I have always been aware of the overwhelming number of people who have hated AI music.
I can understand both sides of the argument.
But I will say that for a person with no music production knowledge and severe health problems. (Usually I'm seriously ill or chronically fatigued). It is a positive thing.
A tool of empowerment, that allows me to work through some of my trauma and depression.
It might seem lazy or uncreative to lots of people. But I find it fun. And it improves my quality of life.
Also it's cheaper than w$$d 😅.
What about you guys?
Hate and polarization are the constants of our time in general. Empathy died!
Empathy wasn't profitable. Hate and polarization generate algorithmic engagement.
Facts
Yes, Zuckerburger is Happy!
Im a lifer, ive played cello, guitar, bass, and drums. Started playing instruments and music at 7 years old. I think Ai music is awesome! Haters gonna hate, let em.
I'm so happy you can still play. Never take it for granted!
Not at all! I try my best to take good care of my hands (im a labor worker). Getting older i start to feel the aches more in my joints. Regardless i still play, its my favorite thing to do.
Played piano and used FL studios my whole life. When Ai music came to the scene I literally thought FINALLY. I don't have to waste time on the nitty gritty and I can just instantly generate cool sounding shit.
But also never made music for profit so I'm not beholden to the job loss argument.
We're birds of a feather you and I. I had a lot of experience with music and was a multi-instrumentalist but my neurological condition worsened until I couldn't play anymore. Suno is a lifeline for me. Trust me there are way more people who do not care how music was made than the people who are attacking AI at the moment. It will pass.
If they were the majority we wouldn't have gotten the #1 country song on spotify, we wouldn't get AI songs going viral all over tik tok. Normies don't care how the sausage gets made.
The technology is here and will never go away. The industry will use it so why can't we? A new generation will grow up with this being normal. I'm gonna keep making music and writing new songs and they can cry till their eyes hurt, I don't care. My song Bitter Hearts is about them, "they want to tear you down cause they never had the nerve to try, and chickens never fly." (Bitter Hearts, it's light hearted sassy synth pop for anyone who ever got bullied about sharing what they make- https://suno.com/s/uQvoCOg6DCF7S8g2 )
Another bird here. 7 surgeries related to nerves and the damage done. I can still play a guitar but it's not physically possible to be what I once was. My songs might as well be therapy sessions.
I'm proud of you for continuing to create. Suno is quite literally adaptive technology for us.
Right back at you! I'm in good shape now honestly. Been 2 years since last surgery, nothing else to be done. Can still work, still have a normal day to day life. I just won't ever have 100% of the strength and dexterity I once did and I'm ok with that.
I'm happy to hear how much you still have!
It's cool to hear that it helps others like it does for me. Also
This made me lol 😆.
You have a fine character my fellow sick person and music lover 🥰
You're unbreakable. You show it by showing up every day and continuing to find ways to express yourself. The sun doesn't stop shining just because it's cloudy.
Agreed. It is a cheap hobby that is fun and satisfying
Its the hate that is making people not disclose when footage and music is AI. And what is awful now, even real footage and unreleased music from the 90s that been on YouTube for 15 years gets called AI now by random trolls.
The most insane technology ever conceived and a large chunk of humans can't even appreciate it.
Shits whack. Like seriously.
Imagine aliens come down and we start shitting on their anti-gravitity propulsion.... because "it's not a real spacecraft - we fly real spacecraft with fossil fuels."
I dont understand the people who come here because they hate ai..
Why would someone go on reddit and think, what do I hate? I should find a subreddit about that and join it!
Lol like dude, get a life.
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Maybe trying to understand the love for it?
I’m on your side, I just can’t get behind the idea of unlocking this kind of artistic expression for people who haven’t been trained in it being a bad thing.
I certainly understand the issues people have with it, but ultimately it just feels like a bunch of gatekeeping and “I had to suffer to be able to do this so everyone else should too” and I don’t understand that thinking at all. The strife all comes from a broken economic system. The fact that we’ve built a world where more art is a physical threat to artists is very upsetting.
