I am a musician and songwriter of 40 years and I just made the decision to join and use Suno. I have read a lot of reddits in this group and really hear the passion to make AI music. Kudos to you all. For people who don't play instruments, it is great to hear how every Suno user is enjoying creating music and finally have a way to turn their lyrics into music.
For experienced musicians, this really is an adjustment and I know a lot of musicians are boobooing AI music saying that it is not real music, yada yada yada. I am not one of them and really enjoy the AI process. I have written and produced over 150 songs the traditional pre-AI way and still, I enjoy Suno. I am basically typing into the prompt the descriptions of my past music from over the years and using AI to update my sound.
Some background: I grew up in the 80s listening to Van Halen, Journey and even Donna Summer. My songwriting style is stuck in that era. I'm actually sick of the music I'm coming out with because it all sounds like the '80s which is 40 years ago. I am now using suno to feed in my music and to help me update the songs that I've written and produced into today's modern rock sound.
You may be reading posts from musicians who play multiple instruments, write their own lyrics, and produce their music through traditional way by editing, arranging, mixing, mastering. They'll tell you AI music it's not real because most people using AI are simply typing in a prompt and hitting a download button. Just ignore them. Do what you're doing and what makes you happy. Don't listen to any of them. You're now a real music creator. AI is your instrument.
Just as a side note, for those of you who do not play any musical instruments, there really is a genuine satisfaction to playing at least one musical instrument. For me it's a piano but I also play other instruments as well.
I'm actually starting a podcast to help AI musicians and get exposure for their music.
I have questions from everybody and I would love some answers in your replies.
Here they are:
Is there any chance that music created with AI platforms like Suno can repeat the music among other users that make songs that sound alike? That's one of my big worries. Or is every composition made with suno? Or is every composition made with Suno different from every other one?
What's the average number of credits in a song using version 5 and the upgraded plan of suno takes? Right now I'm using the free plan and thinking of upgrading and each song can I create uses five credits and they still sound amazing. Although I hear that the average is 20 to 50 credits per song.
I would welcome you to join several Discords like the AI Underground, AI Umbrella and AI writers group as a start!
Thanks
Yes this! So much fun!
Warm welcome! On the credits per song, it can really vary and the more you use it the higher your standards might get - it is easy to spend 250 to 500 creds to get exactly what you want but also equally possible to get something great after 40 or 50.
I would say that if users are less detailed with their prompts, then Sumo tends to default to a particular type of sound so what I find is that yeah you can get a lot stuff that sounds similar. I'm not sure about sounding the same though as in recycling vocal and instrumental sections across different tracks. So I would say unique enough for people to not think you are listening to the same stuff when listening to a bunch of music from AI music creators.
I find if you go in with more detail and sculpt your songs, you can get a pretty 'unique' sound that sounds different to what others are making.
You can actually do more than just add words into a style prompt box. You can add additional instructions around your lyrics so you can change things up whenever you want to bring in something particular, like bring in backing vocals, solos, instruct additional vocalists to come in where you want them to, like in a duet. I've had success doing that.
So you can actually really shape your track more than just writing out a general prompt. This helps the music become more your own, and different to what others are creating.
Also thanks for coming here and getting involved 👍
Thanks, that's great!
Your well considered treatise shows a passion for individually-created music regardless of origins. I sincerely applaud your sincerity. I'm from an even older era with a few hundred songs having flowed from my pen and guitar these past fifty years. I have spent thousands of dollars and countless months of effort in professional music studios such as Beaird Music Group in Nashville and others in Oregon. My Horse Cactus Music catalog contains over 20 commercially engineered songs solely of my own creation, the demos of which were produced solo on my Presonus Studio One Pro + DAW. I feel like that's sort of like paying my dues. The overwhelming gift of Suno into my productive songwriting product has been life affirming. For about a month I've used the Premium v5 plan and have enjoyed nothing but what i consider to be success after learning the rudiments.
Trying to summarize, let's call it
Hybrid Narrative-Driven Composition Framework
Since it understands chord progressions, rhythmic patterns, and styles, it can fuse them, add temporality, and build hierarchy — so something like baroque chamber × waltz × tarantella → baroque full orchestra actually works if the prompt is rich enough. The key is giving it a narrative that can be expressed through imagery.
If you describe riding a high-rail train through a cyber-city, clouds drifting around you, flying cars rushing past, it leans directly into that atmosphere.
Baroque-Driven Structural Toolkit
To guide its musical choices, everything is framed with a baroque-derived architecture: fixed ground bass, layered construction, and a hybrid rhythmic engine.
