E33 definately started as a pure indie project, and while they are technically not independant, the growing sandfall chose Kepler interactive as its publisher because this is a publisher made by indie devs for indie devs.
Meanwhile Larian is officially independant, but has hundreds of employes and several offices.
The size of its team is also pretty much still indie territory (30ish) even if other people worked on it
Budget is also pretty low, i'm not sure it was that much more expensive than Silksong (not surprising, the massive benefits team cherry made with Hollow knight)
It could be argued its an indie or AA game, both have arguments
E33 is also a landmark because of how new technologies allow for cinematography thats near the level of triple A (if you know how to conserve rescources by making discret money saving arrangements)
I don’t get the logic for that though. Like if an indie game won goty it only makes sense it wins best indie or debut. Definitely agree KCD2 should have gotten best rpg though
The argument mainly is that it's closer to a AA than indie - Sandfall has 33 employees and Kepler is an international publishing partnership of 7 companies, there's really nothing indie about E33. It's an amazing game and absolutely deserves GOTY, but it shouldnt have been nominated for indie.
Kepler is a publisher made specifically for indie devs. The games they publish are of that indie space.
Nobody is calling Sifu not indie because Kepler published it.
Yes, technically these devs are no longer independant. But thats not all Indie is usually used to describe. Its the small scale and budget.
30ish people is still indie Territory.
Will you tell me that Larian, who has no publisher, but hundreds of employees and several offices is more indie than Sandfall ?
As for Budget, i'm not even certain that its that much bigger than Silksong's. Team cherry had money from Hollow knight, and E33 itself cost less than 10 million.
There is also the question of when. For a large portion of its developpement, E33 was unquestionably indie, period.
silksong had a better story - E33's writing is way too convenient (end of act one was 100% a let down) and lack of act 3 being story driven other than just "go home" is crap.
all you fanboy fucks are just proving the point. i honestly dont give a shit about the downvotes. no one is able to provide a good talking point that can actually have a conversation. so downvote all you want. it just proves you eat up garbage.
Silksong didn’t have a better story, but even if it did I doubt the Dark Souls-style of storytelling will ever win awards at this kind of ceremony, it’s just too esoteric for the masses
it probably wont win but it doesnt change that e33's story at the end of act one is a gigantic gimmick. we can agree to disagree about which game had a better story.
lol, i think its just fanboys going over e33 - there's so much bad writing and pacing in e33, but oh noes.... its so perfect lol e33 is fill of gimmicky plot twists, anyone who reads can tell you how convenient and lazy the writing really is. the overall summary story was nice and emotionally well delivered, but there are bits and pieces that just makes you go "ugh" and you want to put it down.
I agree with your take a lot , both takes and I’m just kinda surprised at the absolute dogpiling of a comment praising Silksong… IN A SILKSONG SUBREDDIT.
yah i just like silksong pure story concept better. it's straightforward and demonstrates a better struggle, than some convenience hero appears because some other hero dies "just because" - this flaw in itself at the end of act and the convenience of verso... i have no idea how anyone can think that gigantic crapshoot of an event is a Masterpiece.
tell me about it... no one is able to critically think. oh dont get me started on the fact that maelle sounds like a 30 year old shadowheart from bg3 (oh snap) because its the same va and doing the same voice? i played the game in french because i couldn't stand shadowheart being 16 (don't get me wrong - jennifer is a great voice actor) but there is no range for her to play a 16 year old.
At this point I want people to maybe just stop talking about the game(e33). Also for e33 fans to stop rubbing it in everyone’s faces “best rpg everrrrr.” And yes that fandom is toxic, downvote me, come on!
agree brotha! it's good - but not that good imho. i hate downvotes without any justification. join the convo if you're going to downvote. justify your shitty point of view and at least you would get some respect for speaking.
Here's something you can downvote and a bit of shit posting, if you think sandfall made any of the art for e33 you're dumber than you look. Sandfall hasn't had the time or more importantly, the resources to create that. That's AI. I love what they did with what they had and the time given to them but its not feasible to pump that out especially with the animations and pretend it's your own creation. Hopefully with e33 they get the seed money they've needed to truly give us their masterpiece and we all know they're more than capable. When they do that.... sorry TC they've got your balls.
i googled it and it was a placeholder texture in earlier versions of the game that they forgot to patch out before release. they very quickly did patch it out right after release
Team cherry still would never do that, shortcuts are not in their repitoire. They put more soul into their game than the other devs. Im not saying the soul isn't there in the other nominees im just saying team cherry refuses the handout.
It went beyond textures some of the story including alot of the skybox is still ai generated. Sandfall is peak with shortcut, team cherry is peak no shortcut.
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i feel like expedition 33 deserved goty but not other categories like indie game, indie debut, best rpg etc
Art should have gone to Skong
As someone who enjoyed HK and SS, Expedition 33 earned those rewards.
Indie? Really?
Depends on the definition of indie.
E33 definately started as a pure indie project, and while they are technically not independant, the growing sandfall chose Kepler interactive as its publisher because this is a publisher made by indie devs for indie devs. Meanwhile Larian is officially independant, but has hundreds of employes and several offices.
The size of its team is also pretty much still indie territory (30ish) even if other people worked on it
Budget is also pretty low, i'm not sure it was that much more expensive than Silksong (not surprising, the massive benefits team cherry made with Hollow knight)
It could be argued its an indie or AA game, both have arguments
E33 is also a landmark because of how new technologies allow for cinematography thats near the level of triple A (if you know how to conserve rescources by making discret money saving arrangements)
As someone who enjoyed all 3. They did not.
