r/aussie is a lightly moderated sub that focuses on anything pertinent to Australia. Today’s OP shared a video showing several people dumping pig heads on top of graves in a Muslim Cemetery in Sydney. Will the commenters be normal or will they go hog wild? Let’s find out.
OP: Bondi mass shooting: Sydney Muslim cemetery desecrated
Highlights
Round and Round we go
Albo needs to step down. This is almost entirely on him.
That is the dumbest shit I’ve heard all day.
How so? He's Australia's leader and allowed Labor and greens to wear the kiffeyah into parliament. farauqui, posing in front of "clean out Australia" with young girls with an Israeli flag in the bin. Lidia Thorpe's lack of punishment for her very large list of antics. Jacinta Allen gets told to remove the Australian flag from herself, in Australian parliament? Wake up to yourself. Weak leader, weak government, he absolutely caused this
ThIs iS aBouT wEAknEsS
You're being a pathetic asshole and your concept of "strength" and "weakness" is that of an insecure 9 year old boy who thinks bullying other people makes him look strong, instead of dysfunctional.
You don't know how any of this actually works so you beat your chest to cover up your ignorance.
What sparked the Cronulla riots?
I'll just say that John Laws and Alan Jones fanning the flames on Stdney talk back radio sure as hell did not calm it down. It's a damned good thing Laws is too busy being dead and Jones too busy defending rape charges to throw their 2 cents worth around on radio.
Because groups of young Middle Eastern men were routinely going to the beach and sexually harassing young women and assaulting the life guards who tried to stop them. This was on the back of a series of violent gang-rapes carried out by Pakistani brothers who specifically targeted white Australian teenage girls.
It’s a pattern of behaviour that people had had a gut full of, and nothing was done about it until the tension snapped in Cronulla.
But this isn’t PC to say, so instead everyone just labels it as “because white Australians are racists”.
Tl;dr: Rumours that were amplified by radio hosts led to vigilante violence by lumpen dipshits.
Yes the radio host amplified it. But denying there is a pattern of violent and mysoginistic predatory behaviour by some groups of ethnic men doesn’t serve anyone. I’ve witnessed it myself in other parts of NSW. I think it’s really weak to expect Australians to just continue to accept it.
Apologetics for vigilante violence are despicable.
I won’t apologise for expecting my teenage daughter to be able to go to an Australian beach in a bikini free from harassment from ethnic men, or expect my teenage son to be able to walk around with his mates without being smashed in the back of the head with a glass bottle by a middle-eastern gang trying to pick a fight. I’ve witnessed both of these over the years.
Sure you have, Pauline.
You think these dead Muslims gunned down people at the beach yesterday? You're going to have to explain your theory young man.
Explain to us all the moral equivalence between islmaic terrorist murdering people on the beach and pig remain placed in front of a grave.
In other words, why should I care about this?
Because encouraging public vilification of a religion encourages violence against the members of that religion…
That’s bullshit.
I grew up in Western Sydney with immigrant parents, if you don’t think racism flows both ways you are living in la-la land.
The only real victims in all of this is the innocent people of both faiths who are going to be caught up by hatred from radicals from both sides.
Let’s not pretend the Muslim communities have not been through hell since 911.
Oh the poor muslim community who went through hell because people from their community flew airliners into fucking buildings mudering throusands of people. Now it's the poor muslim community going through hell because people from their community mudered Australians in cold blood at the fucking beach. How about the Bataclan massacre?
This is exactly the shit I'm over. A lot of people are done with this now.
Yeah, the rest of the world is over the racism and genocide happening too.
Image with text “This is Genocide. This is not”. Below is a bar chart showing the increase in Palestinian population.
The biggest mass shooting this century was by islamic extremists on Sunday. If you are refering to the Qld shootings or Dezi in Victoria if there are schools preaching their ideology by all means shut them down
28 April 1996; Port Arthur massacre, white male killed 35.
15 March 2019; Christchurch mosque shootings, right-wing white nationalist male killed 51 muslims whilst they were praying in a mosque. I understand you are probably homeschooled so I hope this helps.
