No, no, you don't understand! They literally own the language, therefore can do with it whatever they want! At the same time, they also preserved ye olden english ways and saved the language from being butchered by the english! That and something something moon, GDP, bigly Texas, hamberder covfefe.
The reason we’re bombarded with nationalism from such a young age is specifically so we won’t do that. No need to make things better if you’ve been programmed from birth to think you’re already the best.
Not gonna lie. It is kind of creepy that you are almost forced to say the pledge every day since at least primary school. We just learned our nacional anthem at some point and heard it a comple of times and that was it. There was a weird teacher, that after teaching the anthem, played it everyday and everyone thought it was hella weird.
On our national holiday, the Belgian prime minister was asked to sing the belgian national anthem in French. I kid you not, the dude began singing the French anthem.
Oh yeah. Nobody was particularly surprised either. I think the average Belgian can sing the first few words in their own language and that's it. Belgians are not very patriotic like that. Don't touch our food and our beer though!
Surprisingly it’s not like this for Italy, that’s because we hear the anthem every time there’s a football match with our country and you know how Italy is with football lmao
he, this thread is about how much better the US is than us Norwegians, don't kidnap it with you Danish happiness
btw, we are clearly superior as we know the 1st verse of our Anthem and we are able to hum along with the next one they play. (which ofcourse it not the 2nd verse, but the 5th or the 7th, i don't know... )
This right here 💯. If it wasn’t for my daughters who are in there 20s, I would still be unenlightented about how the history I was taught in school was white washed. I’m in my 50s.
In most of Europe, being nationalist or a "patriot" is deeply frowned upon and considered dangerously close to some guys we fought against in the 1940s. So it's very strange to us to see American act like that. It's even stranger because Americans are usually the first to talk about how much they hate nazis
that’s because you can be proud of your country and your nationality without being a patriot. “Patriot” in itself has a negative connotation that makes it something closer to nationalism imo
This is an interesting take. I think you may be right! I think of people I know, and those who contribute the most to economy and sciences, or overall quality of life in the US also happen to be the most concerned of the state of affairs in the US.
The thing is, it's people from outside the Nordics that most often bring it up.
We generally just care about beating each other in those rankings and then ignore the rest of them.
Especially beating Sweden, the only thing important in those rankings is beating Sweden.
It's that age old story if you say it enough times, people will believe it's the truth, home of the brave land of the free, but the free don't get mentioned much in the history books
What's really tragic is you're probably right. Most people over compensate dissatisfaction in their lives by delusionally comparing themselves highly against all others. A sort of "yeah my life is bad, but atleast I'm pretty sure its better than yours" mentality.
FYI, the banks don’t have much money in them, most transactions are digital.
If you wanna do a big crime without physically harming anyone or anything, you should do some white collar shit like money laundering or tax fraud…
In that case, they're also likely to consider Europe as a single entity/country. European total GDP is higher than the US one. Yet again, they lose (at what, no one knows).
Oh, I must have some outdated data then. A few years ago, the whole of Europe was ahead. Even the EU alone was ahead in the 2010s, when the UK was still there. Still close enough to avoid any absurd comment for any sane person about the US being "much better" though.
And indeed, Europe is currently way ahead in GDP (PPP), but it's incomprehensible for some people.
Yeah but cmon they win at taking bloody ages to get anywhere. Absolute nothing for 12 hours but people shagging their sisters, a cactus, and somebody with a banjo, is apparently a flex…
It's morbidly funny when someone mentions the whole "richest country in the world!" thing to just take a look at the appalachian region and see the kind of slums people live in. But I guess that doesn't count, for some reason.
What counts as rich, once spoke to an employee at Busch gardens Tampa, who couldn't afford to go to the sister park Sea world in Orlando, with 3 others, only cost was fuel, 160 mile round trip.
Right between the pledge of allegiance and active shooter drills.
In short, Earth is 6,000 years old and American Jesus just like the American people sacrafice himself so others can have their free health care and freedomes and yet despite the goodness of the American citizen they (the foreigners) still try communism.
New revisions are considered to put the blessed by God and his representitive, leader of the freest country in the world, bringer of piece and democracy, his majesty Donald Trump.
Yes, but the economic success has contributed to US exceptionalism. Many Americans believe they are rich because they're so awesome, rather than that they're so rich in part because their "island" is far away and from the huge loans and sales to UK and France during the Great War.
History is taught, but it mainly focuses on American exceptionalism. It does a fair job of telling the truth, with some exceptions obviously, no history is ever taught telling the whole truth. Because history is only ever written by the victor. Newer books are becoming more white-washed unfortunately. Especially with the rise of far right extremism. There is plenty of push back across the country, but some of these places are so entrenched in the old ways that they may never "see the light" so to speak. Their kids are better prospects to change their ways versus the older folk.
For example, the founding fathers are taught to be wise men that grew tired of an oppressive king, which is true, but the books omit that they were all slave owners at the same time.
