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This is the funniest shit, they literally are like “its that simple” when all of the “mental gymnastics” of the “hitler was right wing” is literally just the same argument 5 times about how hitler hated communism while the “hitler was socialist” mental gymnastics is “I should trust hitler for his word, surely he didn’t manipulate anyone to become a dictator” it’s so fucking funny how telling this is, these people genuinely can’t think for themselves and that’s why the right wing loves AI so much
There was a case a few years ago where an AI basically got trained into being racist. Since then, most AI have safeguards specifically against fascism.
Google's AI couldn't figure out how to do a basic currency conversion for me earlier today, it's actually the worst piece of shit I've ever had the displeasure of having showed down my throat.
Hitler was known to lie about his beliefs lmao , the dude only wanted the collected few to have power and the rest to banished if there weren’t “worthy enough” , insane to even consider hitler left wing lol 😂
A lot of strawmanning. The left wing "mental gymnastics" are actually simple: "nazis got the support of private industry", "nazism had socialism in the name merely because it was popular at the time", and "Hitler hated socialists, anyway, therefore he was a liberal".
No, it’s impossible. World leaders are known to never lie and if they call themselves socialists then they MUST be socialists, because there’s no way they’d call themselves that to appease a German working class that was, at the time, angry at the Weimar Republic and wanted to fell empowered because article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles led to economic collapse in Germany, and Hitler was smart enough to leverage the word ‘socialism’ to convince people they were socialists when they absolutely weren’t.
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
Hitler literally privatized more than he nationalized, the nationalizations were vague, especially compared to everything else: banking, mining, steel, railways, shipyards, ship-lines, local utilities, etc, etc, etc.
-Hitler was put in power by the literal main capitalist elites of Germany of back then (All the biggest, most powerful german families at the time, Krupp, Thyssen, Siemens, Flick, Quandt, you name it, were in the NSDAP from the beggining, bankrolled him, and were the ones that beneffited from nazism the most).
-Hitler's economic program was based on mass privatizations, more than any other german government before, banking, mining, steel, railways, shipyards, ship-lines, local utilities, etc, etc, etc. Everything that was on the hands of the state from the Bismark to the Weimar era, were put on the hands of the same people that put him there.
-Hitler was never in favor of collective control of the means of production, Mein Kampf EXPLICITLY describes the abolition of private property as a symptom of economic and social decline, attributing it to "jewish" and marxist influences, he describes it as a "grave economic symptom of decline". In the book he defends capitalism, as a system that has been "perverted" by international judaism, advocating for a national capitalism that puts the aryan race as the priority, nothing of this is socialist at all, it's capitalism with a nationalist twist (Something, surprise, surprise, the US did during Manifest Destiny).
-Hitler persecuted virtually all the leftists movements that existed in Germany. Socialists, communists, anarchists, every single one of them were the main priority when he got into office, putting them on the concentration camp way before everyone else, and in the political compass, only them were seen as the enemies, not anyone else, conservatives, nationalists, economical liberals, everyone on the right of the spectrum could serve in the government if they didn't show any opossition, meanwhile you could be emprisioned at the slight suspicion of being any kind of leftist, even if they supported nazism (Literally what happened in the night of the long knives), I wonder why.
Hitler was a socialist actual mental gymnastics:
-Industrial and financial german capital supporting Hitler? Main economic policy in their favor over anything else more than any previous german ruler? What are you talking about? I just know that Hitler and Stalin weren't any different from each other because they signed a pact in 1939 and the rest was history, wasn't Hitler elected that year?
-Hitler was a socialist because his party was called the National Socialist German Workers Party! Don't you read? The name of the party says so! Forget that I don't believe that China is socialist despite them being ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, because I see their economic policies as capitalism, but this time around it's different, believe me!
-Hitler wanted to collectively control the means of production, why? Because he wanted the state to do things! New Deal? Social-democracy? Mixed economy capitalist systems? No, I don't know about them, I just don't see any difference between protectionism and socialism, I don't even know how actual capitalist countries work, and I don't even know shit about how the nazi economy worked, but they were totalitarian, so who cares?