Genre Wrapper
Progressive trance × tech trance, 133 BPM, plus steering constraints to avoid clichés, with negative prompts
Structural Layout
[Intro | 16 bars]
Atmospheric pad, Passacaglia bass enters
[Build 1 | 8 bars]
Pad continues, kick appears, sub-pulse starts
[Build 2 | 8 bars]
Mid-bass layers join, groove tightens
[Build 3 | 8 bars]
Filtered arp fades in, call-and-response bass
[Theme A | 16 bars]
Main arp at full strength, complete bassline
[Build 4 | 8 bars]
Arp filter opens, intensity grows
[Theme B | 16 bars]
Supersaw lead enters, arp continues underneath
[Breakdown | 16 bars]
Pads + minimal harmony, bass drops out
[Build 5 | 8 bars]
Kick returns, bass rebuilds layer-by-layer
[Build 6 | 8 bars]
Full riser, maximum tension
[Drop 1 | 16 bars]
Full drive: kick + bass + arp + supersaw
[Theme A + B | 16 bars]
Both themes combined, peak energy
[Breakdown 2 | 16 bars]
Emotional pads, sparse melodic line
[Build 7 | 8 bars]
Final buildup
[Drop 2 | 16 bars]
Euphoric climax, all layers active
[Outro | 16 bars]
Layers gradually removed
[Fade | 8 bars]
Pad + long reverb tail
Summary
This method opens the door to fully cross-style, hybrid, narrative-driven compositions. It’s a different workflow from traditional writing — free movement between genres, pattern systems, harmonic frameworks, and even literary cues.
https://suno.com/song/d9014296-f84c-4893-8535-56c5b50e17ca
ps. also checked the prioritization ( ↑ vs ↓) — so it does matter, string vs bass, ten ten renders, typical ones from both groups
just the intros
[Style: baroque] [Mood: Elegant, Decadent, Bittersweet] [Texture: cathedral reverb, aristocratic, legato strings ] [Intro | 16 bars] (instrumental - minimal strings↓, building atmosphere↓, bass↑. kick↑, synthetized elements↑.) [Build | 8 bars] (layered strings↓, more reverbo bass↓, kick↑., synthetized elements↑.) [Verse 1 | 16 bars] https://suno.com/song/6dc31556-6593-4452-b7eb-4ac4e8aff4fb
vs
[Style: baroque] [Mood: Elegant, Decadent, Bittersweet] [Texture: cathedral reverb, aristocratic, legato strings ] [Intro | 16 bars] (instrumental - minimal strings↑, building atmosphere↑, bass↓. kick↓., synthetized elements↓.) [Build | 8 bars] (layered strings↑, more reverbo bass↑, kick↓., synthetized elements↓.) [Verse 1 | 16 bars] [Whispers]
https://suno.com/song/780771c9-405b-416e-876c-ff1ac1156b83
prompt was single trance, seems it can be heavily modified by style meta [Style: baroque]
This song doesn’t follow the structure you fed it. It’s also 135 Bpm not 133. The bassline doesn’t do what you’ve described in this prompt, it’s largely a pedal note that doesn’t ’call and respond’ at all. Wheres the 9/8 groove?
Suno isn’t understanding most of what you think it is
it gets scattered across renders, sometimes it's there sometimes it's not, don't take this too seriously yet, roughly 75% is the power of the narrative, the rest is like 50-50 in the remaining 25%
also the genre, or rather the fusion of them, plus the basic patterns/schemes inherited from the core elements of those genres, that's pretty stable, you can't really work against that, only with negative prompts at best
so it's still worth including them, but it's pointless to rely on them too heavily
‘No piano’. Piano very clearly a major part of the final section of the arrangement.
I reckon your prompt is placebo nonsense. Suno does not understand what you’re telling it. It doesn’t even know how to measure bars for you. It just knows trance has sections of 8/16 and where those most commonly go.
So again where’s the baroque and 9/8 groove if the style fusion works so well?
check it you too
bitwig wave
https://i.ibb.co/N2TJVS5Y/Screenshot-2025-12-09-at-23-26-16.png
left right left, right left right, left right
4/4 time signature, BPM 80
percussion only, clean, dry
no vocals, no melody, no bass, no synth, no pads, no reverb, no delay, no effects, no music, no harmony, no chords, no arps, no fills, no cymbals, no hi-hats, no snare rolls, no kick variations, no swing, no shuffle, no humanize, no variation, no dynamics
https://suno.com/song/b88fd632-fed3-4df7-a5d7-537dbb13e38a
vs
left right left, right left right, left right left
9/8 time signature, BPM 80
percussion only, clean, dry
no vocals, no melody, no bass, no synth, no pads, no reverb, no delay, no effects, no music, no harmony, no chords, no arps, no fills, no cymbals, no hi-hats, no snare rolls, no kick variations, no swing, no shuffle, no humanize, no variation, no dynamics
https://suno.com/song/c86dc780-5433-4ceb-81fa-1e969b1f3e26
Now that Suno has reached the point where it could at least choose a different groove render for a given genre ... even though it could
Thank you for this! The song is great, the instructions equally great.
So many words, but it doesn't sound that much different from typical electronic music to me
That is very very useful. Very many thanks
Try it out and see it’s not actually useful. It took like two points from that entire prompt. The rest is nonsense.
Although there's a lot that can be done to create variations, there can also be a lot more similar/generic music if you don't use your original audio. Since you have songs from the past (assuming they won't show up as copyrighted -and thus unusable- on Suno), you can upload that audio and dial up or down how much you want to stick to the original audio VS your style prompts.
