Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1pv1bdc/trump_has_no_class_and_is_a_disgrace/
HIGHLGIHTS
Meanwhile Obama visited a Children’s hospital today
your favorite president Obomber was known for killing countless children in the middle east with drone strikes that werent approved by congress
Bot says what?
call me a bot or whatever you want but you wont call me a liar
Challenge accepted. You’re a liar. If nothing else because that is NOT what he is known for. Take a hike clown
"take a hike clown" 😭😭😭 redditors cant be real
Well, you might not be. But that’s a you problem.
He (Obama) was a great president and him and Michelle had real class.
yup he was great so many middle east drone strikes without congress authorization so much different than trump
Yeah and guess what? Leftists criticized him for doing that. Because one side knows how to criticize their own leaders and the other side will continue to suck him off even if he slaps you in the face and calls you a whore.
the outrage people had at obomber for bombing 7 different countries is 1% that of the scrutiny they have for anything trump does
Because Obama made 3 billion his first year in office. Took bribes and was best friends with the world’s most prolific molester. Was Obama perfect, no. Is he the same as Trump, not even close.
All the things you described are things that trump is and has done; lol.
I believe they were being facetious.
As a Veteran I lost respect for the country I sacrificed my mind and body for.
Me too
You both should move. If you are that disappointed. We ( meaning my fellow veterans and myself) will not miss you. 👍🏿
Maybe they prefer to stay and try to fix what your side has broken. You can do whatever you want though
The only thing broken are peoples easily manipulated brains.
I agre
i wish prayers or letters to Santa worked… my present wouldn’t even need to be wrapped.
What would they be?
Anyone responding to this troll should take note that if you "wish harm on someone", you can be reported for Reddit-wide ban. Be careful how you engage, or better yet, don't engage at all.
Wow that was actually logical and well said, I can appreciate this. Thanks fellow human
It should really tell you something when no one wants to be nice to you, we just have to be. Happy Holidays. 😉
I well i surely didn’t expect people to be nice to me in a “progressive” Reddit page. Merry Christmas!
I have no problem having a civil conversation with just about anyone. I just met with my old(evangelical) pastor last week. The problem is that people like you mostly just want to "win" and be obnoxious. It's exhausting. For instance, why are you in this subreddit unless you're looking for a fight? I highly doubt it's about learning to see eye to eye. You're just looking to bait someone into a fight, claim a victory you didn't win, get your lil dopamine hit, and then go to bed feeling warm and fuzzy. I'm skeptical about being nice to you because 90% of people like you come in bad faith.
I don’t win anything from this, I don’t think anybody will change their mind, I think people are firmly planted in their politics for the most part. I’m expressing my freedom of speech, I disagree with the lot of you and I’m allowed to say that, like it or not. I noticed the other day the maaaaassive about of misinformation and lies that are on Reddit pages because people treat Reddit like this sanctuary where they can spread lies and propaganda without people from outside their views, like this “progressive” Reddit having anything to say about it. So I’ve been responding to some, and the liberal on here are crazy! With a capitol C! Thanks for being cordial tho you seem nice
What women rights has he taken away?
I mean the biggest one that first comes to mind is abortion
What about abortions?
You literally just asked which women’s rights have been taken away. I answered abortion what are you confused about
They still doing abortions.
And yet women have died being denied abortions. Women have been kept “alive” to serve as braid dead wombs. That is taking rights away for women. You asked I answered. Don’t move the goalpost
Very sad, And yet women still have unprotected sex knowing that its a high possibility they will get pregnant
How about r*ped children who are being denied
That is very unfortunate and its very rare cases that happens. I feel for them i do. Evil people do evil things.
Why does anyone have to be radical left to see this as an unhinged hateful rant? How is this his Christmas tweet?
Only the people calling this a hateful unhinged rant are people who are radically left or people who don’t have the slightest shred of a sense of humor. Sometimes the Venn diagram circles are just one
Not supporting hateful "Christmas" messages about trans people doesn't mean you have to be radical left. Also I have a good idea, the president shouldn't be hateful to Americans.
The message about trans people is about banning trans men from women sports. If you don’t support banning men from women’s sports you are a factual opponent to feminism
Regardless of what you think about that topic, how is that in the top 25 let alone the top 5 topics for the president of the US to be concerned with? He's unhinged and hateful. How is that a serious Christmas message?? "More than 500,000 student-athletes compete in NCAA championship sports, according to the association. While it’s unclear how many are transgender, NCAA President Charlie Baker told a Senate committee in December that he is aware of fewer than 10." So one of the most important topics for Trump is the less than 10 trans athletes playing a game? Like really? No, he's just being hateful.