It is taught that Abraham Lincoln is a great man who freed the slaves, which for the most part, is probably right. But the books omit that at first he was very against freeing the slaves, but came around to the idea after seeing how society, and the people felt about said issue.
The Robber Barons of the late 1800s (Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, and J.P. Morgan) are shown as excellent businessmen, which is true. It mentions their greed and lust for more power and money, but kind of glosses over it as a non issue. But it does mention that their monopolies did lead to massive change and reform within the government. But it never really expresses just how dangerous extreme capitalism can be.
Columbus is a real point where the books are extremely biased. He is seen as a hero almost. He has a national holiday lol. He "Brought civilization to the savages", "discovered the new world." When in reality, he was a total piece of shit that didn't discover anything that didn't already have people there. The books briefly mention he landed in the Caribbean, but omits that he proceeded to enslave and commit genocide of the Caribbean indigenous people.
The great expansion of the 1800s to the west coast is seen as Manifest Destiny and a good thing. The books do mention a few of the big battles the US fought against Native Americans. It does mention some of the atrocities that were committed. But overall, the concept is one of "The expansion was inevitable. Some actions are regretted, but necessary at the time. Do not repeat if possible."
The World Wars are taught that America wanted no part in them at first. Which is true. We mainly supplied materials and supplies until we were dragged into them. But when we did get fully involved, "The sleeping giant had been awakened." This part is where the "liberation of the world" idea stems from.
Most of the negatives are omitted in grade school. Most of the books paint America as overall the good guys. Mentions of failures and evil American deeds are few. When mentioned, the next pages are almost always a tale of how America(ns) learned, or overcame said failures. It's not until university or curious individuals seek the truth in their 20s, where Americans will learn that America isn't as great as we're taught in grade school.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I see a lot of people on the internet say Americans are stupid. Not all of us are stupid. We have ~345 million people in our country, third highest in the world. All countries have stupid people. All countries have smart people. We have some of the best institutions in the world. We also have some widespread rural areas that lack education and are dumb as a bag of hammers.
So yea, we're going through a bit of a phase right now. Fucking shit up in my opinion, not good. But I still have faith that the good, smart people of this country will rise above and find a way. Hopefully coming out better people on the other side, OR we may start WW3 and destroy the world lol
There was an American who replied to one of these posts once after a usual stab at "stupid americans" and they more or less confirmed the very, very poor and US-centric teachings. Wish I had saved the link because it was well written and highlighted a huge problem with the education and how it makes a lot of US citizens having a... strange and wrong view of the world.
Oh, I didn't know that Norwegians live worse on average than Americans.
I didn't realise that Norwegian healthcare is so bad, that the average pension level is so low, that the education system is rotten and that the overall quality of life is so terrible.
It's strange that I never noticed this during my many visits to Oslo.
It's also strange that I always found conversations with Norwegians much more interesting than those with Americans, because I found Norwegians to be much more educated, internationally interested and reflective.
But looking at this post, I'm probably quite wrong.
Jezus, there are 45 countries in Europa and this dumbass picked the richest of them all. Like literally any country but Norway, Switzerland or the micro states and you have a case. Literally any other country....
Yes, Norway's "work environment law" (arbeidsmiljøloven, aml.) says that a firing must be reasonable. Three months mutual "let go duration" (I forget the actual English term) is the norm, meaning that if you're fired on 2 December then you can work and get paid until 31 March (rest of the month + three full months), so you have plenty of time to find a new job
That is even better than we have in the UK. I feel sorry for our American friends no holidays no job security it's almost like they have no freedom at all
Assuming you're Norwegian: It's four weeks plus "Gro-dagen". Ferieloven says 25 days but includes Saturdays, which means 4x6+1=25. A full five weeks (or more) is the de facto standard, but only four weeks and a day are the de jure vacation that you must get.
It's funny how Americans goes on about their high wages and low taxes but then they pay an ungodly amount for healthcare and also rent is nuts over there.
It's like they can't seem to understand that if you are gonna compare wages in different countries you should not look at what hits the account but instead what's left of the last salary when the next one arrives.
I'm the same as you, I don't earn a lot in USA standards but I can save 20-30% of my salary without any issues and go on 2-3 vacations a year.
The underlying reason they're bitter is that "white people" aren't moving to the US in large numbers anymore.
When Europeans reject America's advances, they get offended and then start insulting the person's country.
Some of them can't grasp that Europe today, while not perfect, is in a much more prosperous state now than it was at the time of mass migration to North America.
The average Norweigan's life wouldn’t improve if they were to migrate to the US in 2025, unless they're incredibly entrepreneurial.
When one as OOP make such statement by 'we', he mean combined him, Bezos and Musk have higher net worth than any 3 people from another nation. Obviously on average 'they' are richer.
I don't know how you don't see the logic. It is very well known and widely spread in his trailer park.
You see, Americans are so much better at life than Norwegians that they actually require FOUR ENTIRE YEARS less of being alive, in order to reach the American standard in excellence at living.