Unlike you my education included what centrury we are in and whether Christchurch is in Australia
not sure what you replying to firstly, maybe see if your mum or dad if you know him to read my original comment to you
Before posting maybe learn to write a coherent sentance
sentence ya goober hahaha
its been a long time since one of them picked up a rifle and killed 10 people.
Actually it was only 29 years ago and they killed 35.
Long time my ass
that is a long time
What, are you like 12 years old?
It’s is ridiculous that you are arguing that almost three decades is not a “long time”
Cause it isn't? Its barely a 1/3 of a humans life. The majority of people who died in that massacre would still be alive today.
It definitely is.
Barely a third? Global average human lifespan is 73 which is 40% which last time I checked is more than a third.
Sure, if you think 29 years is a long time in the grand scheme of things im really not going to sit here and try to convince you otherwise any longer.
I have no interest in fighting with you over interpretations of time.
You’re not going to convince me because you are objectively wrong by any realistic benchmark you relativise the subjective term - not “the grand scheme of things” whatever that means.
Here’s another, nearly 45% of the global population wasn’t alive 30 years ago.
Okay 👍 Appreciate your opinion.
I’ll leave you with one thing, the subject matter is Australia but you're using Global stats to prove your point.
Your argument is weakened when using Australia as your basis instead of Worldwide.
I guess a universal term like “the grand scheme of things” must really weaken yours then huh. What are you even arguing.
Why is it suddenly impossible for people to hold in their head the idea that multiple things can be wrong simultaneously.
Right. No one is saying the terrorist attack and the pigs at the cemetery are equally terrible, but why not just have some empathy for people who have lived ones on there disrespected at their final resting place?
People who had absolutely nothing to do with the terror attack in Bondi Beach no less.
It exactly the same as holding all Jews responsible for the crimes of Israel.
Honestly, I don’t think they genuinely care at all. This is just an avenue for them to air their bigotry and argue that they’re somehow “justified.” Worse, current times have given them cause to feel emboldened.
First of all it is because suddenly many people are experts on something. During COVID there was this running joke at least in Germany, probably also in other countries, that we were all vaccine and virus experts. And when Ukraine was attacked we were suddenly all foreign relations experts etc.. Now in giving my opinion on your question I further this problem, but I don’t care, because for me that is totally different and I for sure am giving the correct opinion xD.
I believe it is because we are currently actually devolving into a polarized we vs them in politics worldwide. And far to many people just see a them thing and ramble angry things instead of actually criticizing the issue based on facts (or actually support a them thing because it makes sense). Combine that with far to many people just getting their informations from social media instead of a news outlet.
What brings us to another huge problem: The media, because at least in Germany most articles I neither trust, because most media outlets are owned by some billionaire and that of cause influences the news a bit, nor get informed by, because so many articles are just a quick push. And even the state financed doesn’t do their job that well. Like I can count the articles I have read about proposed laws that had a link to said proposal in them or actually broke down what was proposed on one hand. I would absolutely be willing to have an Abo to a newsletter, if they would do that.
Because complex issues get ground down into a forced binary so that the sturdiest opinions can get made with the least amount of thought, and for the sake of forced tribalism.
It's not about forming an opinion from a number of factors about a complex situation, it's about picking a team and proving your dedication by siding with them and against the other team no matter what.
Covid messed up the brains of many people
They were always messed up, Covid just made more people go online which gave them an even bigger platform and to connect with more of their kind.
It seems very perplexing to dump a pig carcass as a retaliation for an antisemitic attack, given Jewish prohibition on pork.
You gotta remember that the point of doing shitty bigot things is to do shitty bigot things.
