On one hand, you've got a moving vehicle colliding with a stationary vehicle, which usually makes things pretty clear-cut.
On the other hand, I don't think it's too unreasonable that the truck driver didn't see or realize the blades were in his way, and it seems unusual that there wasn't anyone blocking traffic.
I give the truck driver a pass. They landed it in the roadway and you don’t typically have to worry about clearance between your vehicle and helicopter blades when you’re driving in the roadway
I wouldn't. It's not like he doesn't see or hear the helicopter. It's VERY obvious. Going about your day like it doesn't exist requires an impressive lack of brain cells
Helicopters shouldn’t be in the road unless there is a serious injury that requires airlift and by then the scene would be cleared and wouldn’t have to worry about that. But this isn’t the US obviously
Yes, but in the rare circumstances that they are in the road, it should be pretty obvious that you should not approach them.
The truck does not get a pass, they shouldn't have gone anywhere near the helicopter. If they landed there in an emergency, there wouldn't be any blockades etc-- you should not need those to have something in your brain tell you not to approach.
Genuinely, this is what used to be referred to as common sense.
It's almost certainly the helicopter pilot's fault.
The FAA guidelines say that may land away from airports ONLY when it can be done safely and public roadways are NOT approved landing zones because it creates an obvious hazard. If the helicopter landed for any reason other than an emergency, that would be a strong case for negligence.
Even then, once on the ground, the pilot has a duty to secure the aircraft. The fact that the blades were still spinning while extending into traffic lanes is an obvious foreseeable danger. As you said, the pilot had a duty to warn traffic away from the hazard he created.
Roadway motorist have the right of way on a roadway. They are entitled to assume that the roadway is clear of aircraft and that there will not be low-visibility rotating hazards at vehicle height without any warning.
Okay, replace FAA with Brazil's ANAC and CTB and the laws are largely the same. Aircraft are not allowed to land on a roadway in anything less than an emergency. This was not an emergency.
This was a police helicopter helping with a vehicle checkpoint. It had been on the ground for 30 minutes and was preparing to take off. The investigation seems to have been mainly about what the helicopter pilots did wrong to cause the accident. Most of the recommendations seem to be about inadequate training and safety policies.
Third world countries don't usually require insurance so when there is a wreck/crash it's people just have to accept their vehicle is fucked and go on their way
Are you overseeing the fact that the helicopter is being operated in a residential / commercial parking lot, and not in a restricted area / helicopter pad?
Bruh … how do you not notice a helicopter on the road? And if you do how do you not notice the rotors are spinning? And if you do how do you not see the height of your vehicle won’t fit under? And if you do why don’t you stay clear?
No matter how you twist (or rotate) it – the truck driver is a freaking idiot
I don’t live wherever this is but I was taught that the stationary vehicle will generally not be at fault. It’s like crashing into a parked vehicle. You can argue that it shouldn’t have been parked there but you could and should have gone around it.
It’s should be even more cut and dried here. You don’t expect a helicopter to be on the road so slow right down. Give it as much space as possible. If you’re not sure, stop, get out and check or ask the pilot to guide you around.
The helicopter is a special case and not just any parked vehicle. First of all, flight and aircraft laws apply to it. It was quite certainly illegal to land there and keep the blades spinning.
So this might be a case of who fucked up more: the pilot who decided to land on a road, decided to not secure the dangerous area and risked exactly that happening or the driver of the truck who "only" collided with the likely badly visible blades?
Sure the driver made a mistake, but the pilot made a way bigger one.
The entire drivetrain of the helicopter is toast. Rotor blades, rotor hub, mast, gearbox, engine... It's all scrap metal now. Plus the airframe might be damaged beyond repair.
It's probably a couple million bucks turned to dust there.
I wonder where the liability lands on this one?
On one hand, you've got a moving vehicle colliding with a stationary vehicle, which usually makes things pretty clear-cut.
On the other hand, I don't think it's too unreasonable that the truck driver didn't see or realize the blades were in his way, and it seems unusual that there wasn't anyone blocking traffic.
I give the truck driver a pass. They landed it in the roadway and you don’t typically have to worry about clearance between your vehicle and helicopter blades when you’re driving in the roadway
I guess they will have start teaching you to avoid helicopters in traffic when taking a driverslicence from now on
I wouldn't. It's not like he doesn't see or hear the helicopter. It's VERY obvious. Going about your day like it doesn't exist requires an impressive lack of brain cells
I don't think you typically have to worry about clearance between your vehicle and ANY kind of flying vehicle when you are driving on the roadway.
Stfu use your head if a helicopter is in the road obvious give it clearance if the blades are on
Helicopters shouldn’t be in the road unless there is a serious injury that requires airlift and by then the scene would be cleared and wouldn’t have to worry about that. But this isn’t the US obviously
Yes, but in the rare circumstances that they are in the road, it should be pretty obvious that you should not approach them.
The truck does not get a pass, they shouldn't have gone anywhere near the helicopter. If they landed there in an emergency, there wouldn't be any blockades etc-- you should not need those to have something in your brain tell you not to approach.
Genuinely, this is what used to be referred to as common sense.
