It's cracking me up that you have that one country where giving away your DNA data will absolutely fuck you over, and they're somehow convinced it's the one thing that can make up for a culture in spite of every single other country involved repeatedly reminding them this doesn't mean shit.
It's quite common in the South, where there is a long and sordid tradition of promoting "the supremacy of the unconquered and unconquerable Saxon race", in the words of one of their leading post-Civil War politicians.
The only ones who do like the idea of being "Anglo Saxon", even though as an ethnicity it is a myth peddled by and for race supremacists ashamed of the fact that even before 1066 and the Norman Invasion the "English" were a mongrel mish mash of different groups with little solid 100% "pure" racial identity or makeup.
And the same goes for every other race. The only time it matters is when people want to discount a thousand years of identity at least so they can replace us. Fuck off
Yeah that was pretty similar to mine. I tried building a family tree but it ended up looking like a very close family (luckily a few hundred years ago but still)
This is just the "One Drop Law" approached from the other side. Instead of "One Drop" meaning you are black and must ride at the back of the bus it is "One Drop" makes you "pure" (Insert Desired European Ethnicity Here). "English" is usually used by some closeted white supremacist to claim to be both more "pure" English than people from England (Americans obsession with always being the "best" of anything won't let them be less "English" than people from England), and "Anglo Saxon" (even though such an ethnicity never existed and was an invention of race supremacists in denial that most people in the British Isles were mongrels even before the Norman Invasion in 1066, and have only gotten more mongrel in the near 1000 years since).
Let me guess, by 'average Englishman' they actually mean people born and raised in England, with an English accent, English sense of humour, who recognises all English cultural references just like every other English person - but who just happens to not have white skin because their parents came to England from somewhere else before they were born?
That’s how I read it. Many Americans believe England has been taken over by Middle Eastern refugees.
My husband is from England and we live in the US. Our neighbor asked him what it was like “with all the Muslims” taking over the country. The anti-immigrant rhetoric is strong here.
I don't know how exactly these do it, and it won't be anything like accurate. But there was a study done on the DNA of people whose four grandparents who'd been born within 50 miles of each other (a proper published one by scientists with blood samples, not trawling a database of saliva samples).
There were distinct differences, but not really in the regions they're giving there. There's this massive chunk of the east from the south coast to up around York that's pretty much the same. NE England is pretty distinct and closer to Scotland, same for Cumbria. Then Devon and Cornwall each have their own little gene pools (make of that what you will, Norfolk getting off the hook here), different ones in Wales and Scotland and so on. But most of England is pretty boring and similar.
Long story but I've done one (nothing to do with spurious location data), looked at some of the subs for these tests and mother of God. Insane people.
I wouldn't really think so. I imagine a large portion of it is just random or based on something that could apply anywhere but they have specifically noted it as being from the East Midlands for whatever reason.
The sentence on that ancestry post makes no sense. And how is it a trend lately to type out a statement and then put a question mark at the end? It's still not a question when someone does that
To be fair, they've played this larp since 1800s. That's why they were called "southern aristocracy" because they modeled their hierarchy and society after British landed gentry, like Cavaliers and were obsessed with modern notions of chivalry.
They also had nasty classist attitude towards northern industrialized cousins and didn't like how they mixed themselves with those 1st gen immigrants.
To keep those percentages of heritage from an old continent today, I assume that after at least four generations, it means you are a child of cousins, which were children of siblings who were children of cousins
what matters is how close the relatives were. siblings is bad. 1st cousins is less bad, but still risky (and VERY BAD if its double first cousins). 2nd cousins are unlikely to cause defects, but the risk is higher than in unrelated people. 3rd cousins is pretty much fine, no extra risk.
But…England was Celtic. Why are they differentiated? And “Celtic” isn’t a monolith. The Celts spoke related languages and had shared culture, but would be distinct as a people. The ancient Irish would have little in common with people from ancient Brittany who would have little in common with Galician Celts. Real arbitrary distinction there.
Edit: Not sure who’s butthurt over what I said, but I’m not wrong lmao
It baffles me how much americans are obsessed with ethnicity and ancestry. I think some of them suffer deeply from cultural hollowness and non belonging sentiment.
What do you expect. We founded America!! And no, not more English than an average English man. We aren't diluted by being 'American' We are English through and through.
South Eastern England + NW Europe = French, bad luck
Or worse, Belgian
Belgium isn't real. That's why its only famous people are Poirot and Tintin.
It is, but it's a short cut for Germany to get into France, with a trip wire that alerts the UK.
