Dual citizen by default (mom was born in the USA) here! I was living in the states in my late 20s and got unexpectedly sick. Despite having insurance, medical bills skyrocketed and so I moved home to Canada because of the advantages of the Canadian healthcare system. Is our system perfect here? No. But do I prefer living in a society where healthcare is not a market commodity? Absolutely. Not only did it help keep me alive when I needed it, it’s a daily reassurance that there are still at least some safeguards up here against the nightmares of late stage capitalism. When I lived down south I always felt like my next step could lead me to falling off a cliff. In Canada I feel like if I fall there’s a net here to catch me and I’m happy to pay my taxes to provide my fellow citizens with the same net that’s available to me.
Thank you for the comment about happy to pay your taxes. When people bitch about paying taxes I politely suggest that it’s a responsibility and this responsibility ensures that we can take care of each other.
It's the price of living in a functioning civilised society. The US taxpayer gets a bad deal with their healthcare costs as the government gets a bad deal from the private healthcare providers. I don't think most USAians can see past the profiteering to a different system where tax dollars are used efficiently.
Most people don't realise that they take far more out of the tax system than they pay in. And the older and sicker you get the more you take out. This does not include how you contribute to building wealth for others through mortgages rent work spending...which is where the rich people taxes come in, it should be seen as recognition, or investment to educate and keep the workforce healthy and productive which makes society stronger. Hoarding makes no society richer
Some of my fellow Americans feel like they have no responsibility to help others. Sometimes it feels like they'd prefer Anarcho-Capitalism despite Ancaps being more open minded than the fellow Americans I am referring to. Thats my experience anyway.
A fundamental difference between Canadians and Americans is their views of income tax. My American friends can't believe I pay nearly 50% marginal income tax rate and then they're stuck paying a big chunk of the difference in our rates in health insurance. The fact that you need to pay to potentially be denied coverage for chronic conditions is a no go for me.
Did you see the post about the lady in the states confronting her senator saying her health insurance is going to be 70k a year so she will have to cancel it even though she has cancer so she will die because she can't afford the treatment?
The problem with these people is that they don't know they're being kept in the dark. They get continual messaging that the US is the best there is dagnabit, so they keep fighting any other information.
I think the ultimate problem is that 1) America is so good at propaganda about how America is the best in every way, and 2) Americans are so unlikely to question the propaganda or go anywhere else to see how untrue the propaganda is.
I think the additional problem is the confidence. Americans are very confident people-- and this can be charming, great. But they are also incredibly confident even when they have absolutely no knowledge- or worse, inaccurate knowledge-- about what they're talking about. They WANT to be kept in the dark because 1) propaganda works, and 2) it makes them feel good. It makes them feel good to think America is the best country in the world, has the best of *everything*, so they never WANT to question it.
There are hundreds of thousands of books that contradict the things Americans believe in their own local libraries. You can show them statistic after statistic about how queer people-- especially trans people-- are far more likely to be the victims of crime than the perpetrators. Doesn't matter, they want them out. You can show statistic after statistic of how rigged the justice system is against POC people. Doesn't matter, they want POC in legal slavery (prison) anyway. You can show evidence after evidence for quality of life questions from other countries compared to America, and they will still insist that the numbers are made up. You can show proof of how immigrants are actually great to keep the country running, how much the world is suffering from climate change, etc etc-- nope. they will refuse to believe it because it is fact.
You can show these people video evidence contradicting everything they believe-- and not only will they continue to believe the wrong thing, they will believe it HARDER-- because clearly, you wouldn't be trying to prove it to them if it were real.
But no-- when Americans "know" something, whether it's true or false, they will argue until the day they die that they KNOW it.
When you put these three things together, it's really not difficult to see how this is actually the centre of most problems in America. Americans end up swallowing that propaganda, but eventually, they do all the hard work of the propaganda for themselves, believing with ultimate confidence that what they believe is true because they believe it.
I agree with what you're saying. What I was trying to describe is the mechanism that powers it. USians unfortunately do refuse to verify their opinions, that's true. And, we have a severe streak of anti-knowledge and anti-science mental masturbation here, too. Conspiracy theorists abound by the sackful, and anything that is factual they sincerely believe they can effectively oppose by saying "Nuh Uh!" with nothing else to back it up. Ultimately with them I think it's egotism more than anything else.
My son's pediatric dentist in Indonesia has better communication skills than the pediatric dentists I've seen in Houston.
Houston dentists: oops, kid crying because he's afraid, i can't continue. Kid must do full anesthesia if you want his cavities filled. Oh btw, laughing gas not covered by insurance so pay up $500 <-- all 3 dentists that we visited does this.
Indonesian dentist: talks to the kid, encourages him that its fine. all 3 cavities filled in an hour. $180
Houston dentists: oops, kid crying because he's afraid, i can't continue. Kid must do full anesthesia if you want his cavities filled. Oh btw, laughing gas not covered by insurance so pay up $500 <-- all 3 dentists that we visited does this.
That is so needlessly dangerous.
Full anaesthesia (especially on children) should be a last resort and only involved if you're actually cutting into something.
Even when done properly, under the supervision of a decent anaesthetist, there are risks. Not least of which is an allergic reaction to the anaesthetic used.
And they wanted to do it for filling cavities?! That shouldn't even be local anaesthetic.
I know. My mom suffered a third degree burn visiting my sister in the US. Luckily she had great insurance. The hospital and doctors there were excellent but the insurance process was a nightmare and I can only imagine dealing with it for all your care. She was eventually transferred for skin grafts in Canada and talking to US surgeon (who I totally trusted) he told me that he and the Canadian surgeon agreed completely on course of treatment and we would get the exact same care in Canada. When we got there we actually noticed some improvements in care (the Canadian hospital made you scrub, gown, mask and glove before visiting the ward whereas the US hospital do not and this was during the winter and cold season). The Canadian hospital wasn’t as pretty and the food was definitely worse but the care was as good if not better. Most importantly, whether and when my mom got surgery was dependent only on the surgeon’s assessment and not on whether insurance said they would pay for it.
Oh that's not true. You can take something like 16 weeks of maternity leave in the US. It's a legally protected right. Your employer cannot fire you for taking this leave.
Wait, you mean you want to get paid during this maternity leave? Fuck off.
(So in effect, it's zero days of maternity leave.)
And longevity is lower in US than other socially funded models. And US healthcare is twice as expensive as other models. Want proof? Try applying for worldwide expat health insurance, including vs excluding US coverage. Rates speak for themselves.
Medical error/negligence is the third largest killer of americans. They act like the existence of a handful of elite hospitals in a very small number of locations is representative of their entire healthcare system, which is by most standards adequate at best.
It's just another example of how americans swallow propaganda about how everything is the best there, when that's really not the case.
