As a reminder, this meme sub is about the American Civil War. We're not here to insult southerners or the American South, but rather to have a laugh at the failed Confederate insurrection and those that chose to represent it.
Statues of the President and Commander-in-Chief of the only large-scale separatist rebel faction in our nation’s history are certainly….a choice…. for decorating the US Capitol
Two figures. For example, Hawaii sent King Kamekameha, the first king of Hawaii, and Father Damien of Molokai, a priest famous for administering and aiding a leper colony.
But we have plenty of shithole states who know this is stupid but love the culture.
I visited (not just driven through) Mississippi back in the spring. I took the Blues Highway down to New Orleans and stayed in Clarksdale.
A very historically rich state. Loved Clarksdale especially!! Vicksburg was neat too!
That being said, probably would never live there unless for some reason I had to relocate to Memphis and a Mississippi suburb had a decent place.
Thinking about it, I agree with you. Henson only spent his early childhood in the state though, primarily growing up in the DC area. Henson's work is such a positive force I'd love to see him honored. If not Henson, I'd go with Medgar Evers to honor a civil rights leader.
Medgar for civil rights and Elvis for music ain't a bad choice. BB King would be another good music choice. Muddy, Howlin' Wolf, or Bo would be cool too.
Respectfully, one small bad compromise that seems insignifcant to the thousands that proceeded this one. Never compromise with racists, traitors, or racist traitors if you can help it. It's why were here again.
Especially from the same crowd that supports the guy who brought the freaking Taliban to Camp David to negotiate about the Afghanistan withdrawal... Without the Afghani government.
The same crowd that has deified the man who negotiated for Americans to be held hostage longer so he could win an election against the sitting president.
Speaking of Jefferson Davis: according to family legend, I'm distantly related to him. So if anyone wants to go to Richmond and leave a big greasy Taco Bell shit on his grave, you have my explicit permission.
This was a decision by the State of Virginia and is a purely legislative branch matter. Trump can say whatever he wants. He has no actual power in this situation.
Miller doesn't care about the Confederates either. He just hates people from other countries and people of other ethnicities. I mean they are white and assholes, and that is all well and good with him. But his family was not here during the Civil War, and he has never talked much about it.
He could cut off federal funding to Virginia until they replace the statue. He could release an executive order saying that no statues significant to history are to be removed, with the qualifications for “significant history” singling out confederates. He could call for people to deface the statue until the Capitol removes it.
There’s a lot he can do when no one will hold him accountable.
I personally like that they're outraged. I like that even in their "winning" these miserable, unstable manbabies weep bitter tears. I rest easy knowing no matter how much damage these braying half-wits do, they'll never know inner peace because deep down, these dumb, reactionary animals fear what we already see: that they're nothing without Trump and that they're nothing with Trump.
Folks, it’s spelled capitol when talking about the building where a legislature meets.
Each state contributes two statues to the National Statuary Hall collection in the Capitol. The statues are chosen by the state legislatures and since 2000 states have had the option to replace their statues. The Lee statue had been a part of the collection simply because Virginia wanted it there and when it was first placed in 1909 it caused controversy because there were actual Union vets still serving in Congress and none of them wanted it there. There really isn’t a mechanism in place for Congress to refuse a state statue. Jeff Davis, Alexander Stephens, Zebulon Vance, and Joe Wheeler are confederate statues that are still in the building.
In the Rob Reiner movie Misery James Caan's character gets hobbled by the astounding Kathy Bates' Annie Wilkes.
In this century, American conservatives figuratively re-enacted this scene, on themselves, and with zest and pride, by banging home that slavery and neo-Nazism are kindred to their cause.
Whack. Whack. That's two totally fractured ankles that will hobble them for the remaining term of their natural lives and this is why one must not be casual with one's allegiances.
fucking crazy we had a statue to a literal traitor in the capital to begin with, like even if he wasn't a terrible person pro slavery it's weird to have a guy who hates your govt displayed there, but happy to hear it's out i guess
Lee was one of the most terrible pro-slavery generals. Maybe only Polk was more. Lee’s father in law stipulated that all the slaves had to be manumitted within five years of his death, and Lee tried everything to prevent that from happening.
