I wouldn't bother to give them any videos. I'd ask them to show you a video where the SovCit beliefs worked based on their merits. Ask for a court case where a SovCit won. Let them do the research.
You can't logic someone out of a position they have not logiced their way into.
About 2 years ago someone in Utah was shot and killed by the police all the while sounding off that "he was an independent-corporation-person-peoplehood" who was "not driving-moving, he was moving-conducting and therefore you have no power over me" just like the poem at the end of the movie labyrinth.
This is just a quick Google search. More details are easy to find.
Yeah, Chase Allan. The weird hyphenated words look like David Wynn-Miller's "parse syntax grammar". He claimed that verbs are lies, and that if you avoided using verbs, it was possible to make statements that could not possibly be false.
There was a courtroom video a couple of days ago where someone who was asked to "swear to tell the truth" refused to swear unless they said it to him in parse-syntax grammar. The judge denied his request to appear pro-se because of it and appointed an attorney and re-scheduled the matter for another date. At that date, the defendant took a plea deal -- so somehow that attorney managed to break through the thick layer of dumbth surrounding the dude's brain.
My GF's brother teeters on the edge of being a sov cit. And trust me, nobody can tell him anything.
He believes all kinds of crazy stuff, and falls for all sorts of scams. He's on the edge of homeless. He doesn't "travel" without a drivers license, and I'm sure of that because he doesn't have a vehicle, just a bike. He'll trust some scammer he knows from a random phone call over advice from his family, and has done it over and over. Then he can't understand why his life keeps getting worse.
I wouldn't bother to give them any videos. I'd ask them to show you a video where the SovCit beliefs worked based on their merits. Ask for a court case where a SovCit won. Let them do the research.
It won't work, but it's your best shot.
They'll pull a case where the charges got dropped or reduced and use that as a win.
Yes, but that's not a case where they won "based on [the] merits [of their argument]."
BuT tHe JuDgE dRoPpEd My ChArGes!!!
You can't win with some of these idiots. If constant repos, jail time, arrests, etc. all don't teach them, I don't know what will.
I would NEVER show anyone anything to convince them that SovShittery is “all good.”
I’d locate 10 videos of SovCits either getting roasted in court or the shit kicked out of them by the police.
You can't logic someone out of a position they have not logiced their way into.
About 2 years ago someone in Utah was shot and killed by the police all the while sounding off that "he was an independent-corporation-person-peoplehood" who was "not driving-moving, he was moving-conducting and therefore you have no power over me" just like the poem at the end of the movie labyrinth.
This is just a quick Google search. More details are easy to find.
https://www.google.com/search?q=utah+sovereign+citizen+shooting&oq=Utah+sovereign+citizen&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDINCAIQABiGAxiABBiKBTIHCAMQABjvBTIHCAQQABjvBTIHCAUQIRiPAjIHCAYQIRiPAtIBCDM2MTZqMGo0qAIBsAIB&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Yeah, Chase Allan. The weird hyphenated words look like David Wynn-Miller's "parse syntax grammar". He claimed that verbs are lies, and that if you avoided using verbs, it was possible to make statements that could not possibly be false.
There was a courtroom video a couple of days ago where someone who was asked to "swear to tell the truth" refused to swear unless they said it to him in parse-syntax grammar. The judge denied his request to appear pro-se because of it and appointed an attorney and re-scheduled the matter for another date. At that date, the defendant took a plea deal -- so somehow that attorney managed to break through the thick layer of dumbth surrounding the dude's brain.
I’d focus on just talking with them about why they can’t stop getting DWI’s
If someone legitimately wants to "become" a sov cit, trying to "prove" anything to them is likely a waste of time.
My GF's brother teeters on the edge of being a sov cit. And trust me, nobody can tell him anything.
He believes all kinds of crazy stuff, and falls for all sorts of scams. He's on the edge of homeless. He doesn't "travel" without a drivers license, and I'm sure of that because he doesn't have a vehicle, just a bike. He'll trust some scammer he knows from a random phone call over advice from his family, and has done it over and over. Then he can't understand why his life keeps getting worse.
I wouldn't.
I’d focus