Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/clevercomebacks/comments/1putgsu/what_a_stupid_state_of_affairs/
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Imagine losing your job because you actually used the grading rubric.
The teacher shouldn't have been removed from her teaching duties, but could you please show how, according to the rubric, the student deserves a 0?
It was supposed to be a critical analysis of an article with citations to other sources to support your point. The student didn't even cite the article in question and did not properly cite any other sources either. They basically said "this is wrong because of the Bible." Which is shitty enough because the Bible isn't An academic source, but they didn't even cite specific Bible passages to support their transphobic take. She deserved a zero because she didn't do the assignment.
Show me where the assignment asks for other sources and citations.
That’s your job, you asked for a why, you got an answer. If you aren’t satisfied, go find your proof and come back.
You want me to show you where it doesn't say something in the instructions?
Quick question, have you ever attended university?
As a college prof, yes. Have you read the instructions and rubric?
I wonder what Mel’s pronouns are.
I’m sure that has a whole lot to do with teaching and grading skills. 🙄
I’m sure Mel shared them freely with the students
I’m sure that has a whole lot to do with teaching and grading skills. 🙄
Well not anymore, Mel is fired.
That doesn’t define their teaching skills either.
Did you just assume their pronouns?
Yes, this "teacher" or just an activist trying to push their propaganda
"Because god said so" Isn't a college grade answer you dip shit.
Because you think you can change gender like your underwear doesn't make it true
Thankfully you're a nobody and your approval isn't needed, keep trying to pray that evil gay away though and we'll still be here making fun of you <3 Also that has nothing to do with the paper or what I said lmao.
Thankfully you're in the minority everywhere but Reddit. Just so you're aware DJT is your president 🤗
Is that emoji celebrating that a bunch of new child rape accusations just came out about Trump?
“What’s 2+2?” “Jesus” “….” “Question my faith and I will get you fired.”
Not even close. "The assignment asked students to write a 650-word response to an academic article examining whether conformity to gender norms was associated with popularity or bullying among middle school students"
Okay and where exactly does jesus factor in here?
Are you really questioning how a 20 year old from Oklahoma tied in religion to an essay about gender conformity given to them from a trans teacher? I responded to someone acting like it came out of nowhere. I hate religion and I hate Trump but you are just as much part of the problem if you can't see how this happened.
I am not questioning that it happened, that part does not surprise me at all, but it certainly had no place in the essay. Obviously it's less of a leap than with math, but I believe the author of this comment was just being hyperbolic. That being said, "Not even close" wouldn't be accurate either. The essay never answered whether gender conformity was associated with popularity at all. It started with her saying that bullying for gender non-conformity is fine, actually, because god made 2 genders for a reason and bla bla bla. The majority of the essay was just explaining that god wants women to do womanly things and that pulling away from god's intentions is demonic and pulls us further away from the lord. It was utter nonsense and had no place in the essay.
"He, His" Seems you didn't read either.
I'm just following the science.
That just shuggests even more you can't read.
"shuggests" bro lmao
I just wanted another chanse to downvote.
Tell me you’re maga without telling me you’re maga
Wow, thats an astute argument. Congrats on the deep intellectual capability.
you seem to think a student should get a participation prize. that's some maga shit so we guess you are maga, right?
It's almost like you can't grade papers based on your beliefs, rightfully sacked in hindsight
What’s their beliefs?
Obviously shitty ones hence why they got sacked
So you don’t know, hence your statement is mindless drivel
The university removed them from teaching duties after an investigation. You can believe as you wish
That’s not an answer to my question. You claimed to know their beliefs but failed to say what they are. At this point I don’t think you could even get in to Univ of Ok
"It was determined that the graduate teaching assistant was arbitrary in the grading" arbitrary /ˈɑːbɪt(rə)ri/ adjective: based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. "an arbitrary decision" It's right there in black and white, assuming you can read?
Arbitrary isn’t belief. Are you even trying?
Just saying, if you don't like people equating stories like this with all of America, push back! The rest of the world wants to hear stories about great things coming from America, if only for reassurance that one of the biggest conventional and nuclear arsenals in the world (if not the biggest) isn't in the hands of people who need to not be wearing socks to count to twenty. But all we're getting lately is stories about how you've hit bedrock and proceeded to go fetch the blasting materials.
IDGAF what the rest of the world thinks. Generalizing the entire country based on the actions of the most ass backwards state is stupid.
Did you forget that America invaded and destroyed most of the Middle East because of other countries' involvement in 9/11? You are mad about people generalizing states within a country while doing the same internationally to justify killing millions. Stupid American change your own democracy first.
Fuck off
Stereotypical dumbass American response. Maybe try using facts instead of feelings when making an opinion.
The teacher should have a good wrongful termination lawsuit lined up.
Yes, and in about 4-7 years she might get something out of it. The problem with wrongful termination suits is that rent is due tomorrow and legal fees are expensive. :-(
Nothings stopping the teacher from getting a new job.
It’s almost as if it isn’t that simple
You don’t think it’s easy to find a job while you are waiting for a wrongful termination lawsuit works its way through the courts?
You do?