The Capitol allowed each state to erect two statues of people from their state, whoever they choose. So, of course all the southern states chose traitors.
I really hope for the sake of healing this country and binding up old rifts that they did the only honorable and respectful thing that you can do with a statue of Robert E. Lee...and turned it into part of a public restroom.
As a non-american why the heck was Lee there to begin with? Was it put up before the civil war for his service in Mexico? That's the only reason that makes sense to me. But if so why wasn't it taken dowm in 1861?
“We protest against the placing in said rotunda,” wrote the Kansas GAR in 1903, “or in any other public building or ground, the statue of Robert E. Lee, or any other person who has been disloyal, to the government of the United States and has voluntarily borne arms against her.”
“We declare that this studied attempt of the younger generation of the South is an insult to every loyal person of the nation,” wrote the California and Nevada GAR in 1906. “The building of the monument to Wirz was a crime against humanity and a heinous sin in the sight of Heaven. Now to demand a place in the Capitol for a statue to Robert E. Lee calls us into line to protest and resist the brazen movement. We demand that the fruits of the awful struggle shall not be lost, nor the victory clouded nor dimmed by the craft of politics, which the chivalry and prowess of Lee and his armies could not do in the field.”
“To do this would be to extol the rebel by placing his statue alongside, or even under the same roof with those of Washington, Grant, and Lincoln,” explained the New Hampshire GAR in 1911, “thus saying to the rising generation and to the representatives of foreign countries, ‘See, we Americans commend to the world rebels against our government and we deliberately wish to glorify the doctrines of possession and to destroy years of patriotic teaching by maintaining that it is as honorable to be a traitor as it is to be a patriot.’ Therefore, let it be resolved, that we believe that treason’s uniform in the person of Gen. Robert E. Lee, whose chief claim to honor and fame is that he forsook the government that had educated him from his youth to take a position of the highest rank in the rebel army, and to destroy the very government that he had sworn to defend, shall not be placed upon a pedestal in Statuary Hall.”
😂 No they aren't. He was a brilliant military general and historical figure. BUT he eventually got taken by my grandpop Pres Grant. Who then in a historic move for national unity pardoned most all the confederate military. Stop trying to stir shit up. It helps Nothing. But bc of history, which k-12 is not learning, it could be argued to include both figures.
People always post memes of some guy named...Sabaan? I don't know. They're always posting his hiding spot, but I don't know who he is. Why's he hiding? Who's looking for him? Did they ever find him? If only there were a statue to inform me
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I’ve always appreciated that even if we can’t get them to get rid of Jeff Davis, we got Rosa Parks in there staring daggers at him
Why the fuck is Jeff Davis there at all
Reconstruction failed, that’s why.
Sherman didn't do enough
In all fairness, he ran out of booze.
Statues of the President and Commander-in-Chief of the only large-scale separatist rebel faction in our nation’s history are certainly….a choice…. for decorating the US Capitol
“Remember the closest we came to failing? What a glorious time for us that was!”
Every state gets to pick one significant figure from their past to represent them, and Mississippi is a hellhole.
Two figures. For example, Hawaii sent King Kamekameha, the first king of Hawaii, and Father Damien of Molokai, a priest famous for administering and aiding a leper colony.
But we have plenty of shithole states who know this is stupid but love the culture.
People Mississippi could honor instead.....
I appreciate that this is (loosely) in chronological order. BB is my top choice, Henson is a hard second.
Gd I've enjoyed visiting Mississippi. You'll notice I don't live there though.
I visited (not just driven through) Mississippi back in the spring. I took the Blues Highway down to New Orleans and stayed in Clarksdale.
A very historically rich state. Loved Clarksdale especially!! Vicksburg was neat too!
That being said, probably would never live there unless for some reason I had to relocate to Memphis and a Mississippi suburb had a decent place.
Thinking about it, I agree with you. Henson only spent his early childhood in the state though, primarily growing up in the DC area. Henson's work is such a positive force I'd love to see him honored. If not Henson, I'd go with Medgar Evers to honor a civil rights leader.
Medgar Evers and Elvis would be a pretty cool pair of choices.
I agree!
