The Sandman: Special Bonus Episode

Final bonus episode drops at 12am Pacific Time, Thursday July 31!

Episode 2.12 Thread

[The Sandman 2.12 Episode Discussion] - Special Bonus Episode: “Death: The High Cost of Living”


The Sandman: Season 2 Volume 2

New episodes incoming at 12am Pacific Time, Thursday July 24!

Episode 2.07 Thread

[The Sandman 2.07 Episode Discussion] - “Time and Night”

Episode 2.08 Thread

[The Sandman 2.08 Episode Discussion] - “Fuel for the Fire”

Episode 2.09 Thread

[The Sandman 2.09 Episode Discussion] - “The Kindly Ones”

Episode 2.10 Thread

[The Sandman 2.10 Episode Discussion] - “Long Live the King”

Episode 2.11 Thread

[The Sandman 2.11 Episode Discussion] - “A Tale of Graceful Ends”

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Vol 1 threads are here: 2.01 Season of Mists | 2.02 The Ruler of Hell | 2.03 More Devils Than Vast Hell Can Hold | 2.04 Brief Lives | 2.05 The Song of Orpheus | 2.06 Family Blood


Also: "I hate Lyta Hall more than anything!!!" Ok. Maybe join one of the thousand posts already talking about this instead of making your own. Also maybe take some time to consider the many different powerful characters and forces that were involved in events, instead of pinning literally everything on one traumatized human woman.

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  • So, I'd never even heard of Tom Sturridge before this show, and I remember thinking, "What a peculiar looking actor" when I first saw him. They cast perfectly because he is so gauntly aligned to the role. I almost want him to star in a The Cure biopic after this. And now I hope to see him in the future in some role that is completely antithetical to Dream.

    There's a compilation of his filmography (even some of his stage performances) on Youtube and he's got some serious range from the excerpts. Even better when you compare his first acting gig as a kid...to, well, him as Dream.

    I think a lot of us have never heard of Tom Sturridge either until he was announced as Dream, I legit thought he was a newcomer and was surprised to find out that he's not only been acting for a long time, he's from an acting family as well (his mom was Taramis) AND is a two-time Tony nominee. But yeah, it's almost as if he's been engineered in a lab all these years for this moment.

    When the casting for the series was first announced I rushed to look up the actors since I wasn't really familiar with any of them. I remember reading about Sturridge and seeing that he was pretty well regarded as a theater actor but had some film roles as well, though nothing I had seen yet. Apparently his 1984 performance was incredibly intense. Sea Wall/A Life (with Jake Gyllenhaal, Tom's monologue is first) audio is available on Audible, I wish there was more of his theater work available to watch! I've seen a few of his films and he really does have great range.

    I can not imagine anyone else pulling off Morpheus like he did, that's such a tricky role. The intensity without being too hammy about it, the subtlety in expressions. The voice. The stillness. There's such a heaviness to his performance, the melancholy in everything and the weight he carries. You really do believe that he's not human but an ethereal being as old as the universe who encompasses every thought and idea and story that has existed and those to come. After watching the very first episode I thought wow, he is somehow almost odd looking yet absolutely beautiful. Just striking. Perfect casting. He seems happy to stick to theater and smaller roles based on what he's done, as Sandman is by far his biggest role but I'd love to see him in a bigger role again! He deserves all the accolades.

    Maybe a big role would draw him if it had the same complexity as being Morpheus. Such a difficult character yet you get the sense that he enjoyed the challenge of getting into Morpheus' head.

    Also great in Pirate Radio

    Agree I would love to see him in more similar roles

    Totally yea but he was brilliant in Sandman.

  • I called in sick.

    I just had a iced coffee.

    I'm here with you all waiting for the drop.

  • I've been a bit caught up in all the stuff we didn't get.

    Ramadan, Emperor Norton, Lady Bast, World's End and oh so many other stories and characters...

    But after watching it all I'm really happy for what we did get (especially A Dream of a Thousand Cats).