I enjoy the sitcoms where they show the "good expensive" health care, and the "poor person" healthcare. They make fun of it themselves, yet have the gall to call the worst of their healthcare better than the rest of the world's.
I still cannot wrap my head around this idea of a prior authorization. Canadian here, our system in Ontario is underfunded, but you know who decides what care I need? My doctor. I suppose there are evidence-based guidelines that help make those decisions but they do not ask anyone for permission!!!
I’m also Canadian and spent my first year there absolutely baffled by shit like “co-pays,” “open enrolment” and “health savings accounts.” It’s a disgusting, predatory arrangement.
Also, how are your healthcare insurance CEO and shareholders able to afford 3 yachts each?
What's next? You want tax monet to go for social services and infrastructure instead of being used to bailed out big companies for their bad decsions?!
On a related note, I just learned (though Reddit so who knows) that despite being unpopular, HOAs are so prevalent in the US because municipalities don’t want to pay for roads or infrastructure to be built or maintained so that property taxes can be kept low?
Roads?! Why is the common good such a crazy concept?
I have some interest on the topic and can give you some serious answers.
HoA are great way for local government to shift responsibilities and centrilize athorty. Instead of communicating with every house owner, they just contact the HoA. Imagine a maintanence work which will go near 30-60 properties or new law/regulation is implemented that affect all home ownes. Contacting few entities makes it much more optimized in that regard.
Infrastructure is paid by taxes and maintained by local government. Not by HoA.
And many people do not know that road maintainance is more expensive than building new roads, especially for aging infrastructure (light poles, pipes and cables, side walks etc.).
The US suburban spread also makes it even worse as the road which is needed to cover the needs of the houses becomes more per house and thus even more expensive, but taxes cannot be imcreased to match that. HoA pay taxes and are on general treated as a company ny the govenrment, so the government get extra taxes by forcing the companies to be required.
Ok - in fairness, surgeries that have a questionable risk/benefit profile do go to a sort of ethics committee for approval BUT it’s a committee of actual PEER DOCTORS who discuss it together. Nothing like what I’m seeing from the States. And I’ve only had one family member come up to this committee and it was honestly warranted
Some experimental stuff has to be authorized by OHIP. For example, my dad got immunotherapy for lung cancer, instead of chemo/radiation. At the time it was considered to be experimental. The approvals are within minutes though...
Yes, and some incredibly expensive treatments or medications have to be approved by the provincial authority but these are very rare (though that’s no comfort when it’s your loved one). But you’d have a hard time convincing me you’d have a chance of accessing those same treatments with full funding in the US.
Exactly. They asked for a 1 year pre-authorization for $156k for immunotherapy for my dad. OHIP had approved it in under 2 minutes. I can only imagine what it would be in the US.
Ontario as well. The fact that we have to deal with this for Dental/Eyecare, etc is enough for me to realize just how fucked up that situation to be. Wife's insurance plan switched a couple of times, and made things a bit difficult to put the stuff through. But really, for us anyways, the bit of money from dental or massages isn't going to hurt us.
I can't even imagine if it was a real healthcare issue, and my life depended on it. "No, don't call an ambulance, I can't afford that kind of stuff. I'll just uber. No, don't go to that hospital, even though they have the best cardiac department there is, I need to go to an "in network" group over here.
It's mind boggling. I have chronic illness (PCOS/endometriosis, had thyroid cancer) and even navigating the healthcaee system in Canada makes me sweat. But the USA? Literally trying to decipher insurance companies and deciding if the "in network" hospital is okay or not....
And seeing insurance companies deny people coverage because of basic shit? Insanity.
Same here (Belgium). We don't have pre-approving, in and out network and all that crap. Decisions on testing to be done, specialists to consult, medical treatments, ... are considered "matters between patient and physician only"...
Look, if 1 person in a country of 340 million is getting the best healthcare of anyone in the world, then that country has the best healthcare, even if everyone else is dying of preventable illness.
I always understood that the US has the top hospitals in the world at the top, but overall is low. So Cedars Sinai hospital might be one of the best in the world, but the average us hospital is below average around the world. Basically, if you are rich in the us, you have the best hospitals available, if you are poor, it’s much better being almost anywhere else for medical care.
Odd then that study after study rarely has us in the top 20 in the world by most metrics. Although ours is the most expensive per person, by a wide margin.
Who wants to bet this dude has rarely left his home state and certainly never lived in a foreign country and had actual experience of the health care he clearly knows nothing about.
Cuba’s got a surprisingly excellent standard for medical professionals, it’s just that their infrastructure is so shit that their hospitals are constantly running out of supplies that are necessary to treat people.
Right? I live in New Zealand, and our healthcare isn't always great, but at least it's basically free. My grandma had a heart attack in Thailand, and WOW. Just wow. You don't realise how good healthcare can get in other countries sometimes.
they could go bankrupt 100 times over and they still wouldn't be able to afford the actually better healthcare. the kind they go bankrupt for is the same the rest of the western world gets. the top of the line shit that you could argue is better is the kind they'll never be near unless it's because they become a donor for the billionaires that get it.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires," John Steinbeck.
That quote is often attributed to Steinbeck, but it was actually written by Canadian author Ronald Wright.
In his 2004 book "A Short History of Progress", Wright attributed the observation to Steinbeck, but it was more like Wright's paraphrase of an idea found in Steinbeck's 1960 article in Esquire, "A Primer on the '30's": "most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. ... I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians.Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist".
Healthcare only for the rich that let poor people die or be injured for life is not good healthcare, no matter how technologically or technically advanced.
That is part of the problem though: having a concierge yes-man doctor means that you are going to do lots of unnecessary tests and unnecessary treatments because they are only beholden to their patrons who want to live forever, instead of having to practice evidence-based medicine.
Just having more MRI scanners doesn't help if doctors are too afraid of lawsuits to practise evidence-based medicine.
You have my absolute respect mate. My local NHS trust has saved my life on numerous occasions and to this day, provides me services that allow me to live a independant life.
I know how hard you guys work, i know how understaffed you guys can get, yet you guys still manage to provide exceptional care. You guys are heroes and i love you guys for that.
Canadian Healthcare is actually pretty great. In fact some USicans cross the border to Canada to buy medications because it's still way cheaper, even without coverage.
Our infant mortality rate is much lower then theirs, and our life expectancy is higher 78.4 vs 81.7.
My God....as an American, I follow this sub and I trend between bemusement and horror depending on the posts. It can be amusing to think of Americans as complete morons, but for those of you in other countries, please see this as a lesson in what can happen in a heavily propagandized media environment. This isn’t something this person believes because he is inherently stupid. This is what his news sources, owned by billionaires, have told him for decades.