This whole thing gives ammo to my thesis that the modern ultra conservative Christian american motto is
“you should be forced to like me” which is why they threw such a fuss at being called weird by Tim Walz
“how dare you imply im not everyone favorite person , you must be evil for doing so” truly weird behaviour
yeah, they're deeply insecure about not being cool and not having any positive cultural relevance whatsoever
They are also deeply upset that Trump soundly winning wasn’t some turning point in the culture war. For the first couple of months I bet they (and everyone else) felt like they had the mandate and wokeness is dead. I like to think Charlie Kirk becoming a meme instead of a sacred cow broke that spell. That and Trump being a fucking awful president.
Seeing what happened with Kirk really was a "holy shit" moment. People were gnashing their teeth calling for damn near genocide and now kids are singing "Charlie Charlie Kirky, I just popped a perky!" and "WE ARE CHARLIE KIIIIIIRK!" as ironic memes. His face is deepfaked onto every reaction image. It's incredible. Nobody gives a fuck about him.
I think part of it is that Kirk was well regarded by a lot of political elites (not just conservatives but people like Ezra Klein and Gavin Newsom), but he was not a big deal to people who weren’t particularly plugged into politics or didn’t spend a lot of time online. The average “normie” person thought it was awful that he was murdered but they did not necessarily want to start worshiping someone that they barely knew anything about.
The effort to sort of canonize him as a martyr / saint made the divide between elite and “normie” opinion very explicit. Regular people saw it as a tragic crime like any other senseless murder; Elites saw it was a watershed moment that could be used to start a new civil religion and also be used to justify a widespread suppression of political dissent in general. I think that was also why there was such a frenzy to cancel / fire / punish / deport people who made jokes about his death. It was a poorly thought out effort to create a sort of universal consensus that did not truly exist in reality.
Of course, you can’t really bully people that way. You can coerce them into saying or not saying something but you can’t really change their inner thoughts through intimidation alone.
Erika Kirk overtly celebrating her assumed status as Americans favorite widow has definitely helped destroy any chance of ordinary people taking Kirk's death seriously. She's so obviously gleeful to elevate herself into the discourse while coming across as completely self serving and disingenuous that she's undermined any sympathy that people might have for her. The WWE funeral, the black leather mourning pants, playing footsie with J D Vance, her bizarre CBS round table, all overt and unambiguous celebrations of her own ego which come across as very gross.
She genuinely acts like his death was the best thing that ever happened to her and it's so off-putting.
I don’t think they actually loved each other, they probably got married to keep up appearances and as a means to further their careers.
Fun fact: When Candace Owens told Kirk she was getting married, his immediate response was "is this for your career?" You can find the text threads online, Owens shared them herself.
Erika had Trump connections via her time in his pageants long before she met Charlie. I have no doubt his marriage to her was entirely for his career.
Absolutely killed any perception of herself as a grieving widow mere months after her husband’s gruesome murder.
She's just going through the 5 stages of grift.
I don’t mean for this to sound like praise for CK, but judging by her interview with Weiss, he was the more skilled of the two.
He was good at talking down on college kids and sounding authoritative on stupid conservative talking points. His most important skill was being a power broker for the GOP, linking them to young Republicans. TPUSA will most likely fade into irrelevancy under Erika Kirk and that will set back the GOP’s youth outreach for years. That’s not even counting the fracturing/infighting amongst the conservative influencer sphere and the record levels of disapproval of Trump’s 2nd term. The GOP might be cooked after Trump dies.
My wife is an avid Summer House watcher and she informed me that Erika Kirk was on that show for a few episodes before she met Kirk and it makes everything make a lot of sense. She was always a D-level celebrity grifter.
They are trying to turn him into the MAGA version Horst Wessel by trying to blame some nefarious leftist orginization that does not exist.
The only problem with that is anybody who isn't terminally online and hadn't heard of charlie kirk looked him up afterwards and realized he was a piece of shit.
It's a pretty standard authoritarian power grab to exploit tragedy in order to eliminate political opposition. Hard pressed to find a regime that didn't use an assassination to justify all sorts of violence.
This is mean but I think Charlie Kirk has been more valuable to them dead than he was alive.
They love their media contrarians, but it’s not like Kirk was highly celebrated for going to colleges and arguing with 19 year olds.
They’ve incorporated it into getting a blowjob in two different ways ffs. Replacing neck as a euphemism and describing the reaction when it’s really good.
Maybe if his wife seemed to take his death less seriously than Candace Owens did and he wasn’t an avatar for conservative disregard for the school shootings that have plagued their childhoods, Gen Z/Gen Alpha would have taken it more seriously.
Edit: and the OU girl’s last name is Fulnecky. Unironic chance that she gets the full photoshop treatment and a Fulkirky nickname if she reaches Riley Gaines meme status.
Every single conservative got a visit from the ghost of Christmas Future and they did not like it.
It comes from the fact that our system of government allows for minority rule. Why is it that even when conservatives control all 3 branches of government, they still feel beleaguered and oppressed? Because their political dominance doesn't translate into cultural dominance. They don't understand that Hollywood and pop culture aren't pushing moderate social liberalism on an unwilling populous, but rather are simply reflecting the popular zeitgeist.