I don’t get the logic for that though. Like if an indie game won goty it only makes sense it wins best indie or debut. Definitely agree KCD2 should have gotten best rpg though
The argument mainly is that it's closer to a AA than indie - Sandfall has 33 employees and Kepler is an international publishing partnership of 7 companies, there's really nothing indie about E33. It's an amazing game and absolutely deserves GOTY, but it shouldnt have been nominated for indie.
Kepler is a publisher made specifically for indie devs. The games they publish are of that indie space. Nobody is calling Sifu not indie because Kepler published it.
Yes, technically these devs are no longer independant. But thats not all Indie is usually used to describe. Its the small scale and budget.
30ish people is still indie Territory.
Will you tell me that Larian, who has no publisher, but hundreds of employees and several offices is more indie than Sandfall ?
As for Budget, i'm not even certain that its that much bigger than Silksong's. Team cherry had money from Hollow knight, and E33 itself cost less than 10 million.
There is also the question of when. For a large portion of its developpement, E33 was unquestionably indie, period.
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What other game crashed retail servers on release? I'm waiting....
silksong had a better story - E33's writing is way too convenient (end of act one was 100% a let down) and lack of act 3 being story driven other than just "go home" is crap.
all you fanboy fucks are just proving the point. i honestly dont give a shit about the downvotes. no one is able to provide a good talking point that can actually have a conversation. so downvote all you want. it just proves you eat up garbage.
Silksong didn’t have a better story, but even if it did I doubt the Dark Souls-style of storytelling will ever win awards at this kind of ceremony, it’s just too esoteric for the masses
it probably wont win but it doesnt change that e33's story at the end of act one is a gigantic gimmick. we can agree to disagree about which game had a better story.
Just today a DLC came out that adds act 3, to enter it you need to have a skill
Holy downvotes. Can’t escape the “Expedition 33” is better than everything else even on the Silksong subreddit….
lol, i think its just fanboys going over e33 - there's so much bad writing and pacing in e33, but oh noes.... its so perfect lol e33 is fill of gimmicky plot twists, anyone who reads can tell you how convenient and lazy the writing really is. the overall summary story was nice and emotionally well delivered, but there are bits and pieces that just makes you go "ugh" and you want to put it down.
I agree with your take a lot , both takes and I’m just kinda surprised at the absolute dogpiling of a comment praising Silksong… IN A SILKSONG SUBREDDIT.
yah i just like silksong pure story concept better. it's straightforward and demonstrates a better struggle, than some convenience hero appears because some other hero dies "just because" - this flaw in itself at the end of act and the convenience of verso... i have no idea how anyone can think that gigantic crapshoot of an event is a Masterpiece.
I just feel like I’m going crazy because it seems like everyone else thinks it’s the best game of the last 2 decades or hells forbid EVER.
tell me about it... no one is able to critically think. oh dont get me started on the fact that maelle sounds like a 30 year old shadowheart from bg3 (oh snap) because its the same va and doing the same voice? i played the game in french because i couldn't stand shadowheart being 16 (don't get me wrong - jennifer is a great voice actor) but there is no range for her to play a 16 year old.
At this point I want people to maybe just stop talking about the game(e33). Also for e33 fans to stop rubbing it in everyone’s faces “best rpg everrrrr.” And yes that fandom is toxic, downvote me, come on!
agree brotha! it's good - but not that good imho. i hate downvotes without any justification. join the convo if you're going to downvote. justify your shitty point of view and at least you would get some respect for speaking.
It's his terrible attitude mate. I don't care what their opinion is, phrase it like that and you deserve the downvotes
Holy moly, I hope this is bait for your sake friend
yes and no. its a post proving how uttery gimp the community really is now.
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Silksong didn't have any ai content can e33 say the same? Yeah thats what I thought!
uh why do you think e33 used ai?
Here's something you can downvote and a bit of shit posting, if you think sandfall made any of the art for e33 you're dumber than you look. Sandfall hasn't had the time or more importantly, the resources to create that. That's AI. I love what they did with what they had and the time given to them but its not feasible to pump that out especially with the animations and pretend it's your own creation. Hopefully with e33 they get the seed money they've needed to truly give us their masterpiece and we all know they're more than capable. When they do that.... sorry TC they've got your balls.
..just a matter of time.....
Atleast sandfall can say they used ai as a tool and not an end product. Not many triple a games can say that anymore.
Many ai generators do not require you to label it ai and it is 100% your property. That doesn't mean you made it.
They admitted it and you can google it.
i googled it and it was a placeholder texture in earlier versions of the game that they forgot to patch out before release. they very quickly did patch it out right after release
Team cherry still would never do that, shortcuts are not in their repitoire. They put more soul into their game than the other devs. Im not saying the soul isn't there in the other nominees im just saying team cherry refuses the handout.
If you think any programmer in the world isn't using shortcuts, I've got a bridge to sell you.
I'm not speaking I'll about sandfall I love e33 but this is a no brainer.
It went beyond textures some of the story including alot of the skybox is still ai generated. Sandfall is peak with shortcut, team cherry is peak no shortcut.
Watch the interview.
link the interview. also jesus christ you are unhinged about this. relax a little
Glaze sandfall all you want it changes nothing. Team cherry won this year hands down and everyone fucking knows it.
team cherry knows they didnt. grow up
Did sandfall crash every retail platform on release day? No? Oh thats weird, team cherry did.
how long have people waited for e33? yeah, thats what i thought!