I’m Canadian and live in America. Talking about healthcare with some people is exhausting. Some people would knowingly rather pay 100x more as long as a single penny doesn’t go to helping someone else
Lololol Canada has multiple world-class medical facilities. The current standard of care for STEMIs was developed at the Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary, Alberta. Canada is also one of the world leaders for IBD research. ADDITIONALLY, a lab at the University of Calgary has developed, and is now in the “figure out how to best disseminate this globally” stage of groundbreaking technology for medical research by creating organoids, which are microscopic living human body organs, like the GI tract or the liver or the lungs or the kidneys. This technology is going to absolutely change clinical and pharmaceutical research and development. It will vastly reduce the need for animal research specimens. It is INCREDIBLY exciting. I recently had the opportunity to tour the laboratories and meet the lead researchers who developed the process of creating organoids, and I was absolutely blown the fuck away.
Also, do they truly think that there are not extremely talented doctors in Africa who provide world class care?? Wait, that is a stupid question. They probably think that there aren’t even hospitals in Africa. USians like the one in this post are genuinely shocked when they leave the US (which for the most part, USians like this don’t tend to do) and cities outside the US are modern cities with skyscrapers, tons of traffic, air conditioning, etc. So many USians like this person genuinely think that any location outside of the US is stuck in the 1800s technology/lifestyle wise. It’s utterly ridiculous.
Even the USians who aren’t quite as bad as this one, and who brave the world outside of the US are still extremely US-centric. I remember being in Germany in 2012, my husband and I were on a train going from Stuttgart to Köln and we were seated across from a USian couple. As the train would pass through rural areas, they would always comment on the tractors, repeatedly saying “that’s not a John Deere. You don’t really see John Deere tractors here, it’s so weird” and “I wonder why they don’t use John Deere tractors here?” and “back home you see nothing but John Deere tractors” and on and on and ON. They literally could not comprehend why gigantic USian farm equipment wasn’t the preference in Europe. When not engaging in their lofty tractor critiques, they basically spent the remainder of the train trip comparing Germany (but never actually saying Germany, instead always saying Europe) to the US, and lamenting about how the US just did everything better than Germany, how much they missed the USian way of doing things, etc etc etc.
My husband and I still, 13 years later, talk about how shitty it was to be stuck sitting across from them for 2 hours. We couldn’t just tune them out because they were (of course) just too loud to ignore. And noise cancelling headphones weren’t really widely available yet. So we just had to endure.
Anyway, I went off on a tangent, but holy crap the US exceptionalism is ridiculous.
As a person who used the American healthcare system quite a bit, I don’t think it’s the worst, but it’s not much better to the one in Canada, the UK, or Spain. I have used all three healthcare systems and when considering the cost, the American system is subpar. They overdo tests and with all the charges, even with insurance, it’s unaffordable. You have a deductible that you have to pay before getting any coverage in major procedures, or even basic ones for low cost insurances, you have to pay copayments every time you visit a doctor, do a test, or buy medication, and after you have covered the deductible, you have to pay a percentage, usually 20% in coinsurance, unless you are paying for additional coverage with another company like Aflac that provides supplemental insurance.
Sounds complicated! I just carry a card in my wallet. Came in the mail, free of charge. Present it every time I need health services. Comes in handy as government photo ID, too.
That's top level MAGA delusion right there. Even the Trumpists at my workplace acknowledge that things would be better with a single payer system. Your mileage may vary.
In America, we have amazing healthcare, I'm not gonna lie. If you use it, though, you will be poor and in debt for the rest of your life. Choosing between the awesome healthcare and having food in your car/house...
You know something struck me going to my perfectly normal, mostly free doctor appointments in Australia is the doctors actually ask what’s wrong and not immediately your weight and if you’re pregnant.
Expensive does not equal good. An expensive insulin injection in the USA is the same Insulin injection everywhere else in the world. Any expensive operation in the USA is the same operation elsewhere, any expensive pill in the USA is the same pill everywhere else. An expensive ambulance to get you to hospital in the USA is still an ambulance...sorry I have to stop laughing when I type that.
its funny how completely delusional so many americans seem to be about the canadian healthcare system (probably because of decades of propoganda)
yes it has flaws, and yes sometimes the wait times can be longer, and yes sometimes (if you have the money) it can be faster to fly to the US and get treated there.
Especially when it comes to organ donation, the wait times can be considerably longer than the US depending on where you live, but thats largely a product of us having 1/10th the population (which means organs become available less frequently.) and despite the old adage of "90% of canadians live along the border" (which is itself an over simplification) we are still much more widely dispersed ALONG that border.
if you live in a capital city, your wait times for an organ are only going to be slightly longer than they are in the states, and the reason WHY those wait times are longer... is because we prioritize based on need. if someone only has 6 months to live unless they get new lungs, meanwhile yours will probably hold out for another 2-3 years, the guy with 6 months is getting em first, because its "probable" that another set will come available.
and yes, unfortunately, that does mean that RARELY people do die while waiting for an organ to become available, either because of bad luck, bad location, or because their condition unexpectedly worsened... it sucks, but it happens.
Now you don't really run into that issue in the states, not because of the priority list... but because so many people who need transplants, AREN'T ELIGIBILE FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE... which means sure, you might get an organ slightly faster, but thats because they are letting someone else, someone who might even need it more, just fucking die instead.
Dunno about you, but i'll take my chances waiting if I ever end up in that sittuation.
This is soooo funny! The person who wrote this probably hasn't been outside their state and based this on "Murica, fuck yeah!".
From what I understand, there are huge differences even in hospitals inside cities, let alone states and rural hospitals (If they exist anymore, thanks to Drumpf).
There is absolutely no convincing this person that they are wrong. No matter how many facts, figures, survival rates, life expectancy rates, health care rankings, or anything else we might bring to the table, people who say this are just beyond any form of communication.
Canada consistently ranks above the USA (which is a low bar to pass). Sure, it has its issues, and Canada isn't #1 in most of those lists, but I'd rather be seriously ill in Canada than the USA. Better chance of actually GETTING healthcare, and better chance of survival.
An ITV show in the UK in the 1990s showed the masses with undiagnosed issues. With UK doctors volunteering to fly over like they are a third world country needing charity
I've no doubt that the USA has great health care. Perhaps now's the time to make it availlable and accessible to every citizen. You know: like pretty much every civilised nation does?
That is not wrong at all. USA has the best technology and quality when it comes to healthcare. The Healthcare system and the accessibility of it...that's another story
Free health care is available from State clinics (and if you can't pay, also from hospitals) in South Africa. Like the hospital where the first heart transplant was done. Clinics provide free contraception.
america is the only developed country that does not have universal healthcare (healthcare for all), so in fact, you have terrible healthcare. sad, because all one needs to do is look around to see what works and do it. healthcare is profitable, maybe there's a problem with greed and theft? /s.
The things they tell themselves to help them sleep better and not despair...
