Just watched a video of the Eric Martin guy getting sentenced to jail, and at the end, the judge pointed out to him that his arguments have never worked.
Which leads me to ask, are there any AMAs or other accounts out there of people who went down the sovcit rabbit hole, but managed to pull themselves out of it?
There was a guy who posted here not too long ago who said he fell for the whole Moorish Citizen thing, but found his way back to sane after a traffic stop cop took the time to explain to him how none of his arguments made sense. If I remember, he said the cop's generosity w his time started the SovCit to do his own further research, which brought him back to the real world.
It does happen!
Love that username btw
Did the cop have multiple meetings after with him? I’d think a simple traffic stop can take 20-30 minutes. I can’t imagine deprogramming that quickly.
It might have been a slow day in a rural area.
I think the SovCit’s heart grew 3 sizes that day
Dude only interacted with sovcitizenry in theory and when confronted by reality he realized it doesn't work.
Everyone fell for dumb shit at some point (especially when desperate) but most people are more reasonable than their worst decisions.
There is different levels of in the rabbit hole, seen people in for murder trying to use it as a last defence, which clearly have no reason to give it up
But have also seen a vidoe where a guy dropped it for a driving without a licence as soon as the judge let him know of a program to find and pay the ticket stopping him from legally driving
Also saw one where the guy had just started down the rabbit hole, and the cop was able to talk him out of it.
They achieved joinder!
Are you saying they *gasp\* contracted with one another?!
You overstand!
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Drunk driving and speeding are different crimes from most others. In most other crimes, some harm has already been done to someone - someone has been murdered, robbed, assaulted etc. Drunk driving and speeding on the other hand are crimes because they make the level of risk of harm unacceptably high. This kind of crime is hard for some people to fathom
I'm retired now but used to be a police officer.
I pulled over a guy with no licence, registration expired etc and he did the usual sov shit rubbish.
He was arrested, car towed, judge sentenced him and it cost him over $2000 in fines, court costs, towing fee's etc...
12 months later I saw him again, remembered the car & him, pulled him over - he was fully licenced, registration was correct, insurance up to date... He remembered me also.
He told me 'a friend' steered him down the sov shit path, but now he has seen the errors of this rubbish and he has new friends :)
So the second stop was illegal?
The legality isn't dependent on the result of stop.
Exactly my point. You can't stop someone because you remembered they committed an offense in the past and hope they're committing the same offense again. There was no justification for the second stop.
Another interesting thing would be a case of one sovcit against another.
Dueling red pens
Eric Martin will never learn. I don’t think he’s capable. Some others probably do, but there’s likely many who will still believe but give up because they just can’t get the right magic word combo.
I think he's perfectly capable, but his ego/identity are so wrapped up in his delusions at this point that were he ever to see them for what they are he'd probably disintegrate, Last Crusade-style.
Every time I read this subreddit I want to listen to grace slick singing white rabbit 😂😂😂
Yeah, that dude is a piece of work for sure.
We need an IAMA from one of these guys.
You are assuming, of course, that he believes his own BS.
Eric of the Family Martin.
Get it right or get article III rekt, noob.
Choice
Yes, people do learn, I am unsure of how often.
There are a few vids of people who start a trial going full sov cit, but who stop halfway through
Yeah, I remember seeing one where the guy was up for fraud, not just a misdemeanor, and started with the sovidiot stuff defending himself. About three hearings later he very rationally took a plea deal, with no mention of the usual crap.
When I was young, I briefly got into the "income taxes are illegal" thing. Not quite the same thing, but I'm confident people change their minds here too. They probably just don't advertise it.
There is always the trial of "Mr. Pritchett", where he dropped the act at the sentencing, turned out to be a smart and articulate young man (for someone who had committed an armed robbery), and got sentenced to like 40 years.
Eh the one I knew grew up, joined the armed forces and got arrested for diddling an underage girl in Korea. It's not a great list.
I think most of them try it out of desperation but abandon it pretty quickly when they realize it doesn't work. There have been a few series of court videos where one of them eventually comes around to some semblance of reality. Judge Perkins had one not long ago who eventually agreed to let an attorney represent her. There were also three guys from Utah who all seemed to have a common plan (trying to gin up a conflict of interest so that the Sheriff would get disqualified or something) who suddenly all decided to get lawyers.
We're only seeing a small sample of courtroom and police encounters, and there's a cottage industry of going through FOIA requests to look for interesting videos -- so I think there's a selection bias behind the ones we tend to see or hear about.
We hope that they don't come to their senses. Where would we get our entertainment ?
WE NEED MORE SOVTARDS !!!
Evangelize today, breathe life into a Sovtard
Only a tiny few
I use comedy to show my friends how stupid the Sovcit movement is.For example I write I just paid you a million billion bucks on a piece of paper and hand it to them and say there you are paid from my super secret big birth certificate account they laugh and I give an explanation of how that is essentially what they believe.
You are reaching these keeds
I remember seeing one guy. Usual sov cit stuff of no license, insurance, or registration. He added drunk driving to the list. I watched several trials where did the normal sov cit defense which failed. I think he was on his third DUI where showed up at the actual trial with a lawyer, but he started talking, ran through the usual sov cit tricks which clearly weren't working and his lawyer asked him to sit down and let the lawyer do his job. To my astonishment, he actually did it. The lawyer proceed to tear apart the prosecution's case which was sloppy and had a gaping hole and he got his client off.
I don't know if the sov cit actually learned something, but we can hope.
I've seen one admit it in all my years of sovcits, and he ended up evicted and 20K in debt first.
Sometimes they turn up in the groups to try and find a way to not lose their kids or house, but they're not actually sovcits, just desperate people, and they always drop out.