    And Sandman has always been a story about stories. And stories are rarely told the same way twice. We just got another version, it's both the Sandman and something else.

    Even more importantly, I'm really glad we got and ending. A story needs a good ending.

    At least Baghdad in a jar appeared in the scene where Dream is looking through other artifacts in his box… that was cute

    Yeah I saw it to, made me smile

    I wanted to jump up so badly and point at it when I saw it aaaaaaaa

    I always felt that the comic had two faces.

    There were the arcs about Morpheus and the ones where he plays a minor role- usually starring very normal humans.

    They went with the stories starring Morpheus because they had to choose. That was the right call but we miss stories they left out.

    I also wish they had populated the Dreaming more

    I'm heart broken that we didn't get Ramadan, World's End or the proper funeral. Maybe I missed it dealing with my dog while watching the episode, but my favorite part of Dream's funeral in the comic was literally everyone in the world being at it and then waking up and saying 'What a weird dream'. It brought the whole Sandman universe together in a very thoughtful way.

  • How do I expect to get through work knowing this is about to drop 😭

    I HAVE TO KNOW ONCE AND FOR ALL WHO WILL BE PLAYING [spoiler]

    Louis, Louis, still whining Louis! Can you believe I’ve put up with that for over 200 years?

    Not exactly a spoiler, but I must amuse myself somehow

  • Thank you to whomever made this series possible.

    Amazing cast, specially Tom Sturridge, beyond acting.

    Sure it had it’s ups and downs, felt too short and rushed, but had incredible moments and it touched me.

    Will watch again.

    🥀 You can be me when I’m gone.

  • Oh this one is FOUL (fowl)

    😭

    I QUIT.

    I'm gone. I hate it here.

    Waiting the last 20 minutes to at least watch ep. 7 is excruciating lol. 

    Back to scrolling Tumblr for now lol. 

    (My God tom has a long neck. )

    what epic battle? lol

    oh god ill miss them :(((

  • 😂 I'm going to be asleep likely by 2am central time when this drops. Boo :(. 

    Not sure yet if I want to stay up and only clock 3 hours of sleep (I'd prefer 4-5 hours of sleep lol)  to at least watch the first episode (I'm dying to see who will play mother night if they included that bit....) or go to sleep soon and wake up at 3am and watch at least 2 episodes before my kids wake up lol. 

    Or just watch on my phone again through the day as I can ...

    Decisions to make here 🤔. 

    Also plex messed with me yesterday and showed time and night ep available to watch but it was alien's Romulus mix up. (I was finishing my rewatch of s2v1 on the big TV lol and was like ohhhh clicks!  I feel like I got Rick rolled by my own Telly; especially when I was emotional lol) 

    Not a parent yet, but I can't help imagining the younger versions of my mom and dad waiting for me to sleep and/or waking up early just to get their quiet times. Hang in there! Let's both enjoy the show as our time permits. After all, time's a b*tch ;)

  • One perk about living Australia: though sometimes we get things late, sometimes we get things early - already watching finale! 👌👌

  • I don't know where to put this and this is just tiny gripe, but it really just about the stories we tell ourselves ,isn't it? Lyta was super antagonistic towards Morpheus because she only seen him as taking away things from her when she wouldn't have her husband the second time and her baby at all if without that iteration of the Dream King in the first place.

    It is. We see this being confirmed when daniel takes over as dream of the endless - he is simply another perspective , another point of view of the same dreams, of the same stories retold countless times

  • I haven’t gotten to the tenth and eleventh episodes yet, but what I do have to say so far is that this is definitely miles above what Volume 1 had to offer. It may not be all perfect, but damn have I been having a good time with the episodes so far.

    The quality and visuals went up for sure, the story however....mehh

    Yeah season 1 had me fascinated by the gritty fairy tale-esque atmosphere and the satisfying morals of each story while in season 2 that feeling was rather occasional. Some stories felt pointless.