There's a good chance that the surviving shooter is going to say that he did it because of Palestine. Does shooting up a beach full of Jews actually do anything for Palestine? Fuck no. But slapping a "Free Palestine" sticker on top of the shooting gives him an excuse to shoot up a beach full of Jews. Hurray!
Similarly, the guys dumping the pig carcasses are going to say that they did it because of Bondi Beach. Does desecrating Muslim graves actually fix antisemitism? Fuck no. But slapping a "Vengeance for Bondi" sticker on top of the desecration gives them an excuse to desecrate a Muslim graveyard. Hurray!
Hate crimes aren't about the target, or the justification given for attacking the target. They're 100% about the perpetrator. The perpetrator gets catharsis from venting their rage/frustration/insecurities/etc. on their chosen punching bag, and gets to ride the high of righteous anger and the thrill of Doing A Naughty. I expect that cocktail of emotions would feel very heady if you weren't weighed down by the guilt of doing horrible things to other human beings....and obviously, hate crime types are not.
Do you think the people doing it know anything about Judaism? Hell for that matter do you think they know anything about Islam beyond "they find pork bad for some reason"
They think Islam was invented by Jacob Isis right before he personally did 9/11. And that Judaism was invented in the 1930s but was weird and woke until 1948
This might be the most accurate description of people like this I’ve ever read
They sure as shit werent doing it to honor jews. They were doing it exclusively to be racist against Muslims.
bigots don't need an excuse, they just read the news and are reminded that they hate Black/Jewish/Muslim/Indigenous/etc. people.
I'm just kinda wondering at how you go around rounding up pig heads to dump en mass, and then why you'd ride around with fucking pig heads stinking up your vehicle.
I get splashing paint all over something or doing graffiti. Yea it's able to be traced back to where it was sold and you're much more likely to get caught, but paint is easy to get and it doesnt smell like raw pork.
Good point, does anyone know where RFKJr has been lately?
The people who blame Albanese for the massacre baffle me. What was he supposed to do to stop it? Do they think he should have just imprisoned anyone who said anything remotely negative about Israel or something?
Either that, or return to the 1940s White Australia policy by removing all non-Europeans.
If they put that to a referendum, it would probably win.
That's exactly what they think
Yes that's what they think. Netanyahu said it happened because Australia joined other countries to recognize a Palestinian state.
That really pissed me off.
Yes, Benny boy, I'm sure that the shooters' decision to commit the massacre was totally dependent on whether Australia recognized the State of Palestine or not.
That's such a disgusting thing to say tbh
Given the way a lot of POC Palestinians activists have been targeted, probably.
Its probably a mix of people lashing out in grief and a bunch of political opportunists. Lot of bad actors popping their heads up around here recently, not to mention the crap Sky News has been spewing for years. I am honestly not shocked by all this.
They don’t think any of that, it’s just a bad faith attack on a political opponent. They don’t think period.
I mean, that's kinda like throwing up your arms and going, "We've tried nothing and the problem still exists," isn't it? True, there will always be threat actors, including terrorists, who slip through the cracks, but you should always go back and examine what happen so that you can patch the damn cracks. And at the end of the day, the big boss when the incident happens is always going to catch fire for it. He's the boss. The buck is supposed to stop with him.
Regarding this specific incident, there's a number of legitimate questions, imo. For one, Australia (like the rest of the world) has seen a dramatic spike in antisemitic incidents, with a nasty cluster occurring at the start of this year. The Albanese government, to its credit, created a task force for combating antisemitism; it later accused Iran of instigating some of these incidents and expelled their ambassador. But then this shooting happened. So, where was that task force? How effective is it truly? Related to this point, news organizations have reported that the shooters were already on the government's radar. Why were they able to obtain guns? Why weren't they evaluated as a serious threat? It's pretty reasonable to expect the government to answer these questions imo.
