That's not him. Just a meme with misinformation. He did have the "I knew it" laugh when E33 won Goty though 🤣. Like does he even care about the "game press" when most cameo and people in DeathStranding are musician, singer, actor/actress and director. Like he has 4 different film directors doing face mocap for his characters lol. Dollman (human form), Heartman, Deadman, Tarman and some delivery hologram are all Film directors
Best indie game is when it went too far. Like, how tf are actual indie games meant to compete with that? Even expecting them to go up against Silksong is unfair.
It's tiny in terms of manpower but not in budget. Let's not forget how much team cherry made off the first game and would have reinvested into this one. Realistically if they were going to limit that category by budget Hades 2, silksong and e33 wouldn't have been allowed in
HK would’ve received the exact same type of money from the Aus government through Screen Australia. Grants to support local businesses and artistic pursuits exist virtually everywhere. A 4X strat game I play has received cash from the state of Colorado of all places. Other groups like the UK Games Fund supports wayyy too many devs to list them all and Germany, the EU, a Nordic cooperative and more all have an equivalent.
The point is it being "Independent" if they have outside help in producing the game is no longer an independent production.
Also to be clear the fact that the government of these countries support game developers because they recognize the art significance of them I think is extremely based and more countries should do it
then you would disqualify any game published by devolver digital too? not saying that's fully wrong, but a lot of people would probably quuestion you if you said cult of the lamb or ballXpit wasn't an indie
if they have outside help in producing the game is no longer an independent production.
i don't think this is exactly true, because going off of it then the original hollow knight wouldn't be an indie game either, which is obviously false. I think "if they have help in producing the game from a major corporation or entity, then it is no longer an independent production.".
It really is. All I've learned from this weird discourse over the awards is that the general gaming community's definition of an indie game is entirely vibes based at best. And whenever people do try to set a standard (budget, having a publishing company or other third party investor, etc.) it usually turns out to knock out a bunch of games most people would consider indie, because the industry isn't black and white and the argument is usually weirdly gatekeepy.
Frankly it's no surprise I only saw this debate really start when people realized several big indie games would be "fighting" for an award and they started wanting excuses. As if the award even really matters.
government supporting anything means they are using public money for that thing, money that most people would prefer not gotten taxed on if they knew is being used on something they don't want.
Bro there is no point I'm mentioning an actual fact and getting down voted for it. That's all that anyone needs to take away from this fucking discussion. Can't handle the facts
1.Rude, calling people slow because of a point on the internet
2.Yes what you said was true. Goverments do fund some games, artists etc. but none of the game discussed for winning this category are funded by the goverment, so what you said was not important
ETA: Sandfall was funded by Kepler, imo the claim about “french government funding” is bogus and if they received some money, it was probably not substantial.
I still think Silksong should have gotten the indie win and that the definition of TGA is bogus.
If you look at the credits there are 400 people, Hades has like 130 and silksong has like 90
As for the French government, I didnt find a specific article stating it but this talks a bit about finding and mentions several grants, I've also seen the thing of grants being mentioned a bunch even before the whole game awards debacle.
“It was funded by the french government” still seems like a silly and misleading statement to me when Kepler funded the main part of those 10m, and whatever the French government would have contributed would have been minuscule.
I mean TGA’s definition of “indie” is bullshit and Silksong should have gotten that win - I certainly voted for it - but I think claims such as this one without context or specifics are really not helping. Such claims are suggesting things that aren’t true - I mean any french gov funding would be so minuscule as to be irrelevant compared to the 10m total.
Ah la la, the famous "it is not even an indie game". Well, neither the scenarist nor the composer was professional in the video game (or even in scenario or music composition) when they started. They asked for voice actors and scenarists HERE on reddit.... Sandfall Interactive was founded less than 5 years ago by the creators of E33 in order to make the game possible. They had to join Keepler, a consortium of indie studios. And, af for the 30 people in Montpellier (the core team), it was their first job for almost all of them.
But, true, E33 had a budget. Maybe we need a category by cost or by number of developers, but saying that E33 is not indie is unfair.
There is currently no criteria right now beyond whoever gets the most votes from the people they ring up to do the judging. They could vote FIFA 25 as indie game of the year and that's what it would be.
I'd say it's unfair to call E33 indie because it isn't in any meaningful way. A load of industry professionals making a $10 million 3D action game is not something indie devs can compete with. Silksong barely manages and it has unlimited money + 7 years dev time.
