The DOT number comes up as out of service and revoked. I think Mr Bell needs a visit from the popo. Replacing the window on the Benz is gonna be expensive.
Registration with dot can be done as a private motor carrier. Registration with dot as private motor carrier and posting that on your car is notice of private ownership as documented In the dot system. You asked for an answer, so don't downvote me for giving it.
All of those things are correct. Sovcits have the false belief that registering as a private motor carrier relieves them of having to have license, registration, and insurance.
Not sure why you think I'm downvoting. I'm not. My question is slightly different, though: it really relates more to the underlying philosophy, if you can call it that, of a sovereign citizen. That does not seem to vibe with any registration whatsoever, whether it is with the department of transportation or with the DMV, hence my question why a sovereign citizen would refuse to put a license plate that is registered with the DMV, but somehow agrees to registration with the Department of transportation. That seems to be the disconnect.
There are many different belief sysyems lumped into that label (sovereign citizen), which not all use, that makes it harder to answer. So, for the lgoic of this situation, i expect it to be: When you title your car with dmv, you transfer ownership to them in exchange for use. It's not really yours anymore. That's why it's called a certificate of title. The actual owner document is the mco, manufacturer certificate of ownership. Most people never see the mco as the dealer sends that to the mvd for you to get the certificate if title. So the logic is to use private motor carrier with dot on a car that is not titled. So it's your property, With proper registration in their system as a private motor carrier, and the dot number displayed on the car acts as notice. They can see that you are private when they look thay up in dot sysyem. There is a difference between public and private, or it wouldn't be printed on all of your money. You can operate in private capacity if you want to. Most don't take the time to self educate. And there is so much misinformation it's no wonder poepole don't understand. There is truth among the bs. Yes, people take this info, misapply it and look very foolish, amusingly so in many cases.
Insurance is not a requirement, proof of financial responsibility can be in other forms. You can also get insurance without license, registration, etc.. from some companies.
Reciprocity, allows a car registered in 1 place to be used in another. So, a Florida car can drive to California passing thorough several states, no registration required because of Reciprocity. So, thier logic is the dot is registration and states accept because of Reciprocity.
Are you telling me, to go on vacation from Florida (with Florida plates) to California, That you stop in every state to register along the way to California and then when you get there, and then you do that again when returning to Florida?
Or were you saying that you don't believe the dot registration is valid? In the case of the picture posted, it was clearly invalid. Not sure what he was doing exactly if that's recent, how old is that picture?
It's head-meltingly stupid. Part of the underlying claim is that since the federal government registers vehicles, state registration violates the principle of federalism and is unconstitutional. To press this issue, they register their vehicles with DOT. Though in this case, I imagine they've just copied someone else's license plate, which would explain why that DOT number comes up invalid.
They want to claim that their car is registered and thus they can't be charged with failure to register. This doesn't work, because the registration required by most states's laws (and probably all of them) is that the car has to be registered with the state in which it's used. There's a grace period of usually 30 or 60 days, during which a foreign state registration is acceptable.
The DOT does not register non-commercial vehicles, and only registers commercial vehicles as a component of broader interstate commercial regulation. The fed gov't cannot order state governments not to register vehicles because that would violate principles of federalism. The Fed gov't probably could supplant state registrtion with a federal system -- though it would be a big political battle -- but it chooses not to.
The head-meltingly stupid part is that the DOT regulates commerce. Getting a DOT number is tantamount to admitting that your car is a commercial vehicle. Their stupid idea about "passenger cars are not motor vehicles because of 18 USC sec. 31" would not apply here.
I wish the police would actively look for these folks. They’re honestly a bigger problem than simply driving unregistered vehicles the bigger problem is they simply believe rules that apply to all of us don’t apply to them and that’s a big issue.
I saw one in a parking lot (posted it here) a year or so ago. Called non emergency with “there’s a sovcit with fake plates parked in the <restaurant> lot” and a few minutes later a cruiser pulled in. Satisfying.