US healthcare in terms of which treatments and medications are available and how well the doctors are trained is very good, but the same applies to many other countries in the world, and some are better, depending on the medical specialty. Also, hospital staff in the US are incredibly overworked, which then lowers the quality of care again.
Canadian here My wife had hysterectomy and 2 day hospital stay waited three months for surgery and we paid a grand total of $0.00 I saw someone's quote for the same thing in the US and it was $50k+, I was floored
I mean the healthcare is good in the way of the skills there are.
But it's it's absolutely the worst with the amount of money it cost a person to get something that is vital for them.
That is like boasting about your sealed action figure collection in the display case to a child playing with a battered action figure in the sandbox having the fun of its life, just because you are a miserable fuck and depressed to the core….
People waiting for appointments simply means that the majority of people can afford and actually get healthcare…sure it might not be the hightech cast for 15k but the bone heals in six weeks with annoying stinky plastercast as well, better than having it grow unguided and get crippled because you cannot afford even the „cheap“ option.
I have lived in both the USA and Canada. I lived in a fairly upscale neighborhood in Virginia Beach 30 years ago and a neighbour had a new born with physical disabilities about the same time that my twins were born both with disabilities. We were called back to Canada when the children were 2yo and by then my neighbours had lost their house and were ekeing out a living in a local trailer park. During the storm season, we brought them to our house for respite. We kept in touch for a while - they moved into a parent’s house in upper NY. It was tragic.
My x had an aggressive form of Cancer 15 years ago and we were taken good care of without bankruptcy. Her treatment was successful. Since that time, I have had 4 heart attacks, again, without a medically induced bankruptcy. I was also able to care for my two disabled children and put them through college as well as a single Dad.
I will take the Canadian system
I'm Brazilian, my fahter has diabetes, and my mother is finishing her cancer treatment. If it weren't fot the public health system (SUS), I would be orphaned by now if we had to rely on private healthcare.
American healthcare, on average, is terrible. They only focus on the best parts of American healthcare, when comparing to other countries, because they know the vast majority of the world, heck even the majority of US citizens, will never be able to afford it.
Take what the majority get, even if you avoid bankrupting yourself, American healthcare is awful.
The US healthcare system isn't even top 10 when you look at what it's for and compare "outcomes". Especially worrying is the mortality rate for mothers and/or the child. 22 deaths per 1k cases compared to 5.5 per 1k in the UK (stats for 2022) sure doesn't seem "better" to me.
The 28th of December I was hospitalised with galbladder malfunction. The night of the 29th I was given an MRI. The morning I was moved from the ER to a hospital room. The 31st I got a binocular operation to remove my gallbladder. Was planned for the 30th, and they got someone more acute than me. The evening of the 31st I was able to go home.
Fast, efficient, no side effects, and cost me zero money.
Having lived in both the U.S. and Canada, hahahaha. Wrong.
Dual citizen by default (mom was born in the USA) here! I was living in the states in my late 20s and got unexpectedly sick. Despite having insurance, medical bills skyrocketed and so I moved home to Canada because of the advantages of the Canadian healthcare system. Is our system perfect here? No. But do I prefer living in a society where healthcare is not a market commodity? Absolutely. Not only did it help keep me alive when I needed it, it’s a daily reassurance that there are still at least some safeguards up here against the nightmares of late stage capitalism. When I lived down south I always felt like my next step could lead me to falling off a cliff. In Canada I feel like if I fall there’s a net here to catch me and I’m happy to pay my taxes to provide my fellow citizens with the same net that’s available to me.
Thank you for the comment about happy to pay your taxes. When people bitch about paying taxes I politely suggest that it’s a responsibility and this responsibility ensures that we can take care of each other.
It's the price of living in a functioning civilised society. The US taxpayer gets a bad deal with their healthcare costs as the government gets a bad deal from the private healthcare providers. I don't think most USAians can see past the profiteering to a different system where tax dollars are used efficiently.
Most people don't realise that they take far more out of the tax system than they pay in. And the older and sicker you get the more you take out. This does not include how you contribute to building wealth for others through mortgages rent work spending...which is where the rich people taxes come in, it should be seen as recognition, or investment to educate and keep the workforce healthy and productive which makes society stronger. Hoarding makes no society richer
Some of my fellow Americans feel like they have no responsibility to help others. Sometimes it feels like they'd prefer Anarcho-Capitalism despite Ancaps being more open minded than the fellow Americans I am referring to. Thats my experience anyway.
A fundamental difference between Canadians and Americans is their views of income tax. My American friends can't believe I pay nearly 50% marginal income tax rate and then they're stuck paying a big chunk of the difference in our rates in health insurance. The fact that you need to pay to potentially be denied coverage for chronic conditions is a no go for me.
Did you see the post about the lady in the states confronting her senator saying her health insurance is going to be 70k a year so she will have to cancel it even though she has cancer so she will die because she can't afford the treatment?
Chronic disease and earning 6 figures. I happily pay my taxes.
The lies Americans tell themselves so they can feel superior to the world is just... astounding.
Lying to themselves and believing it. How do you call that?
The problem with these people is that they don't know they're being kept in the dark. They get continual messaging that the US is the best there is dagnabit, so they keep fighting any other information.
I disagree and think that is reductive.
I think the ultimate problem is that 1) America is so good at propaganda about how America is the best in every way, and 2) Americans are so unlikely to question the propaganda or go anywhere else to see how untrue the propaganda is.
I think the additional problem is the confidence. Americans are very confident people-- and this can be charming, great. But they are also incredibly confident even when they have absolutely no knowledge- or worse, inaccurate knowledge-- about what they're talking about. They WANT to be kept in the dark because 1) propaganda works, and 2) it makes them feel good. It makes them feel good to think America is the best country in the world, has the best of *everything*, so they never WANT to question it.
There are hundreds of thousands of books that contradict the things Americans believe in their own local libraries. You can show them statistic after statistic about how queer people-- especially trans people-- are far more likely to be the victims of crime than the perpetrators. Doesn't matter, they want them out. You can show statistic after statistic of how rigged the justice system is against POC people. Doesn't matter, they want POC in legal slavery (prison) anyway. You can show evidence after evidence for quality of life questions from other countries compared to America, and they will still insist that the numbers are made up. You can show proof of how immigrants are actually great to keep the country running, how much the world is suffering from climate change, etc etc-- nope. they will refuse to believe it because it is fact.
You can show these people video evidence contradicting everything they believe-- and not only will they continue to believe the wrong thing, they will believe it HARDER-- because clearly, you wouldn't be trying to prove it to them if it were real.
But no-- when Americans "know" something, whether it's true or false, they will argue until the day they die that they KNOW it.