By those means games like Stardew Valley, Celeste, Outer Wilds, Inscription, Katana Zero and many others that are widely considered indie do not fit the category - all of them had a 3rd party publisher.
Calm down. I read on the Game Awards: "...a game made outside the traditional publisher system."
Kepler Interactive is a publisher, yes, but it was founded by independent developers. It is more like a cooperative than a "traditional publisher".
If you want to apply your strict definition (in bold!) to cooperative, fair enough! On your own definition, KCD2 is not indie as well. It is fine for me as well. It just seems to make as little sense as the Game Awards definition. Passing by a publisher doesn't change the nature of the game. Actually, Silksong could have passed through a publisher (let us imagine that) and still be the exact same game.
The difference is maybe money or the size of the team. In that sense, it seems unrealistic to fund ambitious games without a publisher because you need money. Maybe that is what you want, keeping indie games to modest productions. If it so, maybe that is how the award should be called - "best low budget/tiny team award".
Indeed, E33 is not a very-low budget game, it is a (low-budget) AA indie game (that, for me, means, being independent from a big/traditional studio/publisher and with a high artistic independence)
Yes, the only indie on there was Silksong, and that’s my entire point.
Instead of showing off games that had a publisher and through that, a decent budget, then maybe they should show off actual indie games that usually start from and end with basically nothing in budget. Silksong earned its way there as they kept independent but they are also a incredibly rare occurrence.
That non-indie games win an ’best independent’ award is an insult to independent games.
Also your comment on ”maybe that’s what you want, keeping indie games modest’ is incredibly jarring. No, I want actual indie games that don’t have a publisher to win instead of games that have 10+ million budgets that they got from their publisher. I’m fine with true indie games having solid budgets, many of them get angel investor or cultural money.
If none of the other nominees are “indie”, then Silksong sure as hell isn’t either. Blue Prince was a first time dev with 2 blokes helping with art and stuff. Team Cherry on the other hand have a dragon’s hoard worth of cash thanks to how successful Hollow Knight was, absolutely no way you can consider TC small time devs at this point.
True. I don't know what kind of help Team Cherry used during the process, but I guess it was not as massive as for E33. Maybe, indeed, we can draw a line to support studios, but I don't think it is unfair to consider that E33 is indie, if you compare it to any regular production. Maybe it is better to have a category for tiny team or for tiny budget, but as an independent game (from the big editors/studios/tech companies) and as a first independent game, E33 is not a fraud.
I'm okay with a new studio with experienced vets being up for debut awards.
It's the fact that E33 had a publisher (albeit an independent one) that provided a decent budget that bothers me. Self-publishing should probably be a requirement for indie awards.
Wait how is publisher independent? Shouldn't every publisher be dependent on studios that make the games, places and apps to advertise and all the other publisher things? Are we slapping the term "independent" to every small company now?
Is there really a clear difference and I dont understand something or what?
To make matters worse. Think about Kojima's studios. Is he indie?
Both Indie and RPG are terms that have become way too wide to work as meaningful definitions.
Look at the indiest looking game in the Indie Debut category, Despelote.
Welp, its dev is the son of a relatively well-known film director. The game got funding by the government of its country. And they have an international publisher, too.
They even outsourced a security guard to grab footage from a sketchy part of town lmao. Credited on the game.
Now, I'm not saying it is not Indie. Because it is just by looking at it, but definitions can be twisted in may ways and that's where we are now.
To everyone who is upset about E33 winning everything, just adopt the mindset of Team Cherry. They clearly don't care either since they did not attend the event, and they're just chilling working on the Silksong dlc.
You make silkposts. Fake teasers, fake release dates, fake releases. If we don’t then Team Cherry will have to make real ones, which will slow down the process.
Maybe they did that until 2023, then they started asking chat gpt to summarize the Reddit instead. “Nothing new,” okay great that saves 10 hours a day of production time.
I like some things and I like when those things win. You ever seen sports games before? It's not like the team losing actually affects the fans physically.
It's really nothing like sports. Sports play using a set of rules to determine who's better via the scoring system. The teams/participants choose to compete. It's a designed competition. The ultimate winner is determined by measurable results
Video game design is art and subjective. The Silksong devs didn't make this for competitive purposes. What some random panel thinks is the best game doesn't matter because it's not measurable and doesn't actually mean Silksong is any better or worse. It's more like being a fan of apples and getting upset that some panel decided oranges were a better fruit
Sports play using a set of rules to determine who's better via the scoring system.