More are is fine. Ai art is not art as usual. It is a resource and energy hog, and human beings are relying less on their own abilities. Traditional art engages the mind-body connection that builds age-defying neural networks. Healthy shit. A lot of ai users, however, seem to have little interest in challenging themselves in the same way and exploring their own abilities. Many farm out their thinking to ai responses, they farm out the "hard work" of creating music and art to ai--everything is about efficiency, volume, and in many cases, monetization. And many are using ai to create a world in which we cannot tell real from fake, and ai users increasingly want to pass off ai as traditional work. There are ethical considerations here, however uncomfortable they may be.
Further, I keep reading this argument that learning music is a hardship. Musicians don't "suffer" to become musically proficient--if it was that painful most of us wouldn't bother, because playing music is not remotely a mandatory life requirement.
We do it because challenging yourself and discovering the heights of your ability and skills is the highest high you can get. It's rewarding af. The whole manual creative process is a blast for traditional musicians, especially the nitty gritty granular bits those who cannot relate think is a slog.
I also have never understood what is being gatekept. A fundamental music education is wide open for absolutely everyone, and before the arts were defunded art and music were taught from nursery school through high school. Musicians WANT you to learn the skills, and always have. There are still very affordable non-profit community arts schools in many cities.
I get the sense you're thinking of "The Industry" as gatekept? I don't know any pro musicians outside serious A-level players who think about the industry as much as newly minted ai music generators do. The output from this platform makes some believe they're now competing with the best in the biz & know-how is no longer necessary. It's a fascinating phenomenon to witness.
I don't understand why "gatekeeping" is a bad word. There is a huge benefit to earning skills the right way. The way that takes time.
It isn't an overwhelming number it's a very vocal minority mostly contained to social media and likely fueled by corporate and foreign influence operations.
Ahh OK that explains a lot. I can't get out much these days, so all I'm seeing is the hate on socials.
That's why it seemed so one-sided to me
The people that hate ai music are artists who put in the work to make their tracks from scratch
Some are, most are not. You're also making the mistake of thinking musicians aren't making their songs from scratch and then covering those in Suno for various reasons which is one of the ways I myself use it.
Bingo.... I just started using Suno a few weeks ago. I took several of my old home demos and did covers of them for a polished production version. It kept my arrangements and vocal melodies almost perfect. I was also surprised that Suno actually copied two of my guitar solos almost note for note. I've been playing around with the stems in my daw and I'm going to put my vocals over the music as soon as I can.
I've grown tired of playing in local bands and music has become more of a hobby these days. I'm not in it for the money. It's just a tool to be more creative. It's also sparked in me a desire to start writing again.
If you can make it yourself why tie Suno’s name to it? It carries a heavy negative connotation to most people who know what it is
One reason is because Suno can do things I can't like sing in a gender I'm not. I made a lot of songs for my various bands over the years that had female vocalists, songs I'd still like to see done in a way that sounds polished and to my specs rather than the compromised versions I often had to make with a bunch of other cooks in the kitchen. I also have very little recording gear these days after selling it all for medical expenses, I'm down to a 10 year old laptop, a DI box and a few instruments, nothing professional sounding to my standards is coming out of my set up. What I can do however is record demos of songs and polish those with AI. I can break out the stems from that and further add, remove, edit whatever to produce iterations of the songs and run those iterations back through AI for polish again if need be. Typically I'll wind up with final songs that are fully my lyrics and composition with a mix of my own playing and AI elements. This is what you'd hear on this album of mine for example.
I don't care about the opinions of people with a negative view of AI music because most don't understand the process from the POV of a musician like myself and because I know my songs are made with my own creativity and skills. They please me to listen to and I've gotten a lot of positive reception from people who don't care one bit that AI was involved.
I can support this and respect it but do you also support the people that are posting music through a distributo fully generated by a prompt?
You mean the mediocre wanna-be artists.
You just made some stuff up because you don't want to believe most of society hates the idea of AI music
Most of society isn't even aware of current AI music tech nor can most people tell AI-involved music from any other music. Also if you think the industries and countries threatened by the rise of US AI aren't employing all means at their disposal to hamper it well that's kind of a nice, rosy, unrealistic view of things to have.
idk If I were one of the US many enemies, I would be investing in these tools since they obviously degrade our society.
And yeah, the conspiracy is that corporations are going up against? One of the most powerful companies in the US at the moment? You really feel like AI companies are the underdog here?
