"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations, we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" the sequels kinda ignored this and treated hyperspace as a button you just press to get out of a bad situation or to just kill a big ship.
I mean, ramming at hyperspace speed wouldn't need precise calculations, you would only need to hit, there were no stars or supernovas in between. but yeah, that hyperspace retreat arc is an insult to the concept
Undoes the understood limitations of the technology in cannon is most accurate…but that is what Disney Star Wars is based upon. Kill it if you have too.
I mean, this is the same guy who waited several years and only remembered when Luke was literally dying to tell him "Oh, hey, you should get to Dagobah if you want more training, my old boss lives there!"
I mean not only was he projecting himself light-years away, and needing to be convincing enough to fool Ben and the rest of the First Order, he also spent the last however many years in Exile purposefully trying to sever his connection to The Force.
He did the Force Equivalent of spending 6 years in a Coma then immediately getting up to run a marathon.
Also, while he regained some hope at the end, he had likely been near-suicidal for years. I'm not saying he "lost the will to live", but he didn't seem too concerned with sticking around. He was probably happy to give his life to something meaningful.
Yeah I imagine Jedi who come to peace with their purpose can just vanish into the force without needing to die as a requirement. Hell if they ever want to hire Adam Driver for another project, they could argue you can come back / reincarnate as "crude matter", as Yoda puts it.
not exactly. as far as I know jedi can voluntarily die, basically automatic euthanisia. like yoda did.
however, the body vanishing act can also happen after involuntary acts, like seen in the clone wars comics. I think it happened with oppo rancisis and a master whose name I forgot who went on a mission with tholme
Like, literally. Mark's incredulity is a fundamental misunderstanding of his own character, something he's always been prone to with Luke. This is a moment of sacrifice. Luke knows what will happen. He does it anyway. He watches the twin suns one last time, and passes into the Force. It's not a perfect movie, but it's certainly a perfect moment.
Yeah, as a general rule, take an actor's own perspective on their character with a grain of salt, really. Sometimes, yeah, they understand the character perfectly, but sometimes you get stuff like this, or like how Patrick Stewart thought Picard ought to be an action hero.
I think it's the best performance of Hamill's career. It might be the best performance of an actor in a Star Wars film, and that's even more impressive given he's lived his entire life as the kid who played Luke Skywalker and it wasn't the story he wanted. Personally, I loved how Luke's journey and failure reflected Obi Wan and Yoda's, and not his father's. I'm so happy we got the performance of an older, human character and not a flippy, CGI computer game Jedi.
It's a great film. It's a bit too long, some of the jokes fall flat, but it's easily my go-to after the original trilogy. It's just heartbreaking that so much of the meaning of it is undone in the third one.
Thank you for admitting that, I'm really sick of people treating the movie like an irredeemable trash fire. Admittedly, I'm biased in favor of TLJ, but it's still nice to see a nuanced opinion from a detractor.
I honestly would be interested to see an alternate reality in which RJ directed the whole trilogy. I feel like there was a severe vision clash between the two directors that caused a lot of issues.
Would have been nice to say, whatever you do, don't toss away your lightsaber because it blocks lighting he shoots out of his hands. If Yoda couldn't bother to say that, doubt he had time to talk about Force projection.
These comments assume that Luke didn’t knowingly sacrifice his life performing the projection. I personally believe that he was fully aware that his actions could, if not certainly would, end in his death.
Hell, Kylo even knows that the projection that allowed he and Rey to communicate wasn’t within either of their abilities to survive while performing - he says as much.
Again, Kylo knew that neither he nor Rey were powerful enough to perform their projections. If Kylo knew that the projection could kill, then why wouldn’t Luke know the same?
IMO, the likelihood is high that Luke knew that one of the dangers of projection was death and that the distance/time/intensity/or whatever of the projection he was about to perform could kill him.
That doesn't make sense. Why would any of these characters know force projection would kill them without prior knowledge. It is so face palming. And you're missing my point. From a writing standpoint, if projection was going to kill him anyway, why not just have the real Luke there to sacrifice himself? It's so dumb.
But Kylo did say as much. How did he know? I don’t know. But he did.
Travel takes time - maybe Luke didn’t get moving fast enough. Or maybe he knew that there was a chance that it could kill him, but he thought he might be able to pull it off. Not sure. But if Kylo knew (and he did) then there is no reason to think that Luke did not.
Yo, fr tho, it’s wild how all the OG Jedi just winged it with dangerous Force stuff lol. Like, no manuals, no safety warnings, just “Use the Force” and hope for the best. Makes you wonder if Luke and the others were basically playing with fire without even realizing it. Definitely a gap in training that cost lots of headaches later. Palpatine’s lightning could’ve been way less shocking if they just gave a heads up!
