Yudkowsky, the Sequences, HPMoR, MIRI, CFAR, blackmail, murders, this thing is quite a trip

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    I mean, it has some funny lines that anyone really reading it would find make him look less than intelligent. E.g.:

    In order to succeed, Yudkowsky knew he would need a lot more people — a lot more of a certain kind of person — to join his cause. After sending that 2003 email, he set to work on a series of lengthy essays about overcoming one’s own inherent cognitive biases. (The logic was simple, as one ex-Rationalist put it, “Yud tried to talk to people about AI, and they disagreed with him, and he concluded they were insane and needed to learn how to think better.”) 

    Like, guy with zero background in a technical discipline, other than reading some sci-fi novels, and thinking really hard about makes bold claims about said discipline. People disagree with him. He determines he needs an army so his answer is to write endless blogs convinced the only reason anyone could disagree with him must be because they are insane and and unable to think clearly.

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    It is only the people who disagree with Yud that are insane and need to think better. The ones who agree with him, need to just accept his wisdom and incorporate his ideas as fundamental axioms into their world view, rather than giving any 'sophisticated' consideration to justifying them.

    I like how the economist just doesn’t reply. I think it’s healthy to know when to walk away from a too “smart” for their own good person in conversation.

    The first few paragraphs started strong, and then they decided to describe Rationalism as a "brilliant intellectual community" for no reason whatsoever. Like, they didn't have to do that

    Maybe the rolling stones author is afraid of being unpersoned and having anyone who expresses a willingness to talk with them harassed, like how they treated Cade Metz.

    It's hard to explain how dumb rationalism is without sounding crazy.

    'So, a high school dropout who believed he solved all of philosophy and science wrote a Harry Potter fanfic. Over about two decades, somehow, that community got the ear of billionaires, spawned multiple sex cults, at least one death cult, infiltrated a charity evaluation movement, and reinvigorated a wave of race science not seen since the Bell Curve. The current vice president has name dropped a sibling wannabe cult leader (who wants to encode feudal thought into a programming language and also loves slavery???) as an intellectual influence. Also, to a man they're terrible writers and complete idiots?'

    No one will take you seriously with that pitch.

    (Note: I haven't read the article, since I'm pretty sure I saw the Ziz stuff develop live here. Fuck, I was explaining to a co-worker how we weren't sure if Ziz was even dead before the news broke.)

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    According to the article, he was invited to a dinner party and just like talked up Thiel into giving him money 😭

    That’s absolutely wild. Yud has never struck me as the kind of guy with enough charisma to have someone give him money.

    I think a lot of those types see a certain kind of social awkwardness as evidence of brilliance.

    I'm immediately reminded of Michael Lewis's Going Infinite, where when talking about SBF (who at the time of publication, was a convicted fraudster, even!), he continually breathlessly describes the behavior of the laziest and least curious undergrad you've ever met as though it's obviously a sign of the greatest mind in existence.

    My favorite thing was him being breathlessly amazed that Sam could play a video game and carry on a conversation at the same time, like that's not a skill that almost every millennial and younger person has.

    When someone plays as much as SBF it's mostly muscle memory anyway.

    That’s actually completely fair. That or Thiel has so much money that you could say anything to him and he’ll give you money:

    “Hey Peter I also hate gay people and poor people, can I have a 100,000 dollars?”

    He doesn’t need charisma to tell a bunch of rich idiots what they want to hear.

    He's probably a sparkling charmer next to Thiel.

    I've always assumed it was because of Robin Hanson. EY became his co-blogger for a bit. And Hanson works at GMU, whose econ department is basically owned by the far right. I'm pretty sure there's also a connection to Patri Friedman (son of """anarcho"""-capitalist David D Friedman, grandson of right-wing economist Milton Friedman) of seasteading fame. Those connections put him in the right place.

    I vaguely remember a New Yorker article, title was something like Against Death and Taxes, talking about EY and Thiel meeting at a party in the 2000s and arguing about reverse stupidity or something. Maybe that was the start.

    EDIT: Again it's why this story is so hard to believe. 'High school dropout woos vampire billionaire who thinks women shouldn't vote through his connection with cuckold obsessed right-wing economist, whose grad students had to hold him down to stop him from writing even more blogposts about government run rape camps. (But the blogger was opposed to government run rape camps, because he's opposed to government intervention. By contrast, he thinks orphaned children should be sold to cannibals, as long as the cannibal can pay.)'

    That New Yorker article is here: https://archive.ph/1XDZx

    In 2005, Eliezer Yudkowsky, an artificial-intelligence researcher, met Thiel at a dinner given by the Foresight Institute, a nanotechnology think tank in Palo Alto. They argued about whether someone could have an anti-knack for playing the stock market—whether “reverse stupidity” could be a form of intelligence. Yudkowsky said, “I remember all my conversations with Peter as very pleasant, far-ranging experiences that I would be more tempted to analogize to a real-world I.Q. test than to anything else.”