Cash is almost non-existent and primarily used by the elderly. We're very digitised. I saw someone from the US getting tax forms or jury summons by paper mail. In Norway we've been doing tax returns digitally for two decades and we have digital platforms for official mail.
I was on the tube in London on Thursday and I heard an American guy (who looked like a bit of a hobo) lean over unbidden to a girl and say “my country is much richer than yours”
I mean, wtf. What was the point? Did he think that was a good chat up line.
"The manager of the holding-company that owns the company of which my place of work is a subsidiary, owns a yacht, which means that I'M better than you."
The day you lie in your deathbed and reflect on a life lived, what do you think will give you a sense of peace and happiness?
Looking back at all the free time you had spending time with your loved ones while not worrying that your medical care is not putting them at financial stress, or thinking about all those working hours spent at all hours of days and weekends so you could enjoy how the investor living on the swanky part of the city could live in unimaginable luxury while your kids were wondering if you could make their game THIS time?
After a certain standard of living has been achieved, quality of life becomes dependent on other factors. Factors where the US frankly sucks.
Another Murican who doesn’t know difference beetween than and then. Norway is one of the richest nations on earth owning 1/10 of all stockmarket and most likely only democratic oilnation.
Us median level of living is third world.
US mostly has money from ever increasing national debt (in part borrowed from their own population). Norway mostly has money because they found oil and used the profits to make some smart investments from which they can keep making money.
I’ve seen how a very large portion of "middle class" Americans live and act.
And it seems to be on par with people on minimum income or welfare here in Norway, not like people with high incomes and high education and successful lives.
And I don’t get how they could ever even delude themselves into thinking so, except if they think "one step above destitute poverty" is literally as high as it goes unless you’re a literal celebrity, willfully unaware that there is literally like 14 more steps to the top of the societal ladder.
The thing is…. Yes… that individual yank may be richer…. But there’s so much terrible inequality in the US.Their libertarian ’fuck you, I’m alright’ attitude sickens me…. I much prefer it that we have a society as a whole that means the majority have a good and decent standard of living instead of one rich twat and thousands of people on the breadline.
If by learning you mean thinking "wow that sounds great, let's try that" you're right. We're moving in the wrong direction, for example when it comes to universal health care
I’m not meaning to copy what we’re doing at all. We’re probably the best example of what not to do. I mean “oh that was stupid what you guys did, so we will not do that”.
Hahahaha “anti-Americanism” is against sub rules. In a sub about stupid shit Americans say. And with a specific pop up to say so. Americans are now a protected class.
The fact that Norwegians don't pay tax the first 3 months of the year because of the oil money the state makes would like to have a say, based on population and size Norway is way richer than the u.s and they still have free healthcare covered by taxes free education and a much better way of life in general they get older and are not so freaking morbidly obese
The fact that Norwegians don't pay tax the first 3 months of the year because of the oil money the state makes would like to have a say
What? As a Norwegian, this is the first time I've ever heard that claim. It's certainly not true. The income tax is (it's technically more complicated, but simply put) "cut in half" in December (so that we have more money to spend on Christmas), but otherwise it's the full taxes all year.
The Norwegian central government is in a net asset position, i.e. the government’s total financial assets exceed the total debt. They borrow cheap to then re-invest.
WASHINGTON, DC – Today, the Joint Economic Committee released its Monthly Fiscal Update. In November, the federal government ran a deficit of $173.277 billion. From the beginning of the fiscal year to November, deficits were $457.627 billion. This means 38.20 percent of outlays in FY2026 were not paid for by revenues, and for every dollar the federal government received in revenue, it spent $1.62.
Wow.
I mean we've seen this line of argument countless times here, but THIS guy picked literally the worst possible example with "Norway".
Is there ANY country (of decent size) in the world that has a higher GDP, higher income level, more freedom and is generally "richer" than norway?
One might excuse if I donÄt have the numbers at hand, but I feel this is the dumbest example of a dumb american ever.
We're occasionally beat on individual rankings by Finland, Switzerland and so on, but we were top of the HDI index for 20 years (now second iirc), we're at the top of one or more democracy indices, I think we're at the top of the press freedom index and so on and so forth.
The ironic part is that many things are kind of bad in Norway, so really it's the rest of the world that is too fucked up rather than us being some kind of shining light of utopian society.
This is a real beauty. Norway could buy the US 10 times over with the loose change in their Sovereign Wealth Fund. They don't because they use the money to improve the lives of their citizens.
"....er...well, some of us richer anyway. And I'm going to make sure these people keep getting richer, no matter how many of my fellow citizens I have to hurt! USA! USA!" :P
US annual GDP was about $30 trillion, it's going to be less fo 2025 unless they fudge the numbers or not release them at all. Debt is up to $38+ trillion, so the net figure is -$8 TRILLION DOLLARS..
Is America really the biggest and richest country in the world, when it has such a huge deficit.
