a shitty run... Let's not forget how the west plays with their feets ;D (Fordow flashbacks and Tehran IDF party)
The Great Game was indeed central to how Turkic hegemony collapsed over the Middle East and Central Asia. It’s insane how the Crimean War, genocides in the Caucasus, early Russian colonisation of North Kazakhstan and the carving up of North Afghanistan all occurred because of the same war. I wish it weren’t as overlooked on the subreddit as it were.
The constitutional revolution was the turning point where Iran began to become a persian ethnostate which was cemented when. persians took power in 1936 today's persians try to claim turkic dynasties who ruled Iran because of their inferiority complex but their idol Reza shah pahlavi saw them as foreign invaders
After overthrowing the Qajars, Shah Reza Pahlavi gave the following statement : “We shall admit that Iran, for over 1.000 years, lived under the rule of Turk-i conquerers”. ( Mihen newspaper, 1924 )
Hal'-i Ahmed Mîrzâ – Tecdîd-i Hayât-ı İctimâî, also known as Aynü's‑Saltana, years 1374–1380 [Islamic calendar], volume IX, page 6768
I don’t agree with having a religious ruler either. But seeing this still burns fire under my arse.
It was indeed very brutal and a graphic way of killing them.
While its tragic that we lost a lot of bros there, you cant really blame the iranians for not wanting to abide to a theocratic dictatorship.
Ä° just wished our people would've been wiser and disconnected a little from their religious fanatism, this probably could've been avoided if we werent so stubborn about religious dogmas.
There is no biased agenda behind this post, I just saw something interesting and relevant to the subreddit so I posted it with a little wiki link about the revolution that precipitated the event. Indeed Iranians and Turks are much alike in terms of their world views and history.
Not at all imo.
Similarities are only the result of us conquering each other, though Turks conquering iranic peoples more than the other way around.
Ä°f it wasnt for our shared geological location we probably wouldnt be half as similar as we are today.
Historically speaking iranians have ALWAYS been very dogmatic peoples.
Even scythians likely had a very strict hierarchy/belief system.
Only the Saka and the Sogdians seem to have had some leeway to their lifestyles, which is why we have some form of fire-worship in todays culture (a pre-civilization concept but largely popularized by Zoroastrianism)
Compare that to Turkic lifestyles who's faith was based on self-governance and free practice. The Khagans had little to no influence over the peoples lifestyles, nor did they have any interest. They were much more meritocratically valued and praised self-guidance in faith. Aside from clear-cut laws there werent many restrictions and the Khagan, while largely being supported, could be argued against.
(Tuqaq Temüryaylı Beğ literally broke the nose of his ruling Yabğu in a disagreement and threw him off his horse in the Oghuz yabgu state. His Yabgu forgave him and didnt have him executed)
On top of all of that the Khagans were often voted in by the Qurultai, which was basically a gathering of the main local Khans, the Khans were either ruling clan descendants or Khans of the local community. They had a kind of election system through the Qurultai. That way the communities wouldnt feel neglected while also staying unified. The fact that the Qurultai fell was the fault of the Ashinas failure to make compromises, thus causing the western-eastern civil war.
The Khagan also had to insert term limits. Before ruling, they had to say how many years they plan on ruling. Ä°f they broke their limit they were executed (we should definetly bring that conequence back)
So basically what Ä° wanted to convey was that we used to be much more advanced in the ancient past than we were in the recent past (or even the present)
We definetly should've kept some of these practices
I was talking about modern history within the last century and the current attitudes by both groups. A lot of Iranians and Turks are secular nationalists who idealise their past.
Ä° feel you. Just felt like infodumping today
Ermmm, can we talk for a sec about how everyone in the photo look like a child
The concept of teenagehood sadly wasn’t a thing back then- the extension of childhood occurred in the mid 1900s hand in hand with advances in psychology and growing understanding of anatomy. Beforehand, as soon as you hit puberty you were considered an adult.
And since the "Persians" were independent had a shitty run... Let's not forget how the west plays with their feets ;D (Fordow flashbacks and Tehran IDF party)
Turco-Mongol rule > Persian girl club
The West started "playing with their feet" during Turkic rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
The Great Game was indeed central to how Turkic hegemony collapsed over the Middle East and Central Asia. It’s insane how the Crimean War, genocides in the Caucasus, early Russian colonisation of North Kazakhstan and the carving up of North Afghanistan all occurred because of the same war. I wish it weren’t as overlooked on the subreddit as it were.
At this point in time the Turks of Tabriz had also allied against the Shah.
The constitutional revolution was the turning point where Iran began to become a persian ethnostate which was cemented when. persians took power in 1936 today's persians try to claim turkic dynasties who ruled Iran because of their inferiority complex but their idol Reza shah pahlavi saw them as foreign invaders