You only need two versions of this meme, Dispatch wouldn't have sparked nearly the same resentment as Genshin or Wuthering Waves. As far as I'm concerned, a game that came out in 2025 should have won Player's Choice for 2025
ISTG, If that jackass Genshin Impact even dares to touch that number one spot AFTER IT DID WHAT IT DID IN 2020. I'D PERSONALLY WALK TO THE JUDGES' HOUSES AND TEACH THEM A FEW LESSONS ABOUT GOING FAST
After I sas what kind of game Wuthering Waves was, I was no longer surprised. After all: Genshin Impact won Player's Choice in 2022 over God Of War Ragnarök and Elden Ring!
Players Choice 2022 was a completely different scenario tbf.
Genshin fans didn't really care until the Sonic fanbase(and the others but mainly Sonic) went out of their way to trigger the Chinese community. Otherwise, Sonic Frontiers was likely winning that year
People forget Players Choice simply means popularity, not how good a game is. and China simply has a lot of gamers, who want their games to win, Why do think Wukong was able to win last year despite 3 gacha games being there? Fans of Ragnarok and Elden Ring simply aren't the type that would actively vote that much for Players Choice of all things. Ignoring the CN fanbase reason, Gacha games being F2P make for a much easier point of entry as well
The only comparison I was trying to draw was that anime/gacha games tend to have a fanbase that's rather serious about defending and showing love for their game, especially in the east. In the words of one of my favorite youtubers and sentient editing software Max0r (about Genshin Impact): "they take this game VERY seriously. Like, standing right outside of a KFC seriously." Your clarification (appreciate the context btw, thank you for filling me in on that) actually illustrates that perfectly!
It also helps that the eastern fanbases usually exist relatively seperate from the western ones, and so it takes the western people by surprise when these people show up in great numbers to show support for a game they like or want to win. Let me be clear: it's not a bad thing, I'm glad they support what they love! But knowing that Genshin won over GOW:R and Elden Ring, and knowing what Wustering Waves looks like, makes me retroactively less surprised that it won Player's Choice, regardless of the different circumstances that lead to either game winning that character in their respective years.
"they take this game VERY seriously. Like, standing right outside of a KFC seriously."
Oh, that's not even the beginning. Gacha fanbase is very, very dedicated, sometimes in a bad way(Take the harassment the CN Kokomi VA received from the Genshin fanbase when the character had negative Crit Rate, or the harrassment the same VA revceived from the WuWa .fanbase, she used to voice the female VA, when she allegedly trolled WuWa fans, doxxed a Wuwa fan, and was apparently a Genshin loving Domestic terrorist??, the doxxing was confirmed to be fake btw i have no clue about the last point) When you get shit on by everyone(for kinda the right reason, even as someone who enjoys Genshin, gacha models do be insanely predatory), you do tend to get more defensive about what you like.
It's kind of the reason why I stay away from those games (also my sensitivity to addiction and gambling): some fanbases are just... too intense for me. But to each their own! Who am I to yuck someone else's yum? I just wish some people would, respectfully, get a life because idk what fandom you're a part of: doxxing and crimes of a similar severity are all just dangerous and cringe as all hell (and ofc also VERY illegal, but I feel like that's already implied with the word "crimes"). Idk, the whole thing of VAs trolling eachother and fanbases socially weaponizing that reminds me too much of reality TV levels of cringe drama for me to care too much, as long as the people are safe ofc! :')
That's the CN gaming Fandom for you. Its not just limited to Gacha, Black Myth Wukong had a similarly fanatic Fanbase. Plus I'm certain most people there are chill. But given the Great Firewall, only the craziest of things gets leaked out.
I play Genshin religiously, and I ain’t voting for it, especially if it doesn’t deserve it. It honestly shouldn’t even be on any of these lists, especially when the game is 5 years old at this point.
While I know that Uma Musume is another gacha game, I’m glad it won mobile over Genshin. The game does genuinely get people interested in the real life counterpart of the horses that are featured in the game, and even horse racing in general with some cases.
My previous statement also apply to Uma if its feature in future game awards stuff too.
Genshin music is absolutely amazing, no one that ever play the game will denies that aspect of it. People will always look down on gacha because it’s pretty much gambling, and that’s a fact.
Genshin will keep going for as long as they make money and it’ll likely be featured in the game awards for years to come, but I just think that some slots should be for game that actually came out that specific year. I wouldn’t even mind voting for it had it been on that section of the game awards
Tbf if it's player's voice then I'll vote, partly because of the drama that'll happen, and partly because.. it's player's voice, arguably the most meaningless award in the entire show, it's just a popularity vote, so why wouldn't I vote?
Yeah I agree the game doesn't deserve any award at this point, but again it's a popularity vote, unless it's like this year with a stacked lineup (that I actually played)
It's a game where I can just turn off my brain and goon after dying to Groal for the umpteenth time. It has nice graphics, and is playable on mobile too, what more can I ask?
I mean it is a good game, also free to play and a gigantic and dedicated fanbase goes a longggg way on a popularity vote. Tho the bribe allegations is also somewhat real🥀
I don't think WuWa is a bad game per se. I just think games with gambling mechanics shouldn't be given a spotlight. It is what it is though. I got over it yesterday lol
i know it would be a gacha game they pay there fans in game it cost them nothing IRL and still earn them loyalty the gacha gamer would do anything to gamble
Gacha gamers get rewards whenever the game itself wins something important. I play Genshin and we used to get mails about getting nominated in awards like these. We get rewarded for just being nominated too so we dont really care TOO much, unless someone ragebaits the CN community, which was what happened in 2022.
