As a reminder, this meme sub is about the American Civil War. We're not here to insult southerners or the American South, but rather to have a laugh at the failed Confederate insurrection and those that chose to represent it.
Yeah Operation Paperclip after the war ended was a gigantic mistake
Edit: for those who don't know, Operation Paperclip was an American military intelligence program that brought Nazis like Werner Von Braun to the US and gave them lives just to progress our physics, space, and medical programs.
Lincoln appeasing the southerners by having a guy with surname that portends bad things for his boss be VP was one of the biggest mistakes in American politics. Hannibal Hamlin arguably would've been one of the best, most understanding presidents of all time. Literally had his life saved by an indigenous medicine woman, was against slavery his entire public life. Perfect guy all around, except that Lincoln's wife hated him for whatever reason (anyone know why? Because he was too cool?)
Lincoln had to worry about his Democratic challenger, Gen. George McClellan and he was fighting the south and it took it's toll on him. He was losing a lot of battles and bringing someone from the South in was also Lincolns hope that the South won't think he was going to burn it to the ground. Lincoln earned 55 percent of the popular vote and won 22 of 25 states in a resounding defeat of McClellan. You also gotta remember Lincoln and Johnson were considered really alike at the time. They both believed heavily in preserving the union, they both didn't have a college education, they both grew up in the South and were from poor backgrounds and were both considered radical for the time. Johnson was also hated by Confederacy just as much as Lincoln was.
Lincoln had to do whatever he could to take steps to pull the country back together. The south literally stood for devide and Lincoln being the opposite to a fault had to show he was really the opposite. The division of the country was starting way before the civil war and Lincoln was just the relief valve. He grew up in a really divided world and so it really shouldn't be a surprise he was willing to do whatever it took to bring things together. Anti slavery as bad as it was, was not the point for Lincoln. Although it certainly was part his goals. The preservation of changing the times and the radical idea of bringing everyone together was the goal. Ending slavery was just a another stone to help get there.
Hence his speech a country divided cannot stand. We either become all of one thing or the other.
His montra of the union was in all that he did. It wasn't just to gain political points with the South.
Woodrow Wilson was a significant contributor to the Lost Cause Myth. He was from the Deep South and was a published Historian before becoming President of the United States and much of his writings were about the Lost Cause Myth.
A world without the Lost Cause Myth means he doesn’t become a prominent historian in his day (if he’s born at all in this theoretical alternate timeline), which means he doesn’t become a politician, which means he does not become President.
He was already born in 1856. We think of him in the 20th Century. So it is easy to forget that he lived through the Civil War and benefited from slavery.
You are asking why a guy born in Virginia in 1856 to a traitor family would not have been president if Reconstruction went properly. I thought it would be fairly obvious.
Goes back further. America was colonized by puritan freakazoids that wanted to build a theocracy because they thought the church of england was too catholic in the north, and by a fucking tobacco company further south. the confluence of calvinist ultra-moralism and corporate plantation control made for a perfect breeding ground for fascism to bloom further down the line as the US industrialized and established a more formalized bourgeois dictatorship. the shit we're in now is the result of our dominant culture being geared explicitly toward obeisance to authority against all reason and the enrichment of the already wealthy.
Well see a very long time ago our leaders decided that at absolute minimum it was acceptable to completely ignore some people’s human rights if it benefits others. And then that kept happening over and over
Uhh, what about carpetbaggers? Not standing behind racists or the confederacy, this post completely misinterprets post civil war America with vindictive vitriol…
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And not stomping out that Nazi trash who tried to get us to side with Germany during WW2. Yes I know that Venn Diagram is a circle.
Yeah Operation Paperclip after the war ended was a gigantic mistake
Edit: for those who don't know, Operation Paperclip was an American military intelligence program that brought Nazis like Werner Von Braun to the US and gave them lives just to progress our physics, space, and medical programs.
Lincoln appeasing the southerners by having a guy with surname that portends bad things for his boss be VP was one of the biggest mistakes in American politics. Hannibal Hamlin arguably would've been one of the best, most understanding presidents of all time. Literally had his life saved by an indigenous medicine woman, was against slavery his entire public life. Perfect guy all around, except that Lincoln's wife hated him for whatever reason (anyone know why? Because he was too cool?)