Norwegian here. My wife is from Viet Nam. When she has visited the US, they look stunned after asking her if she would like to move to the US. Her fast reply is never ever. She often gets this question from Latin American immigrants there.
Probably even Norwegian prisoner lives better than the one who posted it lol.
And is much better educated; then, or than? What an illiterate Seppo tw@.
No, no, you don't understand! They literally own the language, therefore can do with it whatever they want! At the same time, they also preserved ye olden english ways and saved the language from being butchered by the english! That and something something moon, GDP, bigly Texas, hamberder covfefe.
I could care less about they're affect on English, irregardless.
(damn, that was painful to type!)
If it's any consolation, it was painful to read as well.
Hoping that was IN FACT deliberate..hard to tell nowadays..
how much less could you care ?
I have faith you knew what you were doing, take my upvote good sir/madam
You should of been more careful in composing you’re sentence.
Norway and other Nordic countries- consistently rank at the top of the global indices for safety, happiness, and quality of life
Americans: “we’re still superior in every single way. Long live the USA!”
If only they used that passion to actually improve their country
The reason we’re bombarded with nationalism from such a young age is specifically so we won’t do that. No need to make things better if you’ve been programmed from birth to think you’re already the best.
Not gonna lie. It is kind of creepy that you are almost forced to say the pledge every day since at least primary school. We just learned our nacional anthem at some point and heard it a comple of times and that was it. There was a weird teacher, that after teaching the anthem, played it everyday and everyone thought it was hella weird.
I honestly only know the first verse of our national anthem by heart.
We don't even have a pledge of allegiance at all that I know of.
We do love our flag though. We use it on our birthdays.
On our national holiday, the Belgian prime minister was asked to sing the belgian national anthem in French. I kid you not, the dude began singing the French anthem.
https://youtu.be/i2cR_amAXus?si=ipanSaUs16SOpIqp
hell naw
Oh yeah. Nobody was particularly surprised either. I think the average Belgian can sing the first few words in their own language and that's it. Belgians are not very patriotic like that. Don't touch our food and our beer though!
Surprisingly it’s not like this for Italy, that’s because we hear the anthem every time there’s a football match with our country and you know how Italy is with football lmao
he, this thread is about how much better the US is than us Norwegians, don't kidnap it with you Danish happiness
btw, we are clearly superior as we know the 1st verse of our Anthem and we are able to hum along with the next one they play. (which ofcourse it not the 2nd verse, but the 5th or the 7th, i don't know... )
The pledge used to be even creepier a century ago, believe it or not. Google "Bellamy salute" and see for yourself.
This right here 💯. If it wasn’t for my daughters who are in there 20s, I would still be unenlightented about how the history I was taught in school was white washed. I’m in my 50s.
Congratulations for the open mindedness and for your smart socially aware daughters ❤️
In most of Europe, being nationalist or a "patriot" is deeply frowned upon and considered dangerously close to some guys we fought against in the 1940s. So it's very strange to us to see American act like that. It's even stranger because Americans are usually the first to talk about how much they hate nazis
Unless it's about sports,especially winter sports, then its fine to be a patriot.
that’s because you can be proud of your country and your nationality without being a patriot. “Patriot” in itself has a negative connotation that makes it something closer to nationalism imo
Yeah, I agree
This is an interesting take. I think you may be right! I think of people I know, and those who contribute the most to economy and sciences, or overall quality of life in the US also happen to be the most concerned of the state of affairs in the US.
And overthrow their psychopaths in government so their criminal capo wannabe stop threatening us with his xenophobic rhetoric
America is just jealous of Norways $1.5 trillion dollar National Sovereign Fund.
If only had the amount of debt the US has they would be truly rich.
You know the Seppos are gonna invade Norway and steal that wealth don’t you?
Not to say that Nordic countries don’t, but I keep being reminded of this so often that it feels like they are overcompensating for something.
The thing is, it's people from outside the Nordics that most often bring it up. We generally just care about beating each other in those rankings and then ignore the rest of them. Especially beating Sweden, the only thing important in those rankings is beating Sweden.
It's that age old story if you say it enough times, people will believe it's the truth, home of the brave land of the free, but the free don't get mentioned much in the history books
What's really tragic is you're probably right. Most people over compensate dissatisfaction in their lives by delusionally comparing themselves highly against all others. A sort of "yeah my life is bad, but atleast I'm pretty sure its better than yours" mentality.
My retirement plan is to commit crime in Norway. Norwegian prisons seem like a great place to ride out your golden years.
Unfortunately, for some absurd reason Norwegian politicians seem to be inspired by the US and our prisons are suffering as a result.
Sigh, well I have about 20 years to figure out another Scandinavian country to rob a bank in.
FYI, the banks don’t have much money in them, most transactions are digital. If you wanna do a big crime without physically harming anyone or anything, you should do some white collar shit like money laundering or tax fraud…
But they said “then”. Gotta be consistent with their incorrect grammar lol
Norway does have that prison island that's kinda based.