When you put these three things together, it's really not difficult to see how this is actually the centre of most problems in America. Americans end up swallowing that propaganda, but eventually, they do all the hard work of the propaganda for themselves, believing with ultimate confidence that what they believe is true because they believe it.
I agree with what you're saying. What I was trying to describe is the mechanism that powers it. USians unfortunately do refuse to verify their opinions, that's true. And, we have a severe streak of anti-knowledge and anti-science mental masturbation here, too. Conspiracy theorists abound by the sackful, and anything that is factual they sincerely believe they can effectively oppose by saying "Nuh Uh!" with nothing else to back it up. Ultimately with them I think it's egotism more than anything else.
My son's pediatric dentist in Indonesia has better communication skills than the pediatric dentists I've seen in Houston.
Houston dentists: oops, kid crying because he's afraid, i can't continue. Kid must do full anesthesia if you want his cavities filled. Oh btw, laughing gas not covered by insurance so pay up $500 <-- all 3 dentists that we visited does this.
Indonesian dentist: talks to the kid, encourages him that its fine. all 3 cavities filled in an hour. $180
That is so needlessly dangerous.
Full anaesthesia (especially on children) should be a last resort and only involved if you're actually cutting into something.
Even when done properly, under the supervision of a decent anaesthetist, there are risks. Not least of which is an allergic reaction to the anaesthetic used.
And they wanted to do it for filling cavities?! That shouldn't even be local anaesthetic.
Does that local anesthetic include novocaine? Kids shouldn't be numbed before drilling their teeth?
Life expectancy by country.. Canada #20. USA #55.
That's in its simplistic form without getting into cost versus outcome.
Smiles smugly in Australian
I know. My mom suffered a third degree burn visiting my sister in the US. Luckily she had great insurance. The hospital and doctors there were excellent but the insurance process was a nightmare and I can only imagine dealing with it for all your care. She was eventually transferred for skin grafts in Canada and talking to US surgeon (who I totally trusted) he told me that he and the Canadian surgeon agreed completely on course of treatment and we would get the exact same care in Canada. When we got there we actually noticed some improvements in care (the Canadian hospital made you scrub, gown, mask and glove before visiting the ward whereas the US hospital do not and this was during the winter and cold season). The Canadian hospital wasn’t as pretty and the food was definitely worse but the care was as good if not better. Most importantly, whether and when my mom got surgery was dependent only on the surgeon’s assessment and not on whether insurance said they would pay for it.
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The irony 😅😅😅
The iron(y)
Good healthcare? Maybe?
Affordable healthcare for the common person? Absolutely fucking not.
Maternal mortality rates are higher in the US than other industrialised countries. So I wouldn’t say it’s good.
As I understand it, it’s great for some, good for some, awful for most, and largely non-existent for some.
Which, coincidentally, is the same access scenario as in many developing countries.
Data?
That's partly because they're the only country that gets zero days of maternity leave. Zero!
Oh that's not true. You can take something like 16 weeks of maternity leave in the US. It's a legally protected right. Your employer cannot fire you for taking this leave.
Wait, you mean you want to get paid during this maternity leave? Fuck off.
(So in effect, it's zero days of maternity leave.)
One wonders how those Americans even manage to procreate.
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And longevity is lower in US than other socially funded models. And US healthcare is twice as expensive as other models. Want proof? Try applying for worldwide expat health insurance, including vs excluding US coverage. Rates speak for themselves.
Even travel insurance for the USA is far more expensive than Europe (for Australians) because of the health cover part of it
Medical error/negligence is the third largest killer of americans. They act like the existence of a handful of elite hospitals in a very small number of locations is representative of their entire healthcare system, which is by most standards adequate at best.
It's just another example of how americans swallow propaganda about how everything is the best there, when that's really not the case.
I enjoy the sitcoms where they show the "good expensive" health care, and the "poor person" healthcare. They make fun of it themselves, yet have the gall to call the worst of their healthcare better than the rest of the world's.
It’s the best for healthy people though.
It’s not even good. Your employer sticks you in the Kaiser maze and you get what they give, while paying “co-pays” every time you turn around.
I still cannot wrap my head around this idea of a prior authorization. Canadian here, our system in Ontario is underfunded, but you know who decides what care I need? My doctor. I suppose there are evidence-based guidelines that help make those decisions but they do not ask anyone for permission!!!
I’m also Canadian and spent my first year there absolutely baffled by shit like “co-pays,” “open enrolment” and “health savings accounts.” It’s a disgusting, predatory arrangement.
It’s why Breaking Bad couldn’t be set in any other country in the world.
Why would your doctor know what's best for you?
Insurance agent have the best interest in mind!
Also, how are your healthcare insurance CEO and shareholders able to afford 3 yachts each?
What's next? You want tax monet to go for social services and infrastructure instead of being used to bailed out big companies for their bad decsions?!
On a related note, I just learned (though Reddit so who knows) that despite being unpopular, HOAs are so prevalent in the US because municipalities don’t want to pay for roads or infrastructure to be built or maintained so that property taxes can be kept low?
Roads?! Why is the common good such a crazy concept?
I have some interest on the topic and can give you some serious answers.
HoA are great way for local government to shift responsibilities and centrilize athorty. Instead of communicating with every house owner, they just contact the HoA. Imagine a maintanence work which will go near 30-60 properties or new law/regulation is implemented that affect all home ownes. Contacting few entities makes it much more optimized in that regard.
Infrastructure is paid by taxes and maintained by local government. Not by HoA.
And many people do not know that road maintainance is more expensive than building new roads, especially for aging infrastructure (light poles, pipes and cables, side walks etc.).
The US suburban spread also makes it even worse as the road which is needed to cover the needs of the houses becomes more per house and thus even more expensive, but taxes cannot be imcreased to match that. HoA pay taxes and are on general treated as a company ny the govenrment, so the government get extra taxes by forcing the companies to be required.
Ok - in fairness, surgeries that have a questionable risk/benefit profile do go to a sort of ethics committee for approval BUT it’s a committee of actual PEER DOCTORS who discuss it together. Nothing like what I’m seeing from the States. And I’ve only had one family member come up to this committee and it was honestly warranted
Some experimental stuff has to be authorized by OHIP. For example, my dad got immunotherapy for lung cancer, instead of chemo/radiation. At the time it was considered to be experimental. The approvals are within minutes though...
Yes, and some incredibly expensive treatments or medications have to be approved by the provincial authority but these are very rare (though that’s no comfort when it’s your loved one). But you’d have a hard time convincing me you’d have a chance of accessing those same treatments with full funding in the US.
Exactly. They asked for a 1 year pre-authorization for $156k for immunotherapy for my dad. OHIP had approved it in under 2 minutes. I can only imagine what it would be in the US.