Everyone really should do this, I'm glad you did. The more they get away with it, the more this mind virus spreads. I do understand cops not wanting to be shot on the side of the road in a traffic stop by a sovcit, but this would give them time to be prepared to deal with their nonsense.
That car will present fine at the likely Sheriff’s Sale when it’s confiscated during the inevitable traffic stop that turns into a resisting arrest charge.
Eh first I stand corrected it’s New Hampshire that doesn’t have a mandatory insurance requirement. second I’m not condoning the lunacy of this movement but merely proposing a solution for them alternative to such antagonization as it is. Third their lack of mandatory insurance did not mean total anarchy, you’d have to show a proof of sufficient financial resource to pay compensation, or if you somehow get around it and default the other party could still sue the driver at fault.
The DOT number comes up as out of service and revoked. I think Mr Bell needs a visit from the popo. Replacing the window on the Benz is gonna be expensive.
Yea, I went to look that DOT number up too, it's inactive now. :(
Q: Why would a SovCit put a USDOT sticker (expired or not) on when he refuses to use a license plate? Seems to defeat the point.
Registration with dot can be done as a private motor carrier. Registration with dot as private motor carrier and posting that on your car is notice of private ownership as documented In the dot system. You asked for an answer, so don't downvote me for giving it.
All of those things are correct. Sovcits have the false belief that registering as a private motor carrier relieves them of having to have license, registration, and insurance.
Not sure why you think I'm downvoting. I'm not. My question is slightly different, though: it really relates more to the underlying philosophy, if you can call it that, of a sovereign citizen. That does not seem to vibe with any registration whatsoever, whether it is with the department of transportation or with the DMV, hence my question why a sovereign citizen would refuse to put a license plate that is registered with the DMV, but somehow agrees to registration with the Department of transportation. That seems to be the disconnect.
There are many different belief sysyems lumped into that label (sovereign citizen), which not all use, that makes it harder to answer. So, for the lgoic of this situation, i expect it to be: When you title your car with dmv, you transfer ownership to them in exchange for use. It's not really yours anymore. That's why it's called a certificate of title. The actual owner document is the mco, manufacturer certificate of ownership. Most people never see the mco as the dealer sends that to the mvd for you to get the certificate if title. So the logic is to use private motor carrier with dot on a car that is not titled. So it's your property, With proper registration in their system as a private motor carrier, and the dot number displayed on the car acts as notice. They can see that you are private when they look thay up in dot sysyem. There is a difference between public and private, or it wouldn't be printed on all of your money. You can operate in private capacity if you want to. Most don't take the time to self educate. And there is so much misinformation it's no wonder poepole don't understand. There is truth among the bs. Yes, people take this info, misapply it and look very foolish, amusingly so in many cases.
Even if you have a dot number, it does not remove the state registration and insurance requirements.
Insurance is not a requirement, proof of financial responsibility can be in other forms. You can also get insurance without license, registration, etc.. from some companies.
Reciprocity, allows a car registered in 1 place to be used in another. So, a Florida car can drive to California passing thorough several states, no registration required because of Reciprocity. So, thier logic is the dot is registration and states accept because of Reciprocity.
But reciprocity still requires that the vehicle be registered.
Are you telling me, to go on vacation from Florida (with Florida plates) to California, That you stop in every state to register along the way to California and then when you get there, and then you do that again when returning to Florida?
Or were you saying that you don't believe the dot registration is valid? In the case of the picture posted, it was clearly invalid. Not sure what he was doing exactly if that's recent, how old is that picture?
It's head-meltingly stupid. Part of the underlying claim is that since the federal government registers vehicles, state registration violates the principle of federalism and is unconstitutional. To press this issue, they register their vehicles with DOT. Though in this case, I imagine they've just copied someone else's license plate, which would explain why that DOT number comes up invalid.
