I feel like GER > Bohemian Rhapsody is common sense. In a straight fight GER wins everytime by cancelling all of Bohemian Rhapsody's BS until Giorno gets his hands on Ungalo. Ungalo doesn't seem to have any direct control over Bohemian Rhapsody (which tbf neither does Giorno with GER) but Bohemian Rhapsody can easily be used against him by his opponents the way it was in the actual fight and Giorno can just ignore all of his reality warping. Even winning a stand battle against other stands GER is superior. Ungalo was tasked with killing part 6 crew so he unleashed his powers, failed, then overdosed and died. If Giorno wants to kill part 6 crew, assuming GER has a certain range, all he has to do is get close and it's over. There's no way for them to counter GER cleverly like with Bohemian Rhapsody.
This is not really about who's going to win against whom. It's basically the whole Wolverine vs Magneto thing all over again. This is about which Stand can actually affect the world around it in a much more destructive manner.
Like I said, Ungalo's Stand is basically a reality warper and with it's range covering the entire world, it can cause much more large-scale destruction. In contrast, Giorno's Stand is the perfect defence and he's pretty much untouchable with it.
Giorno can perfectly counter Ungalo but that does not actually make him more powerful than Ungalo.
Pretty much the only thing limiting Bohemian Rhapsody is Ungalo himself. As a I said, Dio's most powerful son is also his most incompetent.
That's like saying the president of the US in JoJo part 5 is the most powerful character because he has the nuclear launch codes. When people discuss "powerful" characters in fiction they normally don't consider the ability to wreak havoc that hurts you just as much, if not more, than it helps you to achieve your goals as "power." Ungalo has no power to actually use Bohemian Rhapsody for anything besides causing random chaos. That's literally the only thing it can do. GER can attack or defend, and we never get to see the full extent of it's power. Presumably GER could tell the sun rays "no" keeping them from ever reaching Earth and killing off all life on the planet much more efficiently than Ungalo could ever hope to.
Presumably Giorno could tell the sun rays "no" keeping them from ever reaching Earth and killing off all life on the planet much more efficiently than Ungalo could ever hope to.
That is pure headcanon but you know what isn't pure headcanon? The fact that Ungalo could probably create a "sun" character that could kill all life on earth by simply existing too close for comfort.
Senseless, directionless power is still legitimate power and while Giorno's Stand is extremely powerful and capable of attack and defence, it still isn't as powerful as Ungalo's.
You're focusing too much on "who can beat whom" or who can focus their abilities more instead of who actually has the most potential for destruction.
What you just said is also pure headcanon because Ungalo can't "create" anything. His stand works based on the imagination and cultural pastiche of the places and people it affects. Ungalo has no power to actually effect anything outside of hoping that the stand wreaks havoc as intended and in the one example we see of it's use his opponents easily manage to use his own "power" against him.
Again if we knew GER's range this would be more easily settled, but Weather Report and Pucci both have stronger stands by the end of the part then Ungalo and they would both lose to Giorno as well. If your only argument is who can cause the most destruction, then the world leaders of the Earth with nukes are the strongest Jojo characters in most parts.
Bohemian Rhapsody's ability is to bring fictional characters and settings to life. An example of a fictional character is the smiley sun you often see in a lot of children's cartoons, where I'm from, we call that character "uncle sun".
Bohemian Rhapsody can manifest new characters if a story is created. Which is exactly how Ungalo was defeated in the first place.
Another thing, if the President had the ability to spawn nukes and deploy them whenever he wanted without outside interference purely through the power of his mind, he would be pretty damn powerful cause now, he's Stand is a giant, unlimited nuke
Does it matter? Bohemian Rhapsody took time to activate. In that time the president could activate all the nukes.
The fact we didn't see Uncle Sun even though Bohemian Rhapsody affected the whole world iirc suggest that it's range is just the Earth.
Granted we don't know GER's range and rules (it seems to only activate when Giorno is in danger) but I think most people would agree that Giorno is more "powerful" in the commonly understood definition for these types of discussions.
I don't think a lot of stand are good at it. For example does Jotaro and Dio having same type of stand implies their personality is similar? Cause they're absolutely not
IMO the power suits them both, for different reasons. DIO is an egomaniac who will settle for nothing less than absolute power to make sure nothing happens without his approval and nullify anything that could potentially threaten him, whereas Jotaro is framed from as early as ripping Kakyoin's flesh bud out as someone whose effectiveness comes from his skill at staying stone cold under pressure, and (almost) always takes his time to carefully observe the situation.