Ontario as well. The fact that we have to deal with this for Dental/Eyecare, etc is enough for me to realize just how fucked up that situation to be. Wife's insurance plan switched a couple of times, and made things a bit difficult to put the stuff through. But really, for us anyways, the bit of money from dental or massages isn't going to hurt us.
I can't even imagine if it was a real healthcare issue, and my life depended on it. "No, don't call an ambulance, I can't afford that kind of stuff. I'll just uber. No, don't go to that hospital, even though they have the best cardiac department there is, I need to go to an "in network" group over here.
It's mind boggling. I have chronic illness (PCOS/endometriosis, had thyroid cancer) and even navigating the healthcaee system in Canada makes me sweat. But the USA? Literally trying to decipher insurance companies and deciding if the "in network" hospital is okay or not....
And seeing insurance companies deny people coverage because of basic shit? Insanity.
Same here (Belgium). We don't have pre-approving, in and out network and all that crap. Decisions on testing to be done, specialists to consult, medical treatments, ... are considered "matters between patient and physician only"...
It is only good for the rich, or those with the best insurance.
You can have healthcare in America if you swear fealty to your corporate overlord...
You can't tell me that Jeff Bezos and the rest of the C-Suite execs wouldn't love to pay their employees in company scrip if they could.
"...Saint Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store"
Look, if 1 person in a country of 340 million is getting the best healthcare of anyone in the world, then that country has the best healthcare, even if everyone else is dying of preventable illness.
/s
That’s the logic
I always understood that the US has the top hospitals in the world at the top, but overall is low. So Cedars Sinai hospital might be one of the best in the world, but the average us hospital is below average around the world. Basically, if you are rich in the us, you have the best hospitals available, if you are poor, it’s much better being almost anywhere else for medical care.
its not even good my man
This is so hilariously wrong and blown out of proportion you would think it was satire
You know, American ignorance goes a long way these days.
you'd think so, but the onion has to close its doors because of the current status of the US
The Onion has been outjerked by America itself
Odd then that study after study rarely has us in the top 20 in the world by most metrics. Although ours is the most expensive per person, by a wide margin.
Who wants to bet this dude has rarely left his home state and certainly never lived in a foreign country and had actual experience of the health care he clearly knows nothing about.
If I remember correctly, Sicko had 911 first responders going to Cuba and getting more care than they’d been able to access in the States.
Cuba’s got a surprisingly excellent standard for medical professionals, it’s just that their infrastructure is so shit that their hospitals are constantly running out of supplies that are necessary to treat people.
Right? I live in New Zealand, and our healthcare isn't always great, but at least it's basically free. My grandma had a heart attack in Thailand, and WOW. Just wow. You don't realise how good healthcare can get in other countries sometimes.
Pity you can't afford to use it without going bankrupt...
they could go bankrupt 100 times over and they still wouldn't be able to afford the actually better healthcare. the kind they go bankrupt for is the same the rest of the western world gets. the top of the line shit that you could argue is better is the kind they'll never be near unless it's because they become a donor for the billionaires that get it.
Poor Americans will always protect the rich because they are led to believe that they might join that group any second now.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires," John Steinbeck.
One of my favourite quotes. Have some popcorn
That quote is often attributed to Steinbeck, but it was actually written by Canadian author Ronald Wright.
In his 2004 book "A Short History of Progress", Wright attributed the observation to Steinbeck, but it was more like Wright's paraphrase of an idea found in Steinbeck's 1960 article in Esquire, "A Primer on the '30's": "most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. ... I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist".
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Hence my flair (updated to take inflation into account).
What those people don't take into account is they're much closer to being homeless than rich.
One sports accident because the opponent timed their tackle wrong and you're done.
Healthcare only for the rich that let poor people die or be injured for life is not good healthcare, no matter how technologically or technically advanced.
Even the rich in the USA get insanely expensive but still second rate healthcare
That I doubt very much. The US has top hospitals and health care.
The rich have problem affording this and the really rich have their own doctors an, in some cases, their own operating rooms.
That is part of the problem though: having a concierge yes-man doctor means that you are going to do lots of unnecessary tests and unnecessary treatments because they are only beholden to their patrons who want to live forever, instead of having to practice evidence-based medicine.
Just having more MRI scanners doesn't help if doctors are too afraid of lawsuits to practise evidence-based medicine.
I work for the NHS, we have issues but are still a top class provider.
You have my absolute respect mate. My local NHS trust has saved my life on numerous occasions and to this day, provides me services that allow me to live a independant life.
I know how hard you guys work, i know how understaffed you guys can get, yet you guys still manage to provide exceptional care. You guys are heroes and i love you guys for that.
Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you for your work. 👍
Canadian Healthcare is actually pretty great. In fact some USicans cross the border to Canada to buy medications because it's still way cheaper, even without coverage.
Our infant mortality rate is much lower then theirs, and our life expectancy is higher 78.4 vs 81.7.
The indoctrination is strong, and most who think like that will never comprehend it.
It’s a case study for repeating something long enough being a viable replacement for reality.
My God....as an American, I follow this sub and I trend between bemusement and horror depending on the posts. It can be amusing to think of Americans as complete morons, but for those of you in other countries, please see this as a lesson in what can happen in a heavily propagandized media environment. This isn’t something this person believes because he is inherently stupid. This is what his news sources, owned by billionaires, have told him for decades.
I’m Canadian and live in America. Talking about healthcare with some people is exhausting. Some people would knowingly rather pay 100x more as long as a single penny doesn’t go to helping someone else
And that’s the system they’ve built.
Lololol Canada has multiple world-class medical facilities. The current standard of care for STEMIs was developed at the Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary, Alberta. Canada is also one of the world leaders for IBD research. ADDITIONALLY, a lab at the University of Calgary has developed, and is now in the “figure out how to best disseminate this globally” stage of groundbreaking technology for medical research by creating organoids, which are microscopic living human body organs, like the GI tract or the liver or the lungs or the kidneys. This technology is going to absolutely change clinical and pharmaceutical research and development. It will vastly reduce the need for animal research specimens. It is INCREDIBLY exciting. I recently had the opportunity to tour the laboratories and meet the lead researchers who developed the process of creating organoids, and I was absolutely blown the fuck away.
Also, do they truly think that there are not extremely talented doctors in Africa who provide world class care?? Wait, that is a stupid question. They probably think that there aren’t even hospitals in Africa. USians like the one in this post are genuinely shocked when they leave the US (which for the most part, USians like this don’t tend to do) and cities outside the US are modern cities with skyscrapers, tons of traffic, air conditioning, etc. So many USians like this person genuinely think that any location outside of the US is stuck in the 1800s technology/lifestyle wise. It’s utterly ridiculous.