So-called rainbow capitalism exists because it sells, it sells because Americans as a culture are generally liberal. So why the disconnect? Because states with 500,000 people in them get the same number of senators as states with 40,000,000. Because a president could theoretically be elected with only 22% of the electorate voting for them. Because a country with 340,000,000 people is ruled by a legislature smaller than that of the fucking Roman Republic 2000 years ago. So a generally liberal country is held hostage by a minority population of intensely hateful, ignorant, anti-social reactionaries who are given disproportionate representation in the government.
And thus the only way the right wing can achieve the cultural changes it desires is through increasingly authoritarian efforts to force an unwilling population into catering to their religious neuroses and bizarre psycho-sexual hangups.
Yeah, the only Minority that is ruining America is Billionaires.
I've never thought about it this way but tgis makes a lot of sense. They get mad when you speak to them less because of the shit they cheer on then hit you with "iTS jUsT poLiTIcs"
The worst of them aren't those intent on foisting their views upon everyone else. It's the ones that demand the people they're doing the foisting upon be appreciative and thank them for doing so.
I have also summarized this as “you should be forced to congratulate me for my bad ideas.”
Is this… free speech?
It works so well. You just let them get started on whatever weird rant they're building up steam for, and hit them with a "why are you being so fucking weird?"
Just completely derails them to be othered in realtime.
I’d have more sympathy for their position if they themselves aren’t so relentlessly judgmental, exclusionary, and bullying towards anyone who is slightly different.
Like if being called “weird” or being made fun of for your beliefs/faith is so triggering for you, isn’t that a sign that you shouldn’t do it to others?
Every accusation is a confession with these people. They call liberals snowflakes, but have epic tantrums and meltdowns at the least little things.
Calling them 12 was generous. They’re 4.
Nah, twelve is perfect because at least four-year-old’s have an excuse as to why they’re acting like a toddler.
Nah. Most people develop knowledge that others exist when they're toddlers. So they haven't mentally developed past infancy.
the hosts of chapo trap house have talked about this, its a massive tantrum because they have all the levers of executive power but still wield next to no power culturally. everyone calls them weird annoying freaks obsessed with strangers genitals because they are exactly that.
the Facebook uncles this lady was trying to grift weren’t buying it oh my god
turns out if youre gonna grift, writing like a middle schooler is a bad idea
And admitting you didn’t even read the assignment!
The best modern grift for shameless Americans is to just say a bunch of slurs at a minority group on camera. Set up a donation and make 30k+.
This has happened so many times in recent history, I don't know how anyone can deny that people are still virulently racist in America.
Actually publishing the essay was a major mistake.
Given how fucking stupid most MAGA grifters are and always have been, I can't blame her for thinking she needed to dumb it down.
Knowing your audience is important.
Maybe they are gaining sentience!
She's trying to be next meme so that she can start a podcast and turn it into the worst career ever. Btw there are thousands of ai generated podcasts published daily, so it's safe to say the podcast market is dying to AI faster than the rest.
Don’t forget a pump and dump meme coin
Now there has been so much said about this, but didn't the TA after their initial inclination to give the paper a zero for not following the directions reach out to the professor and others to take a second pass on if they agreed and in doing so those parties found the lack of citing sources for an academic paper so egregious a flaw that the zero was justified? Cause that obliterates the argument that this was a spiteful thing.
Yeah, she had another (I think full professor) evaluate it and concur. No word on their employment status.
Straight white Christian theology professors are weighing in that they would have given the paper an F, because that is not how you write a paper about anything, not even religion.
Fr she didn’t even try and cite some bogus bible quote to try and mask her bigotry she’s just like “yeah there’s not multiple genders and that’s a fact sweaty”
I love this quote because even if you believed in a strict gender binary… that’s still “multiple genders”.
Same here it’s my literal favorite part of it, she somehow decided that no even there being just 2 genders is too many, it’s magical
There is only 1 gender and we all have to share
Sorry, that's socialism.
You must rent.
Quote this to her and see if it breaks her brain (emphasis mine)
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
The TA reached out to another grader in the course (likely another TA in the lead professor's class, handling another lab/section). The other person agreed that it was not a satisfactory completion of the assignment, noting that the level of discourse required for the course relied on use of corroborating research/citations to support arguments. They also spoke against the student's use of the ohraze Demonic when speaking of other students. The second grader was way more critical.
Pretty standard CYA practice, honestly. The TA isn't going to give a grade that low without the prof being aware of the matter, because it almost certainly would come back and cause problems. The second evaluation furthered that, done to counter any claims of bias.
And in a sane, rational world, that's where it would have ended. The student's obvious stunt would have been shut down, the school would have had the backs of their staff, and nothing would have came of it.
But we live in one of the worst fucking timelines where the fundy clowns have taken over and are bound and determined to drag the rest of society down to their level.
The rubric for the paper was posted, and anyone with experience grading papers would give it a failing grade as well. I can see an argument the paper was worth a 1 or 2 for having basically readable grammar but every other section would be hard zeros since it had nothing to do with developmental psychology or the paper being discussed.
Part of me wonders if this circus could have been avoided by giving them a 2, but the VP of the college was just at a conference where "we should be rounding up trans people" received a standing ovation so 🙃
A friend of mine is trans and has had this very thing happen to them. TPUSA students writing hateful bullshit in coursework to harass them and then trying to get them fired when they get a bad grade.