-Hitler persecuted socialists because it was leftist infighting! It's that simple! They did that because they rejected marxism! but not socialism! anarchists, even other national socialists killed by Hitler were obviously marxists! They didn't support abolishing private property in favor of germany like the big german capitalists obviously did!
I am correct. Hitler was a bourgeois socialist, just like Bernie sanders, Tito, Deng, mamdani, and other social democrats. This is to say that hitlers bourgeois socialism was in complete opposition to Stalins marxist socialism.
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
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It's not as if the term "privatization" was literally coined to describe Nazi policy or anything
It's not just hypocrisy - capitalism will make hypocrites of us all. It is entitlement to hypocrisy which defines liberalism.
https://preview.redd.it/4t6ubq82es8g1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aae39ae9c090f906ca2dc9fce19e62b87ee39f04
The top "serious" comment from a libertarian is somehow worse, and everyone is praising it.
the political compass needs to be memory-holed already
Whenever I see an “Aunt-Center” flair I can’t help but laugh because they’re always doing Nazi apologia.
Socialism: Social-democracy, welfare-capitalism
Capitalism: social democracy.
What even does fucking anything mean!
They're worse than stupid, they hand their countries to them on a silver platter
I understand Reeducation camps now
This is the funniest shit, they literally are like “its that simple” when all of the “mental gymnastics” of the “hitler was right wing” is literally just the same argument 5 times about how hitler hated communism while the “hitler was socialist” mental gymnastics is “I should trust hitler for his word, surely he didn’t manipulate anyone to become a dictator” it’s so fucking funny how telling this is, these people genuinely can’t think for themselves and that’s why the right wing loves AI so much
Even the Google AI knows they're full of shit, and googles AI is fuckin stupid.
https://preview.redd.it/wavocdools8g1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=f500b09c58baf106f1aa6dfeefd116cccb399991
Most chatbots don't fall for this lie, which is fortunate and surprisingly refreshing to see.
There was a case a few years ago where an AI basically got trained into being racist. Since then, most AI have safeguards specifically against fascism.
Google's AI couldn't figure out how to do a basic currency conversion for me earlier today, it's actually the worst piece of shit I've ever had the displeasure of having showed down my throat.
Yet somehow it gets that right, fucking wild lol
If Hitler comes back to life somehow and gets called a "leftist" by a lolbertarian, he'd kill himself a second time
The nazis used all the socialist language to leech off off the popularity of the KPD... YOU ARE LITERALLY FALLING FOR NAZI PROPAGANDA 😭
They're doing it because they agree with the Nazis.
Liberals do got that deep-seated love of the nazis
The liberal to fascist pipeline is 1 Planck length long. :p
Hitler was known to lie about his beliefs lmao , the dude only wanted the collected few to have power and the rest to banished if there weren’t “worthy enough” , insane to even consider hitler left wing lol 😂
libertarians and believing nazi propaganda, what better combo is there?
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
https://hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/
Here is the original by vegan sidekick
https://preview.redd.it/0yjpr21kds8g1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d764f1e7acb0012b37139679941bf3b6119f7a5c
A lot of strawmanning. The left wing "mental gymnastics" are actually simple: "nazis got the support of private industry", "nazism had socialism in the name merely because it was popular at the time", and "Hitler hated socialists, anyway, therefore he was a liberal".
https://preview.redd.it/ma6zc5k1ss8g1.png?width=756&format=png&auto=webp&s=c198c64b0ca1029f4d6351c04c8328c5f452bef3
Unless OOP's post is a repost, it seems to have been made 2 years ago
They're just extremely unoriginal
Wait, you’re telling me Hitler of ALL people would lie?
No, it’s impossible. World leaders are known to never lie and if they call themselves socialists then they MUST be socialists, because there’s no way they’d call themselves that to appease a German working class that was, at the time, angry at the Weimar Republic and wanted to fell empowered because article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles led to economic collapse in Germany, and Hitler was smart enough to leverage the word ‘socialism’ to convince people they were socialists when they absolutely weren’t.