Bastøy?
That's the one!
Norwegian prisons are nicer than most basic homes in America
So true.
Yeah, another Yank who doesn't know that GDP is not the same as mean income and wealth.
And even then, the Norwegian GDP per capita is higher than the American one.
But that would require them to understand per capita, which is yet another bar that a lot seemingly don't pass.
In that case, they're also likely to consider Europe as a single entity/country. European total GDP is higher than the US one. Yet again, they lose (at what, no one knows).
That is not true unfortunately. GDP US is around 30t, EU is around 20t and Europe is around 28t. GDP (PPP) is more favourable though.
Oh, I must have some outdated data then. A few years ago, the whole of Europe was ahead. Even the EU alone was ahead in the 2010s, when the UK was still there. Still close enough to avoid any absurd comment for any sane person about the US being "much better" though.
And indeed, Europe is currently way ahead in GDP (PPP), but it's incomprehensible for some people.
Yeah but cmon they win at taking bloody ages to get anywhere. Absolute nothing for 12 hours but people shagging their sisters, a cactus, and somebody with a banjo, is apparently a flex…
Norway also has an oil fund which is worth $2 trillion and owns 1.5% of the global stock market. Norway got crazy levels of money.
Though they still can't keep their currency in check for some reason. It's plummeting, which hurts me personally so I hope it recovers soon
Median average is the one that really matters in this context, since the mean average will still be heavily distorted by outliers.
It's morbidly funny when someone mentions the whole "richest country in the world!" thing to just take a look at the appalachian region and see the kind of slums people live in. But I guess that doesn't count, for some reason.
What counts as rich, once spoke to an employee at Busch gardens Tampa, who couldn't afford to go to the sister park Sea world in Orlando, with 3 others, only cost was fuel, 160 mile round trip.
I'm very curious about how history is taught in America, the indoctrination towards "liberation of the world" is wild.
History? Taught?
say what you want the the US has been a pretty efficient propaganda machine for most of its existence
“Pretty efficient” is an enormous understatement. Propaganda wise, they are up in the big leagues with North Korea, China and Russia.
At least NK isnt hiding it. They fully embraced it while USA are still trying to trick people they are the nice guys.
It is!
Right between the pledge of allegiance and active shooter drills.
In short, Earth is 6,000 years old and American Jesus just like the American people sacrafice himself so others can have their free health care and freedomes and yet despite the goodness of the American citizen they (the foreigners) still try communism.
New revisions are considered to put the blessed by God and his representitive, leader of the freest country in the world, bringer of piece and democracy, his majesty Donald Trump.
Before 1776 nothing relevant happened and after 1776: USA! USA! USA!
There you go
It is insane how they managed to become so... Let's say unique, in such a short time. It's just 250 years. That's not a long time.
WW1 and WW2 were great contributors. The US profited immensely from WW1, for example
What do you mean by profit? I wasn't talking about success but rather how they managed to brainwash the population
Yes, but the economic success has contributed to US exceptionalism. Many Americans believe they are rich because they're so awesome, rather than that they're so rich in part because their "island" is far away and from the huge loans and sales to UK and France during the Great War.
History is taught, but it mainly focuses on American exceptionalism. It does a fair job of telling the truth, with some exceptions obviously, no history is ever taught telling the whole truth. Because history is only ever written by the victor. Newer books are becoming more white-washed unfortunately. Especially with the rise of far right extremism. There is plenty of push back across the country, but some of these places are so entrenched in the old ways that they may never "see the light" so to speak. Their kids are better prospects to change their ways versus the older folk.
For example, the founding fathers are taught to be wise men that grew tired of an oppressive king, which is true, but the books omit that they were all slave owners at the same time.
It is taught that Abraham Lincoln is a great man who freed the slaves, which for the most part, is probably right. But the books omit that at first he was very against freeing the slaves, but came around to the idea after seeing how society, and the people felt about said issue.
The Robber Barons of the late 1800s (Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, and J.P. Morgan) are shown as excellent businessmen, which is true. It mentions their greed and lust for more power and money, but kind of glosses over it as a non issue. But it does mention that their monopolies did lead to massive change and reform within the government. But it never really expresses just how dangerous extreme capitalism can be.
Columbus is a real point where the books are extremely biased. He is seen as a hero almost. He has a national holiday lol. He "Brought civilization to the savages", "discovered the new world." When in reality, he was a total piece of shit that didn't discover anything that didn't already have people there. The books briefly mention he landed in the Caribbean, but omits that he proceeded to enslave and commit genocide of the Caribbean indigenous people.
The great expansion of the 1800s to the west coast is seen as Manifest Destiny and a good thing. The books do mention a few of the big battles the US fought against Native Americans. It does mention some of the atrocities that were committed. But overall, the concept is one of "The expansion was inevitable. Some actions are regretted, but necessary at the time. Do not repeat if possible."