Because politics have become a game of playing to the cards of what messages are going to help my party continually succeed. Both sides do and have done it for the last 20 years. That being said, when tomorrow trump posts merry Christmas people are still going to find a problem with it. Politics are destroying social life and this is a perfect example of it
The Democrats do not attack entire classes of people like hateful MAGA. MAGA are the ones "destroying social life" whatever you think that means.
Inflation is not down. It's a lie. How are grocery prices for you?? And tariffs are a new tax he added for us to pay.
Actually the groceries are down. I’m a 30+ year housewife who actually keeps a price book of groceries. Eggs are back down to around $2, ground beef keep coming on sale at $3.99 for 80/20 and $5.99 for 97/3, milk is under $3 and bacon $3.99 this week for Oscar Meyers center cut. WAY cheaper than the democrat run illegal government !
That is objectively false even under Trump's own Bureau of Labor Statistics. Grocery prices are higher than ever. https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-price-index/consumer-price-index-average-price-data.htm
I’m actually in the real world shopping. Get out there and keep a price book!
You know the Bureau of Labor Statistics does that professionally and their data disagrees with your bs lies right?
Millennials 🤦🏻♀️
THOSE PESKY MILLENNIALS USING ACTUAL HARD DATA AND STATISTICS. I'm sorry that facts don't agree with your feelings.
What should he call the radical left scum instead?
I love how the p*dophile cult thinks the people wanting Healthcare is the real scum lmao
Ok. Whatever floats your boat.
P*dophile apologists are out in full force to defend Trump these last few days. Wonder why that is? 🤔
Show me some proof. Any proof at all or shut the fuck up and quit crying.
Isn't it odd that the guy who likes to sue everyone has never sued the 26 women who have accused him of sexual assault. No defamation suits or cease and desist demands. Funny how YOU people just don’t want believe that… You must live under a rock to think money isn’t used to keep people quiet. But go on, keep being a useful idiot…it makes it easier to spot you out in public.
Reddit moment
You simping for a serial r*pist is the true reddit conservative moment
Why are you not "rising up"? Do you like protecting p*dos?
You sure do
All of America by your logic
Imagine spending your Christmas brigading a left-leaning subreddit to defend a dementia-ridden President’s nonsensical message on his Twitter knock-off. I guess that’s what happens when the majority of your family has disowned you.
Wonder how many are the disinvited family members or ones who know their presence wont be missed at the gathering so nobody minds is on the phone all evening.
Well I assume their friends and family don't talk to them if they're so full of hate on Christmas, so they gotta find some way to keep busy
It’s honestly shows how alone and broken they are. Trolling is such sad middle school style bullshit. Why, on today of all days, are they stirring up shit? Go have some ham and pie or something, and put down the phone.
Maga family members have been banned from holiday gatherings since 2017 and it's been wonderful. It's a bit smaller, but a much happier and definitely more appreciative group of family members. It's mostly cousins and one cool uncle and his girlfriend. We're all in our 30s and 40s, uncle in his 60s. The maga chuds have their own and its disastrous every year. Just a self absorbed group of bickering boomers all devoid of self awareness or empathy. They deserve each other's company.
I honestly don’t understand brigading or trolling in general. I think people on the Conservative subreddit are weirdos and delusional and completely lost the plot. I’m not leaving a single comment over there. Not that I could anyways because I don’t have a flair and I got banned on my last account but still.
To defend a r*pist💀
To defend a guy who raped a 13 year old, had her carry the baby to term, killed the baby, and threw it into Lake Michigan. Then went on to run as a pro-life candidate who successfully got Roe overturned.
That's what they're riding for. That's who their moral in-group includes. These people are monsters, all of them. They do not have morality, only vibes.
A rapist who literally yesterday had information dropped that he most likely helped commit infanticide on his rape baby.
America is COOKED man
Gonna need some links on that one my dude
Tbh im shocked you don’t have it yet! Ive been hearing aboit it all day. No judgement tho, here c’:
Edit: here are the specific files released, if you want a first source instead of a news article. It’s bad.
I mean it is Christmas so I've been doing Christmas stuff and mostly not On Phone
regardless, thanks to you and other for the links
Respectable. My partner had to work so we did christmas yesterday and my relatives visiting their families are messaging me like OMG DID YOU HEAR?? So ive been sort of the hub of sending links lolol
Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/whennews/s/77RnLPATZb
And pedophile
Stop with the fucking self censorship, Jesus fucking Christ.
It's the right (wing) thing to do!!