I think this even fits with the most common ways for them to use their time stops, with DIO's most famous time stops all being him either moving somebody else who wasn't doing what he wanted (Polnareff on the stairs and Wilson Phillips in the car) or attacking his enemies without letting them move, while I think all but 2 of the times Jotaro uses SP:TW are primarily for defensive actions (like dodging Ratt's bullets or redirecting SHA) or moving to set up a regular attack when time resumes (like dodging Josuke's uppercut in DiU episode 1).
Those exceptions being when he threw the harpoon at Pucci, which is notably the first time Jotaro failed to achieve the goal of a time stop, and his very last use of the ability, where he planned to cave Pucci's skull in during the time stop... and ended up spending it on defending Jolyne from the thrown knives, because that was always how Jotaro would have used this power. The way I see it, it symbolically ties in nicely with the whole "family is both their greatest weakness and greatest strength" theme of Stone Ocean.
Bohemian Rhapsody unconciously wreaks havoc on the planet the way Ungalo's drug addled state unconsciously wreaks havoc on his own life.
As far as the song choice idk. I think Araki just liked it and thought it sounded chaotic. I wouldn't look too deeply into the lyrical meaning on a lot of his choices because I don't think he understands English, at least not to the level that he would understand the deeper metaphorical meanings in some of these songs. For example I don't think Ungalo was coming out as gay which is what a lot of people feel Bohemian Rhapsody is about.
One thing that always annoyed about bohemian rhapsody, why didn’t weather also make it part of his characters story that he found and killed Pucci and gave him back his memories before getting rid of the stories
That's because he's easy come, easy go, little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn’t really matter to me
I'm a shootin' star, leapin' through the sky like a tiger Defyin' the laws of gravity
That's cause you're on a plane, dude.
I wouldn't say he's only a little high
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My headcanon is that ungalo was the youngest son
That'd make him the 4th child, so he didn't get the good looks from dio
Honestly, these could easily be the recessive gene form Dario or whatever his name is
Yeah but like... 4th child theory
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What does that mean?
Guido's unlucky number is 4.
funny how your comment has 4 upvotes and im gonna keep it that way
Now you're the one with 4
Same could be said about you
Not anymore
4th comment
Dio would be beyond disappointed to find that his most powerful son is also his most incompetent
The one thing that his son inherited from Dio, lol
Giorno?
Ungalo's ability is basically a type of reality warping and he's also capable of much more large-scale destruction than Giorno.
I feel like GER > Bohemian Rhapsody is common sense. In a straight fight GER wins everytime by cancelling all of Bohemian Rhapsody's BS until Giorno gets his hands on Ungalo. Ungalo doesn't seem to have any direct control over Bohemian Rhapsody (which tbf neither does Giorno with GER) but Bohemian Rhapsody can easily be used against him by his opponents the way it was in the actual fight and Giorno can just ignore all of his reality warping. Even winning a stand battle against other stands GER is superior. Ungalo was tasked with killing part 6 crew so he unleashed his powers, failed, then overdosed and died. If Giorno wants to kill part 6 crew, assuming GER has a certain range, all he has to do is get close and it's over. There's no way for them to counter GER cleverly like with Bohemian Rhapsody.
This is not really about who's going to win against whom. It's basically the whole Wolverine vs Magneto thing all over again. This is about which Stand can actually affect the world around it in a much more destructive manner.
Like I said, Ungalo's Stand is basically a reality warper and with it's range covering the entire world, it can cause much more large-scale destruction. In contrast, Giorno's Stand is the perfect defence and he's pretty much untouchable with it.
Giorno can perfectly counter Ungalo but that does not actually make him more powerful than Ungalo.
Pretty much the only thing limiting Bohemian Rhapsody is Ungalo himself. As a I said, Dio's most powerful son is also his most incompetent.
That's like saying the president of the US in JoJo part 5 is the most powerful character because he has the nuclear launch codes. When people discuss "powerful" characters in fiction they normally don't consider the ability to wreak havoc that hurts you just as much, if not more, than it helps you to achieve your goals as "power." Ungalo has no power to actually use Bohemian Rhapsody for anything besides causing random chaos. That's literally the only thing it can do. GER can attack or defend, and we never get to see the full extent of it's power. Presumably GER could tell the sun rays "no" keeping them from ever reaching Earth and killing off all life on the planet much more efficiently than Ungalo could ever hope to.
That is pure headcanon but you know what isn't pure headcanon? The fact that Ungalo could probably create a "sun" character that could kill all life on earth by simply existing too close for comfort.