This is just pure delusional thinking, which seems increasingly common in all of these pro-ai subs lately.
Corporations want you to use AI music and to devalue artists. If labels can own the production and not have to pay artists or recording studios and own all the masters they'd be very happy. There's no problem with someone playing around with Suno or if you're disabled or whatever.
Well I actually am disabled but that's neither here nor there. You're not looking at the full scope of this stuff. Yes labels are gonna do what labels do. However where this also leads is musicians running free, open-source AIs locally with LoRas fine-tuned on their own music. And, while the labels continually enshittify their AI offerings as all scumbag corpos are want to do, the other options will be doing their thing unencumbered by those middle men and reaching fans.
Has anyone here actually been paying any attention to the music industry before the last five years? I thought there were industry professionals in this sub
Ableton was made by Artists for Artists. Artist owned software is not a new groundbreaking invention made possible by AI. It's been very much a big part of the industry for the entirety of this millennium. Artist made VSTs are in such abundance you can literally get them for free.
Everything commercially successful eventually gets bought out when there aren't enough legal protections in place to prevent corporate monopolies. It's a feature of the system, not a bug.
The music industry has been maintaining mammoth monopolies for decades and that isn't changing cause of AI and the latest decision in the Suno case acts as proof of this to anyone that has actually been paying attention.
Came here to say that.
Sure, there's going to be low-effort stuff made that floods the market. Sure, there are going to be bad actors in any system. Sure, there are ethical and legal concerns with how AI is trained.
But like..the people defending the big labels are wild for me. It's clear they know nothing about the industry and how much they've always fucked artists. But they were fine with that until AI, apparently.
Seeing Warners, Sony, Universal, et al painted as the underdog is utterly insane for me. Both in how they've all treated their artists (and still do) and indie labels.
That's what people don't understand outside the industry.
Working musicians (in groups) tend to make their money by performing, not recording. Session musicians and composers are going to be threatened — but let's not pretend that was ever all that meritocratic to begin with, or that producers haven't been trying to find a way around hiring them since time immemorial. Post-Rick Rubin, fewer were hired every year even before AI.
The industry's been broken forever. Even with AI's issues, I honestly have no sympathy for the labels. It's about time something made them nervous that wasn't the IRS, SEC, or FTC.
How would artists have open source AIs that could compete with a billion dollar industrys AI? And if the AI sound is associated with these labels, why would real artists want anything to do with that sound? If any artist I listen to used AI I would not listen to their music anymore. The fact that AI songs have reached the top of the charts means the labels have enough evidence to invest even more into owning the production through AI. This is bad for artists and bad for consumers. Again I don't mind it as a thing to play with or bounce ideas off of, but it's a disaster for the music industry.
A disaster for the music industry was Spotify, long before AIs like Suno came along.
There's hope, though: Underground, Independent music will always thrive. I'd even say, listeners of said music are the only ones who still buy songs/albums (via bandcamp for example).
And live concerts. AI can't perform live. And the more widespread AI music gets, the more people will crave music made and performed by humans.
What artist? No one is popular anymore
Yeah that's true! I couldn't name any popular artists from the last ten years. Oh yeah, except: Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, The Weekend, Drake, Justin Bieber, Tate McRae, Selena Gomez, Sabrina Carpenter, Chappell Roan, Kendrick Lamar, The 1975, Bad Bunny, Rosalia, Post Malone, Fred Again, Lil Baby, Raye, Olivia Dean, Tyla, Alex Warren, KATSEYE, Benson Boone, Bruno Mars, Teddy Swims, Tyler the Creator, Billie Eilish, Rosè, Ed Sheeran, Morgan Wallen, Charli XCX, etc.
100 percent correct but this comment gets left and completely ignored in every post in this sub
Edit: we even getting downvotes now but still no replies, what a surprise
Agreed. I said something similar before reading this comment.
I only hate the people who are uploading more albums in a few months than some prolific musicians would upload over their entire CAREER.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Aside from that, use Suno all you want
There is a certain group that thinks this is their path to making money selling music they didn't create. Like crypto, it's not going to work.
I do standup comedy.