I assure you that receiving a different F won't make these students stop trying to get you fired. And even if it did protect their job, it doesn't silence the harassment.
God, that’s awful
It really is, especially how no one calls out this stuff as bad faith from the start.
Almost all trans people have a VERY thick skin for bullying and insults, because those who don't end up detransitioning or dead
This is not exactly true. Almost all trans people you see in public have either developed a thick skin or the means to fake it until they get home. A lot of trans people, though, end up becoming reclusive and avoidant. And, frankly, forcing trans people to make these choices in order to survive trauma is exactly what conservatives are hoping to achieve
IMO this was unavoidable. Same groups who popularized the freakout were talking about how the psych department at college did not have any right wing aligning professors. In the end the paper does not matter as that was never their focus. They want to allow people without expertise to be able to give students both side of any issue they wish in any college class.
Yes. She did. She was fired for being trans by a fascist institution. This is no coincidence this has happened the same week the VP attended a conference where "have the FBI round up trans people" got standing ovations.
The people claiming this was "spiteful" can read the paper themselves. It's right there, and the essay is trash. Leaving aside that she missed the main topic of the essay, just going by the format and writing would get you failed even in a theology class. Didn't even cite any bible verses to support her mess of sentences.
The student, Fulnecky, also admitted in an interview that she didnt even read the article that she was supposed to be responding to. So yeah, the zero was justified.
I can tell that the instructor is a trans woman who uses she/her pronouns because reddit keeps calling her "they"
I like how we focus on the trans person even though other professors/tas agreed with her that it was a zero but that doesn't fit the narrative.
Its because this was targeted. Theyre aiming to make a trans woman look biased, unprofessional, and undermine her integrity so they have fodder to add to the trans hate train.
You can contact the higher learning commission, which has OU accredited, and let them know this goes against academic integrity and that its also hateful, targeted harassment of a vulnerable minority
The mom of the student defended some of the Jan 6th insurrectionists. I wouldn't be surprised if this entire thing was planned as an example of Christian "persecution."
I think that's exactly what this is
this is absolutely a targeted attempt to remove a trans person from public life and osfucating it through the lens of "academic bias" is doing everyone a diservice
Apparently christians are so incredibly persecuted and trans people are so incredibly evil, yet evidence of such things must be manufactured. 🙄
The teacher was essentially two birds for conservatives who are pushing the narrative that universities and “the trans” are leftists institutions trying to corrupt the “American way”.
Also BTW I love how all these people who have never gone to college are asserting how its fine that she wrote a 6th grade level essay with no citations when college goers assert they all would never do that. Further proof that college is harder than conservatives claim since they apparently have no idea how to do proper college work
Also, she was in her third year as far as I can find, so she should have known how to write an academic paper/assignment.
The fact that she's a junior for me is just evidence this whole thing was a setup. No way she made it this far if she always does assignments like that.
She clearly got the outcome she wanted from all this. Either this was her intention from the start, or she really didn’t want to actually do that assignment for some reason.
Apparently she had been doing well in the course previously, meaning she absolutely knew how to write a paper that wouldn't get a 0 and chose not to in order to make a big deal of this and get her 5 minutes in the news. It was so obviously planned. I'm just glad it doesn't seem to be working quite as well as she hoped. I'm really hoping (and am pretty sure) that the graduate student gets offers from other programs and goes there. She didn't deserve any of this crap.
"Person who has never been to college telling college-educated person all about what happens at college" is my favorite trope. "Oh you just got indoctrinated by liberal professors." Before I graduated I guess they erased those memories and replaced them with calculus. Fucking idiots
All the people who say "xyz wasn't in the rubric, so she shouldn't have lost points," are really telling on themselves. Do they also need the rubric to explicitly state that they should write in complete sentences with proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar?
The rubric also didn't say the words have to make sense, which is why I applied with my masterwork "xxvxhsgfkdyw fjwgwkacyeks kahdjfbe".
I didn't send it in, of course. The rubric didn't say I had to submit it.
Might not be the case anymore but sixth grade was around when I was learning how to write papers that cited sources. Hell even without sources this is not a paper that should be considered a serious attempt at anything but trying to simply meet a submission deadline at RW Bullshit News.
Idk if I cited a source till high school
It's worse than this. I don't know if these are truths since right wingers and conservatives love to lie, but some in the conservative sub and the thread above says they're college professors and they would give points to the essay.
Imagine actually being a professor and seeing that dog shit essay and still saying that you would give it a 25 out of 100 just for turning it in.
I'm sorry, but America is beyond fucked if that's how they think education should be. The party that's against participation trophies now want to give participation marks because an assignment was turned in? This is college not fucking high school. Do the work or get nothing, that should be the standard.
I have done marking for university coursework, just not for psychology. It depends entirely on how the rubric is written. It’s entirely possible that for a given section which has up to 10 marks allowed, you can earn one or two marks with even a vague attempt at addressing the question even if it is truly terrible. I’ve marked some awful pieces of work and given out a few 10%s before but even the truly terrible ones typically earned a few marks for grammar etc.
I can also fully understand if a professor has a policy where you get a flat 0 if you submit an analysis piece without a single citation.