Could you imagine how terrible it would be to work somewhere today and you deal with nothing but those miserable fucks coming in given they have nothing else to do?
It is probably some shitty bots from India, Bangladesh, and Tajikistan trying to cause problems too
I sincerely hope they're at least paid for their efforts. Would fucking suck to do all this for nothing.
Why Tajikistan?
No fucking clue. But it was revealed a while ago that some Redditor bot from Tajikistan was riling up gullible Americans on Israel-Palestine shit.
So fucking tired of this crap honestly
Fair enough. Tajikistan is naturally aligned towards Iran, as they both speak varieties of Persian and have very strong cultural ties, so I suppose that makes sense.
I dont think it is even that deep.
It is probably easy easy EASY money for someone to just take it and be a shit stirrer online. I dont really think we need to overthink this annoying stupidity.
Tajikistan politically is within russian influence somewhat. This has nothing to do with that, it just shows how easy it is to astroturf and engagement bait nowadays.
100%
Not to mention that Trump ordered more drones strikes in the Middle East than Obama did but of course that little factoid they conveniently forget to mention.
It’s why I hope they are bots honestly. If not, geez
The three ghosts of Christmas, Past, Present and Future are working over time these days.
They’re just trolls. That sub famously is brigaded by bots and trolls. Guarantee most of these commentators aren’t real people
That sub is anything but left leaning. The majority of posts in there are this same sort of shit
A dementia ridden child rapist president
"Politics are destroying social life"
Yeah, turns out when you believe in reprehensible things that cause harm to people, nobody likes you.
It's incredible just how much of their beliefs can be summed up as "I want to punish people for not liking me."
And the rest are “I want to get to tell everyone what to do but nobody gets to tell me what to do”
It all falls under "reality is supposed to conform to my feelings"
Which itself stem from humans' fear of the unknown, chaos, suffering and death.
Not on their own it doesn't. A lot of people have those and aren't anything like this.
They're always so frustrated that people don't like them for who they are as people
Conservatives finding out every December 25th that they make Ebenezer Scrooge look like a fucking ordained Saint before he's visited by three ghosts.
No joke. One of the brigaders left a comment on a post saying "Save yourself".
As in, the same line Bill Murray says in Scrooged to show the audience that he's kind of a bad man.
Another exhausting example of their bottomless pit of hypocrisies is how MAGAts can't not turn a conversation political, no matter how much they cry about "everything is political now!"
An aunt I no longer speak to constantly complained on Facebook about "politics invading my life!" when she really meant "woke politics invading my life", but you couldn't even talk to her for five seconds without her bringing up Trump or what a huge victim he's always been. Christ, at her own brother's, my father's funeral last November, she couldn't hide how giddy she was that Trump won, knowing how much I fucking hate that man.
I finally got her to completely cut me out of her life by texting her, "NO ONE GIVES A SHIT IF BILL CLINTON IS ARRESTED FOR BEING A PEDOPHILE, BUT YOU'VE WRAPPED YOUR ENTIRE PERSONALITY AROUND WORSHIPING A PEDOPHILE YOU'LL NEVER ADMIT IS ONE!"
My siblings still on speaking terms with her tell me she had a completely Facebook breakdown over Trump's many unredacted inclusions in the Epstein files. She went on a multi-day rant complaining about Biden and Obama adding forgeries to those files to make Trump look like a pedophile. Even though Trump's been shouting his attraction to children at the top of his lungs for 30+ fuckin' years!
"What do you mean, my actions have consequences?!?!"
Actions come with consequences. Used to be that conservatives preached personal responsibility. Guess that just meant letting poor people starve and blaming victims of discrimination for their own oppression.
I also don't think they believe the opposite either, because a group of religious right wing guys probably wouldn't be happy if their friend began supporting trans rights, criticize Trump, talk about how much they support Palestine, how much they dislike cops, how climate change is a real and serious issue, and why abortion should be easily accessible.
They like the idea of friendships and good relations across political lines in theory, but I doubt any of them actually sincerely like someone who's on the left.
Sometimes it’s not even what they believe, it’s just they insist on forcing it upon you every chance they can get looking for validation or a fight.
"banning trans men from womens sports" uhh - i dont think trans men would be mad about that? is this one of those accidentally gender affirming things?
I think this person totally confused what trans woman and trans man means lmao. I was so confused when I read that
It's just intentional misgendering. They don't care what the proper terminology is, they just want insult people. Trying to act superior because you know the proper terms is worthless. They want you to get bogged down in semantics. Just call them out for being an asshole and move on.