I dislike the last jedi a lot but this was not something I had an issue with. I guess it just made sense that doing something like that would just not end well for you
Obi Wan didn't warn him, the same Obi Wan who vanished before his very eyes just like Yoda did?
What, did Luke think all people just vanish after they die? Just like Owen and Beru? I think it is something powerful Jedi do. Just like Anakin did.
And what do Yoda, Old Ben Kenobi and Luke have in common? They all were in exile and almost completely cut of from the Force until they meet a new hope in someone who takes an apprentice like role in their live. They reconnect to the Force, overdo it and then vanish. I'd say it almost makes sense..
Bruh, honestly I think it’s on purpose that the Jedi texts don’t warn about Palpatine’s lightning. Like, the Sith power is that secret and forbidden that even the Jedi teachings don’t fully cover it. Obi-Wan and Yoda were probably just dealing with what they knew, not every dark trick. So yeah, kinda wild that Luke got blindsided, but maybe it’s a plot thing too lol.
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!
Remember when flyin through hyperspace wasn't like dustin crops?
Who’s Dustin Crops? Is that newest Glup shitto?
"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations, we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" the sequels kinda ignored this and treated hyperspace as a button you just press to get out of a bad situation or to just kill a big ship.
I mean, ramming at hyperspace speed wouldn't need precise calculations, you would only need to hit, there were no stars or supernovas in between. but yeah, that hyperspace retreat arc is an insult to the concept
Undoes the understood limitations of the technology in cannon is most accurate…but that is what Disney Star Wars is based upon. Kill it if you have too.
I mean, this is the same guy who waited several years and only remembered when Luke was literally dying to tell him "Oh, hey, you should get to Dagobah if you want more training, my old boss lives there!"
A lot of things slipped Obi-Wan's mind.
So sad what death sticks can do to a man.
"You dont want to sell me death sticks. Entire systems are still recovering from my last bender."
I mean not only was he projecting himself light-years away, and needing to be convincing enough to fool Ben and the rest of the First Order, he also spent the last however many years in Exile purposefully trying to sever his connection to The Force.
He did the Force Equivalent of spending 6 years in a Coma then immediately getting up to run a marathon.
Also, while he regained some hope at the end, he had likely been near-suicidal for years. I'm not saying he "lost the will to live", but he didn't seem too concerned with sticking around. He was probably happy to give his life to something meaningful.
Also also isn't the vanishing thing Jedi do voluntary?
Like it's something they do just before they die so they become one with The Force in a particular way.
It's not just like dying dying.
I thought that was essentially him saying "I've failed but the galaxy is in good hands. Peace I'm out"
Yeah I imagine Jedi who come to peace with their purpose can just vanish into the force without needing to die as a requirement. Hell if they ever want to hire Adam Driver for another project, they could argue you can come back / reincarnate as "crude matter", as Yoda puts it.
not exactly. as far as I know jedi can voluntarily die, basically automatic euthanisia. like yoda did.
however, the body vanishing act can also happen after involuntary acts, like seen in the clone wars comics. I think it happened with oppo rancisis and a master whose name I forgot who went on a mission with tholme
Actually a perfect analogy
Luke knew it would kill him. He made the sacrifice for his sister
Luke knew. It was even set up earlier in the script...
"You're not doing this... The effort would kill you."
Like, literally. Mark's incredulity is a fundamental misunderstanding of his own character, something he's always been prone to with Luke. This is a moment of sacrifice. Luke knows what will happen. He does it anyway. He watches the twin suns one last time, and passes into the Force. It's not a perfect movie, but it's certainly a perfect moment.
Yeah, as a general rule, take an actor's own perspective on their character with a grain of salt, really. Sometimes, yeah, they understand the character perfectly, but sometimes you get stuff like this, or like how Patrick Stewart thought Picard ought to be an action hero.
I think it's the best performance of Hamill's career. It might be the best performance of an actor in a Star Wars film, and that's even more impressive given he's lived his entire life as the kid who played Luke Skywalker and it wasn't the story he wanted. Personally, I loved how Luke's journey and failure reflected Obi Wan and Yoda's, and not his father's. I'm so happy we got the performance of an older, human character and not a flippy, CGI computer game Jedi.
It's a great film. It's a bit too long, some of the jokes fall flat, but it's easily my go-to after the original trilogy. It's just heartbreaking that so much of the meaning of it is undone in the third one.
It's a little comforting that all corners of star wars opinions end with "it was kind of ruined by what came after"
Well indeed.
I just liked Rey being nobody.
I don't even see it as a moment of sacrifice, honestly.
It's Luke becoming so immersed in the Force than he ascends past the need for a physical body.
As someone who did not like The Last Jedi, I agree that the moment was excellent.