Yet you'd be shocked how many people think their team is best even when the scoring system disagrees. So in that regard, my position being subjective makes it much more reasonable than sports.
It's more like being a fan of apples and getting upset that some panel decided oranges were a better fruit
If such a panel was set up, its poor decision would irk me.
It's fine to like things you like doing well, but getting pissy and making excuses when the thing you like "loses" is literally childish behaviour. It has no effect on your life, move on and continue to support the thing you like in a more positive and uplifting way instead of trying to drag down the thing you don't like.
Amazing how many idiots make this point without realising that them ctiticising my critique of the game awards is equally childish and pissy as me criticising the game awards, if not more so given you have literally zero reason to even tangentially care.
I honestly don't get how many people visit subreddits of exceptional games that lost an award vs e33 and try to tell them not to care, be positive, and celebrate in general about the state of gaming.
Like how are they so offended that people are not agreeing with a bunch of badly thought out award category wins and acting like it does not matter (in an event games pay to be shown and with millons of viewers) while at the same time praising e33 as game of the decade which just skill diffed everything else.
How is it weird that in such a subjective field people get controversial about the biggest sweep yet and perhaps ever in the game awards, especially when it happened in a year where most games released were praised for their qualities by their respective fans and critics.
Silksong developed a really weird, really fascinating cult like following well before it was even released. It's not enough to really enjoy the game for what it is, thou shalt acknowledge that thy Silksong is perfect and the greatest game that ever was or ever will be. There's just something about it that people take personally, as if they were the ones who poured their heart and soul into making the damn thing. I don't fully get it myself.
The overly emotional attachment. Like some people here take it personally that Silksong didn't win some made up awards. The devs don't care, the game doesn't care, but some of these fans get all riled up to defend the game as if the game not winning is somehow a reflection on themselves. That for some reason their fandom needs to be validated
Okay I get what you mean that it has parasocial energy. I think some people identify with being a silksong player which is bound to happen if they browse this subreddit.
“Made up award” -> given based on solely subjective criteria
“Real award” -> given in response to an objective feat (fastest runner in the race etc)
Is usually how I see people quantify the differences here.
You said don’t upvote if you agree, use the text box instead.
I didn't specifically say that. I said downvotes aren't for disagreeing or disliking. There's a text box you can put words in to show you disagree.
The result is “this” comments, a simple agree in text form. Not a stretch to imagine.
No that isn't the result. That's how some lazy brainlets might use it.
What do you think they are for?
They're to push comments up or down that contribute to a discussion. They're meant to be used independently of whether you like or agree with the comment. Because they're about discussion.
Reddit originated in a time where people wouldn't suffer emotional damage from having a conversation with someone where they didn't agree. Instead of nowadays where people get all emotional and suck off the downvote and block buttons when they see comments they don't like or agree with.
Okay, well you said “downvotes aren’t for disagreeing or disliking,” in every comment so far, and 3 out of 4 of them only had 2 sentences which makes repeating yourself even worse.
You are not contributing to the conversation, you are just repeating your original comment over and over with no revision. How are you so high and mighty about the quality of conversation when you suck this much at it?
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Kojima apparently walked out.
That's not him. Just a meme with misinformation. He did have the "I knew it" laugh when E33 won Goty though 🤣. Like does he even care about the "game press" when most cameo and people in DeathStranding are musician, singer, actor/actress and director. Like he has 4 different film directors doing face mocap for his characters lol. Dollman (human form), Heartman, Deadman, Tarman and some delivery hologram are all Film directors
Best indie game is when it went too far. Like, how tf are actual indie games meant to compete with that? Even expecting them to go up against Silksong is unfair.
It was funded by the French government, even the second largest team was like 1/3 the size
The first part doesn’t say much. French has cultural grants for a lot including game development. That’s actually not uniqe at all to them either.