It's a myth that began when Genshin Impact gave free rewards for when their were nominated in categories (you know, the thing that is not decided by players), but they never gave anything for Players' Voice, despite winning it in 2022. So the votes of the players have ZERO impact on the rewards
Wuwa has been updating their game in a lot of major ways, QOL updates and adding new traversal to older areas. Sure, it is a gacha game, but the fanbase has been consistently happy during version 2.0. not to mention all the cool stuff that's being added in 3.0 soon.
Wuwa was decent upon release. But its also a live-service games, those change over time in many ways.
Like honkai star rail for example,1.0 for that game is honestly one of the best gaming experiences i had,but right now it has sunked deep into p2w hell and narrative issues.
Honestly it’s pathetic how western gamers shit on Wuwa and strawman multitude of arguments (botted, paid for voting blablabla) without actually knowing what the game is about.
I’m not even its target audience (gacha gamers) but holy shit the game is fun. The story is interesting and goes pretty deep, even with all its inconsistencies- it’s an original story with different themes all throughout. The combat and gameplay in general is satisfying. You can play braindead, sweaty, technical, greedy, safe. It’s honestly one of the best action slashers rn on the market and it’s fucking free too
Genshin is always grossing much much higher than WuWa tho, I thought that would've probably meant more players. Still don't think either should've have even made the rankings, as someone who has played both.
It's a myth that began when Genshin Impact gave free rewards for when their were nominated in categories, but they never gave anything for Players' Voice, despite winning it in 2022. So the votes of the players have ZERO impact on the rewards
Not only they will get rewards for that but the community is toxic enough to have superiority complex. Genshin fanbase didnt really care, but the Wuwa are cringy as hell and spend more time talking about other games than playing their own.
How salty is this community lately? The award that’s designed to go to the biggest fanbase goes to the biggest fanbase. How is this surprising to anyone lmao, it’s not like they beat silksong in action/adventure or best score which would actually be crazy
Everyone's been salty at wuwa winning. I only voted wuwa as the introduction of 2.0 this year massively improved the game to the point that it's genuinely a solid game to play. Kuro has also shown to be listening to their communities in both CN and Overseas and I believe that deserves commendation. And I'm saying this when I barely play gacha games. I always quit gacha games when it starts to get too grindy and Wuwa legit has me wanting to grind because of how fun it is.
Tbf Wuthering is kinda made to be an improvement on genshin in essentially every single way, including much better monetization but more importantly, actually decent combat and higher effort animations
It's kind of an improvement on everything except what genshin is actually famous for, the music, the world and the characters, plus it didin't have an extremly advantageous launch like how genshin dropped during the pandemic, hence why it never took off outside of the gacha space
Damn the comments really disappoint me, as a person who's fav game is Silksong, who loved E33 and also plays Wuthering Waves. It is a genuinely well made game with a great story and developers that are very receptive to player feedback, constantly improving the game. It's not just some gacha slop that only gambling addicts play and it's disappointing to me how people have this kneejerk reaction, while the game absolutely does deserve recognition.
Couldn't agree more, I also play and love all of these 3 you mentioned and it is very sad to see legitimately good games get reduced down to just gooner slop... by the very community I felt belong to.
THIS!!! I have played all three extensively. E33 is a masterpiece and I wanted it to win GOTY and I also voted for Silksong for best indie, action game and a few others but I also voted for WUWA for players voice because it it genuinely a well made game with great characters and story and to see people in this sub who supposedly value these things just shit on it is mind boggling. Calling it gooner slop is doing them and the game a disservice. I get being mad because Silksong should’ve won more but don’t bash the games bash the stupid people that made how voting works.
Yeah, this. It’s unfair that giantfree live-service games with in-game rewards for winning these and daily login even compete against singleplayer titles, but there’s more to wuwa and genshin than just “gooners” and “gambling addicts”. At this point some of these comments are just pure salty, even if I agree with the main idea
The worst thing about gacha games is that they are gatcha games. Most of them are really fun but the amount of grind you have to do and be lucky is crazy, the only gatcha I genuinely have multiple meta teams is limbus but the gameplay is nothing to write home about
As if other games dont have predatory mechanics, lmao. Wuwa winning this award is obviously controversial, but theyre not some evil forces youre saying.
man people are really slandering gacha fans, saying that they won't otherwise care about game awards, they are botted, they are paid, they are gambling fans, etc, just because they don't like the genre. I have never seen people this hostile against fps players, a genre as riddled with microtransactions as gacha.
Most of you haven't played Wuthering Waves I assume.
It's seriously a well made game, gacha aside.
The devs listen to the player base, story is good, gameplay and aesthetics are solid, lots of events and free stuff.
it's okay, I tried it before. gameplay is fun and cutscenes have high production value but just like the majority of gacha games its just too easy until late game where you need strong characters(grind) but at that point you've pretty much exhausted all the content and now you pretty much have nothing but daily quests where you're pretty much forced to do if you want to get future upcoming characters.
but yeah as others pointed out these kind of games will always have a strong playerbase because its free and its designed to maximize player retention
ignore the salty comments, if you think about it for even a second then it makes sense that a f2p game that you can play on your phone would be more popular than SilkSong (Not to mention its not even a bad game, gacha mechanics aside)
The goty award say they have a way to counteract bot votes because sonic was botted to hell and back. It just has a massive player base and is genuinely good.