Medgar for civil rights and Elvis for music ain't a bad choice. BB King would be another good music choice. Muddy, Howlin' Wolf, or Bo would be cool too.
Blame Mississippi for being sore losers
From what I understand a state can nominate any two figures who are
Dead
Deemed important to the state's history.
Mississippi decided Jefferson Davis was their guy alongside James Z. George (another con).
At least he was a congressman. Having Lee there made zero sense.
Because we didn't execute all confederate politicians and generals and exiled all the civilians to the worst part of the Mojave desert
That's a good compromise.
Respectfully, one small bad compromise that seems insignifcant to the thousands that proceeded this one. Never compromise with racists, traitors, or racist traitors if you can help it. It's why were here again.
It is a funny compromise though.
The funniest thing I ever heard was “the US doesn’t negotiate with terrorists”
Especially from the same crowd that supports the guy who brought the freaking Taliban to Camp David to negotiate about the Afghanistan withdrawal... Without the Afghani government.
The same crowd that has deified the man who negotiated for Americans to be held hostage longer so he could win an election against the sitting president.
She’s the only statue in the hall that’s sitting. It’s really cool.
Speaking of Jefferson Davis: according to family legend, I'm distantly related to him. So if anyone wants to go to Richmond and leave a big greasy Taco Bell shit on his grave, you have my explicit permission.
Considering the current administration, I’m shocked that it was installed there at all! How long before chubby cheeto starts rage tweeting?
This was a decision by the State of Virginia and is a purely legislative branch matter. Trump can say whatever he wants. He has no actual power in this situation.
No legal power in this situation. Illegal powers? He’s got tons of those, and who can stop him?
What’s he gonna do, send ICE in with a jackhammer to remove it?
Let’s be serious here. He doesn’t actually care about any of this. Stephen Miller does, and even Mike Johnson thinks he’s a ridiculous pipsqueak.
Miller doesn't care about the Confederates either. He just hates people from other countries and people of other ethnicities. I mean they are white and assholes, and that is all well and good with him. But his family was not here during the Civil War, and he has never talked much about it.
The Confederate fanboy is Hegseth.
He could cut off federal funding to Virginia until they replace the statue. He could release an executive order saying that no statues significant to history are to be removed, with the qualifications for “significant history” singling out confederates. He could call for people to deface the statue until the Capitol removes it.
There’s a lot he can do when no one will hold him accountable.
3.....2.......
"But the democrats were the confederacy!"
Weird then how its the Republicans getting upset over removing statues of literal, dictionary definition, traitors.
https://preview.redd.it/0b3ovosayt7g1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=04cc9efc2acb18f930f4aad087233fec29d411a1
“Then why are you trying so hard to memorialize Democrats?”
I personally like that they're outraged. I like that even in their "winning" these miserable, unstable manbabies weep bitter tears. I rest easy knowing no matter how much damage these braying half-wits do, they'll never know inner peace because deep down, these dumb, reactionary animals fear what we already see: that they're nothing without Trump and that they're nothing with Trump.
No rooM for losers.
Reminder that I've won as many wars as Lee did and lost fewer. Where's my statue?
Folks, it’s spelled capitol when talking about the building where a legislature meets.
Each state contributes two statues to the National Statuary Hall collection in the Capitol. The statues are chosen by the state legislatures and since 2000 states have had the option to replace their statues. The Lee statue had been a part of the collection simply because Virginia wanted it there and when it was first placed in 1909 it caused controversy because there were actual Union vets still serving in Congress and none of them wanted it there. There really isn’t a mechanism in place for Congress to refuse a state statue. Jeff Davis, Alexander Stephens, Zebulon Vance, and Joe Wheeler are confederate statues that are still in the building.
Is Zebulon Vance J. d Vance’s ancestor? I never thought about it before, but it would explain a lot.
Many Trump supporters can F off
MAGA TEARS!
Replacing a symbol of treason with a symbol of civil rights feels like progress. History finally updating its guest list.
Why de fuck did we we even have a Lee statue in the Capitol
Lee was a pussy anyway.
In the Rob Reiner movie Misery James Caan's character gets hobbled by the astounding Kathy Bates' Annie Wilkes.
In this century, American conservatives figuratively re-enacted this scene, on themselves, and with zest and pride, by banging home that slavery and neo-Nazism are kindred to their cause.