    A bit later is a description of a Thiel-hosted dinner party Yudkowsky attended, where Yudkowsky and others were disgusted by the suggestion that they might be in a sort of ideological bubble and would benefit from some broad liberal arts education:

    Thiel’s guests seemed as out of place in this candlelit formality as their host. There was David Sacks, Thiel’s friend from Stanford and the co-author of “The Diversity Myth,” and Luke Nosek, the biotech specialist at Founders Fund, and Eliezer Yudkowsky, the artificial-intelligence researcher. Yudkowsky, an autodidact who never went past the eighth grade, is the author of a thousand-page online “fanfic” text called “Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality,” which recasts the original story in an attempt to explain Harry’s wizardry through the scientific method. Then there was Patri Friedman, the founder of the Seasteading Institute. An elfin man with cropped black hair and a thin line of beard, he was dressed in the eccentrically antic manner of Raskolnikov. He lived in Silicon Valley, in an “intentional community” as a free-love libertarian, about which he regularly blogged and tweeted: “Polyamory/competitive govt parallel: more choice/competition yields more challenge, change, growth. Whatever lasts is tougher.”

    The two subjects of conversation were the superiority of entrepreneurship and the worthlessness of higher education. Nosek argued that the best entrepreneurs devoted their lives to a single idea. Founders Fund backed these visionaries and kept them in charge of their own companies, protecting them from the meddling of other venture capitalists, who were prone to replacing them with plodding executives.

    Thiel picked up the theme. There were four places in America where ambitious young people traditionally went, he said: New York, Washington, Los Angeles, and Silicon Valley. The first three were used up; Wall Street lost its allure after the financial crisis. Only Silicon Valley still attracted young people with big dreams—though their ideas had sometimes already been snuffed out by higher education. The Thiel Fellowships would help ambitious young talents change the world before they could be numbed by the establishment.

    I suggested that there was something to be gained from staying in school, reading great works of literature and philosophy, and arguing about ideas with people who have different views. After all, this had been the education of Peter Thiel. In “The Diversity Myth,” he and Sacks wrote, “The antidote to the multiculture is civilization.” I didn’t disagree. Wasn’t the world of libertarian entrepreneurs one more self-enclosed cell of identity politics?

    Around the table, the response was swift and negative. Yudkowsky reported that he was having a “visceral reaction” to what I’d said about great books. Nosek was visibly upset: in high school, in Illinois, he had failed an English class because the teacher had said that he couldn’t write. If something like the Thiel Fellowships had existed, he and others like him could have been spared a lot of pain.

    Thiel was smiling at the turn the conversation had taken. Then he pushed back his chair. “Most dinners go on too long or not long enough,” he said.

  • Now we know why Yud wrote a 40k word essay to say he didn't sleep with any minors (to his knowledge). Lol

  • Glad to hear that the alleged victim in that MIRIcult/Louie Helm drama doesn't testify to any sexual abuse. That was always one of the most egregious missing follow-up questions I've never seen a professional reporter track down.

  • I wish one of these articles would cover the brent dill DMs…

    Is there a good breakdown of those somewhere, ooc?

    I wish. Just what Ziz posted and what I heard about the guy via the UFO scene (he was telling people the rats want him dead).

    Yea, that's what I saw. But tbh, not the most reliable source or well organized. It would be nice if someone more serious went through it and what does/doesn't have what evidence.

    Big problem is that these people will not speak to journos.

    I totally forgot about that. Thanks for posting!!

    Roko apparently has a lawyer on retainer to this day in case of another Kathy incident btw.

  • The stuff about the "rationalist fleet" is making me think of all the weirdo RW stuff (seasteading and the like) which depends on people not understanding that marine corrosion is real bad and boats are bottomless money pits.

    If Ron Hubbard had a fleet, why wouln't they?

    "A boat is a hole in the water in which you throw money".

    Housing market so bad people are going to jump off cliffs to fantasize about escaping it.

  • Infohazard ahoy

  • HOLY SHIT MIRICULT.COM WAS MENTIONED IN A MAINSTREAM PUBLICATION

    I have waited literally years for this.

    I guess I need to check up on this sub more often

  • They honestly remind me of the doomsday cult from Akira (the manga, not the movie)

  • I've read two or three articles on the zizeans and two podcasts about the zizeans

    honestly it's an admirable accomplishment for almost everyone in this story to be iredeemable assholes

    honestly the two women who bounced off when they saw Ziz as she was are the most logical of heroes and whoever narc'd on the zizeans unironically did a good public service

    literally it's miracle there aren't more zizean style murder cults in silicon valley

    silicon valley desperately need to be quaranted and the ideological le4ader thrown in jail

  • and also ZIZ ya should've went to silicon to live a semi normal protected life in Seattle what an absolutely fuck up by her

    and also rationalists flleet lmao