If people used AI to write jokes and play AI clips of jokes and then argue that they should be called comedians, I'd probably laugh at their claims, but it won't kill my craft because my craft is primarily onstage, in front of a live audience. If there are people who pretend they're the ones who wrote the jokes even though AI did, I'd probably lose respect for them and then some.
Now if those same people started taking up stage time at mics, I'd probably be angrier because it will make it harder for actual comics to practice their craft.
So I treat AI music the same way. I'd make AI music for me. I'd share AI music to others but make sure they know it's AI music. I won't claim I'm a musician because of AI music. I wrote lyrics and that's as far as I'll claim credit for. I'll never try to use AI music to encroach live music spaces.
Yes, but not everyone who does something with music wants to be or is on stage... Imagine, there are so many producers behind the scenes that are not rappers, singers or instrumental players.
Yeah that's where it's different. Standup comedy is usually a one-person job and comics who have a team behind them is unusual at the very least.
ok, now think about how many TV shows need jokes written for them
I don't know, I don't watch comedy. But the person above claimed that he is not bothered by AI because he is live on stage which should be relevant to artists on stage.
I'm just saying the musician posting music online is the same as the comedy writer writing for TV/Movies/YT web series to give a comparable example
There are 'non live performing' stand up comedians
Non live 'stand up' comedians ?🤨
Checks username oh
not my fault you're incapable of realizing things you haven't thought of
Where do they stand then?
OK, I see where your coming from.
I only have my songs on suno and ai music related discords.
I don't go around dropping AI slop on every social out there. (I know plenty who do). But I suppose that's because I think of it as a hobby, and I get a really great feeling when I like the sound of a track.
Getting notifications of other people liking my suno tracks is just a bonus. Like an afterbuzz if you will
yeah this is the point where people hate.
Usually it's only a small window of AI creators as well, but they're so bold and brash about how they've 'cracked the code' and their 'creativity has been unlocked' when they're just pushing out simple prompts while not understanding basic musical concepts. The ones who brag about their 11th EP release in a month because they're so locked in. I could upload all of my Suno generations, many of them sound great, but I don't because they're not aligned with my artistic vision
Personally it sets me off when I see people upload multiple generations of the same track. When I see a Spotify link and it's three or four versions of the same basic idea, that screams laziness and inability to evaluate your own content, which is a basic editing idea in all artistic forms of creation. Learn to align your vision and Suno outputs is a learned skill that all artists must understand, musicians composing manually are constantly having to decide what is the 'best' form of a melody, riff, rhythm, etc.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents
The AI music hate is towards platform flooders, which devalues the true artists craft. Because a decent song to make can take up month, and still this doesn't mean someone will discover it, whilst the AI slop makes 50 tracks today and what's the chance of someone discovering the real artist? 1:1000000
The platform flooders emerged around 15 years ago when a lot of soy boys and nu males who never played an instrument suddenly started to call themselves musicians after they downloaded Fruity Loops or Reaper onto their laptops. The devaluation of music as an art started with them, not with AI.
Jimmy Kimmel has a writer's room. Do you call him a comedian or merely a late night interview show anchor?
That's a good question. He gets jokes written for him but he also comes up with his own jokes. And he's also had a comedy career long before he's done late night.
Also , tv shows aren't the same thing as standup comedy, so fewer people have qualms about him having writers.
I speak in the context of standup comedy.
so, what if someone has a long career of making music that just isn't quite good enough, just like all the comedians who have never made it beyond their local open mic, never mind to television because they were never quite good enough to deserve one of the very few available spots?
All fair points I agree with. But what about the AI-assisted comedian? The person who had a great joke in their mind, though is not gifted with words and comedic timing. This person who presented their idea of the joke to the best of their ability to AI to shape that joke into the right words so it actually works?
I don't mind it. People bounce jokes at other people all the time for polishing.
The grey area here is knowing how much assistance is acceptable, but I'd say that's the same case with using a fellow comedian to polish your jokes. Like if they came up with the punchline, is it still your bit if you just provided a premise?
Another hypothetical would be, if you used an AI to tell your joke, can you just say you wrote the joke? Is it still your joke that way? I guess it's similar to music in that regard, but the difference is that standup comedy rarely acknowledges joke writers as separate from the performers because unlike music, they're very often just the same person, while lyricists in music are a thing.