Well it is utter dogshit in the beginning and almost failed, but the devs listened and now it's actually good with an amazing story after black shores.
One gacha game wins one small fan voted category over the entire rest of the show they arent nominated in and everyone starts spouting false shit to hate on the game.
No, they didn't promise pulls, they didn't bribe players, they didn't use bot farms, people just voted for the game they like and regardless of gacha WuWa has a pretty nice combat system and exploration. People like to shit on Chinese players when it's convenient for them and dismiss if they like a game enough to vote for it.
Silksong and E33 are nominated for almost every single major award, losing the "players choice" isn't gonna kill you all.
I, who played both games in the picture and play Wuwa, am here watching these people blasting gacha games. Who the heck popularized the word "gooner" so much?
Worst thing, they’ve never seen the game either. They assume the gameplay is a slot machine with no guarantee and paid-only pulls where you have different colors of anime ass instead of the normal symbols
it's weird considering that csgo is much more aggressive and predatory for a longer amount of time than Genshin ever is and yet I haven't seen that much against csgo's win in best esports game
and besides, it's not even a gacha buff but a cn buff considering that gachas only won 2 times in player's voice including this year especially since they lost against, surprise surprise, a CHINESE game too! With the other player's voice games winners also being, surprise surprise, also popular in china! like what are the odds??? (other than China and the rest of Asia having the largest gaming population and all of these games being made in Asia)
Oh, I have been speaking out against the predatory practices in popular games like Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike and now Fortnite for like 10 years. I did not know they won best esports, because I don't follow that category. I agree that there is some amount of racism and/or xenophobia involved in the hate for specifically Chinese gambling games, but I'm going to call it out regardless of where the game comes from.
However, I do feel especially icky about people classifying themselves as "gacha fans". I've never heard a person playing one of the aforementioned games classify themselves as a "loot box fan". I have a friend who's fallen deep into the gacha rabbit hole, And I do think we need to remind people that it's not something to be proud of lmao.
I also have 3 friends who have fallen deep into the gacha rabbit hole, and I think having communities around these games glorifying them is genuinely terrible. It happens for things like Counter Strike too, but the target audience there is more teenage boys, so I don't know anyone directly affected by it.
This is me lmao it's been great watching the outrage. Like this was the year with so many games I absolutely love, and so many games that were actually worth winning.
LOL Same. I'm just here to watch the fireworks fly with a bucket of popcorn in all three subs. The three subs being r/dispatchadhoc, r/expedition33 and this sub lol.
I love Wuthering Waves. I picked silksong but I’m not mad WuWa won. It’s basically Genshin if the devs actually gave a shit and tried to make an enjoyable game.
IM voting for genshin but reading all the salty comments here slandering gacha games without ever trying them, Im so glad Wuwa won this category 😂 keep the salty tears coming bois 🤣
Power of gooner gacha I guess. The masses of the WW fans (who otherwise probably wouldn't care abt the game awards) had to make sure they won the vote. Sigh.
One of my favorite genre of post is "Guy realizes their walled garden of the internet is in fact a walled garden and is not as big as they thought it was and can't handle the cognitive dissonance"
Why are yall so surprised the game with the biggest fanbase won the "game with the biggest fanbase" contest. Wuwa has more downloads than Silksong, E33 and Dispatch combined, the rest literally stood no chance and if you think they did you were delusional.
If you want to feel a bit better about it, if you go to the Wuwa subreddit, most people will mention Silksong and E33 as high quality games that deserved this as much as Wuwa if not more.
However, Wuwa players
1) Have extra incentive to vote in their games, since they earn currency to rolls their gachas.
2) have a huge rivalry going on, Wuwa players voted in Wuwa probably because they didn't wanted Genshin to win.
Gacha games are the cancer of the gaming industry. The best thing we can do is forget this nomination even exists, not Google it, and not give this addictive gambling trash any attention.
It’s not “cancer” just because you don’t like it… These two gacha games specifically have high production value too, outside of the gacha- which is merely a part of the system
I don't think fucking gacha games should be eligible PERIOD imo. I mean, fucking Genshin is 5 years old and it still got nominated, and many gacha ppl vote just to get in game rewards and pulls. They're just there and they cause other shit that's genuinely good to get overshadowed lmao.
Yeah, not to say the gambling machine can't be a good game on the side but even without rewards it's so obviously weighted towards this exact thing happening that it can't be a truly honest vote.
As someone who dislikes all Gacha games, I think it’s perfectly fine to hate this win, but let’s not talk about who “deserves” the award-it’s pretty dumb cause it’s literally a popularity contest so there’s no “deserving” or not for any game. Actually no, there is a “deserved” winner-the most popular game deserves to win the popularity contest, it’s just how it is. It’s like debating who deserves to be the tallest kid in class-I mean, the tallest kid in class “deserves” to be the tallest kid in class.
We had a 5 year old game and a game that's not even out. How is that fair?
Oh, and ofc the adaptation award going to the last of us show. MEANWHILE SONIC WITH 3 BANGER MOVIES, THE 3RD ONE BEING THE BEST ONE EASILY, NOT EVEN GETTING NOMINATED
Free to play game with an order of magnitude more players winning the 100% popularity contest option should not be that surprising. Add that despite the monetization being absolute cancer, it's a good game, and the only surprise is that the rabid Hoyoverse army didn't mobilize enough votes for Genshin to win.
I heard it from a friend that it isn’t a surprise because gacha games offer some exclusive rewards to their players if they vote for them for some awards.