The World Wars are taught that America wanted no part in them at first. Which is true. We mainly supplied materials and supplies until we were dragged into them. But when we did get fully involved, "The sleeping giant had been awakened." This part is where the "liberation of the world" idea stems from.
Most of the negatives are omitted in grade school. Most of the books paint America as overall the good guys. Mentions of failures and evil American deeds are few. When mentioned, the next pages are almost always a tale of how America(ns) learned, or overcame said failures. It's not until university or curious individuals seek the truth in their 20s, where Americans will learn that America isn't as great as we're taught in grade school.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I see a lot of people on the internet say Americans are stupid. Not all of us are stupid. We have ~345 million people in our country, third highest in the world. All countries have stupid people. All countries have smart people. We have some of the best institutions in the world. We also have some widespread rural areas that lack education and are dumb as a bag of hammers.
So yea, we're going through a bit of a phase right now. Fucking shit up in my opinion, not good. But I still have faith that the good, smart people of this country will rise above and find a way. Hopefully coming out better people on the other side, OR we may start WW3 and destroy the world lol
There was an American who replied to one of these posts once after a usual stab at "stupid americans" and they more or less confirmed the very, very poor and US-centric teachings. Wish I had saved the link because it was well written and highlighted a huge problem with the education and how it makes a lot of US citizens having a... strange and wrong view of the world.
Oh, I didn't know that Norwegians live worse on average than Americans.
I didn't realise that Norwegian healthcare is so bad, that the average pension level is so low, that the education system is rotten and that the overall quality of life is so terrible.
It's strange that I never noticed this during my many visits to Oslo.
It's also strange that I always found conversations with Norwegians much more interesting than those with Americans, because I found Norwegians to be much more educated, internationally interested and reflective.
But looking at this post, I'm probably quite wrong.
Jezus, there are 45 countries in Europa and this dumbass picked the richest of them all. Like literally any country but Norway, Switzerland or the micro states and you have a case. Literally any other country....
Last year I encountered a seppo angrily ranting about how the US should immediately stop sending aid money to Switzerland...
It was funny stuff.
They're just upset that the Swiss can have guns without having the same level of gun crime as the US.
Same with Norway funnily enough.
There is high gun ownership in Norway too.
There are about 30 guns per 100 Norwegians. Which is very high compared to a lot of countries. And still… barely any gun related murders.
Not if the EU has anything to say about that... and it does.
What?
Hilarious lmao😂
Most of northern Europe have a better quality of life. While the US generally have higher wages much of the rest is way worse.
Our median income is roughly $38000, very similar to the US median income.
Even with our higher taxes I bet I live a better life than a majority of those making the same in the US.
I have a decent and modern house, two newish cars and a kid. I can still save roughly 20% of my net income after taxes etc.
And I would wager you had a holiday/vacation this year?
God yes. The government mandated 5 weeks and extra from my work.
That would be in a job that can't just fire you because that's how they feel today?
Yes, Norway's "work environment law" (arbeidsmiljøloven, aml.) says that a firing must be reasonable. Three months mutual "let go duration" (I forget the actual English term) is the norm, meaning that if you're fired on 2 December then you can work and get paid until 31 March (rest of the month + three full months), so you have plenty of time to find a new job
That is even better than we have in the UK. I feel sorry for our American friends no holidays no job security it's almost like they have no freedom at all
Assuming you're Norwegian: It's four weeks plus "Gro-dagen". Ferieloven says 25 days but includes Saturdays, which means 4x6+1=25. A full five weeks (or more) is the de facto standard, but only four weeks and a day are the de jure vacation that you must get.
Not Norwegian.
I'm Swedish.
I'll make sure to notify our government of this. "Sweden beats us" should be great motivation to get an extra week of vacation
Lol
It's funny how Americans goes on about their high wages and low taxes but then they pay an ungodly amount for healthcare and also rent is nuts over there.
It's like they can't seem to understand that if you are gonna compare wages in different countries you should not look at what hits the account but instead what's left of the last salary when the next one arrives.
I'm the same as you, I don't earn a lot in USA standards but I can save 20-30% of my salary without any issues and go on 2-3 vacations a year.
He still wouldn't "have a case"; but yes, he did in fact pick the worst possible target to try his arguments.
Add the netherlands, germany, belgium, sweden, denmark etc to that. US doesnt stand a chance against those
The underlying reason they're bitter is that "white people" aren't moving to the US in large numbers anymore.
When Europeans reject America's advances, they get offended and then start insulting the person's country.
Some of them can't grasp that Europe today, while not perfect, is in a much more prosperous state now than it was at the time of mass migration to North America.
The average Norweigan's life wouldn’t improve if they were to migrate to the US in 2025, unless they're incredibly entrepreneurial.
3 words buddy, ‘sovereign wealth fund’
Statens pensjonsfond utland 🤓
Hurr hurr richer but restaurant workers unable to feed themselves with their wages and threatening customers for tips.
From someone who doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than".
Are you though?