Belgium is just France with a fake mustache
Belgium is just 3 geese in a trench coat
And Plastic Bertrand. And a certain F1 driver who likes to think he's Dutch
don't swear. #hhgttg
No, it’s Marc Dutroux.
Dont let Jean Claude Van Damme read this, you know how he gets
It was invented so England and Germany would have a field to settle their differences
Who's been making all that "Belgian" beer I've been enjoying all these years? I feel so cheated.
Have you ever seen TinTin and Poirot together in the same room?
And Max Verstappen is Dutch
Belgium was invented so that Germany and France would have somewhere to do all their wars.
And the English could laugh at their continental wars.
/and they really hate the dutch, too...
//merçi, dank u, lord palmerston
He already said French. No need to specify the region.
Belgish*
Or in other words, Norman ancestry.
It's cracking me up that you have that one country where giving away your DNA data will absolutely fuck you over, and they're somehow convinced it's the one thing that can make up for a culture in spite of every single other country involved repeatedly reminding them this doesn't mean shit.
The difference between yoghurt and the US.
Yoghurt can develop a culture
or as they spell it, yogurt
The word is 'misspell'.
Orherwise, we must separate those syllables between the consonants, and poor little 'o' doesn't get to say her name: yawg - hert.
This is absolutely embarrassing
I have a feeling he'll tell people he's Scottish though
Obviously Viking and likes to sail close to the wind
Scaaatch
An American admitting English ancestry... what are the other signs of the apocalypse again?
I'm yet to see a "North East English" American, when that day come it truly will be end times
Haway man
Gannae be canny, like
Fog on the Tyne, oh mine oh mine.
It's quite common in the South, where there is a long and sordid tradition of promoting "the supremacy of the unconquered and unconquerable Saxon race", in the words of one of their leading post-Civil War politicians.
The only ones who do like the idea of being "Anglo Saxon", even though as an ethnicity it is a myth peddled by and for race supremacists ashamed of the fact that even before 1066 and the Norman Invasion the "English" were a mongrel mish mash of different groups with little solid 100% "pure" racial identity or makeup.
And the same goes for every other race. The only time it matters is when people want to discount a thousand years of identity at least so they can replace us. Fuck off
Those subs just keep on giving.
Racial biology at its finest.
Nope. Husband has 100% East Midlands. His family were not ambitious.
I mean, that's likely to mean a lot of the branches on the family tree were actually just the trunk...
I laughed way too much at this comment, thanks
Yeah that was pretty similar to mine. I tried building a family tree but it ended up looking like a very close family (luckily a few hundred years ago but still)
Not that it matters in the slightest, but that could be read as 11% English ancestry......and a Brummy
I'm half Brummie and sitting there going "No! I'm a YamYam!" while sobbing pathetically into my orange chips.
I’m dying at 5% brummie
I swear ancestry DNA is just designed to take money off people.
and you would be right
It is also owned by mormons and they use it to baptise the dead whats kinda insane
How strange that an American might have British DNA. However did that happen?!!! Sarcasm BTW. Which he'll understand with all that Britishness!
The average "Englishman" would be 100% English though? Not genetically, but culturally and, you know, due to actually living in England.
You'd think. But that would mean these types would be 100% American, which seems anathema to them.
Obviously. "I can't be all American, I was just born there and have never left... but that doesn't mean anything!"
This is just the "One Drop Law" approached from the other side. Instead of "One Drop" meaning you are black and must ride at the back of the bus it is "One Drop" makes you "pure" (Insert Desired European Ethnicity Here). "English" is usually used by some closeted white supremacist to claim to be both more "pure" English than people from England (Americans obsession with always being the "best" of anything won't let them be less "English" than people from England), and "Anglo Saxon" (even though such an ethnicity never existed and was an invention of race supremacists in denial that most people in the British Isles were mongrels even before the Norman Invasion in 1066, and have only gotten more mongrel in the near 1000 years since).
Eh well, mongrel is preferable to inbred.
A shockingly high number of Americans seem to be completely happy giving away their DNA to random companies.
They seem to be okay with giving up anything to a random company
Let me guess, by 'average Englishman' they actually mean people born and raised in England, with an English accent, English sense of humour, who recognises all English cultural references just like every other English person - but who just happens to not have white skin because their parents came to England from somewhere else before they were born?
Oooooh, is that racism?😬 Because it sounds pretty sus…
That’s how I read it. Many Americans believe England has been taken over by Middle Eastern refugees.