But we need warnings on plastic bags not to put them over our heads.
Most of us don't.
It’s legal to land in the road for non-energy reasons, in many places.
Well no shit captain obvious.
Someone is grumpy today
Nah its just common sense man come tf on. Pause at 6 secs look how much clearance the box truck had
For real, if a helicopter was in the road I would just stop and try to figure out why. Wouldn't even come close to it.
Might be a fairly normal thing for them though idk.
It's almost certainly the helicopter pilot's fault.
The FAA guidelines say that may land away from airports ONLY when it can be done safely and public roadways are NOT approved landing zones because it creates an obvious hazard. If the helicopter landed for any reason other than an emergency, that would be a strong case for negligence.
Even then, once on the ground, the pilot has a duty to secure the aircraft. The fact that the blades were still spinning while extending into traffic lanes is an obvious foreseeable danger. As you said, the pilot had a duty to warn traffic away from the hazard he created.
Roadway motorist have the right of way on a roadway. They are entitled to assume that the roadway is clear of aircraft and that there will not be low-visibility rotating hazards at vehicle height without any warning.
Thank you for scratching that itch 🙏
FAA?
This is clearly not the U.S.
Also it could have been an emergency landing. You’re just making things up.
Okay, replace FAA with Brazil's ANAC and CTB and the laws are largely the same. Aircraft are not allowed to land on a roadway in anything less than an emergency. This was not an emergency.
This was a police helicopter helping with a vehicle checkpoint. It had been on the ground for 30 minutes and was preparing to take off. The investigation seems to have been mainly about what the helicopter pilots did wrong to cause the accident. Most of the recommendations seem to be about inadequate training and safety policies.
https://aerossurance.com/helicopters/collision-truck-police-as350/
I stand corrected. Without a link it seemed you were jumping to a lot of conclusions about why and for how long the helicopter was there.
100% the helicopter pilot and crew’s fault.
Duder, it's awesome to see someone come back and acknowledge they were wrong instead of the usual double down or go ghost.
Definitely the copter because "you cant park there mate"
Third world countries don't usually require insurance so when there is a wreck/crash it's people just have to accept their vehicle is fucked and go on their way
Are you overseeing the fact that the helicopter is being operated in a residential / commercial parking lot, and not in a restricted area / helicopter pad?
I actually don't think that's a parking lot at all.
But regardless, that doesn't answer the question.
How do you not see a helicopter? Haha
Helo was seen; them spinnin’ blades? Likely not. 💯 the helo pilot’s fault.
If your immediate reaction to seeing a helicopter isn't to give it a wide berth, then I don't know what to tell ya
The only time it’s not always the truck drivers fault is when it’s a pilot’s fault
Looks like the chopper is double parked.
Obligatory "You can't park there"
I have so many questions...
Why the fuck would you drive not by buy into a helicopter? Your a truck take up other lane if necessary , say no to the spinning thing ?
It’s “helicopter 101” to have a secured LZ (landing zone).
Can't land that there mate.
Bruh … how do you not notice a helicopter on the road? And if you do how do you not notice the rotors are spinning? And if you do how do you not see the height of your vehicle won’t fit under? And if you do why don’t you stay clear?
No matter how you twist (or rotate) it – the truck driver is a freaking idiot
Very very smart people.🤣👍👌
This should be posted in the what could go wrong sub if it hasn't been already
Someone should have told the helicopter pilot you can’t park there.
Can't park there mate.
I don’t live wherever this is but I was taught that the stationary vehicle will generally not be at fault. It’s like crashing into a parked vehicle. You can argue that it shouldn’t have been parked there but you could and should have gone around it. It’s should be even more cut and dried here. You don’t expect a helicopter to be on the road so slow right down. Give it as much space as possible. If you’re not sure, stop, get out and check or ask the pilot to guide you around.
The helicopter is a special case and not just any parked vehicle. First of all, flight and aircraft laws apply to it. It was quite certainly illegal to land there and keep the blades spinning. So this might be a case of who fucked up more: the pilot who decided to land on a road, decided to not secure the dangerous area and risked exactly that happening or the driver of the truck who "only" collided with the likely badly visible blades? Sure the driver made a mistake, but the pilot made a way bigger one.
Ooopsie daises.
That’s what one calls a cluster fuck.
Can’t park there, mate
At least a few hundred dollars for a new blade, and an alignment job...
I know you're being sarcastic here, but...
The entire drivetrain of the helicopter is toast. Rotor blades, rotor hub, mast, gearbox, engine... It's all scrap metal now. Plus the airframe might be damaged beyond repair.
It's probably a couple million bucks turned to dust there.
Only in india
Tbf I don't think "how to navigate around helicopters" is part of their highway code
That will definitely not buff out
Can’t park there mate.
r/helicopterfuckingacar
Hmmm who is at fault here? Genuinely curious
The truck driver is a special kinda stupid!!!!
Which Third World country is this in? Probably Mexico….
And then drives off hahaha
How fukin stupid can you be !???
That does look expensive
What a dick!
Helicopter was obeying the stop sign, but it was in the bike lane and that's a big no-no.