It also likely had a similar budget to hades 2.
hades 2 should also be considered AA, tbf
Hades also probably shouldn’t be included, but Silksong is still tiny
It's tiny in terms of manpower but not in budget. Let's not forget how much team cherry made off the first game and would have reinvested into this one. Realistically if they were going to limit that category by budget Hades 2, silksong and e33 wouldn't have been allowed in
Maybe something like budget over time developed would work but I'm not exactly sure if that's the solution either
French government? Now i despise e33, fuck e33
Jesus that's dumb as hell. Blame the VGA's for categorizing E33 as an Indie and the media who voted for it...not the devs
It’s a joke about hating French people which is kind of a meme, not about the budget
Ah kk, my bad
fuck e33. All my homies hate e33. But love e1331.
I earnestly hope this wasn't a serious comment.
Don’t worry. It was not yes is. Twelve.
Silksong was funded by the Australian government
HK would’ve received the exact same type of money from the Aus government through Screen Australia. Grants to support local businesses and artistic pursuits exist virtually everywhere. A 4X strat game I play has received cash from the state of Colorado of all places. Other groups like the UK Games Fund supports wayyy too many devs to list them all and Germany, the EU, a Nordic cooperative and more all have an equivalent.
Yeah dude a lot of governments support artists, musicians, and the like. They just apply for a grant. The Canadian government does this.
The point is it being "Independent" if they have outside help in producing the game is no longer an independent production.
Also to be clear the fact that the government of these countries support game developers because they recognize the art significance of them I think is extremely based and more countries should do it
then you would disqualify any game published by devolver digital too? not saying that's fully wrong, but a lot of people would probably quuestion you if you said cult of the lamb or ballXpit wasn't an indie
i don't think this is exactly true, because going off of it then the original hollow knight wouldn't be an indie game either, which is obviously false. I think "if they have help in producing the game from a major corporation or entity, then it is no longer an independent production.".
I didn't think of that and what you said makes the most sense, especially for how indie take their budget nowadays (manly thanks to fans support)
No one can even agree on the definition of an Indie game so this discourse just sounds like sour grapes to me.
It really is. All I've learned from this weird discourse over the awards is that the general gaming community's definition of an indie game is entirely vibes based at best. And whenever people do try to set a standard (budget, having a publishing company or other third party investor, etc.) it usually turns out to knock out a bunch of games most people would consider indie, because the industry isn't black and white and the argument is usually weirdly gatekeepy.
Frankly it's no surprise I only saw this debate really start when people realized several big indie games would be "fighting" for an award and they started wanting excuses. As if the award even really matters.
government supporting anything means they are using public money for that thing, money that most people would prefer not gotten taxed on if they knew is being used on something they don't want.
We wanted good games, did we not?
A lot of people wants some kind of art, not every single citizen in France.
Well, the French are too happy for their own good
Bro there is no point I'm mentioning an actual fact and getting down voted for it. That's all that anyone needs to take away from this fucking discussion. Can't handle the facts
people arent downvoting you because you said a fact, they are downvoting you because you said a fact unrelated to this discussion
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1.Rude, calling people slow because of a point on the internet
2.Yes what you said was true. Goverments do fund some games, artists etc. but none of the game discussed for winning this category are funded by the goverment, so what you said was not important
Damn, throwing the r-slur around because you politely explained his downvotes. This guy has issues.
Suddenly, Pineapples!
Can you actually back that up?
ETA: Sandfall was funded by Kepler, imo the claim about “french government funding” is bogus and if they received some money, it was probably not substantial.
I still think Silksong should have gotten the indie win and that the definition of TGA is bogus.
If you look at the credits there are 400 people, Hades has like 130 and silksong has like 90
As for the French government, I didnt find a specific article stating it but this talks a bit about finding and mentions several grants, I've also seen the thing of grants being mentioned a bunch even before the whole game awards debacle.
https://wnhub.io/news/other/item-49552
“It was funded by the french government” still seems like a silly and misleading statement to me when Kepler funded the main part of those 10m, and whatever the French government would have contributed would have been minuscule.
I mean TGA’s definition of “indie” is bullshit and Silksong should have gotten that win - I certainly voted for it - but I think claims such as this one without context or specifics are really not helping. Such claims are suggesting things that aren’t true - I mean any french gov funding would be so minuscule as to be irrelevant compared to the 10m total.
E33 isn't even an indie game
its literally a AA game
People say it didn't deserve best RPG either. That KCD2 is the better RPG game for the actual 'RP' part.
Yea it always kinda irks me how game with zero role playing get called RPGs because they have turn based combat.