It's probably both. Intentional, and they don't know what either means, so they just say whatever.
No, they know exactly what this means. It is not both. It is just bigotry.
r/accidentalally behavior.
So transphobic they accidentally loop around to affirming transmen's gender.
No, they're just calling Transwomen men. Transmen existing is something people like this almost never consider.
So this is mostly because its a mistake i make myself all the time, in general in english you are not supposed to compound trans man and trans woman, and its generally viewed as transphobic.
See, that's always an argument I use that shuts up when local subs say BS like that; what about the trans women??!? They do exist ya know.
The classic conservative defense, when you have nothing left to excuse your behavior except "it isn't illegal to act like this."
And yet they shriek for anyone who says a mean word about one of them to be fired and imprisoned
Conservatives are experts at wielding cancel culture to their benefit, which is why they lose their minds when they're being held to any similar standards.
George Carlin was fucking arrested for breaking unconstitutional decency laws drafted by pearl-clutching conservatives to strip a comic's First Amendment rights for being filthy on stage. But Twitter was being mean to poor widdle Dave Chappelle as he was winning Grammys and Emmys on his "I'm A Victim Because Trans People Exist" tour "so they're totally the same thing" according to MAGA a couple years ago.
Natalie Maines gave the tamest fucking possible criticism of George W. Bush in 2003, and immediately wine-drunk soccer moms raising a bunch of future MAGAts started hosting Dixie Chicks album burning parties* in the parking lots of records stores nationwide, and even demanded that two DJs in Colorado be fired for daring to play those traitors' songs still.
That's it! The entire GOP hate machine lost its fucking mind over a criticism so vanilla that wasn't even close to the worst fucking things said about W. in his eight years of running this country into the ground and starting a pointless war that'd destabilize the Middle East for decades to come. But ask any of those yellow ribbon-tying to virtue signal hypocrites about their reactions to Maines' statement at the time and they'll deny they ever wanted to Freedom Fry the Dixie Chicks.
And MAGA has supported any talk about laws criticizing Trump being enacted; they fucking love cancel culture, they just hate it when they're expected to face the consequences of what they say and do.
*the 1930s Berlin kind, not Napster in 1999 kind
freedom of speech until it’s something trump dosent like
Yep, when they can't defend the behavior, they defend the process and pretend as if that's them giving a valid defense of the behavior itself.
Nothing angers me more than this sentiment. Why is the blame always solely on the woman? People seem to forget that these women can't get pregnant on their own.
Here's an idea: all men, but especially pro(pre)life men who are so opposed to abortion and don't believe in a woman's right to choose, maybe they should do their part to prevent women from getting pregnant in the first place.
What peeved me too is that i just read a story of a woman who went into sepsis and died because she was denied a D&E for a miscarriage, since those are included in bans on abortion. This was a wanted pregnancy, she amd her husband were very excited when she became pregnant and devastated when she miscarried. And now her 3 year old son is without his mother because dorks like this are missing that yes, abortion bans are absolutely a womans rights issue. Not to say the only justified abortion is a medical one, all women deserve bodily autonomy, only pointing out the stupidity of framing abortion access to only women who are supposedly irresponsible enough to have sexual freedom.
Some Christians spreading holiday
cheerhate. Kinda sad they have nothing better to do today, but at least it's entertaining to laugh at lolReligion is a Rorschach Test
That's... that's honestly the best way I've heard someone describe it. I'd have to agree with that observation
After a short conversation with any religious person, you'll learn about how they interpret their religion. After 100 conversations with 100 religious people, you'll learn 100 different, unique, and mutually exclusive interpretations.
I am stealing this holy cow
Ooh, I'm stealing that one
The amount of vitriol that I’ve seen on social media this Christmas is staggering. I’ve had arguments with some people and have said “Look man, your opinion is your opinion, just don’t make politics your identity” and they’re like “it’s not my identity don’t worry”.
Their only Christmas post was Donald trumps “merry Christmas even to the liberal scum”. Dont worry though they’re not making it their identity
They're made because they are home alone on Christmas because their left leaning family will no longer associate with them.
They’re the ones Jesus said he will cast away, despite doing good “works” in his name.
Tbf, I saw a post on that sub where the top commenters were denouncing his words.
That said, they will never, ever ever, ever ever, vote against the Republican party. Whenever you see a "maga outraged", "maga turning against Trump", post, remember that no matter how much they disagree with him,
they will prioritize the suffering of others.
your friendly reminder that the Republican politicians receive generous donations from weapons manufacturers and the coal and gas industries - the more dead kids in schools, the more poison in the air and water - the richer they get
If the Epstein stuff hasn't changed their minds, nothing will. Trump has been doing everything they accussd the Dems of doing regarding covering up the Epstein files, but his supporters refuse to admit they voted for a pedophile.