My husband is from England and we live in the US. Our neighbor asked him what it was like “with all the Muslims” taking over the country. The anti-immigrant rhetoric is strong here.
That much "Southeastern England" in a guy from the South of the USA?
Kind of proves the old saying about incest in the deep south.
These colonials really don’t understand, do they?
My ancestry results tell me I’m 98% from the north west of England. And 2% French.
To be honest, being inbred (even with some tiny French in there) isn’t a flex.
Always found DNA test like this weird. How do they get as specific as "east midlands"? Does the east Midlands have a specific genetic make-up?
I don't know how exactly these do it, and it won't be anything like accurate. But there was a study done on the DNA of people whose four grandparents who'd been born within 50 miles of each other (a proper published one by scientists with blood samples, not trawling a database of saliva samples).
There were distinct differences, but not really in the regions they're giving there. There's this massive chunk of the east from the south coast to up around York that's pretty much the same. NE England is pretty distinct and closer to Scotland, same for Cumbria. Then Devon and Cornwall each have their own little gene pools (make of that what you will, Norfolk getting off the hook here), different ones in Wales and Scotland and so on. But most of England is pretty boring and similar.
Long story but I've done one (nothing to do with spurious location data), looked at some of the subs for these tests and mother of God. Insane people.
They make it up
Sounds about right
I wouldn't really think so. I imagine a large portion of it is just random or based on something that could apply anywhere but they have specifically noted it as being from the East Midlands for whatever reason.
5% Brummie@
Eel be ateing faggots n pays wi arr kidd
a Southern American WHO demonstrates he does not understand basic English grammar
Or maths - he’s 51% English, not more English than 50% of English people!
For King and Country then, eh?
Norway he is more English than the average Englishman
How to be an Englishman: be from England
That's literally the only criteria
Man is optional
Sassenach !!!
I think he might be European.
The sentence on that ancestry post makes no sense. And how is it a trend lately to type out a statement and then put a question mark at the end? It's still not a question when someone does that
Even Queen Victoria was half German and married a German.
Ironically southern american here isn’t south america
Its southern states
To be fair, they've played this larp since 1800s. That's why they were called "southern aristocracy" because they modeled their hierarchy and society after British landed gentry, like Cavaliers and were obsessed with modern notions of chivalry.
They also had nasty classist attitude towards northern industrialized cousins and didn't like how they mixed themselves with those 1st gen immigrants.
If you're more English than the average Englishman, then where is your passport?
Must be bonie blue. Has 50% of Englishman inside of her.
If those stats are true, it means they are inbred
To keep those percentages of heritage from an old continent today, I assume that after at least four generations, it means you are a child of cousins, which were children of siblings who were children of cousins
literally everyone is inbred technically.
what matters is how close the relatives were. siblings is bad. 1st cousins is less bad, but still risky (and VERY BAD if its double first cousins). 2nd cousins are unlikely to cause defects, but the risk is higher than in unrelated people. 3rd cousins is pretty much fine, no extra risk.
sure, but these are clearly 1st cousins at best
Did they move to shelbyville?
they said "southern american" and well, some regions of the south do have a stereotype for being inbred
But…England was Celtic. Why are they differentiated? And “Celtic” isn’t a monolith. The Celts spoke related languages and had shared culture, but would be distinct as a people. The ancient Irish would have little in common with people from ancient Brittany who would have little in common with Galician Celts. Real arbitrary distinction there.
Edit: Not sure who’s butthurt over what I said, but I’m not wrong lmao
What an insane claim.
Dont show this to ICE
She does say, in a later comment, that it was "mostly a joke".
Isn't the average English person only actually 30-50% Anglo-Saxon my actual ancestry?
Well he’s more English than this Englishman, I’m 75% Dutch.
He's more likely to be French/Belgian
2% Nordic I can already smell the "I'm part viking" phrases
You forgot about grandpa William Wallace and uncle Robert the Bruce
I feel like they're the only people stupid enough to send their DNA willingly to a random testing lab
It baffles me how much americans are obsessed with ethnicity and ancestry. I think some of them suffer deeply from cultural hollowness and non belonging sentiment.
Jokes on this American my ancestors never went further south than Cornwall.
What do you expect. We founded America!! And no, not more English than an average English man. We aren't diluted by being 'American' We are English through and through.
“Well, in America, they haven’t used it for years.”
As someone from central Scotland, we don't claim him either
If you are a English American, I think God just hates you
What?
Maybe consider these DNA tests that Americans take really aren't for your approval?