Ah la la, the famous "it is not even an indie game". Well, neither the scenarist nor the composer was professional in the video game (or even in scenario or music composition) when they started. They asked for voice actors and scenarists HERE on reddit.... Sandfall Interactive was founded less than 5 years ago by the creators of E33 in order to make the game possible. They had to join Keepler, a consortium of indie studios. And, af for the 30 people in Montpellier (the core team), it was their first job for almost all of them.
But, true, E33 had a budget. Maybe we need a category by cost or by number of developers, but saying that E33 is not indie is unfair.
There is currently no criteria right now beyond whoever gets the most votes from the people they ring up to do the judging. They could vote FIFA 25 as indie game of the year and that's what it would be.
I'd say it's unfair to call E33 indie because it isn't in any meaningful way. A load of industry professionals making a $10 million 3D action game is not something indie devs can compete with. Silksong barely manages and it has unlimited money + 7 years dev time.
They are not an indie by the definition of what indie means; to not have an publisher — to be independent
By those means games like Stardew Valley, Celeste, Outer Wilds, Inscription, Katana Zero and many others that are widely considered indie do not fit the category - all of them had a 3rd party publisher.
Calm down. I read on the Game Awards: "...a game made outside the traditional publisher system."
Kepler Interactive is a publisher, yes, but it was founded by independent developers. It is more like a cooperative than a "traditional publisher".
If you want to apply your strict definition (in bold!) to cooperative, fair enough! On your own definition, KCD2 is not indie as well. It is fine for me as well. It just seems to make as little sense as the Game Awards definition. Passing by a publisher doesn't change the nature of the game. Actually, Silksong could have passed through a publisher (let us imagine that) and still be the exact same game.
The difference is maybe money or the size of the team. In that sense, it seems unrealistic to fund ambitious games without a publisher because you need money. Maybe that is what you want, keeping indie games to modest productions. If it so, maybe that is how the award should be called - "best low budget/tiny team award".
Indeed, E33 is not a very-low budget game, it is a (low-budget) AA indie game (that, for me, means, being independent from a big/traditional studio/publisher and with a high artistic independence)
Yes, the only indie on there was Silksong, and that’s my entire point.
Instead of showing off games that had a publisher and through that, a decent budget, then maybe they should show off actual indie games that usually start from and end with basically nothing in budget. Silksong earned its way there as they kept independent but they are also a incredibly rare occurrence.
That non-indie games win an ’best independent’ award is an insult to independent games.
Also your comment on ”maybe that’s what you want, keeping indie games modest’ is incredibly jarring. No, I want actual indie games that don’t have a publisher to win instead of games that have 10+ million budgets that they got from their publisher. I’m fine with true indie games having solid budgets, many of them get angel investor or cultural money.
If none of the other nominees are “indie”, then Silksong sure as hell isn’t either. Blue Prince was a first time dev with 2 blokes helping with art and stuff. Team Cherry on the other hand have a dragon’s hoard worth of cash thanks to how successful Hollow Knight was, absolutely no way you can consider TC small time devs at this point.
Slay the Spire has a publisher. As does Genital Jousting, of all games.
Right but they had a bunch of support studios doing work beyond just normal things for indie studios like translation
True. I don't know what kind of help Team Cherry used during the process, but I guess it was not as massive as for E33. Maybe, indeed, we can draw a line to support studios, but I don't think it is unfair to consider that E33 is indie, if you compare it to any regular production. Maybe it is better to have a category for tiny team or for tiny budget, but as an independent game (from the big editors/studios/tech companies) and as a first independent game, E33 is not a fraud.
God. The people here are salty. Silksong is good but is it stellar? Hell no. E33 was defining for this year just like Bg3 was before.
Silksong is just Hollow Knight 2 and has some questionable design choices.
E33 is an indie game.
and best debut game even though the developers used to work for ubisoft
I'm okay with a new studio with experienced vets being up for debut awards.
It's the fact that E33 had a publisher (albeit an independent one) that provided a decent budget that bothers me. Self-publishing should probably be a requirement for indie awards.
But that’s TGA’s fault, not Sandfall’s. Their definition of “indie” is shit.
Never said it was Sandfall's.
Never said you did.
I don't mind them being nominated for debut but I think blue prince should've won debut cuz that guy had literally never made a game before
blame the VGA's then. None of this is the fault of the E33 devs yet butthurt fanboys feel the need to shit on the game. Such a bad look
I never said I was blaming the devs, and E33 was my personal GOTY lol.