Whack. Whack. That's two totally fractured ankles that will hobble them for the remaining term of their natural lives and this is why one must not be casual with one's allegiances.
fucking crazy we had a statue to a literal traitor in the capital to begin with, like even if he wasn't a terrible person pro slavery it's weird to have a guy who hates your govt displayed there, but happy to hear it's out i guess
Lee was one of the most terrible pro-slavery generals. Maybe only Polk was more. Lee’s father in law stipulated that all the slaves had to be manumitted within five years of his death, and Lee tried everything to prevent that from happening.
Thanks for making my day.
why was there a statue of robert e lee at the capital anyway? osama bin laden was more american then robert e lee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Rose_Johns
Shoutout to the Robert Russa Moton Museum in Farmville, VA. If you ever happen to be in the area, it's worth visiting.
There was a Lee statue at the Capitol????
Yes. Virginia had it installed in 1909.
Could have just stopped at "Trump supporters are outraged." Its pretty much their default setting.
Why would there ever be a Robert E. Lee statue in DC? They gonna put Hirohito in Honolulu or Bin Laden in NYC?
I understand (and hate) why there’s confederate traitor monuments south of the Mason Dixon, but DC?
The Capitol allowed each state to erect two statues of people from their state, whoever they choose. So, of course all the southern states chose traitors.
I can't believe we had a statue of the traitor of all traitors in our nations capitol. How disgusting
I really hope for the sake of healing this country and binding up old rifts that they did the only honorable and respectful thing that you can do with a statue of Robert E. Lee...and turned it into part of a public restroom.
As a non-american why the heck was Lee there to begin with? Was it put up before the civil war for his service in Mexico? That's the only reason that makes sense to me. But if so why wasn't it taken dowm in 1861?
Awesome!
Now, let's get Harriet Tubman on the $20, instead of that fucking CRACKER who's on there now.
“We protest against the placing in said rotunda,” wrote the Kansas GAR in 1903, “or in any other public building or ground, the statue of Robert E. Lee, or any other person who has been disloyal, to the government of the United States and has voluntarily borne arms against her.”
“We declare that this studied attempt of the younger generation of the South is an insult to every loyal person of the nation,” wrote the California and Nevada GAR in 1906. “The building of the monument to Wirz was a crime against humanity and a heinous sin in the sight of Heaven. Now to demand a place in the Capitol for a statue to Robert E. Lee calls us into line to protest and resist the brazen movement. We demand that the fruits of the awful struggle shall not be lost, nor the victory clouded nor dimmed by the craft of politics, which the chivalry and prowess of Lee and his armies could not do in the field.”
“To do this would be to extol the rebel by placing his statue alongside, or even under the same roof with those of Washington, Grant, and Lincoln,” explained the New Hampshire GAR in 1911, “thus saying to the rising generation and to the representatives of foreign countries, ‘See, we Americans commend to the world rebels against our government and we deliberately wish to glorify the doctrines of possession and to destroy years of patriotic teaching by maintaining that it is as honorable to be a traitor as it is to be a patriot.’ Therefore, let it be resolved, that we believe that treason’s uniform in the person of Gen. Robert E. Lee, whose chief claim to honor and fame is that he forsook the government that had educated him from his youth to take a position of the highest rank in the rebel army, and to destroy the very government that he had sworn to defend, shall not be placed upon a pedestal in Statuary Hall.”
Wait a second - what would Trump and the Confederacy have in common? 🤔
They both love America SO MUCH?!
/s
American cons complaining about a civil rights icon replacing one of America's most famous racists really does sum it all up.
😂 No they aren't. He was a brilliant military general and historical figure. BUT he eventually got taken by my grandpop Pres Grant. Who then in a historic move for national unity pardoned most all the confederate military. Stop trying to stir shit up. It helps Nothing. But bc of history, which k-12 is not learning, it could be argued to include both figures.
People always post memes of some guy named...Sabaan? I don't know. They're always posting his hiding spot, but I don't know who he is. Why's he hiding? Who's looking for him? Did they ever find him? If only there were a statue to inform me
He was a traitor and piece of shit.
Has no place being honored in this country.