There's a very popular band in a genre I like, and one of their best songs turns out to be something they purchased the rights to from the guy who came up with the tune and put it on his obscure Soundcloud account. most of their songs are based on folk songs written generations ago, this was a rare exception.
Would it make any difference if they had purchased the rights from Suno?
What if they'd just been in the forest and heard a bird whistle the same tune?
I'd imagine either way a lot of musicians will not respect what they did. I recently learned a lot of popular songs from Green Day were written by somebody else for them. That changes things quite a bit, because the main reason is that Green Day has insisted for the longest time that they wrote their own songs.
Also, a bird singing is several levels removed from buying a song.
do people not respect Elvis? apparently all 600 of "his" songs were written by someone else.
Elvis never claimed he made his songs.
In fact he never had a problem admitting that fact.
what you're talking about is a person needing to practice and audition content.
You say these things as if they can't be taught and learned. I'm pro AI, not here to bash you, just saying that what you're bringing up is a basic element of stand up comedy that makes or breaks your act.
Also, AI won't give you comedic timing, that's entirely on the deliverer of the joke
I'm under the impression it's only hated when passed off as real production or you're trying to trick someone into buying an album or passing yourself off as a music artist.
I don't think anybody cares that people use it for fun bedroom projects.
It is definitely vehemently hated by people who want to constantly point out how it's not real and souless. Some people are even being brainwashed into thinkingt it is satanic and stealing from art and "real humans." Destroy all light bulbs, protect the sacred candles!
I have some close to me who are also just totally devastated because theybm are was worried that their careers in music composition and performance are over instead of hearing me out about how it can actually help you be an even more effective and efficient composer. It is a tool! If you can actually compose and play music then you can play right into the record feature and then generate ideas and demo tracks and flesh out certain sections or help you branch out of writers block. You can see how a few different ideas would sound before you take all the time to write it all out! But they are genuinely so scared that they are boxing themselves in.
I'm not sure why this even matters. If someone hears a song, enjoys it and wants to spend their money on it because of the end result, how does the creation of said product matter?
Who "spends their money" on buying music?
Because theres an assumption work was done to create it, when realistically anyone can make the same AI track.
Correct.
AI music is refreshing because it lets us try ideas we could never pitch to real artists. With tools like Suno evolving and eventually getting label support, artists will soon use AI for inspiration, to finish songs, or to explore new styles — and they’ll profit from it.
I just hope the people who actually subscribe and put effort into writing good songs can benefit too. Imagine artists browsing the AI-generated catalog, finding a track they love, and saying, “Let’s remake this in my style” — and the original creator gets paid.
If AI tools help more creators improve and publish great work, why shouldn’t real artists discover and elevate some of those songs? That future would be exciting for everyone.
The issues people take with it have nothing to do with an individual's personal enjoyment. Have fun, prompt AI to make some songs for you.
The issues are:
I could give a fuck about "stolen valor". If someone wants to pretend they are a producer by themselves in their bedroom or just play with AI toys go have fun and enjoy it. I don't want to hear your "music" and I hopefully never will.
Making AI music and flooding streaming platforms with it is just an objectively shitty thing to do. All the arguments I see here are the same ones people make for sex dolls or any other thing people are a bit ashamed of and feel the need to defend. You have to overcompensate and justify it to yourselves because you know most of society doesn't want to see or hear about your hobby or the results of it.
easy enough to google and find all the lawsuits this company is in, little baby didn't want a response based in reality so they blocked
I think it's a classic "vocal minority" scenario, but it is funny how angry some people get about other people having fun. The vast majority of AI music is just people having fun and goofing off and sharing with friends. There's nothing to get upset about there.
Then there are serious musicians who are pushing the limits of what they can use the technology for. There's certainly nothing to get upset about there.
There are many other shades to how people are using AI. And I can't find a reason to get upset with any of them, unless they are deliberately using AI to deceive others.
Some people say, "It's wasting precious resources." And it makes me wonder, "How did they write that comment without using similar resources?"
Some say, "AI is stealing our jobs." And that makes me wonder, "What is this person doing for work that they can be successfully replaced by something dumber than a cat?"
Some people say, "If you're using AI, then you're letting a machine think for you." And that makes me wonder, nothing... Because zero reasoning was put into that 'opinion'.