No, that would NEVER happen.
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
https://famous-trials.com/hitler/2529-1923-interview-with-adolf-hitler
Hitler nationalized, he must be a communist. WTF during financial crisis almost everyone nationalized
Hitler literally privatized more than he nationalized, the nationalizations were vague, especially compared to everything else: banking, mining, steel, railways, shipyards, ship-lines, local utilities, etc, etc, etc.
Not one single right winger has ever heard of the night of the long knives
collective control by WHO? BY WHICH CLASSS?!?
THESE ABSOLUTE DOGS, THEY STILL CANT EVEN CONSIDER THE PROLETARIAN CLASS EVEN WHEN THEY TRY TO MAKE FUN OF IT!!
Socialism is when state does stuff. And if state does lots of stuff is communism
If Hitler wasn’t a commie-killing right winger then who was
Hitler was a right-wing "mental gymnastics":
-Hitler was put in power by the literal main capitalist elites of Germany of back then (All the biggest, most powerful german families at the time, Krupp, Thyssen, Siemens, Flick, Quandt, you name it, were in the NSDAP from the beggining, bankrolled him, and were the ones that beneffited from nazism the most).
-Hitler's economic program was based on mass privatizations, more than any other german government before, banking, mining, steel, railways, shipyards, ship-lines, local utilities, etc, etc, etc. Everything that was on the hands of the state from the Bismark to the Weimar era, were put on the hands of the same people that put him there.
-Hitler was never in favor of collective control of the means of production, Mein Kampf EXPLICITLY describes the abolition of private property as a symptom of economic and social decline, attributing it to "jewish" and marxist influences, he describes it as a "grave economic symptom of decline". In the book he defends capitalism, as a system that has been "perverted" by international judaism, advocating for a national capitalism that puts the aryan race as the priority, nothing of this is socialist at all, it's capitalism with a nationalist twist (Something, surprise, surprise, the US did during Manifest Destiny).
-Hitler persecuted virtually all the leftists movements that existed in Germany. Socialists, communists, anarchists, every single one of them were the main priority when he got into office, putting them on the concentration camp way before everyone else, and in the political compass, only them were seen as the enemies, not anyone else, conservatives, nationalists, economical liberals, everyone on the right of the spectrum could serve in the government if they didn't show any opossition, meanwhile you could be emprisioned at the slight suspicion of being any kind of leftist, even if they supported nazism (Literally what happened in the night of the long knives), I wonder why.
Hitler was a socialist actual mental gymnastics:
-Industrial and financial german capital supporting Hitler? Main economic policy in their favor over anything else more than any previous german ruler? What are you talking about? I just know that Hitler and Stalin weren't any different from each other because they signed a pact in 1939 and the rest was history, wasn't Hitler elected that year?
-Hitler was a socialist because his party was called the National Socialist German Workers Party! Don't you read? The name of the party says so! Forget that I don't believe that China is socialist despite them being ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, because I see their economic policies as capitalism, but this time around it's different, believe me!
-Hitler wanted to collectively control the means of production, why? Because he wanted the state to do things! New Deal? Social-democracy? Mixed economy capitalist systems? No, I don't know about them, I just don't see any difference between protectionism and socialism, I don't even know how actual capitalist countries work, and I don't even know shit about how the nazi economy worked, but they were totalitarian, so who cares?
-Hitler persecuted socialists because it was leftist infighting! It's that simple! They did that because they rejected marxism! but not socialism! anarchists, even other national socialists killed by Hitler were obviously marxists! They didn't support abolishing private property in favor of germany like the big german capitalists obviously did!
They are correct. Hitler was indeed a socialist.
Nice one. In a different thread, you wrote:
Let me guess, ACP? You're giving the game away too easily.
You must enjoy urinal cakes, because they have "cakes" in their name
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"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
I never said Hitler was a marxist. Hitler was a bourgeois socialist, which this quote proves.