Wait how is publisher independent? Shouldn't every publisher be dependent on studios that make the games, places and apps to advertise and all the other publisher things? Are we slapping the term "independent" to every small company now?
Is there really a clear difference and I dont understand something or what?
Kepler was originally created through an alliance of seven different independent studios.
What's the definition of independent lol
Oh no, the people who made it had jobs before they made the game 😱😱😱
Debut game by devs who've made games before. Huh
You really are that dense huh
The award for debut game is for a STUDIO’s first game.
Guess what, most of the games in this category year over year have people working on it who have done it before.
To make matters worse. Think about Kojima's studios. Is he indie?
Both Indie and RPG are terms that have become way too wide to work as meaningful definitions.
Look at the indiest looking game in the Indie Debut category, Despelote.
Welp, its dev is the son of a relatively well-known film director. The game got funding by the government of its country. And they have an international publisher, too.
They even outsourced a security guard to grab footage from a sketchy part of town lmao. Credited on the game.
Now, I'm not saying it is not Indie. Because it is just by looking at it, but definitions can be twisted in may ways and that's where we are now.
To everyone who is upset about E33 winning everything, just adopt the mindset of Team Cherry. They clearly don't care either since they did not attend the event, and they're just chilling working on the Silksong dlc.
How do we work on the silksong dlc? /j
You make silkposts. Fake teasers, fake release dates, fake releases. If we don’t then Team Cherry will have to make real ones, which will slow down the process.
Plot twist: the Devs actively scan the subreddit to find potential ideas which slows down the release process
Maybe they did that until 2023, then they started asking chat gpt to summarize the Reddit instead. “Nothing new,” okay great that saves 10 hours a day of production time.
Learn to mod ;)
I'm fine with how things went but I do admit best indie game peeved me lol
Didn’t the devs make like $2mm per employee per year of development on release day alone? I don’t think they give a fuck LOL
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I’m on it. Check the news tomorrow, won’t matter what channel. You’re welcome.
Feels like there's some weird parasocial energy with how much this upsets some people
You care about things? Must be mental illness. I learned a new buzzword on the internet to diagnose this recently.
Okay, sure. But what's to care about? The game awards wouldnt go to you.
Why is it so upsetting though it takes nothing away from the game
I like some things and I like when those things win. You ever seen sports games before? It's not like the team losing actually affects the fans physically.
“It’s perfectly normal. Look, sports fans do it too,” is not convincing to me.
When everyone is weird except you…
It's really nothing like sports. Sports play using a set of rules to determine who's better via the scoring system. The teams/participants choose to compete. It's a designed competition. The ultimate winner is determined by measurable results
Video game design is art and subjective. The Silksong devs didn't make this for competitive purposes. What some random panel thinks is the best game doesn't matter because it's not measurable and doesn't actually mean Silksong is any better or worse. It's more like being a fan of apples and getting upset that some panel decided oranges were a better fruit
Yet you'd be shocked how many people think their team is best even when the scoring system disagrees. So in that regard, my position being subjective makes it much more reasonable than sports.
If such a panel was set up, its poor decision would irk me.
It's fine to like things you like doing well, but getting pissy and making excuses when the thing you like "loses" is literally childish behaviour. It has no effect on your life, move on and continue to support the thing you like in a more positive and uplifting way instead of trying to drag down the thing you don't like.
Amazing how many idiots make this point without realising that them ctiticising my critique of the game awards is equally childish and pissy as me criticising the game awards, if not more so given you have literally zero reason to even tangentially care.
I honestly don't get how many people visit subreddits of exceptional games that lost an award vs e33 and try to tell them not to care, be positive, and celebrate in general about the state of gaming.
Like how are they so offended that people are not agreeing with a bunch of badly thought out award category wins and acting like it does not matter (in an event games pay to be shown and with millons of viewers) while at the same time praising e33 as game of the decade which just skill diffed everything else.
How is it weird that in such a subjective field people get controversial about the biggest sweep yet and perhaps ever in the game awards, especially when it happened in a year where most games released were praised for their qualities by their respective fans and critics.
Parasocial isn’t a mental illness genius.
I've been shitting on TGA since 2020. You should to. As every award system it's biased shit.