Finally, as a member of the (((they))) your other responders are talking about, I'd like to see Albanese start a serious conversation about antisemitism in Australian society. I'd like to see a serious attempt to educate the public, especially students, on Jewish history and popular antisemitic canards. It would be really cool if social justice organizations got in on the effort, too. Of course, this will not happen; the government will probably go for easy, heavy-handed measures instead. Complexity is for losers, and deconstructing deep-seated biases usually hurts people's fee-fees.
You think maybe the genocide has ticked some people off? What are your questions for Netanyahu regarding this. What could he do to protect Jews across the world.
Why are jews in Australia responsible for genocide?
Where did I say that?
You were responding to a comment that was about terrorists targeting Jews in Australia.
Why did you bring up genocide and Netanyahu in your response?
Jews around the world are not responsible for the actions of Israel.
Because Netanyahu the perpetrator of a genocide is pointing the finger at the Australian PM allowing protests against his genocide as the origin for this antisemitic attack. The poster wants questions answered. My question is if he has any questions for the perpetrator of the genocide.
Why do you think they should answer you? There's no reason, because your question is unrelated.
I'm sure the Gaza genocide has ticked people off. It certainly has ticked me off. But what does that have to do with the murder of Australian Jews celebrating a Jewish holiday? How is Netanyahu, the elected leader of a country on the other side of a planet, at all related to a massacre that occurred on Australian soil, targeting Australian citizens, and involving Australian residents? I need you to explain this to me.
Who the fuck do you think you are to question them on the actions of Israel, an entirely unrelated state? They're not running Israel. They're not the ones doing anything awful over there. We're talking about AUSTRALIA holy fuck dude.
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Just for anyone not familiar with the lay of the land with Australian subreddits - emphasis on r/aussie being a lightly moderated sub. It’s where people who got banned from the main sub r/Australia go. Sensible people see r/aussie on their homepage and ignore it
aussie was being used as a recruiting ground for, and a way to normalise, the NSN (national socialist network).
Yeah, I figured it would be some conservative space for people getting banned from the main. Like r/bayarea for the people that get banned from r/SanFrancisco. But it seems like the posters are all over the place ideologically.
EDIT: I saw the r/Melbourne sub being mentioned derisively. Any insights? Do you know of any Bogan subs?
Melbourne is Australia’s designated stuck-up metro lefty stereotype city. Think Portland, or what San Francisco used to be before tech bros really started going insane.
Which means it’s always the target of choice for right-leaning snarky comments, or very specific types of leftist snarky comments.
Ah ok. The comment in question was saying the sub is anti-Semitic. Must be the leftist flavor of snark.
Yeah the leftist snark is definitely coming from a “These people are overwhelmingly white, well off and coming from privileged backgrounds, they don’t know what they’re talking about even if they do vote left” angle. Basically your standard leftist critiques of white feminism but applied more broadly.
Bogans would be in regional city or neighbourhood specific subs.
All the Canadian subs except for r/OnGuardforThee are pretty terrible.
/r/canada banned me for saying somebody was being an idiot. The person I called an idiot, had literally called me one, and I responded in kind.
Can't remember if it was a perma ban, but I just hid the sub altogether anyway. Bunch of ACTUAL idiots modding it, pretty sure the mod team is just typical neo-liberal trying to shut down anyone they don't agree with (aka a true social democrat).
r/Canada has been compromised for years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/s/X8pk2wEmRz
Checks out. I imagine they must have been seething when Carney won lmfao
One of the people called out in that thread is still very active as a Canada mod ;)
I think r/ehbuddyhoser is great but I guess it’s a shit posting sub lmao
R/bayarea is more of a regional subreddit but it's had some issues around covid times and probably sways sus at times but it's better than it used to be. There are some definite right wing bay area offshoots like r/oakland vs r/oaklandca
R/ilovebc and r/vancouverlandlords kinda tier ?
In fairness it doesn't take much to be banned from r/Australia. I got banned for sharing a YouTube link.