Lincoln had to worry about his Democratic challenger, Gen. George McClellan and he was fighting the south and it took it's toll on him. He was losing a lot of battles and bringing someone from the South in was also Lincolns hope that the South won't think he was going to burn it to the ground. Lincoln earned 55 percent of the popular vote and won 22 of 25 states in a resounding defeat of McClellan. You also gotta remember Lincoln and Johnson were considered really alike at the time. They both believed heavily in preserving the union, they both didn't have a college education, they both grew up in the South and were from poor backgrounds and were both considered radical for the time. Johnson was also hated by Confederacy just as much as Lincoln was.
Lincoln had to do whatever he could to take steps to pull the country back together. The south literally stood for devide and Lincoln being the opposite to a fault had to show he was really the opposite. The division of the country was starting way before the civil war and Lincoln was just the relief valve. He grew up in a really divided world and so it really shouldn't be a surprise he was willing to do whatever it took to bring things together. Anti slavery as bad as it was, was not the point for Lincoln. Although it certainly was part his goals. The preservation of changing the times and the radical idea of bringing everyone together was the goal. Ending slavery was just a another stone to help get there.
Hence his speech a country divided cannot stand. We either become all of one thing or the other.
His montra of the union was in all that he did. It wasn't just to gain political points with the South.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn85038121/1864-06-16/ed-1/?sp=2&q=abraham+lincoln+andrew+johnson+&r=0.781,0.278,0.238,0.35,0
Atlanta should've just been the first
Sherman stopped too soon.
"Obliterate." I think the word you are looking for is "obliterate."
Yeah, I was going to say she misspelled "destroy" but "obliterate" is so much better. "Liquify" I think adds some pizazz to it.
We also allowed Nazi scientists absolute immunity, we allowed members of Japan's unit 731 absolute immunity... The list is horrific.
I don't think any foreign government will want to Operation Paperclip the ICE thugs. Those creatures can barely read.
Priority should've been on tying more nooses in 1865. Too many slavers were allowed to go home and pretend they weren't traitors who lost a war.
https://preview.redd.it/6bs3iz1c2x7g1.jpeg?width=725&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce125a2d52783e15c8b7cbf93dbb01bce9fcf35b
There shouldn't have been a single survivor. The earth should have been salted.
I appreciate the meme, but it really was Wilson’s fault
Wilson wouldn’t be around had we punished the confederacy.
Please expand on that statement.
Woodrow Wilson was a significant contributor to the Lost Cause Myth. He was from the Deep South and was a published Historian before becoming President of the United States and much of his writings were about the Lost Cause Myth.
A world without the Lost Cause Myth means he doesn’t become a prominent historian in his day (if he’s born at all in this theoretical alternate timeline), which means he doesn’t become a politician, which means he does not become President.
He was already born in 1856. We think of him in the 20th Century. So it is easy to forget that he lived through the Civil War and benefited from slavery.
Ah. Fair.
You are asking why a guy born in Virginia in 1856 to a traitor family would not have been president if Reconstruction went properly. I thought it would be fairly obvious.
I don’t know anything about the racist POS prior to him becoming president.
Nah I blame Henry, Wilson was an asshole and a factor (who is seen way to positive in my country) but the fault is with Henry
They should have hung every single slaveowner.
*hanged
"That's the picture we hung on the wall"
"That's the traitor we hanged in the town square"
An Australian started Fox news and the FCC under Clinton could've prevented this.
Goes back further. America was colonized by puritan freakazoids that wanted to build a theocracy because they thought the church of england was too catholic in the north, and by a fucking tobacco company further south. the confluence of calvinist ultra-moralism and corporate plantation control made for a perfect breeding ground for fascism to bloom further down the line as the US industrialized and established a more formalized bourgeois dictatorship. the shit we're in now is the result of our dominant culture being geared explicitly toward obeisance to authority against all reason and the enrichment of the already wealthy.
This
100%
Based response.
Rightly
Indeed. You tolerate a little rot, and one day you'll find rot is all you have.
Well see a very long time ago our leaders decided that at absolute minimum it was acceptable to completely ignore some people’s human rights if it benefits others. And then that kept happening over and over
Historically very few countries have survived violent rebellion where the instigators did not end up swinging from a rope.
I mean, founding the nation on genocide and slavery was never going to produce a solid foundation.
Uhh, what about carpetbaggers? Not standing behind racists or the confederacy, this post completely misinterprets post civil war America with vindictive vitriol…