Oh, I could go on and on... But there would be no point.
Excellent well thought out post. I think you expressed many facets of the issue well . A problem I see is people being very black and white without taking into account the nuances you explained so concisely.
One of my favorite YouTube channels was having a terrible time because some Chinese group ripped all of his recordings , reposted them on YouTube as their own as "Faith Guitar" with a pretty background, and then copyright striked him on his own stuff!!😬😭 Headache and issues for months for him. So now he thinks AI is the devil and taking traffic away from real artists. I think some folks are misusing it and being nefarious. But that doesn't mean the tool itself or all the users are evil.
Agreed. Some folks just lock themselves into a lane and refuse to get out of it, even when their ‘logic’ leads them into a metaphorical brick wall.
And yes, there’s always someone out there waiting to rip someone off. And since AI is a new way to do that, the technology gets blamed. Of course I have a song about that…. https://youtu.be/eFF0vhCcSIY?si=ThlKK_l797DAM8A4
"Some people say, "If you're using AI, then you're letting a machine think for you." And that makes me wonder, nothing..." Is actually comedic genius 🤣🤣🤣
Robot, experience the tragic irony for me
Thanks! I'll be here all week doing AI jokes for audiences of all ages!
the future is now
Ai is better at a lot of things than humans. Calling ai “dumber than a cat” is comparing apples to oranges. For example, a cat can’t solve physics problems or generate a song in 10 seconds. Have an ounce of empathy for all the people who work in the creative industry, it’s going to be wiped out by ai. And don’t come crying when (not if) whatever you do is replaced by more and more advanced ai, or so many jobs have been replaced by ai that no one can pay you for whatever you do anymore.
HAHAHA! Not sure what you're afraid of, but it ain't me. I'm using AI for what it's good for. I'm not pretending it's smarter than a cat. I was actually giving some leeway with that statement. AI is currently about as smart as a *very*stupid worm, but it works for certain things... So I use it for those things. You'll find yourself in a pile of *gravy* if you trust AI beyond its limits.
A (currently) stupid worm that is very good at a few things, good enough to replace a good amount of jobs already. My only point, be hesitant to mock people who have lost their jobs to this so far, it could very well be you next.
I wasn’t trying to mock. What job were you doing? I SERIOUSLY cannot imagine a REAL job that AI can take over.
Ah ok. You need to get in the loop! Animation, stock footage, accounting, graphic design, screenplay writers, etc. Of course these specifically haven’t been entirely replaced, but the industry workers are suffering heavily, I’ve seen it. Companies are already making full ai ads, having mass layoffs. And to your point, it’s not even that good yet.
If your criteria for a “real” job is one that can’t be replaced by ai (yet), that list is just going to keep getting shorter and shorter.
I wasn't saying that people weren't using AI as an excuse to offload employees and contractors.
I was saying that AI wasn't actually taking anyone's job. It's not. AI is almost definitely the excuse, not the reason...
In reply to the OP, there is a place for everything.
The best way to handle the people who feel it’s necessary to go out of their way is to ignore them. I know it’s not always easy when you come here to talk about something you like and see a bunch of losers trashing it but if we all ignore them eventually they’ll go away and find a new place to whine about how much they hate it
I just wanna say...
As someone who has spent nearly his whole life being involved in/playing/being very passionate about music and has been in two touring bands, and as someone who also produces music, I love it. It's so cool/fun just generating things on the fly, plus it can be a very very useful tool for your own songwriting.
I posted this in another thread, but jt bears repeating here:
Bernie Taupin writes lyrics only - not melodies - and to my knowledge can’t play an instrument or sing.
Rick Rubin produces records and lacks those talents as well. He doesn’t even write lyrics. He just selects songs and shapes vibes.
Beyond writing music and melody, there is art to lyric writing and music production. Last I checked, lyricists are artists. I would argue that producers are as well, because they shepherd and shape what we ultimately hear.
Ive heard some AI songs that sound WAY better than some humans have made.
If I can bob my head to it, AI or not, I like it.
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AI musicians will cause a rift and ultimately be excluded from any legitimate music community. This is the future. Have fun existing in your own bubble, completely disconnected from people who dedicated their entire lives to self expression.