I've had some songs as low as 30 credits and some that were several hundred. I always use some level of original audio though, it doesn't matter how simple (or even stupid) the song is, I need the extra layer of external input to make it work.
Okay thanks, this is really encouraging for me to know. My music is copyrighted but I do own the copyrights obviously. So is there a way to tell suno this?
I know of no way to communicate that with Suno. All of our original work is copyrighted by default, but if your music isn't registered with ASCAP, BMI, SEASAC etc... and there's no high-profile database that knows about it.... you're probably golden. Put it in and see what happens.
Just curious, are you thinking of the montary side of things?
As a musician (primarily bass, but also some guitar and violin), I have found Suno to be a lot of fun in developing song ideas or taking old riffs and moving them to the next stage. I’ve also been an open format DJ for 30 years, so exposure to multiple Top 40 genres over nearly every decade and I’ve found that there are some overlaps in sound style, but I’ve never get it fully rip anything off yet.
I will say that (like with and AI prompt) the more you can tell it you want, in the language it understands then you’ll get better songs (google it and you’ll see how it structures “lyrics” and “styles” — and ignores a lot of it).
I bought the highest tier pro version two kk the ago to access Stems and Studio. Far from perfect, but the ability to remix small parts of the songs is great. Then to take them to a DAW and work further is fun too.
I only wish they would deliver the stems and midi automatically, rather than a final/single audio file. I would pay more for cleaner sounding versions that I don’t have to separate. In fact, Logic Pro does a slightly better sounding job at separation, but you can’t get as many instruments from it.
As far as credits — unless you are producing garbage nonstop, I’d suspect that the 10,000 you’d get on the top tier plan is way more than enough. I’ve got 7 compete songs and still over 8,000 for the month.
Just remember, come January things will likely change with the recent Warner Music partnership. Not sure how it affects annual memberships yet.
Thanks for your insight. I'm going to try the upgraded version to see how it goes. I'm not sure if I'm going to need the stems or not. You're always good to have.
Keep in mind that Logic or Fadr (or half a dozen other apps) can also generate stems. Logic does it better, in my honest opinion.
However, if you intend to use anything generated beyond personal use, you’ll need a paid account per the terms and conditions. Give that a read or search about it. It’s also spelled out pretty well in their FAQ.
"Is there any chance that music created with AI platforms like Suno can repeat the music among other users...."
I take it you mean music created using more traditional means i.e human written? If so I present to you Don't send me an angel
A certain part of that song sounds very familiar lol, and honestly it's one of the reasons I don't monetize the songs.
Thanks I'll listen to it
Of all of them I know in person, "real musicians" aren't really butthurt about AI. In fact they are the ones that are most amazed at the nuances they expect it could never do.
I don't enjoy playing the piano any less since AI hit the scene. I still feel it all the same. Even crazier - I've played the piano far more ever since I started using SUNO. It's so damn fun and I just keep going where writers block or "I don't feel like it" would have stopped the show before. And when I stopped before, getting back into it was way less likely to happen. I could put it off for days, weeks, or months sometimes never finishing a song I mean too.
Most musicians that stick it out beyond school all get a "high" from listening to music. I suspect it is people that are incapable of getting this high that are anti-AI. To many people AI is a social badge, not actually melody, harmony, and rhythm.
It's an actual thing, look it up. Some people cannot and will never get that dopamine hit from a chord progression or any musical element. It's kind of theory about where the AI divide comes from.
Fellow metalhead!
1st question: It is possible, not very improbable, because AI models tend to go towards and "average". If you're worried about that, you're basically safe if you have any input at all into the creation process through your own recorded sounds, be it a guitar intro or something else that would wildly alter the final result.
2nd question: In my opinion Suno is very hit or miss with rock and metal in general unless you're going for very generic "alt rock" or "post grunge" sounds, otherwise it can get a little confused, specially with raspy vocals, turning them into radio static. For me, I like to try lots of things and hop into studio to add backing vocals, layer some instruments, etc. So, for me it takes about 150~300 credits for a nice song from beginning to end.
If you're wondering why I use so many credits, here's my workflow: Generate a full song multiple times (usually 10 or more variations) > Extract stems > Change some parts with my own recordings > Export and remix (usually multiple remixes too) > Extract stems again > Redo some instruments/vocals > Add anything else
I would say remixing your final song is very important, as it gets rid of any weird "voice morphs" and things like that, since the model has a concrete style from the base song.
My dude, I am also a musician. 12 notes. 4 minutes. Songs are going to inevitability sound alike given enough time. Nothing is truly free from influence, and everything is some degree of derivative. AI just amps this up to 100 and obscures the result so heavily that no one could possibly tell.
Yes, exactly! It's ok that you have no talent, or skill, or creativity. Just block out the haters, you don't need to develop creative talents when an amazing tool like AI can do it for you!
Dickhead
What have you accomplished let's see bro. Drop your links and let's see how you roll with those "skills and creativity."
I dump thousands into lots of my songs. Not that they are any better for it! Just how I roll :)
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