There were elements in the ST I could get behind and probably really have enjoyed. They were just wrapped up in so much of what I didn't enjoy.
Thank you for admitting that, I'm really sick of people treating the movie like an irredeemable trash fire. Admittedly, I'm biased in favor of TLJ, but it's still nice to see a nuanced opinion from a detractor.
I honestly would be interested to see an alternate reality in which RJ directed the whole trilogy. I feel like there was a severe vision clash between the two directors that caused a lot of issues.
RIGHT?!
I wonder if he just didn't know that part of the script that set up that doing this will kill a Force user. He may have only gotten his scenes.
Though the "the effort would kill you" implies there's someone who could do it.
Well, Yoda did warn Luke not to underestimate the Emperor's power in general. Not that he could shoot lightning out of his hands, though.
Would have been nice to say, whatever you do, don't toss away your lightsaber because it blocks lighting he shoots out of his hands. If Yoda couldn't bother to say that, doubt he had time to talk about Force projection.
He probably didn't expect Luke to be dumb enough to throw away his saber. Why would he?
OK, but he didn't die so much as that he used the Force so hard that he became one with it.
Its called fuck around and find out
These comments assume that Luke didn’t knowingly sacrifice his life performing the projection. I personally believe that he was fully aware that his actions could, if not certainly would, end in his death.
Hell, Kylo even knows that the projection that allowed he and Rey to communicate wasn’t within either of their abilities to survive while performing - he says as much.
But why would he know that would kill him, has he died before? Might as well had the real Luke there to sacrifice himself against Ben Solo.
Again, Kylo knew that neither he nor Rey were powerful enough to perform their projections. If Kylo knew that the projection could kill, then why wouldn’t Luke know the same?
IMO, the likelihood is high that Luke knew that one of the dangers of projection was death and that the distance/time/intensity/or whatever of the projection he was about to perform could kill him.
I wonder if he never got blasted a million times and stabbed in the chest if he would have been fine or if like the Matrix, the mind makes it real.
Good questions. I have no idea…..
That doesn't make sense. Why would any of these characters know force projection would kill them without prior knowledge. It is so face palming. And you're missing my point. From a writing standpoint, if projection was going to kill him anyway, why not just have the real Luke there to sacrifice himself? It's so dumb.
But Kylo did say as much. How did he know? I don’t know. But he did.
Travel takes time - maybe Luke didn’t get moving fast enough. Or maybe he knew that there was a chance that it could kill him, but he thought he might be able to pull it off. Not sure. But if Kylo knew (and he did) then there is no reason to think that Luke did not.
Luke never finished his training.... He quit before graduating. Jedi school dropout.
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The warnings come after the spells
Yoda literally said do not underestimate the emperor
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Yo, fr tho, it’s wild how all the OG Jedi just winged it with dangerous Force stuff lol. Like, no manuals, no safety warnings, just “Use the Force” and hope for the best. Makes you wonder if Luke and the others were basically playing with fire without even realizing it. Definitely a gap in training that cost lots of headaches later. Palpatine’s lightning could’ve been way less shocking if they just gave a heads up!
I dislike the last jedi a lot but this was not something I had an issue with. I guess it just made sense that doing something like that would just not end well for you
I also looked at it in a way that if he didn't take a lighsaber to the chest then he might have been OK, but like the Matrix, the mind makes it real.
lol yeah who reads jedi manuals anyway fr
yeah jedi code 101 skip the part where force tricks kill ya
yeah fair but force lightning was more of a surprise party vibe
Obi Wan didn't warn him, the same Obi Wan who vanished before his very eyes just like Yoda did?
What, did Luke think all people just vanish after they die? Just like Owen and Beru? I think it is something powerful Jedi do. Just like Anakin did.
And what do Yoda, Old Ben Kenobi and Luke have in common? They all were in exile and almost completely cut of from the Force until they meet a new hope in someone who takes an apprentice like role in their live. They reconnect to the Force, overdo it and then vanish. I'd say it almost makes sense..
nobody told luke cause they wanted him to learn the hard way
Bruh, honestly I think it’s on purpose that the Jedi texts don’t warn about Palpatine’s lightning. Like, the Sith power is that secret and forbidden that even the Jedi teachings don’t fully cover it. Obi-Wan and Yoda were probably just dealing with what they knew, not every dark trick. So yeah, kinda wild that Luke got blindsided, but maybe it’s a plot thing too lol.
The texts are from a time before the Jedi we know, so they should include a lot of things the Jedi of the prequel era would not have learned.
Lmao yoda forgot the fine print fr
yeah luke deserved a user manual for that force bullshit
He has a whole library but he found the books borning.
Page turners, they were not
lmao jedi handbook clearly needs a disclaimer section
To be fair, Palpatine used his lightning powers to deform himself to look more pitiful to Anakin.