Senseless, directionless power is still legitimate power and while Giorno's Stand is extremely powerful and capable of attack and defence, it still isn't as powerful as Ungalo's.
You're focusing too much on "who can beat whom" or who can focus their abilities more instead of who actually has the most potential for destruction.
What you just said is also pure headcanon because Ungalo can't "create" anything. His stand works based on the imagination and cultural pastiche of the places and people it affects. Ungalo has no power to actually effect anything outside of hoping that the stand wreaks havoc as intended and in the one example we see of it's use his opponents easily manage to use his own "power" against him.
Again if we knew GER's range this would be more easily settled, but Weather Report and Pucci both have stronger stands by the end of the part then Ungalo and they would both lose to Giorno as well. If your only argument is who can cause the most destruction, then the world leaders of the Earth with nukes are the strongest Jojo characters in most parts.
Bohemian Rhapsody's ability is to bring fictional characters and settings to life. An example of a fictional character is the smiley sun you often see in a lot of children's cartoons, where I'm from, we call that character "uncle sun".
Bohemian Rhapsody can manifest new characters if a story is created. Which is exactly how Ungalo was defeated in the first place.
Another thing, if the President had the ability to spawn nukes and deploy them whenever he wanted without outside interference purely through the power of his mind, he would be pretty damn powerful cause now, he's Stand is a giant, unlimited nuke
Does it matter? Bohemian Rhapsody took time to activate. In that time the president could activate all the nukes.
The fact we didn't see Uncle Sun even though Bohemian Rhapsody affected the whole world iirc suggest that it's range is just the Earth.
Granted we don't know GER's range and rules (it seems to only activate when Giorno is in danger) but I think most people would agree that Giorno is more "powerful" in the commonly understood definition for these types of discussions.
To this day I still don't understand how Bohemian rhapsody represents Ungalo's nature.
He's just a poor boy, nobody loves him. He's just poor boy from a poor family!
Spare him his life from this monstrosity!
[pleasant lil piano riff]
Easy come easy go will you let me go
bISMILLAH NO, WE WILL NO LET YOU GO
Take my up vote this is perfect
The derangement vibe throughout maybe?
I don't think a lot of stand are good at it. For example does Jotaro and Dio having same type of stand implies their personality is similar? Cause they're absolutely not
Its just that they are fated to battle for the fate of the world
IMO the power suits them both, for different reasons. DIO is an egomaniac who will settle for nothing less than absolute power to make sure nothing happens without his approval and nullify anything that could potentially threaten him, whereas Jotaro is framed from as early as ripping Kakyoin's flesh bud out as someone whose effectiveness comes from his skill at staying stone cold under pressure, and (almost) always takes his time to carefully observe the situation.
I think this even fits with the most common ways for them to use their time stops, with DIO's most famous time stops all being him either moving somebody else who wasn't doing what he wanted (Polnareff on the stairs and Wilson Phillips in the car) or attacking his enemies without letting them move, while I think all but 2 of the times Jotaro uses SP:TW are primarily for defensive actions (like dodging Ratt's bullets or redirecting SHA) or moving to set up a regular attack when time resumes (like dodging Josuke's uppercut in DiU episode 1).
Those exceptions being when he threw the harpoon at Pucci, which is notably the first time Jotaro failed to achieve the goal of a time stop, and his very last use of the ability, where he planned to cave Pucci's skull in during the time stop... and ended up spending it on defending Jolyne from the thrown knives, because that was always how Jotaro would have used this power. The way I see it, it symbolically ties in nicely with the whole "family is both their greatest weakness and greatest strength" theme of Stone Ocean.
Bohemian Rhapsody unconciously wreaks havoc on the planet the way Ungalo's drug addled state unconsciously wreaks havoc on his own life.
As far as the song choice idk. I think Araki just liked it and thought it sounded chaotic. I wouldn't look too deeply into the lyrical meaning on a lot of his choices because I don't think he understands English, at least not to the level that he would understand the deeper metaphorical meanings in some of these songs. For example I don't think Ungalo was coming out as gay which is what a lot of people feel Bohemian Rhapsody is about.
Chaos
Exactly what I think of this mf
One thing that always annoyed about bohemian rhapsody, why didn’t weather also make it part of his characters story that he found and killed Pucci and gave him back his memories before getting rid of the stories
He obviously in a rush, since he was about to get killed.
If he was able to think of the get rid of the stories idea he could think of it solving his other problems too
That's easy to say when you aren't in that situation.
let’s see you think of that while you’re three seconds away from dying painfully
Fate or something
I guess he had to compensate giving some of the most busted stands ever in terms of scale
It's a awesome stand though
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