And that's every man age 18-120. If we filter out some age range, filter out the ones that already have a child/children (Kail said multiple times that she would never date someone that already has a kid, she'd always be their first baby mama), filter out white guys.... This number will shrink significantly.

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It’s so weird to see this. Cate, Ty, and Kail all seem to have regressed so much. They all seemed so positive and realistic and hopeful as teenagers. They had great goals for themselves and Kail at least really seemed to put in the work to try to achieve them. Her biggest downfall is that she needs serious therapy to figure out how to work through her fear of abandonment/neglect and desperation for love in any way she can find it (it’s why she’s a cheater and jumps from one baby daddy to the next immediately, and why she’s had so many children… trying to fill that void). C&T just needed to get the fuck away from their unhinged, unhealthy family members and probably out of MI all together. They’re so codependent because they have NEVER really had anyone else on their side. They don’t know any different and cling to the one person who sticks it out with them.

Jenelle and Amber have always been a mess, they’ve gotten progressively worse through the years, but that’s not surprising when they’ve never actually, proactively addressed and gotten a handle on their mental health or worked to improve themselves.

Leah and Chelsea have had their share of issues and had a LOT of growing up to do, but it appears that they have and that they continue to work at the happy, healthy lives they want for themselves and their children (and in their defense, I can’t imagine all the dumb shit I did as a teen/young adult being broadcast on national television - it’s cringey and painful enough that I have to remember it, I can’t imagine people all over the world remembering it, much less watching it over again at any time).

Maci seems to have just stagnated for a long time and now with this whole Ryan/Amanda thing started to really regress. I think she’s incredibly unhappy which has led to her (alleged) drinking problem and this weird throuple with Ryan and Amanda. I have no idea what Taylor is like behind closed doors, but he seems like such a genuinely good guy that I don’t understand why she puts more effort into her relationship with Ryan and his family than she does Taylor and THEIR family.

Farrah is… Farrah. I have empathy for her because I think her parents REALLY messed her up (amplified by Derek’s death). But she’s also a massive, self-absorbed, bitch… so it’s hard to have a ton of compassion for her.

I think Bri has always had a good head on her shoulders and managed to be relatively mature given her age at the time. I still think she’s a decently intelligent, mature parent who loves and prioritizes her children (mostly, there were a few poor decisions in there). Her downfall is the coven. If she didn’t have her sister and her mom in her ear all the time I think she’d be better off.

Mackenzie has made a ton of progress now that she’s out from under the thumb of her cult-like religious mother and abusive POS Josh. She’s had to unlearn a lot of awful mindsets given to her from the culture she grew up in and I think she finally is. I still think her IVF pregnancy was a massively stupid and dangerous decision, but I’m happy for them all that everything went well and her husband now seems like a good and loving partner and parent from what I’ve seen (which isn’t a ton, just clips).

I think it’s a huge sign of the level of parentification they went thru as children.

Javi called it and she finally woke up

She sprung on his 🍆.

I know a couple girls in my life, that keep going back to the same piece of trash. All because they throw good🍆’

She could have done that after Joe, but no. She's a narcissist and only thinks of herself and her needs, not her children's needs. She continues the cycle her mother did, she's EXACTLY like Suzie minus the booze..drags multiple men around her children. When will it stop? She's a true blue narcissist, and she will NEVER take accountability for her actions on what her sex addiction is doing to these 7 children!!!!!! I have zero sympathy for her... but my heart bleeds for these children and their mental state.. After the second child was enough for lesson learned!