I mean wuwa has quite a lot more quality than most genshin clones out on the market to the point where it wasn't that weird it got nominated, but winning it was purely because it was currently popular gacha game so it had a lot of people voting it, so yeah other games got robbed. Also why the hell was genshin even nominated, it's been out and rotting in the corner for few years now
Genshin players didnt care, cuz the game won it few years ago, just got voted by some normies expecting free stuff. But Wuthering Waves is not only a slop, not only has toxic community but also will have superiority complex and will try to shittalk other games. At least Umamusume won the mobile game over them.
That's the award that I point out when somebody tells me the GOTY should be chosen by online voting system. Look, a GOTY award is NOT a popularity contest.
I saw on different posts that the devs of that gatcha game offered rewards for voting so yeah, is basically forced voting and the amount of consumers in china greatly weigh against us from the west
Seriously, I was a bit dumbfounded at the players voice, I knew 4 out of the 5 choices and could see any of those 4 winning, but knew E33 was likely stealing another win, little did I know, the 5th entry that I've never even heard of before came out on top, and of course its just another free anime gatcha game.
HOW WERE YOU SO FAST
They spent the whole week making 35 meme variants lol
TBF it takes literally 5 seconds to put white text on a meme image.
Nah I just type quick
You only need two versions of this meme, Dispatch wouldn't have sparked nearly the same resentment as Genshin or Wuthering Waves. As far as I'm concerned, a game that came out in 2025 should have won Player's Choice for 2025
ISTG, If that jackass Genshin Impact even dares to touch that number one spot AFTER IT DID WHAT IT DID IN 2020. I'D PERSONALLY WALK TO THE JUDGES' HOUSES AND TEACH THEM A FEW LESSONS ABOUT GOING FAST
:3
Fat anime booty and gambling in a game. Need I say more?
After I sas what kind of game Wuthering Waves was, I was no longer surprised. After all: Genshin Impact won Player's Choice in 2022 over God Of War Ragnarök and Elden Ring!
Players Choice 2022 was a completely different scenario tbf.
Genshin fans didn't really care until the Sonic fanbase(and the others but mainly Sonic) went out of their way to trigger the Chinese community. Otherwise, Sonic Frontiers was likely winning that year
People forget Players Choice simply means popularity, not how good a game is. and China simply has a lot of gamers, who want their games to win, Why do think Wukong was able to win last year despite 3 gacha games being there? Fans of Ragnarok and Elden Ring simply aren't the type that would actively vote that much for Players Choice of all things. Ignoring the CN fanbase reason, Gacha games being F2P make for a much easier point of entry as well
Yeah Genshin isn't winning Player's Choice unless the CN community comes out and votes
yup given that this year no one triggered that Hornets nest, I'm not surprised Genshin didn't win. it is a 5 year old game
Yeah, Genshin does NOT deserve to even be there among those giants
I say this as a long-time Genshin player and fan
honestly Genshin likely simply got nominated this year because it has a big enough fanbase and haterdom that it guarantees eyeballs.
"Among those giants" LMAO, you say that like WuWa wasn't ripping off Genshin and now also HSR from the START.
The only comparison I was trying to draw was that anime/gacha games tend to have a fanbase that's rather serious about defending and showing love for their game, especially in the east. In the words of one of my favorite youtubers and sentient editing software Max0r (about Genshin Impact): "they take this game VERY seriously. Like, standing right outside of a KFC seriously." Your clarification (appreciate the context btw, thank you for filling me in on that) actually illustrates that perfectly!
It also helps that the eastern fanbases usually exist relatively seperate from the western ones, and so it takes the western people by surprise when these people show up in great numbers to show support for a game they like or want to win. Let me be clear: it's not a bad thing, I'm glad they support what they love! But knowing that Genshin won over GOW:R and Elden Ring, and knowing what Wustering Waves looks like, makes me retroactively less surprised that it won Player's Choice, regardless of the different circumstances that lead to either game winning that character in their respective years.
Oh, that's not even the beginning. Gacha fanbase is very, very dedicated, sometimes in a bad way(Take the harassment the CN Kokomi VA received from the Genshin fanbase when the character had negative Crit Rate, or the harrassment the same VA revceived from the WuWa .fanbase, she used to voice the female VA, when she allegedly trolled WuWa fans, doxxed a Wuwa fan, and was apparently a Genshin loving Domestic terrorist??, the doxxing was confirmed to be fake btw i have no clue about the last point) When you get shit on by everyone(for kinda the right reason, even as someone who enjoys Genshin, gacha models do be insanely predatory), you do tend to get more defensive about what you like.
It's kind of the reason why I stay away from those games (also my sensitivity to addiction and gambling): some fanbases are just... too intense for me. But to each their own! Who am I to yuck someone else's yum? I just wish some people would, respectfully, get a life because idk what fandom you're a part of: doxxing and crimes of a similar severity are all just dangerous and cringe as all hell (and ofc also VERY illegal, but I feel like that's already implied with the word "crimes"). Idk, the whole thing of VAs trolling eachother and fanbases socially weaponizing that reminds me too much of reality TV levels of cringe drama for me to care too much, as long as the people are safe ofc! :')
That's the CN gaming Fandom for you. Its not just limited to Gacha, Black Myth Wukong had a similarly fanatic Fanbase. Plus I'm certain most people there are chill. But given the Great Firewall, only the craziest of things gets leaked out.
It's responsible to yuck the yum of gambling, it preys on people.
