This is the thing about SovCits that I find so intriguing:
It's easy to dismiss them as delusional (they are), but even their own schemes don't hold any internal consistency. Don't push back against their arguments, go with the flow like a Tai Chi master.
Let's take the issue of, "Muh passport!"
"Oh. You have a passport, you say? Well, according to the laws of the United States, all persons wishing to enter the United States on a passport must present themselves at a designated port of entry (international airport, border checkpoint, etc.) prior to proceeding into the interior of the US, and present themselves for inspection. They must remain there and are not allowed to enter the US until they have been granted a visa. Failure to do so makes them subject to detention and deportation. Similarly, any violations of ANY US laws while within the US also makes them subject to deportation."
This is how real passports work, not just in the US, but around the world since time immemorial. This is that common law they so constantly squeak about.
I'd genuinely love to know the SovCit response to these facts.
You call them facts. They actually are facts. But these idiots would just deny that and come up with facts they've made up themselves...
I believe you, but then one can always point to US Code, Title 8 and the appropriate Sections and say, "You say you are not from here. Well, 8 USC is how we deal with people who are not from here."
It doesn’t matter. He’s already decided that anything you show him is fake.
I feel like when they admit to that, or to "I don't live in the United States" or "I am not a citizen of the United States" since they declared that, we should handle them as if it is true, until it is proven otherwise...
Charge them with it since they have confessed to these crimes
These days that means he gets to visit El Salvador, fully paid for at government expense.
Its probably not the smartest thing to loudly declare you're not a citizen.
Sounds fair.
The problem is that SovCits do NOT respond to facts. They're starting with their "fact" that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
If anything this is just playing into their game. You're thinking that your response proves that they're wrong because you've strung together a series of legal words. Sovcits think that they just need to string together a different set of legal words to prove you wrong.
I don't know what the right wording is, but that's not it.
As I understand it, a visa is something you get outside the country (e.g. at a US embassy somewhere else) and it gives you the right to travel to the US and request permission to enter.
So you need a visa before you start your trip, and it's necessary but not sufficient for you to enter the country (the border official might still decide to send you back even if you have a visa, for example if he considers you to have immigrant intent but only hold a tourist visa).
There are multiple countries that require visas and allow you to obtain them at the airport upon arrival. Egypt, for example.
I've heard of that -- but I don't think the US is such a country.
Well, that's kinda my point: they have no way to lawfully obtain a visa prior to entering the US.
A legal passport traveler can't land in the US and then travel to an airport, port of call, etc. This all has to be accomplished prior to entry.
In the case of a SovCit, that would require the US to establish a presence on the SovCit's property...which is obviously as absurd as every other aspect of this proposition.
But the US government and most other governments do not recognize Moorish passports or the "nation" they came they are from. So there is no reason, so unless they vote for the party in power we should deport them if they have renounced their American citizenship
Lots of countries will grant you a visa when you show up at the airport, especially with a major passport like the US, UK, or most EU countries. My mom lived overseas for a while and I never had to file for a visa ahead of time when I flew over, just got to the airport, handed them a US passport, they'd ask for the purpose of my visit, stamp it and I was good to go.
They respond with "DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!"
Ask for their diplomatic credentials issued by the US government or be charged under 18 U.S. Code § 915
"If you don't imagine that government has authority like I do, you're delusional bro"