Why waste the effort on a meaningless award show
Why is this getting downvoted
Silksong developed a really weird, really fascinating cult like following well before it was even released. It's not enough to really enjoy the game for what it is, thou shalt acknowledge that thy Silksong is perfect and the greatest game that ever was or ever will be. There's just something about it that people take personally, as if they were the ones who poured their heart and soul into making the damn thing. I don't fully get it myself.
I agree with you but E3 fans have a similar mindset...and this is coming from someone who loves Silksong and has E33 in my top 5 all-time.
Reddit-pilled gamers get upset when someone says something logical that goes against their Cheeto-dusted vision
Because the event is not meaningless? Its super popular and the reach it can provide to games is crazy.
I think its dumb but how is it parasocial?
The overly emotional attachment. Like some people here take it personally that Silksong didn't win some made up awards. The devs don't care, the game doesn't care, but some of these fans get all riled up to defend the game as if the game not winning is somehow a reflection on themselves. That for some reason their fandom needs to be validated
Okay I get what you mean that it has parasocial energy. I think some people identify with being a silksong player which is bound to happen if they browse this subreddit.
I mostly agree but I find it funny when people say 'made up awards'. Like, in contrast to real life awards?
“Made up award” -> given based on solely subjective criteria
“Real award” -> given in response to an objective feat (fastest runner in the race etc)
Is usually how I see people quantify the differences here.
Cause there is lol
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"Please daddy, we're hungry!"
They just made some people hate e33
Who cares about awards?
E33 didn’t control the awards ceremony lmao, this is on the academy
https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1pkkta6/seeing_people_shit_on_expedition_33_because/
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At least bananza deserves it
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I downvote because I disagree
Reddit user when they have a disagreeable opinion and the button specifically dedicated to showing you have a disagreeable opinion is used
Downvotes aren't for disliking or disagreeing.
so disagreeable then
No, they're not for disliking or disagreeing. That's why there's a text box.
You the type of mf to write “this” aren’t you? Just upvote downvote mate, you don’t gotta type it out.
What a weird thing to imagine.
They're not agree/disagree or like/dislike buttons little buddy.
You said don’t upvote if you agree, use the text box instead. The result is “this” comments, a simple agree in text form. Not a stretch to imagine.
What do you think they are for?
I didn't specifically say that. I said downvotes aren't for disagreeing or disliking. There's a text box you can put words in to show you disagree.
No that isn't the result. That's how some lazy brainlets might use it.
They're to push comments up or down that contribute to a discussion. They're meant to be used independently of whether you like or agree with the comment. Because they're about discussion.
Reddit originated in a time where people wouldn't suffer emotional damage from having a conversation with someone where they didn't agree. Instead of nowadays where people get all emotional and suck off the downvote and block buttons when they see comments they don't like or agree with.
Okay, well you said “downvotes aren’t for disagreeing or disliking,” in every comment so far, and 3 out of 4 of them only had 2 sentences which makes repeating yourself even worse.
You are not contributing to the conversation, you are just repeating your original comment over and over with no revision. How are you so high and mighty about the quality of conversation when you suck this much at it?
A text box is for disagreement? What about when I want to agree with someone? What about the upvote, is that not for when you agree with someone?
Of course it is. What kinda question is that?
You type it in the text box...
Nope. They're not for agreeing or liking. Reddit's official stance is this.
🤓🤓 "reddits official stance is this" okay redditor.
The text boxes are for conversation, not disagreements or agreements. Thought youd comprehend that at least
*Reddit's
Punctuation isn't hard little buddy.
Do you think agreements and disagreemets exist in isolation outside of conversation?
Did you really just say that? 😂
Ah, in redditors typical fashion, talking about pointless grammar. An apostrophe no less.
You specifically said text boxes are for disagreements. Nothing else. This last sentence almost makes me as bad a redditor as you though. That(')s sad
I lowkey agree with you but you're annoying af so im downvoting
I disagree and downvoted you
You're factually incorrect.
It is factually correct that I disagree with your previous statement. It is also factually correct that I downvoted you.
Your comment on my factual incorrectness is factually incorrect.
You seem a bit special.
Wrong.
Nope.
downvoted for being right 😔
I'm used to it. The average IQ on this sub in particular seems to be pretty low.
Its a great game but some awards it got are silly and dont fit
ur opinion
I played for not even 10 hours. I'm as addicted as when i got my hands on silksong. Oh wait it's ragebait. (Please tell me it is)
bro its not its an opinion