Yeah this was fairly common in my classes. You were going to cite sources, and you were going to do it correctly under threat of failure.
When I was a TA and an adjunct, I usually gave students in freshman classes "pity 30s" and "pity 20s" for turning something in, as long as it wasn't entirely plagiarized. The only papers I gave 0s to were the ones where they copied and pasted entire paragraphs from a few random online sources, changed a few of the words here and there, and called that an essay. But it really depends on the rubric, and if that's what the rubric called for, then it seems reasonable enough to me. TAs are generally just following the grading policy the professor gave them.
As someone currently living on a secret mars base, I'm skeptical any of those people are college professors, anyone can just go on the Internet and lie
6th grade is being generous. I was putting out better work in 4th grade. Granted, that would've taken me longer to do than this clear 15 minute rush job, but I refuse to consider this essay even middle school level work. I'd be insulting my students if I were to say this work is comparable to their own.
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After the essay went viral I've seen a lot of other professors agree that this is a zero, the idea that she failed the student because she felt slighted as a trans person doesn't hold any water when even theology professors agree that this is simply just not good enough.
Having read that shit excuse for a paper, I can say that the TA was dead-on with giving it a big, fat zero percent. Failing to meet basic requirements for citations for any paper would be met with a similar grade where I went to college, even if the quality of the paper weren't abyssmal dog shit. If you can't show where you get the evidence for you argument, it isn't even worth considering.
One commenter on the post brought up an excellent question: if you read the student's essay, what would you know about the original article?
And the answer is next to nothing, just that it is an article about bullying and gender. No quotes, no passages discussed, just hateful vitriol and calling trans people demonic.
Also worth noting that the student had referenced scripture in past papers and received a passing grade.
I imagine the TAs saw this crisis actor from a mile away. I hope OU grads look into unionizing. Though I’m sure that isn’t available to them.
Now, now. She wrote that the article was “thought provoking.” Of course she then proceeded to provide zero provoked thoughts but hey, you know it’s thought provoking!
It certainly provoked people, don't know how much thought goes into "trans people bad" but I'm sure a thought was provoked
Why couldn’t she find documentation to support her assertions? FFS, there’s lots of BS out there that she could have cited, but instead she says, “because the bible tells me so”. Did she even cite the bible with a page number and edition? Easy peasy racist lemon squeezy.
I really think she wanted to get a zero. I think this was a planned stunt, given her mom's history and all. If the TA hadn't been trans, it's fairly likely she would have actually done the assignment and gotten a passing grade.
My understanding is that if the TA hadn't been trans the student wouldn't even have taken that class. It had nothing to do with the rest of their courses.
They want to break education. They’ll take it to the Supreme Court and have them rule that Christian’s can just claim “religious beliefs” as the answer to any question lol.
She didn’t and Hebrew definition she gave of the word isn’t even fully correct (think mistaking warm for hot).
Because to a conservative just being trans is bad and should be belittled and made illegal. They don’t care. A trans person could invent time travel, the cure for cancer, stable nuclear fusion and warp drive and they would still attack the person for being trans.
Alan Turing has entered the chat.
...The chat that only exists in the first place because of his work.
And a trans woman helped invent the devices we're all using to view it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Conway
That sounds less like "helped invent the devices" and more like "basically laid the principles behind a whole industry (to make it possible to make the devices)"
Also, TIL. Thanks!
Dang! Neat!
I suppose it is fitting that the country that murdered one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century through conversion therapy is about to he run by a man who wholeheartedly supports murdering trans people through conversion therapy
I think Wes Streeting's leadership credentials are overhyped. The guy has the charisma of a wet sponge and is only getting talked about as a realistic challenger to the current leader as Keir has the charisma of a plank of wood.
Unfortunately this does all mean we are potentially facing Nigel Farage though...
I hate to possibly bring the mood down but as an American?
...never assume enough of your fellow countrymen won't go with the stupider option.
I think the Brits are well aware of that after Brexit.
I do appreciate that there were some professors at Christian schools come out of the woodwork saying this would get a zero from them too
The TAs mistake was not treating it like a legal case. She was trying to help but that explanation should’ve stuck to “You didn’t follow the prompt and never brought up the article you were supposed to write about after the first sentence.
A bit too many people are chomping on the bait by focusing the discussion on "well can or should schools discriminate on religion?", "did she or did she not follow instructions", "how bad is the essay?" and not focusing on the manufactured and targeted nature of this PR campaign designed to censor and harass a trans person, while kicking up a firestorm.
The student in question is the daughter of a conservative lawyer who has been suing people and institutions for culture war bullshit.
Extremely likely that the shit essay wasn't some accident but a deliberate tactic. This was planned, manufactured and orchestrated with the daughter from the very beginning when they figured out that school had a trans teacher, and it would be easy to make them a target, while the story gets boosted by organizations like TPUSA of which this grifter lawyer has connections with. Even if the teacher didn't take the bait I doubt this story wouldn't be pushed regardless and spun or repeated again and again until these ghouls get the result they wanted for their PR campaign.
This grift has made the daughter a public figure designed to be embraced by conservatives as an icon while attacking a trans person taking advantage of the current societal anti-trans moral hysteria. Just all around gross.