It actually was hilarious to see sonic frontiers giving away this almost assured victory.
I play Genshin religiously, and I ain’t voting for it, especially if it doesn’t deserve it. It honestly shouldn’t even be on any of these lists, especially when the game is 5 years old at this point.
While I know that Uma Musume is another gacha game, I’m glad it won mobile over Genshin. The game does genuinely get people interested in the real life counterpart of the horses that are featured in the game, and even horse racing in general with some cases.
My previous statement also apply to Uma if its feature in future game awards stuff too.
One thing you cant deny about genshin is the music and the world design though, but i guess the nature of the game being a gacha is the main wall?
Genshin music is absolutely amazing, no one that ever play the game will denies that aspect of it. People will always look down on gacha because it’s pretty much gambling, and that’s a fact.
Genshin will keep going for as long as they make money and it’ll likely be featured in the game awards for years to come, but I just think that some slots should be for game that actually came out that specific year. I wouldn’t even mind voting for it had it been on that section of the game awards
I mean it wasn't the only not 2025 game right
It’s crazy. A reasonable take and people downvote still just because you said you play genshin lol
Tbf if it's player's voice then I'll vote, partly because of the drama that'll happen, and partly because.. it's player's voice, arguably the most meaningless award in the entire show, it's just a popularity vote, so why wouldn't I vote?
Yeah I agree the game doesn't deserve any award at this point, but again it's a popularity vote, unless it's like this year with a stacked lineup (that I actually played)
It's a game where I can just turn off my brain and goon after dying to Groal for the umpteenth time. It has nice graphics, and is playable on mobile too, what more can I ask?
Also Gambling rocks.
gooner gacha game
So we just need to add those to Silksong to win the next players' choice?
Silksong already has Ass Jim and a gambling mini game, what more do you want ?! /s
You don't understand!! The cheeks.... they must be fatter. Fatter I say!!!
Every vote Silksong gets for Player's Choice and if it wins, Ass Jim's cheeks get increased by 0.1%
all a man need
The gacha games partake an in advanced strategy known as "vote manipulation"
pretty much the players know if their game wins, they get free premium currency as a thank you note from the devs.
so what do these gacha game players do? rig the ever loving shit out of the voting for players choice so their gacha game wins
Also I think they tie in-game rewards
to voting for the game(or for the game winning?) so people are way more motivated to vote.Edit - Yeah I think it's just for winning. But still that will encourage people who otherwise wouldn't vote to go vote.
This truly enraged me. I was rooting hard for E33 or Silksong. Any game but a gacha game smh
I thought, “hmm, so Silksong wins this one”
Same! I would have been happy if Dispatch won too cause it's fun and well-made. But Wuthering Waves???? Seriously???
“We didn’t rig the mob vote”
I guess there's a reason why TGA prioritises critic votes over fan votes. Both approaches have their pros and cons though
It’s the dream-squid incident all over again
🎵It was always biased since the votes were casted🎵
That's exactly why it (or genshin in previous years) wins. Cuz the devs promise free gacha stuff to players for voting for them.
Ah yes, Genshin Impact being known for its generous rewards (this is sarcasm btw)
3rd anniversary rewards PTSD
You could get 3 characters with those 3 pulls!
Not even 3rd, 1st one was peak drama
and that is 100% not true and it should be exposed to everyone
The free stuff really doesn't have much to do with it- esp. for hoyo.
They've indicated they don't care and if they won they would prob make it about HSR somehow.
The free stuff is an easy argument, but at the end of the day people really do enjoy the games
I mean it is a good game, also free to play and a gigantic and dedicated fanbase goes a longggg way on a popularity vote. Tho the bribe allegations is also somewhat real🥀
I don't think WuWa is a bad game per se. I just think games with gambling mechanics shouldn't be given a spotlight. It is what it is though. I got over it yesterday lol
i know it would be a gacha game they pay there fans in game it cost them nothing IRL and still earn them loyalty the gacha gamer would do anything to gamble
have u played wuwa?
People love their gambling.
I’m sorry a Gacha game won players choice?
I know the irony with my pfp but stillThat’s not remotely surprising that’s a pure fan vote afaik
Gacha gamers get rewards whenever the game itself wins something important. I play Genshin and we used to get mails about getting nominated in awards like these. We get rewarded for just being nominated too so we dont really care TOO much, unless someone ragebaits the CN community, which was what happened in 2022.
Ahh yes, the game with the most dedicated fanbase won the popularity vote /s
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As a genshin fan, I have to say it's unfair.
I just don't see any way in which Genshin or WuWa deserved the win.
It’s a pure popularity contest it’s not about deserving or not.
Isn't that what people's choice means tbf
the difference is in ease of publicity and motivation
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Sums it up. It really doesn't mean much
They 'deserve' the win because they have the most votes.
That's how player choice works.
I genuinely believe that going forward, any game that tries to buy votes using in-game rewards needs to be disqualified.
It's a myth that began when Genshin Impact gave free rewards for when their were nominated in categories (you know, the thing that is not decided by players), but they never gave anything for Players' Voice, despite winning it in 2022. So the votes of the players have ZERO impact on the rewards
Wuwa has been updating their game in a lot of major ways, QOL updates and adding new traversal to older areas. Sure, it is a gacha game, but the fanbase has been consistently happy during version 2.0. not to mention all the cool stuff that's being added in 3.0 soon.
Dang traversal improvements? Haven't played since launch maybe I'll have to check it out again soon.