Trump makes everyone of richer by the day with those extraordinary tarrifs that all countries pay to the USA. /s
When one as OOP make such statement by 'we', he mean combined him, Bezos and Musk have higher net worth than any 3 people from another nation. Obviously on average 'they' are richer.
I don't know how you don't see the logic. It is very well known and widely spread in his trailer park.
perhaps its our lack of available saunas? or the fact that lunatics like this roam the US
has to be the lack of saunas
Isn't the average pay in Norway higher than the states?
Even without adjusting for cost of living?
It is, on average someone in the US ages 25-60 warns around 26USD and hour. In Norway that same group would earn 33USD an hour
Lol, thought so :)
Let's not tell them, they seem so happy
You see, Americans are so much better at life than Norwegians that they actually require FOUR ENTIRE YEARS less of being alive, in order to reach the American standard in excellence at living.
I'm sure the Norwegians are deeply saddened to hear this. They'll just have to wipe away their tears with their stacks of 50€ bills.
...Or our 500 kroner bills.
Well now I feel like a moron. Oh well, my point stands
People in Norway have euros in their wallets too, for those long weekend trips to Paris, Nice or Barcelona.
In fact, the direct flights from Oslo to Nice is know as «the Frogner tram» because quite a few locals use it frequently; and Frogner is a wealthier neghbourhood in western Oslo, with a tramline to the city centre: https://www.aftenposten.no/amagasinet/i/lAep7A/bonjour-oslo-kom-du-ogsaa-med-frognertrikken-til-nice-i-sommer
Keep your filthy euros. We're all about the sweet sweet fish-smelling petroleum kroner, with a hint of gun powder
And they will need to have their hurt feelings checked at the clinic for howevere it costs. They are so poor so it better be for free!
Cash is almost non-existent and primarily used by the elderly. We're very digitised. I saw someone from the US getting tax forms or jury summons by paper mail. In Norway we've been doing tax returns digitally for two decades and we have digital platforms for official mail.
I was on the tube in London on Thursday and I heard an American guy (who looked like a bit of a hobo) lean over unbidden to a girl and say “my country is much richer than yours”
I mean, wtf. What was the point? Did he think that was a good chat up line.
"The manager of the holding-company that owns the company of which my place of work is a subsidiary, owns a yacht, which means that I'M better than you."
Same mentality and result really.
At least you won't get shot in Norway.
Does he not know about their sovereign wealth fund?
even in their beloved "MUH GDP PER CAPITA" norway is richer
The day you lie in your deathbed and reflect on a life lived, what do you think will give you a sense of peace and happiness? Looking back at all the free time you had spending time with your loved ones while not worrying that your medical care is not putting them at financial stress, or thinking about all those working hours spent at all hours of days and weekends so you could enjoy how the investor living on the swanky part of the city could live in unimaginable luxury while your kids were wondering if you could make their game THIS time? After a certain standard of living has been achieved, quality of life becomes dependent on other factors. Factors where the US frankly sucks.
Another Murican who doesn’t know difference beetween than and then. Norway is one of the richest nations on earth owning 1/10 of all stockmarket and most likely only democratic oilnation. Us median level of living is third world.
It's something like 1.5%, not 10%
Enough anyways😀
No, Just because Jeff bezos or elon musk are richer does Not mean you are richer than the average European, No Matter If
Why don't Norwegians go to USA to work? (Orange Clown)
Than* learn English you idiot.
US mostly has money from ever increasing national debt (in part borrowed from their own population). Norway mostly has money because they found oil and used the profits to make some smart investments from which they can keep making money.
Let them believe that, it's their (shitty) lives lmao
The "us."
They start about Norway. Did they learn new word and start use it?
Im an American, and the amount of others here I see that think America is the best case scenario country while they live in poverty is crazy.
I’ve seen how a very large portion of "middle class" Americans live and act.
And it seems to be on par with people on minimum income or welfare here in Norway, not like people with high incomes and high education and successful lives.
And I don’t get how they could ever even delude themselves into thinking so, except if they think "one step above destitute poverty" is literally as high as it goes unless you’re a literal celebrity, willfully unaware that there is literally like 14 more steps to the top of the societal ladder.
I bet there is a Norwegian prisoner who lives better than the person who wrote that
Hahahahhahha
*than
'then'
The thing is…. Yes… that individual yank may be richer…. But there’s so much terrible inequality in the US.Their libertarian ’fuck you, I’m alright’ attitude sickens me…. I much prefer it that we have a society as a whole that means the majority have a good and decent standard of living instead of one rich twat and thousands of people on the breadline.
The US is in the process of dismantling it's department of education.
My reflex reaction was that this was a bad idea, but every day I see more evidence that it wasn't doing any good anyway.
No, your grandparents US is bc we have freedom rn, you have nothing to do with why i enjoy freedom now
Remove the top 10% in terms of wealth and I'll bet Norwegians are, on average, wealthier than Americans
I felt that right in my free healthcare
This is clearly written by a child right? Can’t believe a grown up would construct this sentence.