    I just can't let go of this and say it's over now. I can watch it a dozen times, though, and I can write music for it and it's time to use my energy on sculpting Dream. (I'm a sculptor for a living, but everything is going to have to wait!)

  • I want to not binge it because I know the is the last of it, I want to take my time and the first episode hit me really hard, full sad wet cat mode. But I’m probably gonna binge it and spend all night sobbing

    Sobbing is opening your heart to something. Itis a good thing.

  • Is that his wife? (Orpheus mother?) also Nada?

    Kinda disappointed Lucifer didn’t attend the funeral

    The parents also lol

    Lucifer's busy playing piano at the Lux lounge... he ain't got time to attend anyone's funeral... especially not someone he disdained.

  • I loved the hell out of this, regardless of how rushed it was. It's a crime we didn't get a full four or five seasons out of this. It's just so wonderfully well done.

  • I've come to realize that while I love the Sandman universe, both the comics and the TV show -- I kind of fucking hate Dream's character in the show, even though he's being portrayed very beautifully by Sturridge.

    Most of the time he's really not an agent, he's always just reacting to the plot happening at him. His entourage is constantly going "what will you do now, my lord?" to which the answer is usually "Mope" or "Go to the waking world to react to the plot, only to come back and sit on my big boy chair to attend some vaguely described duties". And that's the thing, for all his declaration about his duties, they don't really play any part in the plot.

    It's hard to make someone sitting at his desk interesting....

  • Can’t believe I have to wait three hours, i thought it would be up by 12am

  • Oh god I’m not ready 😭

  • That was awesome. inevitably sad, but still awesome.

    I have loved this series 2, Vol1 & Vol2....

  • I personally loved the series however once again (I don't know how many times this has to be said) stop comparing TV adapters with written media counterparts.

    No TV show will ever be able to copy their written counterparts.

    The only limit when using the written word is your imagination.

    Unfortunately when making a TV Show there are a multiple of limits, the biggest being cost.

    If you were to make a piece of Visual Media that was 100 true to the source then you would need multiple series and probably close to a hundred episodes.

    The clue is the name "ADAPTION"

    When it comes to adaption and this has been true for decades, you are always best to treat the two as separate entities.

    Sandman the TV Adaption was brilliant and was true to the heart of the source material.

    To discount it because x character wasn't in, or there should of been more of this character, why didn't they do this story line etc etc is ridiculous.

    Oh another I want to make, before asking a question actually trying watching it without your phone stuck to your face because OMG!!! the amount of questions I have seen can all be answered if you just actually pay attention to what is happening...

    Then we have media literacy.. have people become so unable to piece things together without having to have everything be explained in great detail to them like they are 5 yrs old?

    Just remember, stop expecting adaption to be a carbon copy of the source material, actually pay attention to what is happening and if there is something you don't understand, think it through, it isn't the complicated.

  • Started seeing this girl, she and I watched the first couple episodes and she left so I thought that was all, cool asf that she watched it with me. We’re coming up on season 2 (she’s watching sporadically without me) and she asked for me to wait to watch the bonus episode with her 🥹 I think I’ve fallen in love

  • This is all missing the human touch and emotional side of the comic.

    Kindly Ones is heartbreaking because you spend so much time with Lyta. That one chapter of her raising Daniel and going through the very suspenseful job interview with Lucifer is haunting and the ending shocking, then her slow downfall is so real. All of that is missing.

    Lyta is sitting on a bench and Mad Hettie goes marching right up to her and offers to deliver her right to the furies. I mean I figured they weren't going to have time to show her full descent into madness / the grueling journey that she goes on to find the furies. But this was still a little ridiculous?

    Also Hettie goes right up to her, apologizes for her loss, and says she can take her to punish the person responsible? And then the Kindly Ones spoon feed her the info about Orpheus and goad her into invoking them against Dream? Even though obviously the furies and Hettie all know that Dream did not murder Daniel?