Get ready for flight and bike.
I feel like a good game needs to be good right off the bat instead of being improved slowly overtime, but that's just me.
Oh RIGHT that's what the "Best On-going Game" category is for~
Wuwa was decent upon release. But its also a live-service games, those change over time in many ways. Like honkai star rail for example,1.0 for that game is honestly one of the best gaming experiences i had,but right now it has sunked deep into p2w hell and narrative issues.
Honestly it’s pathetic how western gamers shit on Wuwa and strawman multitude of arguments (botted, paid for voting blablabla) without actually knowing what the game is about.
I’m not even its target audience (gacha gamers) but holy shit the game is fun. The story is interesting and goes pretty deep, even with all its inconsistencies- it’s an original story with different themes all throughout. The combat and gameplay in general is satisfying. You can play braindead, sweaty, technical, greedy, safe. It’s honestly one of the best action slashers rn on the market and it’s fucking free too
yeah, chinese people, I guess there's two or three of them
As a fan of all 3 I'm conflicted
Me too
classic gacha game buying votes with in game stuff.
at least i assume. dont take my word for it.
Wuthering waves has like a few million players just from China alone. It's not suprising it won just based on the size of its playerbase alone
Genshin is always grossing much much higher than WuWa tho, I thought that would've probably meant more players. Still don't think either should've have even made the rankings, as someone who has played both.
Gacha games don't give stuff for player vote awards. Only jury stuff. So wuwa gave it for the recent Playstation thing
It's a myth that began when Genshin Impact gave free rewards for when their were nominated in categories, but they never gave anything for Players' Voice, despite winning it in 2022. So the votes of the players have ZERO impact on the rewards
That is 💯% facts
Not only they will get rewards for that but the community is toxic enough to have superiority complex. Genshin fanbase didnt really care, but the Wuwa are cringy as hell and spend more time talking about other games than playing their own.
wuwa is a good game thats it
How salty is this community lately? The award that’s designed to go to the biggest fanbase goes to the biggest fanbase. How is this surprising to anyone lmao, it’s not like they beat silksong in action/adventure or best score which would actually be crazy
Everyone's been salty at wuwa winning. I only voted wuwa as the introduction of 2.0 this year massively improved the game to the point that it's genuinely a solid game to play. Kuro has also shown to be listening to their communities in both CN and Overseas and I believe that deserves commendation. And I'm saying this when I barely play gacha games. I always quit gacha games when it starts to get too grindy and Wuwa legit has me wanting to grind because of how fun it is.
wait WHAT??? Why Wuthering Waves? Are the gooners really that powerful?
Yes, they are. Wuwa community is truly... interesting
Tbf Wuthering is kinda made to be an improvement on genshin in essentially every single way, including much better monetization but more importantly, actually decent combat and higher effort animations
Oh- damn, really? If it's better genshin then I'm shocked I rarely hear about it lol
It's kind of an improvement on everything except what genshin is actually famous for, the music, the world and the characters, plus it didin't have an extremly advantageous launch like how genshin dropped during the pandemic, hence why it never took off outside of the gacha space
gacha games, man.
they're a cancer on the industry, and they basically dominate any vote based reward or poll because of their massive playerbase of gambling addicts.
Damn the comments really disappoint me, as a person who's fav game is Silksong, who loved E33 and also plays Wuthering Waves. It is a genuinely well made game with a great story and developers that are very receptive to player feedback, constantly improving the game. It's not just some gacha slop that only gambling addicts play and it's disappointing to me how people have this kneejerk reaction, while the game absolutely does deserve recognition.
Couldn't agree more, I also play and love all of these 3 you mentioned and it is very sad to see legitimately good games get reduced down to just gooner slop... by the very community I felt belong to.
THIS!!! I have played all three extensively. E33 is a masterpiece and I wanted it to win GOTY and I also voted for Silksong for best indie, action game and a few others but I also voted for WUWA for players voice because it it genuinely a well made game with great characters and story and to see people in this sub who supposedly value these things just shit on it is mind boggling. Calling it gooner slop is doing them and the game a disservice. I get being mad because Silksong should’ve won more but don’t bash the games bash the stupid people that made how voting works.
Yeah, this. It’s unfair that giantfree live-service games with in-game rewards for winning these and daily login even compete against singleplayer titles, but there’s more to wuwa and genshin than just “gooners” and “gambling addicts”. At this point some of these comments are just pure salty, even if I agree with the main idea
The worst thing about gacha games is that they are gatcha games. Most of them are really fun but the amount of grind you have to do and be lucky is crazy, the only gatcha I genuinely have multiple meta teams is limbus but the gameplay is nothing to write home about
As if other games dont have predatory mechanics, lmao. Wuwa winning this award is obviously controversial, but theyre not some evil forces youre saying.
If uma was here instead of wuwa would you guys still hate it?
I would be less mad because I've already herd people talk about uma
Yes
There are no innocents! not anymore! any one of them could have stood up and said "No, we won't give kids gambling addictions anymore."
Yes? Fuck all gacha games. Predatory garbage attempting to exploit people as much as possible
i mean, to be fair, uma is VERY generous with rewards
man people are really slandering gacha fans, saying that they won't otherwise care about game awards, they are botted, they are paid, they are gambling fans, etc, just because they don't like the genre. I have never seen people this hostile against fps players, a genre as riddled with microtransactions as gacha.
Most of you haven't played Wuthering Waves I assume. It's seriously a well made game, gacha aside. The devs listen to the player base, story is good, gameplay and aesthetics are solid, lots of events and free stuff.