I attended Music School. Bachelor in Classical Singing. And I really enjoy making AI music.
Am I lazy now?
It's all about what you choose to listen to.
Classic rock hated punk music, hardcore punks hated Electronic music and IDM hates EDM.
This is a new playing field so play for your audience. Don't lie about how you're making things, come off as inauthentic, appreciate who came before you and you'll thrive.
Well said. I'm in the same boat now. Creation is a gift, not always accompanied by the ability to express it.
I make ai music to remember, rethink and touch people I care about.
Nobody cares if you’re using AI to make music by yourself as your hobby. Sounds like great therapy, just as making actual music is for me.
What people hate is AI music slop polluting music platforms and masquerading as art. Beyond your therapeutic use case, it’s just a new tool for depriving already-poor creators of the crumbs the industry already throws them.
It sounds like shit. It sounds like the shitty soulless lyrics they used to write for dubbed anime in the 90s. It's literal turds being handed out to people who don't have the slightest knowledge of instrumentation, rhythm vs melody, chord progression, etc. It's huffing farts from an ass, since farts are just a waste product of everything your body consumed.
They are vocal minorities. Most of us just an average music enjoyer, we ask SUNO to jump, SUNO leaps high in a dozen of styles
It's actually improving. Right now there seems to be a little bit of extra hate because Warner accidentally legitimized AI music so the entire industry is having a freak out. But in general things are improving especially with a lot of traditional software companies now incorporating elements of AI into their software and it's becoming part of everybody's workflow.
But that also means there is currently an extra wave of panicking morons who want to spread hate.
I personally am enjoying watching all these producers and musicians who six months ago were given a s*** suddenly come back with their tail between their legs like hi guys how do I use AI for music?
If AI didn't exist, musicians would just hate other musicians. I played (sang) the circuit in the NW for ten years. I remember guitarists from some of the biggest casino bands messaging in our online group about that song "Sex and Candy" and being angry about how simple the chord progression and lyrics are.
They were angry for the same reason AI haters are angry. The dude made it big with "Sex and Candy" while none of our virtuoso guitarists ever made a substantial impact with their albums.
Another thing I always remember (not related to musicians) is in the Army how the infantry guys said they wanted to assassinate JT from N'SYNC. About half a year later I sang an N'SYNC song in the national Army talent competition and I placed 2nd. The women in the auditorium actually screamed when I started singing, and I told the infantry guys and they refused to believe it. LOL.
There isn't a big mystery behind AI haters. Even if you're great at what you do without AI, they'll just hate you for being better than them.
If a company offloads a contractor and uses ai in its place, that’s by definition the loss of a job. And that is happening. I’m not sure what you’re saying.
agree, sometimes I feel relaxed when I cook an awesome beat. yah, that's it :)
I write songs but have no money to hire a band and a singer to record them. So now I can hear them out loud thanks to AI software. No one complains that reality TV ISN'T real but ppl love those programs. How is it any different?
This is what im talking about in regards to nuisance with this AI argument. There are so many other applications that happen outside of slop that is impactful and will never see the light of day.
Someone I know who teaches a 6th-grade music class assigned kids to create a suno song, then recreate the song with either real instruments or midi as a winter project. The kids will then judge the songs based on a panel they formed and graded.
I'm sure there are tons of others using the product in all sorts of ways that would not constitute as slop. It's too difficult to consider the nuisance. Kinda sad this behavior is across the board in society currently
AI is for producers what SYNC is for DJs. It can be a tool to empower creativity, but it mostly empowers posers.
I am pleased to no end to hear my words alive in a way that would not have been obtainable for me prior. @comicalattempt
I write my own lyrics and have them set to music in Suno AI. I can play guitar very poorly and if there was a chance, I would like to start a band and play those lyrics with a real band, but no one around me plays any instrument...
I see and hear about the hatred towards AI music every day. My friends refuse to play anything I've composed, and that makes me a little bit sad.
But it's a fun hobby that no one can talk me out of. The feeling when I put twelve songs together into one album is priceless to me (I have about 200 lyrics and songs in blues, rock, country, agro-rock, funky etc.). It's like a peek into a parallel universe where I'm a musician and I have a band(s)... what would it be like if I had a band to play with me? It makes me happy.