Even the USians who aren’t quite as bad as this one, and who brave the world outside of the US are still extremely US-centric. I remember being in Germany in 2012, my husband and I were on a train going from Stuttgart to Köln and we were seated across from a USian couple. As the train would pass through rural areas, they would always comment on the tractors, repeatedly saying “that’s not a John Deere. You don’t really see John Deere tractors here, it’s so weird” and “I wonder why they don’t use John Deere tractors here?” and “back home you see nothing but John Deere tractors” and on and on and ON. They literally could not comprehend why gigantic USian farm equipment wasn’t the preference in Europe. When not engaging in their lofty tractor critiques, they basically spent the remainder of the train trip comparing Germany (but never actually saying Germany, instead always saying Europe) to the US, and lamenting about how the US just did everything better than Germany, how much they missed the USian way of doing things, etc etc etc.
My husband and I still, 13 years later, talk about how shitty it was to be stuck sitting across from them for 2 hours. We couldn’t just tune them out because they were (of course) just too loud to ignore. And noise cancelling headphones weren’t really widely available yet. So we just had to endure.
Anyway, I went off on a tangent, but holy crap the US exceptionalism is ridiculous.
Agreed. Ridiculous. And dangerous
How to say "I have no idea about health care in other countries".....
You are absolutely correct. 'murica is the best at everything!
But we will keep our Canadian healthcare... oh and our higher life expectancy.
STFU!
As a person who used the American healthcare system quite a bit, I don’t think it’s the worst, but it’s not much better to the one in Canada, the UK, or Spain. I have used all three healthcare systems and when considering the cost, the American system is subpar. They overdo tests and with all the charges, even with insurance, it’s unaffordable. You have a deductible that you have to pay before getting any coverage in major procedures, or even basic ones for low cost insurances, you have to pay copayments every time you visit a doctor, do a test, or buy medication, and after you have covered the deductible, you have to pay a percentage, usually 20% in coinsurance, unless you are paying for additional coverage with another company like Aflac that provides supplemental insurance.
Sounds complicated! I just carry a card in my wallet. Came in the mail, free of charge. Present it every time I need health services. Comes in handy as government photo ID, too.
That's top level MAGA delusion right there. Even the Trumpists at my workplace acknowledge that things would be better with a single payer system. Your mileage may vary.
how do they explain so many people in the sojth heading to mexico for healthcare?
America is 11th in healthcare among the top 11 high earning countries globally.
So essentially the complete opposite of this person's belief.
Way to go youre unhealthy and ignorant!
Is this person imagining USA is the only country with hospitals and every other country in the world just have healthcare systems running on bandaids?
Yup. That's why it has the highest rate of maternal mortality for childbirth in the western world.
I prefer my healthcare system to not be based on GoFundMe
In America, we have amazing healthcare, I'm not gonna lie. If you use it, though, you will be poor and in debt for the rest of your life. Choosing between the awesome healthcare and having food in your car/house...
In Canada they have good healthcare, in the USA you can get nearly good healthcare if you can afford it
Other countries also have amazing Healthcare...and people can access it without going into debt.
Ohh that sounds nice 😔
You know something struck me going to my perfectly normal, mostly free doctor appointments in Australia is the doctors actually ask what’s wrong and not immediately your weight and if you’re pregnant.
Really?
Sure, if you're a millionaire it can be true
Expensive does not equal good. An expensive insulin injection in the USA is the same Insulin injection everywhere else in the world. Any expensive operation in the USA is the same operation elsewhere, any expensive pill in the USA is the same pill everywhere else. An expensive ambulance to get you to hospital in the USA is still an ambulance...sorry I have to stop laughing when I type that.
its funny how completely delusional so many americans seem to be about the canadian healthcare system (probably because of decades of propoganda)
yes it has flaws, and yes sometimes the wait times can be longer, and yes sometimes (if you have the money) it can be faster to fly to the US and get treated there.
Especially when it comes to organ donation, the wait times can be considerably longer than the US depending on where you live, but thats largely a product of us having 1/10th the population (which means organs become available less frequently.) and despite the old adage of "90% of canadians live along the border" (which is itself an over simplification) we are still much more widely dispersed ALONG that border.
if you live in a capital city, your wait times for an organ are only going to be slightly longer than they are in the states, and the reason WHY those wait times are longer... is because we prioritize based on need. if someone only has 6 months to live unless they get new lungs, meanwhile yours will probably hold out for another 2-3 years, the guy with 6 months is getting em first, because its "probable" that another set will come available.
and yes, unfortunately, that does mean that RARELY people do die while waiting for an organ to become available, either because of bad luck, bad location, or because their condition unexpectedly worsened... it sucks, but it happens.
Now you don't really run into that issue in the states, not because of the priority list... but because so many people who need transplants, AREN'T ELIGIBILE FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE... which means sure, you might get an organ slightly faster, but thats because they are letting someone else, someone who might even need it more, just fucking die instead.
Dunno about you, but i'll take my chances waiting if I ever end up in that sittuation.
I thought they had healthscare not healthcare. I'd be very afraid to get sick there.
Meanwhile in the UK, the NHS 'socialised healthcare'
Pioneering new treatment reverses incurable blood cancer, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj38ymeyg4mo
Three-year-old Oliver is 'wonderful' after world-first gene therapy, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c8659zndz1lo Oliver travelled from the USA to the UK.
The American obsession with their healthcare being the best illustrates the power of advertising.
The only thing, it’s not affordable for the majority of US citizens!
Poor little creatures. Living in an environment so rich in potential and subjected to the same propaganda as in the worst dictatorships.
If you can afford to pay for the care, sure... Otherwise the statistics would say that the US has like the worst health outcomes of the G7 nations.
Exactly.
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Only in America do you get billed this much for blood tests!
This is soooo funny! The person who wrote this probably hasn't been outside their state and based this on "Murica, fuck yeah!".
From what I understand, there are huge differences even in hospitals inside cities, let alone states and rural hospitals (If they exist anymore, thanks to Drumpf).
Laughs in British
Laughs in Quebecois
There is absolutely no convincing this person that they are wrong. No matter how many facts, figures, survival rates, life expectancy rates, health care rankings, or anything else we might bring to the table, people who say this are just beyond any form of communication.
Canada consistently ranks above the USA (which is a low bar to pass). Sure, it has its issues, and Canada isn't #1 in most of those lists, but I'd rather be seriously ill in Canada than the USA. Better chance of actually GETTING healthcare, and better chance of survival.
I'm pretty sure American physicians are top class. The problem is it's unaffordable.
Must be why America's life expectancy is so high...
I had brain surgery in a Canadian hospital and I’m doing just great.
It's not even in the top 10
Best Healthcare in the World 2025
Spoken like someone who has never left the US
It is well known that US healthcare is poor compared to comparable nations:
How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
Don't get me started about the costs...
Yet they are at the bottm of international comparisons of the top 15 similar countries. A bit of an oxymoron then.