I've never heard of wuthering waves in my life is this some sort of bot win?
it's okay, I tried it before. gameplay is fun and cutscenes have high production value but just like the majority of gacha games its just too easy until late game where you need strong characters(grind) but at that point you've pretty much exhausted all the content and now you pretty much have nothing but daily quests where you're pretty much forced to do if you want to get future upcoming characters.
but yeah as others pointed out these kind of games will always have a strong playerbase because its free and its designed to maximize player retention
As a fan if gacha games, couldn’t put it better myself.
ignore the salty comments, if you think about it for even a second then it makes sense that a f2p game that you can play on your phone would be more popular than SilkSong (Not to mention its not even a bad game, gacha mechanics aside)
Genshin "killer" #56283 (Anime gambling game if you don't know what Genshin is)
The goty award say they have a way to counteract bot votes because sonic was botted to hell and back. It just has a massive player base and is genuinely good.
Well it is utter dogshit in the beginning and almost failed, but the devs listened and now it's actually good with an amazing story after black shores.
Yes
I think fans of gaming in general should be included
Well, it's a popularity vote, there are simply too many gacha gamer
Me being a fan of both games watching the non-gacha fans get salty:
https://preview.redd.it/qvomqxbyzo6g1.png?width=279&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a352b2aa8d5fb81be993dc59eceddf2a57a1323
One gacha game wins one small fan voted category over the entire rest of the show they arent nominated in and everyone starts spouting false shit to hate on the game.
No, they didn't promise pulls, they didn't bribe players, they didn't use bot farms, people just voted for the game they like and regardless of gacha WuWa has a pretty nice combat system and exploration. People like to shit on Chinese players when it's convenient for them and dismiss if they like a game enough to vote for it.
Silksong and E33 are nominated for almost every single major award, losing the "players choice" isn't gonna kill you all.
I, who played both games in the picture and play Wuwa, am here watching these people blasting gacha games. Who the heck popularized the word "gooner" so much?
Worst thing, they’ve never seen the game either. They assume the gameplay is a slot machine with no guarantee and paid-only pulls where you have different colors of anime ass instead of the normal symbols
Me, a cocaine addict, watching non-drug addicts get salty over the popularity of drugs:
it's weird considering that csgo is much more aggressive and predatory for a longer amount of time than Genshin ever is and yet I haven't seen that much against csgo's win in best esports game
and besides, it's not even a gacha buff but a cn buff considering that gachas only won 2 times in player's voice including this year especially since they lost against, surprise surprise, a CHINESE game too! With the other player's voice games winners also being, surprise surprise, also popular in china! like what are the odds??? (other than China and the rest of Asia having the largest gaming population and all of these games being made in Asia)
Oh, I have been speaking out against the predatory practices in popular games like Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike and now Fortnite for like 10 years. I did not know they won best esports, because I don't follow that category. I agree that there is some amount of racism and/or xenophobia involved in the hate for specifically Chinese gambling games, but I'm going to call it out regardless of where the game comes from.
However, I do feel especially icky about people classifying themselves as "gacha fans". I've never heard a person playing one of the aforementioned games classify themselves as a "loot box fan". I have a friend who's fallen deep into the gacha rabbit hole, And I do think we need to remind people that it's not something to be proud of lmao.
I also have 3 friends who have fallen deep into the gacha rabbit hole, and I think having communities around these games glorifying them is genuinely terrible. It happens for things like Counter Strike too, but the target audience there is more teenage boys, so I don't know anyone directly affected by it.
I just like both games, it ain’t that deep homie.
This is me lmao it's been great watching the outrage. Like this was the year with so many games I absolutely love, and so many games that were actually worth winning.
LOL Same. I'm just here to watch the fireworks fly with a bucket of popcorn in all three subs. The three subs being r/dispatchadhoc, r/expedition33 and this sub lol.
china? weebs?
Demon king? Secret stone?
Psycho Mantis?!
I love Wuthering Waves. I picked silksong but I’m not mad WuWa won. It’s basically Genshin if the devs actually gave a shit and tried to make an enjoyable game.
IM voting for genshin but reading all the salty comments here slandering gacha games without ever trying them, Im so glad Wuwa won this category 😂 keep the salty tears coming bois 🤣
This guy does not have sex
Same goes for anyone who cares about this to be honest
if losing to a gacha is inevitable i would rather lose to umamusume atleast that would have been funny
Power of gooner gacha I guess. The masses of the WW fans (who otherwise probably wouldn't care abt the game awards) had to make sure they won the vote. Sigh.
The meltdown crazy 😂
W-w-w..w-wuthering h-he-hei-
(I’m both a PM and Ss fan:/)
Yeah you know what I'm actually fine with the jury deciding in every other category
Genshin fans
One of my favorite genre of post is "Guy realizes their walled garden of the internet is in fact a walled garden and is not as big as they thought it was and can't handle the cognitive dissonance"
Why are yall so surprised the game with the biggest fanbase won the "game with the biggest fanbase" contest. Wuwa has more downloads than Silksong, E33 and Dispatch combined, the rest literally stood no chance and if you think they did you were delusional.
Genshin was probably 2nd sadly
If you want to feel a bit better about it, if you go to the Wuwa subreddit, most people will mention Silksong and E33 as high quality games that deserved this as much as Wuwa if not more.
