Please point me to those comps, or guides, with some detail. I'm told they exist but never what they are. No Prismatic traits or 3* 4 costs. Thank you.
Notably 2-star t-hex with either a 3* Caitlin pilot, or the superior life force module, I don’t think simply 2* t-hex with Cait 2 pilot and drill will be enough, but as with anything in tft, depends on the spot.
sure but that’s like saying “i beat it using bilgewaters” and by “bilgewaters” you mean “i have MF, TK, and naut on the board while lucian/senna is doing 90% of the damage”, or maybe more accurately, “i beat it using yordles” and the only yordles on the board are ziggs and poppy
yeah if we’re differentiating 5 cost soups, but if i said “my yordles board beat baron” when i really meant “my 5 cost soup with ziggs and poppy beat baron” that would be a little silly, no?
None have a favorable matchup. By design, 2 star Baron + other 5 costs is supposed to be the strongest board in the game, all else equal. However, if you are ahead in tempo or Econ, the void player can easily get to a point where they have just 2 star Baron (no or few other upgrades) and no Econ and low health and these boards are very punishable by any board with many strong 2 star legendaries. Or even if the Baron player hit void upgrades but haven’t yet had the time to pivot out of the shitter void units into good legendaries down from 6 void, that’s another way you can win. Or if they have bad items on baron. But the real answer is that if they hit baron most of the time by design they will win out. Your job as a lobby is to push tempo to make it hard or impossible for them to stabilize on 8 enough to go 10.
Yes once you 2 star the 5 costs. At 1 star 9 void trait is better, at 2 star 5 costs are better. But in practice you have enough gold to 2 star 5 costs and hit 2 star baron in like 0.001% of games
Ideally, yes. It's pretty much always a higher cap to drop out of part of a vertical trait to put in better units unless you hit a prismatic vertical. There are a few other circumstances where it might be fine as well like if you have Little Buddies augment.
Getting a 2* baron in a typical lobby is the highest you'll cap out at. In high tempo lobbies with prismatic augments you have the capacity to cap much higher, and that means you have the gold to not only hit 10, 2* baron but also the gold to move out of void and buy better and much more expensive units. Essentially the highest cap boards in the game use variants of the 5 cost soup, and the strongest units in the game are baron and ryze as the capstone 7 costs. Utilizing those units + typical legendary soup will always be the strongest boards in the game outside of prismatic traits and 3* 4/5 costs
You instant drop to 6 void by putting in 5 costs. Some boards even drop to 4 void using only rift,baron and cho though thats only after you get senna 2 /voli 2 to hold Kaisa items.
They do. In low elos it does feel kinda bad since if they hit baron 2 you’re probably just going 2nd. But that’s fine you’re still climbing and eventually the void players will really start to struggle especially if it’s contested. After the c patch void fell off a lot in skilled play cause you need to roll a lot more to stabilize on 8
Yeah my question is what units specifically with what builds can take him down in time. I can rush 9 throw 5 cost soup on the board and put good items on good units but they only have 8-13 seconds to get to and kill him before the board disappears.
i recently beat a 2* baron with a lvl 10 6 arcanist board. i put my sylas in the back line so that way he could focus nash. the garen execute ability on sylas is the best chance you can to kill Baron early. The rest of the 9 void board didn’t have enough damage to get through my Tibbers afterward. here’s game vod just skip towards to end to see the final fights
Ideally by the time they reach 2 star baron, you should have a capped version of your board involving 2 star five costs. You’re usually cooked otherwise. Your best bet would be to knock them out before they 2 star it
Comps with good single target dps. I beat it with Draven+Ahri reroll before and it wasn't too difficult. I wouldn't really say that's a crazy high cap comp either.
Just beat 2* baron with BiS items using tryn/ashe but you HAVE to start stacking them at stage 2. If you don’t have tryn online by the end of stage 2 then don’t even bother
2* t-hex
Infinity/Hoj/Stridebreaker?
2 adaptive helms and an IE and trust.
ie + sb +1(db, gs, qss)
people seem to agree qss is bait and any damage or hoj is better.
I find myself placing red buff and last whisper on him too in place of db ahead of finding Senna/having enough swords for db
Notably 2-star t-hex with either a 3* Caitlin pilot, or the superior life force module, I don’t think simply 2* t-hex with Cait 2 pilot and drill will be enough, but as with anything in tft, depends on the spot.
I just beat baron 2* yesterday with shadow isles (only kalista thresh) and capped out with stuff like lucian ornn sett shyvana fiddle
I also beat baron 2* with shadow isles recently, but by shadow isles I mean Ornn 3*.
otherwise it's really not a comp that caps higher than baron 2* unless you're highrolling extremely hard.
so by “shadow isles” you mean “5 cost soup with a kalista”
You don't really get thresh without playing through shadow isles though tbf
sure but that’s like saying “i beat it using bilgewaters” and by “bilgewaters” you mean “i have MF, TK, and naut on the board while lucian/senna is doing 90% of the damage”, or maybe more accurately, “i beat it using yordles” and the only yordles on the board are ziggs and poppy
that’s just this set man. if every single comp caps around 5 cost soup you have to differentiate them by the way you get there.
yeah if we’re differentiating 5 cost soups, but if i said “my yordles board beat baron” when i really meant “my 5 cost soup with ziggs and poppy beat baron” that would be a little silly, no?
I cant get shadow isles to work outside viego augment. What do you do?