The main sub and r/australian get so overrun with Greens voters there is no room for conversation. Look at every election poll where the sub is something like 80% greens voters then the actual results are 5%.
r/australian was created during the voice debate for racists that had been kicked out of r/Australia. Then it started being moderated so r/aussie was born to take its place.
The voice referendum was overwhelmingly defeated. At some point the moderators of these subreddits need to admit they are purely political actors suppressing any discussion that does not fit their worldview.
Simmer down champ. A 60/40 split is hardly an “overwhelming” loss. Particularly given how vague the overall proposal was.
Only a single state or territory voted yes and with the way Reddit acted you would think they would get an 80% majority. Any dissenting opinion was banned for being “racist”.
That's because most of the dissenting opinions were inherently racist.
Calling everyone racist doesn’t work anymore. Sorry big dog.
It's not that we're calling everyone racist, we're just calling racists racist.
A few years ago when my husband and I were in Hawaii, we went to a luau and were sat next to an Aussie couple. We were chatting away and the huband mentioned going "to the pub with the blacks". And I was like "wahhhh????". Took me a good five minutes to realize he'd said "blokes" and not "blacks".
Anyhoo, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
See also the rugby name of the same name for similar confusion
I chuckled
giggle
I did not expect the funniest fight in this thread being a discussion about the definition of “a long time”.
That gave me a good chuckle too. Why is everyone freaking out about a small shooting when it was not too long ago that we had the Permian-Triassic extinction event.
God that subreddit is a cesspool
I mean long time depends on the context, but if there have been 29 years since the last time something happened then that points to it not being a deeply systemic issue, and are rather isolated incidents.
I have an Asian friend that travels a lot and when he went to Australia he said it’s one of the most racist places he’s been too
I keep getting Australian subs recommended, and all I can say is that rupert murdoch cannot be blamed for everything- some people were just bigots without brainwashing
Can confirm, its super racist ; the white Australia policy ended in 1973 so people were treating Greeks/Italians like blacks till the 90s, same people now have access to actual blacks and browns.
Heck its so racist we banned slavery to keep the country white lol.
"Australia is like Arkansas with a beach." - Greg Proops
In what world is 35 years not a long time, some people really die on weird hills
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Wait, I thought Australians were better and smarter than us stupid Americans...
America seems racist until you visit literally any other country in the world.
We're less likely to have heads completely up our own arses but Americans don't have a monopoly on dumb cunts.
Nah, just sexier.
From an outsider it seems Aussies are either extremely attractive or extremely unattractive
We excel at extremes.
We are. US right wing orgs are actively lobbying/bribing our right wing politicians to bring trumpism to Aus, and have been failing for years.
Rupert Murdoch is one of y’all’s—he has played a major role in what has happened in the US.
He legally became an American 40 years ago, we're not taking responsibility for him anymore
I didn't say we were perfect, just way better and smarter than americans. You've actually brilliantly demonstrated it with this response.
Like why do you think Murdoch has done more damage to your country than mine? Because Americans, as a group, are gullible illiterate morons who constantly fall for propaganda.
I'm not trying to be mean, or start a fight, I'm just being honest with how the rest of us view y'all.
A real person wrote this, read it over, hit post, and then said to themself "Wow I just proved to everyone how good and smart I am" 😇.
Jesus.
No actual response though.
That doesn't track, my man.
This is OP’s 4th agenda post here in as many days. I’ll link my comment from the last one for more context, but OP said this in reply to a comment about the Bondi Beach shooting:
They’ll reply trying to say it was about Oct. 7th, like that would make it acceptable. Killing civilians is bad and wrong, full stop
Edit: they’ve blocked me, so I can’t reply
I’m absolutely exhausted at the term blowback. First got big as a way to say those killed in 9/11 deserved it, now is universally used for “I don’t like your government so I think you deserve to die in violent terrorist attacks” like yes how dare those evil Israelis be born in Israel.
How is this about Israel or Palestine? Y’all will make everything about Israel.
I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to assume this is retaliation over Bondi.