However, Wuwa players 1) Have extra incentive to vote in their games, since they earn currency to rolls their gachas. 2) have a huge rivalry going on, Wuwa players voted in Wuwa probably because they didn't wanted Genshin to win.
Gacha games are the cancer of the gaming industry. The best thing we can do is forget this nomination even exists, not Google it, and not give this addictive gambling trash any attention.
God, this community is so salty. Take a break, man
It’s not “cancer” just because you don’t like it… These two gacha games specifically have high production value too, outside of the gacha- which is merely a part of the system
The only gatcha I can casually play and still have good stuff is limbus and I don't even have to gamble but the downside is the gameplay itself
Put Dispatch in the handshake too-
I don't think fucking gacha games should be eligible PERIOD imo. I mean, fucking Genshin is 5 years old and it still got nominated, and many gacha ppl vote just to get in game rewards and pulls. They're just there and they cause other shit that's genuinely good to get overshadowed lmao.
Yeah, not to say the gambling machine can't be a good game on the side but even without rewards it's so obviously weighted towards this exact thing happening that it can't be a truly honest vote.
no way I learned this from a damn meme 💀💀💀
because there a lot of chinese people
like A LOT
cry
As someone who dislikes all Gacha games, I think it’s perfectly fine to hate this win, but let’s not talk about who “deserves” the award-it’s pretty dumb cause it’s literally a popularity contest so there’s no “deserving” or not for any game. Actually no, there is a “deserved” winner-the most popular game deserves to win the popularity contest, it’s just how it is. It’s like debating who deserves to be the tallest kid in class-I mean, the tallest kid in class “deserves” to be the tallest kid in class.
Who cares tho? I mean the entire awards show is as silly as the oscars
I did appreciate how Keighley refused to pronounce it correctly
Player choice was a Giant scam from the get to
We had a 5 year old game and a game that's not even out. How is that fair?
Oh, and ofc the adaptation award going to the last of us show. MEANWHILE SONIC WITH 3 BANGER MOVIES, THE 3RD ONE BEING THE BEST ONE EASILY, NOT EVEN GETTING NOMINATED
I’m just happy it didn’t go to the fucking Minecraft movie lmao
cough cough chinese bot farm cough cough
No no, this is a good thing. This award exists as something to point to when people ask why GOTY isn't just player voted
Free to play game with an order of magnitude more players winning the 100% popularity contest option should not be that surprising. Add that despite the monetization being absolute cancer, it's a good game, and the only surprise is that the rabid Hoyoverse army didn't mobilize enough votes for Genshin to win.
See this is why theres a panel deciding category winners, imagine if it was all 100% player voted.
Gooner gacha slop should be it's own category
I heard it from a friend that it isn’t a surprise because gacha games offer some exclusive rewards to their players if they vote for them for some awards.
Tell your dude lie are a bad thing to say
Your friend is lying man smh. Just because they're your friend doesn't mean you have to believe the bs they say
They gave away free spins in their gacha if they won the GOTY. They organized themselves so they could feed their gambling addiction even more
I literally said how out loud when I watched that
W- w- WUTHERING?????
This is where i would put a “how wild?” limbus company image but i can’t send images
This is pratty wild
How wild?
The most popular game won. How is that a shock?
I disagree with it being the best game, but the people voted for it.
As a wu wa fan, it didn’t deserve players voice
Dispatch fans crying in the corner
I mean wuwa has quite a lot more quality than most genshin clones out on the market to the point where it wasn't that weird it got nominated, but winning it was purely because it was currently popular gacha game so it had a lot of people voting it, so yeah other games got robbed. Also why the hell was genshin even nominated, it's been out and rotting in the corner for few years now
why is it always the slop gacha mobile game?
Never even heard of it. Games that skip Xbox normally don’t get my attention.
Not even a game from this year. Fuck outta here honestly
https://preview.redd.it/wvin123c2s6g1.png?width=703&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e12e3e53087598e1eda1ee31712e460b7c3a989
That's a lot of voice.
i’ve never even heard of this game
Do yall just forget that China's gaming playerbase is equal to/greater than the entire rest of the world combined?
Bribing with ingame currency
That game literally doesn't deserve to win a single award,half the is a copy from other games and other half just big anime b00bs
Genshin players didnt care, cuz the game won it few years ago, just got voted by some normies expecting free stuff. But Wuthering Waves is not only a slop, not only has toxic community but also will have superiority complex and will try to shittalk other games. At least Umamusume won the mobile game over them.
The game didn’t even come out this year
That's the award that I point out when somebody tells me the GOTY should be chosen by online voting system. Look, a GOTY award is NOT a popularity contest.
I saw on different posts that the devs of that gatcha game offered rewards for voting so yeah, is basically forced voting and the amount of consumers in china greatly weigh against us from the west
That's wrong and complete misinformation that people are spouting because they're salty a gacha game won
what the fuck is wuthering waves
!mypfp
Seriously, I was a bit dumbfounded at the players voice, I knew 4 out of the 5 choices and could see any of those 4 winning, but knew E33 was likely stealing another win, little did I know, the 5th entry that I've never even heard of before came out on top, and of course its just another free anime gatcha game.
At least Genshin fans got a hole of a doughnut
People with both a gambling addiction and porn addiction are easy to persuade with free gambling and porn i guess
I am not mad cuz the game is bad,I am mad cuz it's fan base sucks,they have high egos,toxic as hell and homophobic
Sonic fan here
It's the Chinese players they like these games way to much and it won
https://i.redd.it/3fvmct0rrq6g1.gif