    In the comics, obviously, the furies have a grudge against Dream; Thessaly has a grudge against Dream; and it's heavily implied that Dream set the entire thing up as an elaborate suicide. In the show, none of these things seem to be true? So why did Hettie do this? I know she said "it wasn't personal and she just helps out the Three" - but helps them out by spoonfeeding grieving mothers false information so that they invoke the Three against the wrong person? I just don't get it?

  • Thanks for making discussion threads mods

  • so is Daniel Hall gonna be the last Dream of the Endless? Or is there gonna be someone after him? I didn't read the comics so thank you if someone will answer<3<3<3

    He's the current one, there's no information about whether he'll be replaced. Given that he exists as a version of Dream that has learnt from his experiences and grown, he's less likely to get offed.

    The endless can be killed, but in the 14 billion years the universe has existed only despair and dream have died. The current despair is implied to have sorta been born from desire (like budding, not their child). The OG despair is actually responsible for superman. She talked the god Rao into creating life on an unstable planet so one being could escape its destruction and bear the crushing despair of all of that. She was killed approximately 100,000 years before the story takes place

    oh reallyy, thanks for this!

    When did it reveal that? I’m not doubting you, cuz that sounds right in line with the rest of the lore, but if there’s Endless related issues I haven’t read, I’d love to catch up on them!

    If you're referring to the Despair/Superman stuff, we see the original Despair speaking to Rao in Dream's chapter of Endless Nights.

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    From my memory, the comics make it clear they did have some personal disdain to Morpheus specifically. He's remarked to have 'not helped them against Circe' and that Orpheus had made them cry, which they hated him for. I imagine they'd been hoping he'd spill family blood for centuries

    Does anyone know what he did with Circe?

  • I never got gay couple vibes from Puck and Loki from the graphic novel... was I missing something? Did Gaiman always intend their dynamic to have that layer of subtext and I just missed it all those years ago?

    I did, from the comics, (they were “babysitting” together, but I’m also a gay guy myself, so I could’ve been reader more deeply into it than intended.

  • That was… really good 🥹

  • I feel so empty now that the show is over!😩

    And now my bar is raised so high, I can't enjoy anything else.

  • Anyone else think Odin looks just like Sir Terry Pratchett?

  • Isn't Daniel hall in the comics white? When did he get race swapped?

    I don't think it matters really.

    We definitely know it is another point of view of Dream and Jacob Anderson is a brilliant actor.

    They love doing it

    Who cares, grey worm ftw

  • Is this over now? :(

  • Why Trust Loki with the Task to Bring Daniel? Knowing full well Loki will mess it Up?  Why not Task it to someone else?

  • I just finished the finale and I am left so unsatisfied, here are some things-
    - The Pace - The show is written in a way that it wastes so much screentime on dialogues that are not needed or even conversations, like when delirium comes to visit Dream for the last time, so much dialogue and screentime is wasted in that scene, while your baby is getting burned on fire and no one is stopping it. I literally watched the last 2 -3 episodes on 1.5x speed as there were so many uselessly long conversations without any depth, and they are not even taking the story forward.
    - Storyline - The plot spins its wheels without getting anywhere. Every arc started with promise but fizzled out without resolution. Naula's story and her trying to build an army, or her frustrations with the faeries, no conculsion. Same goes for other storylines like orpheus, lots of struggles and no good outcomes. Even it felt so stupid when destiny opened its book to reveal that it was empty, like gurl you trynna pretend you are a know-it-all when you just build hype for no reason.

    And most of the characters playing god are just useless. It's quite frustrating, like your child is being burned on fire or getting his head cut off and you are just sulking in your palace saying you have too many responsibilities but also leaving the moment you are needed for any of those responsibilities.

    yep. it was bad.

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  • it was so good what was that even

  • I didn't realize that season 2 will connect with the story in season 1. I guess the story of Dream will come into full circle with his redemption. Just finished episode 8. Haha

  • Even though i’m sad that we didn’t get the side stories, i loved what they did with the kindly ones arc, it felt a bit rushed to me in the comics, this version was better paced and i loved the extra material (i’m assuming from the overture?) they have added.