Jan 6th was a documented coup attempt with a body count and a detailed plan. People conspired to create fake electros in hopes of confusing and stalling the certification long enough for the supreme Court and Congress to declare Trump the winner. It's all ont eh eastman memo.
Trump's history with Epstein is deeper and more detailed than Clinton (fuck him to) or any one else listed really.
They still voted for him.
Biden gave billions to red states for infustructure. Trump is trying to cut off federal aid to states based on if they are blue or red.
I no longer condem people who spit in Republicans food. These people are demons they don't deserve your sympathy.
Yeah there's nothing he can do that will cause him to lose support. Anytime there is something egregious, that one sub will have a few conservatives expressing their displeasure, but they will always follow up that they're happy with everything else he's doing and will continue to support him and the Republican party.
I've seen those hollow denouncements every fucking Christmas and Thanksgiving for a decade, but r/Conservative will still keep on worshiping and voting for this hateful pedophile.
Those denouncements are just theatre to make themselves feel better about continuing to support this shit, and they're almost always removed by the mods for wrongthink.
So they don't mean anything.
You know its surprised that Trump and his folk havent tried to rename Chirstmas to Trumpmas because I know some of them think Trump is better than Jesus
Trump would have sent ICE on him
Jesus was a limp wrist socialist so...
And absolutely not white. A brown-skinned Jew preaching socialist ideals between beating capitalists with homemade whips is like the antithesis to the modern GOP, but they'll still pretend they're being religiously persecuted for worshiping him while cheering on everything he preached against.
"Some" is a gross exaggeration. Most of them do.
So incredibly sad.
Can you imagine spending your Christmas like these? What empty husks these people must be
Bums me out I need to be on here reminding people the difference between good and evil.
I was trying to help homeless with warm bowls of soup to warm their bodies this Christmas. That's what I did. Was nice to be charitable and giving this year, even when I didn't have much to give
That’s absolutely amazing. There may be nothing better than warmth and soup and someone caring. You are my hero :)
You can’t examine his statement in a vacuum. Anyone who’s in any familiar with him and intellectually honest knows he just means the left when he says the radical left.
Not even the “left”.
He just means anyone that does not 100% support him.
He will call MTG a radical leftist because she no longer supports him.
Exactly. The man called Schumer a "radical leftist". Fucking Schumer
Also, these are the same idiots that cry about being called Nazis and bigots.
Not only that, remember how much whining and moaning there was when Biden called them garbage (in reference to the Trump rally comment about Puerto Rico being an "island of garbage")?
As always: The only thing conservatives are capable of is projecting so hard that an IMAX would blush.
The modern conservative argumentation style depends heavily on playing stupid when you know you're being clearly disingenuous. It's not about actually trying to get a point across, it's theater so other conservatives who don't know what the hell they're talking about either think they "owned" you when what they said didn't even make sense.
Everytime someone mentions that kid Obama killed with an attack on his father, I like to remind them that trump finished off his little sister.
Every US president since Iraq (and probably befor it) has been a war criminal. And still Trump gets to be so much worse than the rest.
Not only since Iraq
Fixed that for ya.
Hey, to be fair, William Henry Harrison is pretty spotless as a president considering he immediately got pneumonia and died 31 days into office.
How were those 31 days for Native Americans and enslaved people? I mean Harrison had it rough with the pneumonia I'm sure, but uuuuh y'know I feel like Americans probably snuck in a few crimes against humanity just for fun.
Oh yeah, for sure dude is guilty of stuff before office, dude owned slaves after all, but apparently most of his time in office was just talking to folks and dying. Don't doubt he would possibly do war crimes if he lived, but he didn't.
NGL, Harrison a real one.
You don't seem to know what a war crime is.
Since Teddie Rooseveldt.
The women who are dying from lack of abortion care are women who wanted to have a baby, but something when wrong and they baby is not likely to live and actively killing their mother. That’s the women who are dying. Because they are being denied health care.
The thing about rightwingers complaining about Obama's drone doctrine isn't that they were against it-- they wanted even more destructive military action (which the drone strikes were intended to reduce the need for).
Not sure if its that deep TBH. I think they just know Dronestrikes are something the left (rightfully) criticizes Obama over, and so the right uses is to drive a wedge between dems and leftists.
They in fact did get much more of it. In Trump's first term, they immediately tripled drone strikes. Of course that's nothing compared to their current policies of missile strikes and mass murder.