They have a two party system, it's like almost barbaric.
Only reason I would agree with them is Norway most likely learned from our mistakes, both the ones we made and the ones we’re still making.
If by learning you mean thinking "wow that sounds great, let's try that" you're right. We're moving in the wrong direction, for example when it comes to universal health care
I’m not meaning to copy what we’re doing at all. We’re probably the best example of what not to do. I mean “oh that was stupid what you guys did, so we will not do that”.
I know :) Unfortunately that's not what we're doing
Their blind belief in their superiority in every aspect is North Korea-level.
Ike even the prisons in Norway be livin better than some peeps out here for real
Hahahaha “anti-Americanism” is against sub rules. In a sub about stupid shit Americans say. And with a specific pop up to say so. Americans are now a protected class.
they are so free that they freely dont know when to use 'then' and 'than'
The fact that Norwegians don't pay tax the first 3 months of the year because of the oil money the state makes would like to have a say, based on population and size Norway is way richer than the u.s and they still have free healthcare covered by taxes free education and a much better way of life in general they get older and are not so freaking morbidly obese
What? As a Norwegian, this is the first time I've ever heard that claim. It's certainly not true. The income tax is (it's technically more complicated, but simply put) "cut in half" in December (so that we have more money to spend on Christmas), but otherwise it's the full taxes all year.
Pretty sure Norway is sending the UK a Christmas tree every year for liberating them from fascism.
The UK also liberated Denmark btw.and later liberated Bornholm from the Russians..
Richer cos they have, what? $14 trillion of debt or something stupid.
Fucking clowns
I would never willingly move to the us
The Norwegian central government is in a net asset position, i.e. the government’s total financial assets exceed the total debt. They borrow cheap to then re-invest.
Read more at: https://commodity.com/data/norway/debt-clock/
WASHINGTON, DC – Today, the Joint Economic Committee released its Monthly Fiscal Update. In November, the federal government ran a deficit of $173.277 billion. From the beginning of the fiscal year to November, deficits were $457.627 billion. This means 38.20 percent of outlays in FY2026 were not paid for by revenues, and for every dollar the federal government received in revenue, it spent $1.62.
and something, something freedom...
Wow.
I mean we've seen this line of argument countless times here, but THIS guy picked literally the worst possible example with "Norway".
Is there ANY country (of decent size) in the world that has a higher GDP, higher income level, more freedom and is generally "richer" than norway?
One might excuse if I donÄt have the numbers at hand, but I feel this is the dumbest example of a dumb american ever.
We're occasionally beat on individual rankings by Finland, Switzerland and so on, but we were top of the HDI index for 20 years (now second iirc), we're at the top of one or more democracy indices, I think we're at the top of the press freedom index and so on and so forth.
The ironic part is that many things are kind of bad in Norway, so really it's the rest of the world that is too fucked up rather than us being some kind of shining light of utopian society.
Seems quite poor to be talking this way.
Just shows how stupid and ignorant of reality some usa citezens are.
Sorry, I thought the USA was the only country to have freedom. Get your story straight
Silly Europeans, you people don't even have electricity over there /s
Fuel up your own warships then!
*than
Should look up median income vs GDP
JFC.
This is a real beauty. Norway could buy the US 10 times over with the loose change in their Sovereign Wealth Fund. They don't because they use the money to improve the lives of their citizens.
Individually, I'd dare say Norwegians live better than Americans
Ah yes the country with the richest general population is worse off than the general poverty of the USA…. Fucking brain dead….
I’m a Norwegian. I did move, for 5 years. It was the absolute worst experience in my life. The work ethic was beyond horrible and so much more
Oh, please don’t try to educate Americans. There are smart ones that already know. They get it.
Let the other ones be alone in their delusions that everyone wants to be them & live there.
It makes for less sparring.
"....er...well, some of us richer anyway. And I'm going to make sure these people keep getting richer, no matter how many of my fellow citizens I have to hurt! USA! USA!" :P
This person sounds like an actual teenager lol
Omg no, you shut up, Amanda.
Norway has more money per capita than the US.
As if that even matters, Norways is richer in most ways that matter for it's citizens.
US annual GDP was about $30 trillion, it's going to be less fo 2025 unless they fudge the numbers or not release them at all. Debt is up to $38+ trillion, so the net figure is -$8 TRILLION DOLLARS.. Is America really the biggest and richest country in the world, when it has such a huge deficit.
Discuss..
to seppos,what part of your countrys riches do you actually get,
Norwegian here. My wife is from Viet Nam. When she has visited the US, they look stunned after asking her if she would like to move to the US. Her fast reply is never ever. She often gets this question from Latin American immigrants there.
"We are richer" he says, as if any of that wealth is his.
An ignorant MAGA hat that Trump hasn’t fired yet?
Could be 🤔 could be.
"Then Norway"? So he's putting Norway in 2nd place.
Norway, the country with a sovereign wealth fund big enough to buy the entire US.
Is we in the room with us?