You know, the one bright spot about all of this to me is her name. Its like the grifters went, well, we cant have what happened to Charlie again, so we'll get someone named....
Yes exactly. This isn't even unique to this situation.
This exact same thing has happened to a friend of mine. Trans instructor in a TAship or adjunct position. TPUSA students take the course and write hateful shit in course material, clearly trained on what they can get away with before it becomes officially harassment. When they receive bad grades for not actually doing assignments, they scream retaliation and try to get the instructor fired. The fact that this pattern matches so flawlessly makes me think that this is happening to tons of trans instructors across the country.
In this case the story broke through, got intervention from the governor, and actually got the instructor fired. But that's just the cherry on top. Even if the instructor is maximally careful and manages to not lose their job they still have to deal with regular harassment in course material. The student still "wins."
It is a deliberate strategy to make trans people say "I just won't go into academia since I'd have to be harassed by students on a regular basis if I did" and the bigots are one step closer to their desired world where there are no visible trans people anywhere in public.
Hit the nail on the head. All the right wing messaging about bathrooms, sports, etc. is just intended to make it impossible for trans people to participate in public life.
The paper found its target audience: barely literate morons on social media looking to be rage baited. It doesn't matter that no professor would have given the paper any other grade. These people were targeting the elected officials, who played their parts as expected.
funny part is a lot of conservatives have not been particularly accepting of her, shes been getting a decent amount of flame in those circles
Interesting. Riley Gaines made it big from her grift.
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2025/riley-gaines-leadership-institute-bonus-2024-1234879744/
You mean "tied for 5th place" Gaines?
Who's giving these people money?
Pablo Torre did an excellent investigation on her and her funding sources that I would definitely recommend watching.
The same conservatives that always cry about "handouts".
I think the big difference is the framing of the controversy. Trans sports participation has always been framed around benevolent sexism and scientific and historical illiteracy to push an agenda that people are sympathetic to. This is framed more around freedom of speech, and there is a lot less to sympathetize with a rich kid crying over a bad grade.
Them saying this really gives off "I've absolutely never been to college" vibes because the implication at this level is that you always have to cite your sources. That's just kind of how writing academic papers works.
Yeah the fact that someone is discussing a college psychology course while pretending you don't have to write all your essays in APA format is hilarious.
It would be a darkly hilarious turn to have some random person on the sidelines cheering for the student specifically because they decry APA, and that she should have been allowed to write in MLA format instead.
I had to cite my sources in fucking middle school.
You can and should cite the Bible if you’re going to write an essay about it.
I really hope Oklahoma U loses its accredited status over this.
OK showing that they’re not only not ok, but also a hellhole as usual. Fucking backwards ass state
They may not lose accreditation, but a whole lot of graduate students are not gonna want to take TA jobs there because this is a catch 22 situation. They grade properly they can get this sort of freak out if students use this one simple trick. They give full marks to avoid conservative freakout, they get expelled for honesty dishonesty violations because they not grade according to the rubric for select students.
And no grad students as basically free labor, the school will start to suffer fast.
That's the goal for conservatives, because they're too stupid and resentful to understand why education is good for the country.
You can help them lose that accreditation by emailing the Higher Learning Commission! The contact us page is here
See if your Uni is on there too! Let them know that youre upset that this insult to academic integrity brings everyone down! If youre even able to, see if your Uni will write the commission asking for action too!
Off topic, but how is this different from regional accreditation, which was the gold standard when I was looking for a grad school? Or has this replaced that?
The Higher Learning Commission is the regional accreditor that handles Oklahoma. They're the modern day successor to the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. Therefore, it is OU's regional accreditation board.
I get that this isn't clear from their website. I was confused when I went looking for OU's accreditors in response to this scandal myself.
Thank you! I’ve wondered how the accreditation agencies would handle things like this and the issues in Florida going forward.
OU is in the SEC now so they care even less about education
It just means more!
Yeah now they get to lose to Alabama as an eight seed
This is completely on brand for everything I'd have assumed about Oklahoma
You're talking about America. The country currently run by Trump. If they lost their accreditation Trump would probably just sanction the entire state and deport everyone on the education board.
State literally built on the most egregious broken promise to native Americans ever
Slide 1: It's cool and good that kids are bullied into performing gender roles, actually
Slide 4: Actually, I don't believe anyone is bullied into performing gender roles at all. I have no idea what I was writing about 400 words ago
She should have gotten negative points on that, lmao.
I ran into the idiot that claimed to be a college professor on another sub discussing this. They aren't.
Yeah there's zero percent chance they're a professor
I went back through their post history quite a ways and if they aren't a professor they've been acting that way for a long time. I think their just incredibly shitty at their job.
It was made obvious from them not understanding citations are always required when the assignment is a commentary
So the student just threw together a hate speech last minute and got mad she got a zero? And somehow the teacher gets fired?
At worst it was hate speech. At best it was a rant tenuously related to the article because she had a meltdown seeing the word "gender".
It was a deliberate move. The student wrote the shittiest paper possible and had the lawsuit waiting for when she got the grade she deserved.
Nah. Her mother has been known to raise lawsuits over similar situations. She probably took this class specifically so she could do this.