And got rid of the transparency that allowed us to know how many Obama’s admin used
It's one of their oldest and most overused attempts at concern trolling to whatabout for their favorite pedophile.
They painted Obama as a terrorist sympathizer during his Presidency. Now whenever Obama is brought up, they say he prosecuted the War On Terror too harshly.
These people believe in nothing and have no actual principles.
I was gonna say I remember that time period and weren’t they foaming at the mouth that Obama didn’t have all of the Middle East turned into a nuclear wasteland by the time he was sworn in? I don’t know why they’re acting like they cared about brown people back then. These were the same folks insulting Obama by calling him a Muslim.
When Trump's and Republicans say radical left he means every single Democrat and some Republican like pence who don't like him btw.
Which is hilarious to me because leftists keep insisting they are nowhere near Democrats.
They hate Democrats, they protest to vote against Democrats, and they're still harassing Kamala.
Both extreme sides are extremely blind
The sad part is it's hard to tell if this is someone satirizing the post or seriously wishing those damn liberals would give him some credit.
Anyone defending a peadophile rapist needs their hard drives checked. The fact they care more about upsetting people on the net than protecting children in real life, is why America is so fucked right now.
Dude's an actual psychopath
People who say that kind of thing are really telling on themselves.
Instead of working to fix problems, they run away from them.
Every time trans women in sports comes up I’m shocked nobody calls out the conservatives. It’s not like they even want women to have equal rights as men. If it were up to them, no fault divorce is gone and abortion ban is federal for starters.
This is what people spent their Christmas doing?
Pretty depressing for them.
They invade that sub every day tbh. Every time a post mentions Michelle Obama it's an absolute bloodbath of righties invading to call her a man before getting banned.
They are racist and misogynist bigots who are still mad a woman like Michelle Obama is thousands of times classier than they are, and WAY out of their league.
I’m certain that sub is just a botnet
"Drone strikes" have kind of lost its shine as an argument considering we blow up boats now.
Drone strikes were (and still are) always criticism worthy but never as a counterargument to defend what Trump does which is what a lot of people were using argument for.
From 2016-2020, the number of drone strikes increased significantly under Trump and he literally dismantled groups tracking this number.
https://theconversation.com/under-the-trump-administration-us-airstrikes-are-killing-more-civilians-85154
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
Part of it is that the American appetite for boots on the ground waned for obvious reasons and drones increasingly became more viable. However, it was always weird to go but Obama did drone strikes in defense of Trump.
Also, the people going "Obummer! Drone strikes!" don't care about those drone strikes either.
They think you do, that's why they're using it against you.
If you were to point out any kind of identical action they've supported, they'd be completely unfazed.
They know other people care about hypocrisy, so they weaponize it.
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Scientologists called that practice “Fair Game” before it was copied by republicans and other worldwide political groups. Scientologists use it as a way to silence and intimidate ‘enemies of the church’ and when that fails it still shifts public eyes away from the church.
As you said, it’s a dirty trick, but it works, so all is justified by the ends.
Trump supporters love telling on themselves, don’t they? And God if they aren’t so goddamned tedious and tiresome.
Deplorables
The main complaint against Obama is always some random thing that every president has done before and since but we hold Obama accountable, alone, because in reality the biggest scandal he had was Tan Suit
He did accomplish something no other president has done before (or since) - presidenting while black
Magats will never cop to that out loud though, of course
Don't forget about the Dijon Mustard.
Conservatives were truly at their peak of unseriousness during Obama’s Presidency. Every other day there’d be a news article criticizing Obama about the dumbest shit and over analyzing something nobody cares about. Obama could use his left hand to pick up a fork at a restaurant and there would be 10 papers on how he’s swearing his allegiance to ISIS.
We need to overthrow the whole system because both political parties is pro-war and the fact that every president since the 20th century has drone strike people is sad
Its odd that both political parties are somehow pro-war when one has spent the last 30 years starting war while the other only ends them.
Maybe you should just be less stupid?
What you said is true.
The fact that you think both parties are equally bad, is not
I don't really follow usa politics but it is hard to miss it even in the uk, even though I try to avoid it.
Given what I have read today, not on the BBC before magas start, the phone calls to/from kids that trump made or got, little kids that still believe in Santa and what he said to them were disgusting. He made it political to KIDS that don't understand politics.
Christmas is for kids, of any age, who still believe in Santa, don't make it about politics and the overaged toddler!
Let's keep some fantasy in our kids lives for a while.