An ITV show in the UK in the 1990s showed the masses with undiagnosed issues. With UK doctors volunteering to fly over like they are a third world country needing charity
So good, it's the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the land of the free.
Laughs in American healthcare worker.
Our system is in complete shambles AND the value of our healthcare (what you get vs what you pay for it) is incredibly bad!
I've no doubt that the USA has great health care. Perhaps now's the time to make it availlable and accessible to every citizen. You know: like pretty much every civilised nation does?
If by health care, you mean 'take this pill'
Is there any reason why they are always repeating themeselves? One sentence, 4x "healthcare" mentioned.
He's not wrong, but only if you're extremely rich.
Dr. House is British, shut up.
Warning: Diehard nationalism may result in complete loss of perspective.
That is not wrong at all. USA has the best technology and quality when it comes to healthcare. The Healthcare system and the accessibility of it...that's another story
Where the hell do these people get these opinions from?
Only if you are super rich
Yet it’s the US with the shorter lifespan more typical of an undeveloped country like those in Africa.
Why is Africa catching strays?
Free health care is available from State clinics (and if you can't pay, also from hospitals) in South Africa. Like the hospital where the first heart transplant was done. Clinics provide free contraception.
Its so great that American Children are having to travel to the UK for groundbreaking genetic therapies.
American health care is good?
Can I have a pint of what they have been drinking?
I thought the one thing Americans WERE self-aware about was that their healthcare system was complete dogshit
america is the only developed country that does not have universal healthcare (healthcare for all), so in fact, you have terrible healthcare. sad, because all one needs to do is look around to see what works and do it. healthcare is profitable, maybe there's a problem with greed and theft? /s.
😂😂
The fact average life expectancy in the US is on the decline, while the rest of the developed world is not, says otherwise.
Than*
That was back in the 80s, darlin'.
Man this sure would be an easy thing to show.
Just look at life expectancy...
Than! Not then!
Amazing healthcare for 1% the rest get fucked
The things they tell themselves to help them sleep better and not despair...
US healthcare in terms of which treatments and medications are available and how well the doctors are trained is very good, but the same applies to many other countries in the world, and some are better, depending on the medical specialty. Also, hospital staff in the US are incredibly overworked, which then lowers the quality of care again.
But who am I even telling this, we all know.
I'm almost convinced that being a good American is very similar to being in a cult!
Do they have special delusional classes, were they all sit and endlessly repeat Merica is the greatest?
Yes, yes they do
Yet a transplant patient from Idaho died recently because the kidney he received, was infected with rabies.
Whatttt
That must be why Americans are the healthiest people on earth, right?
Canadian here My wife had hysterectomy and 2 day hospital stay waited three months for surgery and we paid a grand total of $0.00 I saw someone's quote for the same thing in the US and it was $50k+, I was floored
That's why Canadians have a better life expectancy, and Québécois are the ones with the longest in North America.
I guess that's why a bunch of American doctors and nurses are moving to Canada.. oh that and the abortion situation down there.
Id be so cool if I could afford to try it someday
If you have money
Bubba seems comfortable with daddy selling his sister to Trump to pay his healthcare bills
😄😄😄
Aren’t Canadians lucky to have health care like places that pioneered a lot of modern medicine, like heart transplants? Africa?
Yep. Lil ole us with our first successful heart transplant. I wish we were as great as Seppostan
Not just the heart. South Africa also pioneered and did the first penis transplant in 2015….
Hmm I vaguely recall that I think, now that you mention it.
Of all the American things to say, this is the most American Shit and American can say
The best but not for all?
They made a funny.
have you checked the multiple medical bankruptcies in in your great american healthcare,get a check on reality,you wombat
I mean the healthcare is good in the way of the skills there are. But it's it's absolutely the worst with the amount of money it cost a person to get something that is vital for them.
ooh.. the best you say?
Tell that to the guy who got a rabies infected kidney due to controls and safety being subpar.
Oh.. wait.. you can`t - as american 'great' healthcare caused his death (and probably sends his estate massive bills to add insult to injury)
LOL they are ranked 16th in the world but the expense is astronomical
That is like boasting about your sealed action figure collection in the display case to a child playing with a battered action figure in the sandbox having the fun of its life, just because you are a miserable fuck and depressed to the core….
People waiting for appointments simply means that the majority of people can afford and actually get healthcare…sure it might not be the hightech cast for 15k but the bone heals in six weeks with annoying stinky plastercast as well, better than having it grow unguided and get crippled because you cannot afford even the „cheap“ option.
I have lived in both the USA and Canada. I lived in a fairly upscale neighborhood in Virginia Beach 30 years ago and a neighbour had a new born with physical disabilities about the same time that my twins were born both with disabilities. We were called back to Canada when the children were 2yo and by then my neighbours had lost their house and were ekeing out a living in a local trailer park. During the storm season, we brought them to our house for respite. We kept in touch for a while - they moved into a parent’s house in upper NY. It was tragic. My x had an aggressive form of Cancer 15 years ago and we were taken good care of without bankruptcy. Her treatment was successful. Since that time, I have had 4 heart attacks, again, without a medically induced bankruptcy. I was also able to care for my two disabled children and put them through college as well as a single Dad. I will take the Canadian system
If it’s that great, why are Doctors Without Borders set up in parts of the US?
and to think this one's above average for 'murican standards, they said 'african countriES'
You can be as healthy as you can be but working the rest of your life to pay the bill!
Apparently the poster travels quite a bit: NOT
I'm Brazilian, my fahter has diabetes, and my mother is finishing her cancer treatment. If it weren't fot the public health system (SUS), I would be orphaned by now if we had to rely on private healthcare.
American healthcare, on average, is terrible. They only focus on the best parts of American healthcare, when comparing to other countries, because they know the vast majority of the world, heck even the majority of US citizens, will never be able to afford it.
Take what the majority get, even if you avoid bankrupting yourself, American healthcare is awful.
That’s why Canadian life expectancy is higher. From the crappier healthcare
I've tried American healthcare. It has its perks, but I was largely nonplussed.
Rage bait 0/10
100x?
Huh.
Reality begs to differ.
The US healthcare system isn't even top 10 when you look at what it's for and compare "outcomes". Especially worrying is the mortality rate for mothers and/or the child. 22 deaths per 1k cases compared to 5.5 per 1k in the UK (stats for 2022) sure doesn't seem "better" to me.
America isn't a 1st world country anymore. It's 50 3rd world countries in a trench coat so it can sneak its way into the big boys club.
The 28th of December I was hospitalised with galbladder malfunction. The night of the 29th I was given an MRI. The morning I was moved from the ER to a hospital room. The 31st I got a binocular operation to remove my gallbladder. Was planned for the 30th, and they got someone more acute than me. The evening of the 31st I was able to go home.
Fast, efficient, no side effects, and cost me zero money.