This whole situation was manufactured.
She didn't even meet the required word count, that meant she would get an 40% reduction either way
They’re all deplorables.
Far too soft of a word lol
They can't even get the president right either, trump is a old man with dementia that does whatever he is told/a figurehead. Mention it to a maga voter though and they'll get mad at you.
"As a college professor" my ass
I feel like sometimes people on the internet just kind of claim shit and think people will just believe it because that's how it works in the conservative space. I've noticed that with conservatives you can just post a deep fried ass image saying basically anything and they'll believe it instantly with 0 need for verification.
But then they take it out to the broader internet and don't realize that people can just say "I don't believe you" and it instantly de-rails their lie.
Yeah and I'm the Queen of England
When people say shit like this you can easily tell that they are not arguing in good faith. She's in university, there is a baseline competency and standard expected of her and all other students and being able to properly cite sources is one of them. They don't need to outright state that in every assignment because the students already know that is expected of them.
It is kinda baffling to me to see so many people argue that just submitting anything should be enough to not fail, no matter how poorly it answered the assignment.
I doubt most of the people supporting her ever went to college/university
Don't need to go to college when you can make podcasts all day complaining about college
Proved these mfs didn’t even finish high school, you spend practically all 4 years getting MLA format beaten into your skull.
You dont even need skill.
Theres tons of apps and websites that will generate a correct citation for you.
Fuck, most Bible apps will provide the citation automatically if you copy and paste the text correctly.
Yeah any student will tell you there’s a difference between “you don’t need to use outside sources” and “you don’t need to cite outside sources”
For me the obvious tell is seeing people shocked that you can get a zero on an assignment. It’s really not hard, I’ve had tons of assignments with “this is the bare minimum, if you don’t do at least this you’ll get zero” in the rubric. It’s usually a comically low bar, but some students will trip on it.
People who have convinced themselves that university is full of participation trophies and easy grades just can’t process the idea that yes, you can fail a class or assignment.
Other than in-class written essays, I don't remember a single time in college I wrote an essay without at least in-line citations or a worked cited page. Almost every syllabus included likes about MLA or APA format being required.
"Show me where this university level assignment ask for sources and citations "
It's supposed to be already understood by anyone taking the test, it's a fundamental part of any college exam
I believe that the grading rubric also made it clear that there was a ten point deduction for failing to hit the low word count. Which Fulnecky failed to reach.
Play video game, toxic players throwing out transphobia.
Watch youtube, transphobia in the comments.
Go on reddit, posts about transphobia.
Look at news, transphobic law or occurrence.
Bro it does not END, all of this has happened over the past day. why do so many people give a shit about a group they've almost definitely not interacted with in any meaningful way man. I'm convinced I might genuinely have to bury my head in the sand to avoid this shit, completely unplug from the internet.
If it isn't outright bigoted abuse directed at me, it's hearing about it directed at others, or seeing constant fights about it everywhere. I'm not about to say that we shouldn't discuss these things, or argue back, or even just highlight this shit so people can see its prevalence... but holllllllly fuck man, its christmas do people have no chill. I've got fairly thick skin to this kind of stuff but at this point I'm more annoyed than hurt, its comical how ridiculous this has gotten.
transphobia is a very effective wedge issue that certain political groups are pouring hundreds of millions, if not billions, into megaphoning, its 100% part of the propaganda machine
Now as for why thats happening, well, you could write a dissertation on that
Preferably with proper citations.
As far as I see its two major things; The first is the mere existence of transgender individuals makes religious fundamentalists extremely butthurt because they see it as defying their god(s) and "traditional values", the second is trans people are an insanely small minority, the smaller minority is the easier it is to both scapegoat and to oppress. The Nazis went after Jews in part because of this, they were an incredibly small minority in Germany when the nazis took power, they were very easy to propagandize against and oppress because of it.
IMO its got more to do with the fact that certain political parties needed a new wedge issue after weed and gayness stopped working as much, theres simply fewer trans people compared to pot smokers and non trans queer folk, and trans people tend to be fairly insular, which makes them easier to other. Theres also the fact that a lot of conservatives are scared they will find trans women (and its always trans women these mfers dont give a shit about trans men and a good portion arent even aware of them) attractive, which means they are gay, which is bad for a red blooded cis-het conservative. But thats a gross oversimplification of much more complex societal trends.
The comparison to Nazi Germany isnt super accurate though, European antisemitism wasnt anything new by the 1930's, it had been around since at least the 1100/1200's in various forms EX: blood libel, probably longer. The Nazis just jumped on a trend that had already wormed its way into European society at the time, and made their own version of it, based on the Stab in the back myth perpetuated by Prussian military leaders and the forgeries The Protocols of the Elder Zion Hitler conceived of an eternal racial struggle between the Aryan race and Judeo-Bolshevism. Trans people being visible within society is a relatively new phenomena, as is hating them. But once again, its a lot more complicated than that
Trans people may not have always been visible in the same way they are today, but prejudice against people who don't conform to sexed expectations is positively ancient.