Don't let the hate get you down and keep writing and composing. Keep it up, my dude!
I’ve made some pretty amazing songs. People close to me love it. I’m afraid to put them on Spotify. 💀
No one is against you make music w AI. It’s how people present it that’s the issue
they can hate on it till the cows come home but unfortunately for them, tech never regresses. only stalls, and everything from the automobile to the light bulb has had throbs of opposition and haters that materialized along with the invention, but for all their bickering and anti-whatever assocations formed they only taught us one important lesson: stop wasting your breath, and adapt.
I have mixed feelings, I love the fact I can smash out a song in a few mins to satisfy my daft brain, but I can see why people with actual talent are annoyed.
Personally I think people creating AI music shouldn't be able to monetize it and AI songs should not be allowed in the charts.
You aren't alone. I understand both sides as well. I've been writing lyrics since high school. It's therapy for me. I'm also ALWAYS @#$@#$ ill too! While I used to kinda play guitar, sing (scream badly), and mess around with FL Studio; Suno helped me to "finish" the idea of my songs and have them closer to how they "sound in my head". A lot of people just don't get it, or even if they do they will be cruel and dismissive as if anything you put out there was 100% done by Suno. It gets real old real fast. No one cares how personal these songs are to you, even if they aren't "made by a human". It doesn't matter. Not really. I write FOR ME (for the most part), if someone else likes it, great! if not, it wasn't for them anyway.
Making AI music just for you is amazing and should never be dismissed. If you love it, run with it!
Most people’s problem is when you have someone’s low effort AI music shoved down your throat
Dude obviously no one or only a few huge assholes are against the user base. My gripe is with the corporations controlling this for their own profits.
They are without a doubt harvesting the work of creatives for massive profit, it's exploitation by yet another wall st fueled mega corp. We need to get these cunts OUT of our society. They just feed the uber rich and make it harder for the little guy.
The only think I hate about AI music is the insane amount of "slop" that's out there, so many don't even put real effort into their songs. I appreciate a good song made with ai so long as the effort is there.
I would rather say it's a loud minority. Given the available scientific studies it is unreasonable to assume any of these people to be able to reliably distinguish between computer-generated and human-generated music. The aversion therefore has either economic or irrational reasons. I am a trained musician myself and think the possibilities offered by Suno are great. I think people should be allowed to express their opinions, but there is no reason to make others who use Suno feel guilty.
I just love how these tools allow for affordable music production! I'm not a music professional (and I don't want to be, I work in another type of career), but I've always wanted to have songs with certain types of themes. Now I can create music for my own consumption, rather than waiting for musicians with the same types of interests as me to emerge!
Yes its so fun been writing since I where a kid. Now i can hear them sound really good. Fantastic
I genuinely think those who hate it generalize all users of the tools. I have heard some of the most ignorant excuses people use to hate on it and am convinced they have spent next to no time using it to explore the potential of this technology.
Just keep doing what you are doing. The haters clearly have nothing better to do with their time. You'd think they are busy promoting their works of art instead of waiting all day to jump on someone here for making AI music in their bedroom. That's borderline creepy and freak behaviour.
Suno and AI music tools in general are absolutely amazing for all kinds of people. I see even musicians use it so it's really not despised by all music pros.
I wasn't lucky enough to have rich parents to hire someone to teach me the cello, and I wasn't lucky enough to have a rich record producer for a dad, or to have the resources to hire The Wrecking Crew to jump into the studio and bring my demo to life, so I see nothing wrong with making up for the inequalities between people with technological substitutes.
those excuses haven't been relevant for over a decade with the music technology out there
Use Suno all you want, I'm all for it, but that's not really applicable and hasn't been since the mid 2010s
which free programs do you have in mind?
Spitfire LABS has incredible free VSTs that are mainly orchestral instruments. There's others but I'd have to check what I've downloaded, I'm at work right now. I don't like to pay money for plugins.
There's a freeware library that constantly gets updated by user created patches and some of the orchestral sounds are REALLY good. I can't remember the name of that one but it's got 2500 different 'instruments' now, all created by individual users
I noticed actual musicians and music lovers alike appreciate ai music for what it is.
Its the clout chasers, large egos, low IQers that hate