I'm surprised he didn't tell them that Democrats killed Santa or want to and take away presents on top of it
I really wish the people on r/ProgressiveHQ actually were radical leftists and not just milquetoast liberals :/
Here I just wish they talked progressive politics there instead of just making most of the forum about Trump and the republicans. That and the fact they people are already talking about not voting to stop the GOP in 2028 was why I unfollowed them.
At this point, I'm convinced that the "radical leftists" are just Trump supporters who want to look cool. Like, where's their revolution? Seriously, why aren't they out there starting shit in the streets? Why are they using "milquetoast" as a slur? I want my politicians boring and competent. Showmen are usually full of shit. Showmen are how you get MAGA. We don't need a MAGA-but-left-wing. We need a left wing people trust.
"But they buried the postmortem report!" I hear you say. Use some critical thinking skills: if it said what you expect it to say, they'd release it. No, I suspect it says something about a cult of personality rallying around a single charismatic leader on the left who is outside the party, who's big on slogans and grand gestures, but who always comes short on delivery that is working at cross-purposes to keeping the fascist GOP out of office.
This is a fucking insane thing to believe.
No, it isn’t.
Bernie Sanders, the personality cult leader in question, has done immeasurable damage to the party and faith in its institutions. He has trafficked in conspiracy theories as to why he lost the 2016 and 2020 Democratic primaries that fundamentally undermine faith in the electoral process.
No, the DNC did not rig primaries. They don’t have that ability because they don’t run said primaries, and the leaked emails don’t actually present the smoking gun Sanders cultists want to think. The emails are still up: you can go peruse them yourself.
But people will still earnestly claim that Sanders got more votes in 2016 (he didn’t: every source on the subject says he received 3 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton). They believe there was a conspiracy of candidates to deny Sanders the nomination in 2020 (no, Sanders had little appeal to people who supported other candidates in 2020, mostly because of his chicanery in 2016).
And I noticed a lot of Sanders memorabilia in the background of the Palestine pearl clutchers who claimed that the Democrats needed to lose in 2024 to be taught a lesson (this is open Trump support).
There’s a reason /r/democrats created rule 5. Populism is not a left wing tactic in the United States. It has always been deeply conspiracy-driven, deeply incurious, and deeply detached from reality. This has been true of the Jacksonian Democrats, the American “Know Nothing” party, William Jennings Bryan’s movement, Reganist MAGA, and now modern MAGA—which includes both overt and covert (the aforementioned people who wanted the Democrats to lose in 2024 because of Palestine) Trump supporters.
Tl;dr: Sanders supporters rally behind a man with no legislative accomplishments (he hasn’t even gotten a policy bill to a floor debate in the Senate) and a history of intransigence. Hell, he just refused to work with Democrats to pass a bill to fund childhood cancer treatments because it wasn’t good enough for him!
Unhinged
No, it's insane to believe the DNC loves Sanders so much they'll kill a report blaming him for their loss in 2024.
It’s not that the DNC loves him. But voters like you do. And that’s the problem.
But pointing out the facts like I just did absolutely alienated you. And that’s the problem: the party can’t place the blame where it belongs precisely because the voters don’t want to blame Sanders. Despite Sanders being an objective failure as a senator and an active impediment to the party’s goals (which Sanders claims to share), his approval is higher than the party’s.
How would you receive a report that blames you and your idol for the Democratic Party’s woes?
Bud, I don't really like Sanders all that much, nor did I say that I did or indicate so in any way whatsoever. You are clearly carrying some baggage.
I'm gonna restate my point and bounce, because you are weird and this interaction is genuinely uncomfortable: it's delusional to think that the DNC killed their 2024 autopsy because it blamed Bernie Sanders for their loss. That's insane, and the person calling you "unhinged" below is correct.
"I like the status quo and won't strive for a better world"
"I want the better world all at once or not at all"
The "radical leftists" aren't striving for jack shit.
Things would be very different if they were. This is not coziness with the status quo on my part. It is the fact that the "radical left" has a history of not showing up.
Is “progressive” considered a synonym for “leftist”?
Not generally, no. But MAGA is so far right that even right wing news like CNN feels “radical leftist” to them. Still, there is some overlap.
Typically “leftist” refers to true socialists and anyone left of that (communism, etc).
“Progressive” could be socialist (Bernie sanders, for example), but could also be democratic socialist (AOC) or democratic populist (I can’t think of a great example of this ideology, but it exists).
Put another way, progressive policy socializes institutions that are required for modern living (healthcare, schools, police, fire, internet, water, power, sanitation, etc). Socialism would go further to nationalize all manufacturing and means of production (autos, spaceships, airplanes, tv, farms, and such). To wit: Nationalized healthcare is both progressive and socialist, but nationalized manufacturing is only socialist.