This is why it's good to have a set of a few YouTubers and offline games that are devoid of politics. It's good for your mental health to have a healthy detox from politics now and then.
it was a northernlion short where he was doing something goofy, it was about as unpolitical as it gets unfortunately. Honestly though youtube shorts are genuinely a bit of a cesspit. The abuse in game I can avoid by just removing any trans identifiers but it sucks that my options are hide or catch constant shit. Nice to rep the flag when playing games as you meet other trans folks that way, brings a nice sense of community.
Is what it is though, the past day has likely just been exceptionally unlucky. merry christmas!
It's not in just things related to politics it's fucking everywhere. Trans people are constantly being bombarded by this shit online and in real life you need to understand that
I think that Fulnecky kinda overayed her hand when she claimed she was getting 100% on all her other assignments. Like if she went with "yeah I basically forgot this assignment until 10 minutes before it was due, but technically it should have been a 3/25" then maybe more people would have bought it. The assignment was so blatantly bad that either a) she intentionally tried to fail the assignment or b) she was already failing the course. Like, only the most devoted sycophants of the GOP could genuinely believe that an A-level university student could mess up an assignment this badly.
Granted I havent been to school in awhile, and post secondary might be different, but every teacher ive ever had as introduced themselves as "mr/miss". I think college might have just been professor, but I cant quite remember.
TAs we usually just called by first name. They were usually just a couple years older than us and they felt weird about that when they're still students too.
Im currently working as a TA. Im a masters students TA'ing for batchelor courses. Depending on the course that makes me 2-4 years older than the students i TA for. So its pretty much always been first name basis for me. Mostly because someone my age calling me sir deals psychic damage to me. And TA roles are much more personal than lecturers.
These "Christian" conservatives are fucking awful. Liars, grifters, and losers. I miss when stupid people were ashamed of being stupid.
One thing that annoys me is that people don't bring up she is a junior.
She isn't a first year student who is just learning material, how to write essays, how to cite papers, how to criticise papers, etc.
At this point, she should be able to type "google scholar" in her sleep, read methodology and point out issues, evaluate whole paper and even synthesise information.
I wish nothing but the absolute worst on conservatives at this point. They are all abhorrent and cruel to the fuckin core.
I am just so exhausted by these fuckers. Hate stalkers.
"It's just science" People when you tell them a magical invisible man in the sky isn't real an that Jesus is never returning: 😡
Even if he was, Jesus isn't returning for these guys lol
I swear conservatives have to be putting in effort in order to be this unabashedly stupid.
It comes naturally to them unfortunately.
Idk if things have changed since I graduated college a year ago, but uhm I was always told that failure to put citations is automatic zero because its just plagiarism and baseless claims. Like... thats how it was in my high school classes. Thats how it was in every single fuckin college class I took where we wrote papers (which was all except for early science and math). So can someone help me out? Has standards kf academia regressed this much in a single fuckin year
The best part is that in a discussion about people being popular or bullied for conforming (or not) to gender norms, you don't need to bring up trans people at all. There's plenty you could talk about regarding "she's too much of a girl" or "he's not manly enough" or similar thoughts being a cause for bullying.
Trans people are an obvious place to talk about that, but if you really were uncomfortable with it there were ways to complete the assignment and avoid it.
"Show me where the assignment asks for sources and citations"
... did this person graduate high school?
Its literally in the handbook of most universities. Theres almost always a part of academic integrity.
her grade is equal to the number of citations she made in the paper, despite making repeated claims about what the bible said.
Conservatives will routinely refuse to prove their assertions and insist that it's your job to support their argument. This is because they are assholes.
If I had a nickel for every time they told me to research their claims.
My follow ups are usually asking what I should “research”, but there’s really no point.
That subreddit is anything but clever comebacks
It's also worth noting a second non-trans teacher looked at the paper and ALSO graded it as a 0.
I would like to point out Fulnecky is the only person to ever lodge a complaint towards the TA. This was targeting by Fulnecky on all fronts. A student frankly harassed a TA in an academic paper by demonizing her, even if “indirectly”. Mel was following the grading rubric as well, being objective in her grading judgment. The paper deserved a 0 based on merit alone, but anyone who has been in academia of any sort knows that lack of citation runs the high risk of probable ensuation of plagiarism. Plagiarism is often an automatic 0 as well as potential expulsion in some case. Mel did her job right, Fulnecky didn’t and admitted to not even reading the article in a recent interview which was required in the paper. I’m leaving my case here. Stay in school, screw OU, and don’t be a Fulnecky. Hook em.
jesus that whole thread is a dumpster fire.
I don't know which is worse, the bots trolling with the standard conservative talking points or the idiots who believe that one more post will change everyone's mind and prove I'm right.
There's this lie that all discourse is good. It seems like most discourse online is just trying to throw bullshit and falsehoods at you until you give up from exhaustion.
I just love how many people are like "the article she was supposed to review talked about kids getting bullied over not conforming to gender norms, so NATURALLY it's about trans people!" As if, for instance, cis boys don't get bullied all the time for not being "manly" enough.
I remember, when I went to University, we had it hammered home that all essays, and coursework, had to have sources and citations clearly in either the Harvard or APA formats. They would take up an entire page of A4, perhaps even two on a particular heavy Essay. So it makes me quite confused when people say "Where does it say citations needed? Don't question my faith!" Everything at College/University needs a citation by default! It is part of the whole bloody point!