Commenting because I'm curious too
None have a favorable matchup. By design, 2 star Baron + other 5 costs is supposed to be the strongest board in the game, all else equal. However, if you are ahead in tempo or Econ, the void player can easily get to a point where they have just 2 star Baron (no or few other upgrades) and no Econ and low health and these boards are very punishable by any board with many strong 2 star legendaries. Or even if the Baron player hit void upgrades but haven’t yet had the time to pivot out of the shitter void units into good legendaries down from 6 void, that’s another way you can win. Or if they have bad items on baron. But the real answer is that if they hit baron most of the time by design they will win out. Your job as a lobby is to push tempo to make it hard or impossible for them to stabilize on 8 enough to go 10.
Are you supposed to drop void vertical after hitting baron? I've gotten baron 2 star twice, and both time I've gotten out capped.
Yes once you 2 star the 5 costs. At 1 star 9 void trait is better, at 2 star 5 costs are better. But in practice you have enough gold to 2 star 5 costs and hit 2 star baron in like 0.001% of games
Ideally, yes. It's pretty much always a higher cap to drop out of part of a vertical trait to put in better units unless you hit a prismatic vertical. There are a few other circumstances where it might be fine as well like if you have Little Buddies augment.
Does baron benefit from little buddies? It specifies 4/5 costs no?
Im not sure. I could've sworn Mort said they were only 7 cost in cost alone but otherwise abided by other 5 cost rules.
Yep pretty sure this is the case
Getting a 2* baron in a typical lobby is the highest you'll cap out at. In high tempo lobbies with prismatic augments you have the capacity to cap much higher, and that means you have the gold to not only hit 10, 2* baron but also the gold to move out of void and buy better and much more expensive units. Essentially the highest cap boards in the game use variants of the 5 cost soup, and the strongest units in the game are baron and ryze as the capstone 7 costs. Utilizing those units + typical legendary soup will always be the strongest boards in the game outside of prismatic traits and 3* 4/5 costs
You instant drop to 6 void by putting in 5 costs. Some boards even drop to 4 void using only rift,baron and cho though thats only after you get senna 2 /voli 2 to hold Kaisa items.
I hope as I climb the ranks people go for higher tempo comps then.
They do. In low elos it does feel kinda bad since if they hit baron 2 you’re probably just going 2nd. But that’s fine you’re still climbing and eventually the void players will really start to struggle especially if it’s contested. After the c patch void fell off a lot in skilled play cause you need to roll a lot more to stabilize on 8
5 cost soup babeeeeee
I've had pretty solid success with yunara ryze comps
2* Baron is not unbeatable. In fact, u can beat it with most lv9 soup comp.
Like 5% of the things that are "guarenteed wins" actually are that. This isn't one of the 5%
Yeah my question is what units specifically with what builds can take him down in time. I can rush 9 throw 5 cost soup on the board and put good items on good units but they only have 8-13 seconds to get to and kill him before the board disappears.
well even lv 9 soup can be beaten by another lv 9 soup, it's not rocket science
i recently beat a 2* baron with a lvl 10 6 arcanist board. i put my sylas in the back line so that way he could focus nash. the garen execute ability on sylas is the best chance you can to kill Baron early. The rest of the 9 void board didn’t have enough damage to get through my Tibbers afterward. here’s game vod just skip towards to end to see the final fights
Super helpful, thanks!
But 9 void isn’t the highest cap. I think the highest cap is like 4 void + swain + bunch of 5 costs
I did smoke the vertical void with a crazy ixtal cashout it made my inner gambler come out
Ideally by the time they reach 2 star baron, you should have a capped version of your board involving 2 star five costs. You’re usually cooked otherwise. Your best bet would be to knock them out before they 2 star it
Comps with good single target dps. I beat it with Draven+Ahri reroll before and it wasn't too difficult. I wouldn't really say that's a crazy high cap comp either.
I just smoked 2* baron with fast 9 Ionia 5 with a silver sett. Hoj, JG, and strikers flail.
Any meta comps can beat any other meta comps rn I’m pretty sure. Maybe except top 4 comps like demacia
Just beat 2* baron with BiS items using tryn/ashe but you HAVE to start stacking them at stage 2. If you don’t have tryn online by the end of stage 2 then don’t even bother
Recently beat it with a Yunara/Ryze lvl 10 board. They clear the other void champs and just gang up on Baron
Most 5-cost cap comps can beat it, unless they go down void to also play 5-costs. But they're normally too poor to do it immediately.
The yunara/ryze/kindred/volibear board can go pretty hard. It spikes at 9 but if you high roll enough to 2 star all of those you are sitting pretty
most capped 5 cost boards beat 9 void with a baron 2
baron 2 with surrounding 2* 5 costs beats most standard capped boards
2 baron 2s with surrounding 5 costs beats that
and 2 2 star brocks beats that
Trynda beat my 2* T-Hex..
Another max capped 5 costs board but with combat augments. Baron comps usually go heavy on econ augments with little combat.
Beat it with 8 stacked yordles, tho Fizz 3 was MOST of the reason he died. Got good positioning, and he was dead in a couple hits.
Beat both 2* nash and thex yesterday with ashe trynd. Was a pretty highroll game though from me, trynd had 160% stacked.
i can tell you that brocks dont work against a bron with THIEFS GAUNTLETS!!!! lol
i lost to the void, but won against the demacia guy. however the game decided to match me 3 times against the void guy from 6-1 to 6-5
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