Not necessarily, but liberals certainly aren't progressive
It just kinda seems like people use all three of these terms as synonyms except for when they’re insulting each other.
Most of the “liberals” I know call themselves “progressives” but will also say they’re “leftists.”
I don’t think people really use these terms super super strictly.
The lack of an actual leftist party in the US has allowed the definitions to be blurred to the point of being meaningless.
Democrats are seen as leftist, while in reality, they're right wing.
While Republicans are extreme right, Democrats are more center right at worst. Except Fetterman, who is a Republican, even if he doesn't say it.
No way, my parents are both progressive liberals. Like… have you talked to any Dem voters IRL?
Reddit users calling each other "Redditors" will never not be funny but also painfully stupid and annoying.
Bro you are the Redditor.
I do like that leftist subs aren't locked up like conservative subs. Conservatives get to come in, break the echo chamber, display exactly why being on the left is the better choice, before running off to go jerk themselves off.
Well those liberals snowflakes keep safe spaces and dont let non liberals post. Oh wait thats the conservatives rofl
In what fucking shithole?
Eggs are a bad metric for this, anyway, because it was a bird flu epidemic that drove the cost of eggs up in the first place. Of course they'd come down as supply increases.
Oh I agree with that point, but even still, egg prices are around $4.50 to $5.00 per dozen.
Ahh, you miss read that, we're finally back down to 2 bucks per egg.
The average cost for a dozen across the U.S. is around $2.80.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000708111
Looking at my own local store, I see a carton for $2.50 and another for $1.99.
MAGAts wouldn't have any means of "debating" if they didn't have "but whatabout Obama/Biden?"
They've got Obama-Biden Derangement Syndrome worse than their pedophile cult daddy.
I just find it particularly funny when the 30+ housewife is complaining about millennials.
>claims to be 30+ years old
>"millennials 🤦♀️"
Either this person is an idiot, a liar, or "30+ years old" should actually be 50+ years old. The very youngest millennials are in their late 20s.
Conservatives always breach their containment lol
It brings a smile to my face that the president of the United States can't even wish someone merry Christmas without it being spoiled by the thought that 50% of our country thinks he's a moron. Definition of living rent free in someone's mind lol
*knows he’s a moron, and it’s definitely more than half the country
It’s like they just enjoy being terrible people lol
Americans are soooooo crazy these days...
Not having any family willing to be around you means lots of free time during the holidays.
Ironic that they call out Obama for his drone strikes when Trump literally bombed a country on Christmas.
They can't spend a single day without crawling in subs they're not welcome in, it's pathological
Good god what is wrong with these losers?
Nile can't even take Christmas off with his depressing political drama.
“Redditors aren’t real”. -Ten year account holder currently brigading another sub using a discord to promote and push propaganda and division.
One thing I don't understand is why they admire his complete inability of expressing any kind of actual positivity, even at christmas he has to be abrasive and mean spirited and throw shots at everyone who he perceive as his enemies. He's not speaking the truth, he's just a joyless abrasive weirdo who's getting more and more embittered and hostile.
If a president on the other side had made a christmas post where he essentially went "oh btw fuck all you rightwing scumbags, I hate all of you" the right wing media in America would have decrying his lack of decorum and would have been talking about it for 3 full weeks.
It is not just that he has these opinions, because we all know that part, it is that he can't let it go for a single day, he can't just say something nice without berating others and bragging about how great he is.
Oh conservatives, with critiques as hollow and hypocritical as "but Obama did drone strikes" and "only bad peolle get upset about being called names, its no wonder they're unfuckable losers.
Maybe I’m out of the loop but what’s with MAGA folks suddenly caring about Obama’s drone strikes?
They don’t actually care. They know it’s something the left frequently criticize Obama for. It’s just meant to get left-leaning folks fighting amongst themselves.
Trump supporters are the worst, but ProgHQ sucks too. Loaded with centrist democrats pretending to be progressive. ESH
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After the exposure on twitter than the vast majority of rage bait accounts aren’t from the US, but India and Pakistan and Russia. Arguing with a bunch of Russians and Sanjits.
So dumb
Yeah it’s basically bots arguing with other bots. Idk why people haven’t learned to ignore shit like this.
At this point I think the majority of trump supporters are bots.
Don't those people have better things to do on Christmas, even terminally online me thought "What the hell am I doing on Reddit" after half an hour
"HIGHLGIHTS" ?