They want to claim that their car is registered and thus they can't be charged with failure to register. This doesn't work, because the registration required by most states's laws (and probably all of them) is that the car has to be registered with the state in which it's used. There's a grace period of usually 30 or 60 days, during which a foreign state registration is acceptable.
The DOT does not register non-commercial vehicles, and only registers commercial vehicles as a component of broader interstate commercial regulation. The fed gov't cannot order state governments not to register vehicles because that would violate principles of federalism. The Fed gov't probably could supplant state registrtion with a federal system -- though it would be a big political battle -- but it chooses not to.
The head-meltingly stupid part is that the DOT regulates commerce. Getting a DOT number is tantamount to admitting that your car is a commercial vehicle. Their stupid idea about "passenger cars are not motor vehicles because of 18 USC sec. 31" would not apply here.
Thank you for this explanation. It actually makes "sense" as far as that is a meaningful statement used in relation to SovCit shit. lol
Easy... SovCits are a special kind of stupid.
I wish the police would actively look for these folks. They’re honestly a bigger problem than simply driving unregistered vehicles the bigger problem is they simply believe rules that apply to all of us don’t apply to them and that’s a big issue.
If they're parked cars, people who see them should call the non emergency number for the police and report it.
I saw one in a parking lot (posted it here) a year or so ago. Called non emergency with “there’s a sovcit with fake plates parked in the <restaurant> lot” and a few minutes later a cruiser pulled in. Satisfying.
Everyone really should do this, I'm glad you did. The more they get away with it, the more this mind virus spreads. I do understand cops not wanting to be shot on the side of the road in a traffic stop by a sovcit, but this would give them time to be prepared to deal with their nonsense.
Even being a ‘cheap’ Mercedes, you can bet some bank is looking for that car.
My first thought was OF COURSE it's a C-Class... I'm sure they think way too highly of themselves for their bargain basement, factory outlet of a car.
if you're traveling on a public road not sure you're "private"
That car will present fine at the likely Sheriff’s Sale when it’s confiscated during the inevitable traffic stop that turns into a resisting arrest charge.
That's 30 - 50 grand (depending on options)worth of foreign hardware. Doesn't come close to passing the smell test.
Eh, it's a C-class Mercedes... they're the low end models. Now if it was an S-class, I'd be questioning it.
We had one in Berkeley Springs who shot and killed his neighbors who were cutting wood.
Stay off the roads you refuse to pay for!
I mean, if they aren't subject to the laws, then slashing those tires and breaking a few windows isn't really illegal.
First one I've seen in Northern Virginia. Did not have Alexandria & Mercedes on my bingo card.
The park police will have a blast with this guy.
Can we please start a pool to see how many days/tickets/offenses this person racks up before appearing before a judge????? Someone call Vegas!
Window replacement won't be cheap, do they have the glass shop on speed dial?
If they smash into someone are they exempt from getting sued? lmao
So. If uninsured and they hit you.. who pays? Can you sue these critters?
Your insurance company would go after them for what’s owed
Ahh. Never piss off an insurance company
Must be a Maritime Lawyer.....
“NO DRIVER LICENSE OR INSURANCE REQUIRED”
Maybe, but bail will be.
If I was a cop I would so pull over that asshole and his Mercedes.
How hard is moving to Maine if you just wanna skip insurance or morally against mandatory insurance
So when you crash into somebody you just gonna tell them”oh well” and make them fix their car? You have no responsibility at all?
Eh first I stand corrected it’s New Hampshire that doesn’t have a mandatory insurance requirement. second I’m not condoning the lunacy of this movement but merely proposing a solution for them alternative to such antagonization as it is. Third their lack of mandatory insurance did not mean total anarchy, you’d have to show a proof of sufficient financial resource to pay compensation, or if you somehow get around it and default the other party could still sue the driver at fault.
or… maybe, don’t crash into people? I think the personal responsibility starts there (:
Why do so many people here post peoples plates ?