  • Why do we need Daniel to take the role as new dream?  The way i understand it and after some research dream is just an aspect. He can be killed but the entity of dreams can not. So, could this Entity not just create a new dream? 

    Why all of a sudden do we need a Baby or basically a living being to Take om the role? 

    I think it's less "we need" more more "Dream chose".

    Yeah, but does He need to choose? What Happens If He Just dies? Or how was it with despair? Who choose her successor?

    No he didn't need to chose. That was the point of the many destinies.

    By picking Daniel as his successor, binding Loki, and bestowing a boon on Nuala... plus accepting his current incarnation was tired, he he chose. Joanna calls him out for being on a suicide mission.

    I think in part it’s to represent the growth and humanization of Dream, that the aspect becomes someone more connected to the mortal realm. I also think any new Endless would have to have some sort of cosmic fate reason for them to assume the role, but as only 2 Endless have died in the course of the Universe, we can’t really say for sure. Then the running theme of family and duty and responsibility also tie into why Daniel is a good fit for the role. Hope some of that makes sense and helps.

    Late reply, but there's actually tons of different dreams on different planets at the same time. It's never really explained why the earth one dying requires someone to take the mantle

    True, but that is only in the Books and not on the Netflix show so that it might be different.

    If no thought was put into it in the comics, negative thought has been put into the show

  • So, his Sandman now death - and did He Go to some Kind of Afterlife? Or was He reborn as the new Dream + fused with Daniel?

    Sort of both. Dream as a concept cannot die, so someone or something must always have the role of Dream, and so someone aspects carry over. But this is a new version, like an iPhone 16 vs 15 type deal. He’s improved and grown and changed, so the old him (who couldn’t quite handle changing) is no more and the new Dream exists.

  • Can someone kill the fates?  And why could they not kill Sandman and instead attacked the dream realm?

    I think they also cheated their role when they lied to be activated. They basically destroyed the life of a Baby and his mother for their own Goals. Should they be punished too?

    But then they also killed so many innocent beings.

    Kind Off feels Like they Had a Personal Problem with dream

  • Why was Odin not angry at dream for freeing loki?

    Odin already knew at that point that Dream's fate was sealed. So rather than involve himself in the conflict between Dream and the Kindly Ones, which Dream was destined to lose, Odin opted to let it go and return to his own realm with Loki being reimprisoned.

    If Dream's death wasn't already imminent, then it might've been a different story.

  • Who is the old woman who helped start the vengeance against morpheus?

    That was Mad Hettie. She was in season 1, in the episode with present day Johanna Constantine and Dream looking for the pouch of sand. Just a minor character from the comics that is stated to be over 200 years old (a line I always thought was about setting the matter-of-fact, mystical tone of the story; there are demigods and immortals all over, walking among us in plain sight)

  • Excellent Show. The Daniel's actor is spot on. It was a great idea to make him black. Improvement for sure from the old Dream.

  • I would have liked a third season.  If there was more...

    Does anyone know if s2 is the end of the comics or did they just skip to the end ? 

    Did we lose alot ... I've not seen them but I like the show. 

    Yes, season 2 is the end of the comics. That is, the comics would probably have had enough material for three seasons, because a couple of storylines were skipped over, but the end of the show matches the end of the comics. Somewhat.

    The series is 75 issues (plus one special) and the real end is in issue 72, which ends pretty much the same way as season 2 does. The final three issues tie up some loose ends... but they are incorporated in the show, like Hob's chat with Death, or the flashback to Dream and William Shakespeare's final meeting (which is the final issue).

    So what WASN'T in the show?

    Well, there were a number of stories that focused on characters other than Dream, where he was a secondary character. Most of these stories were not adapted. Two longer storylines, A Game of You and World's End were not adapted at all.

    "A Game of You" focuses on Barbie from "The Doll's House" and her life after she divorced Ken, as well as the fantasy-dreamworld we briiefly see in the show, with Martin Tenbones and all that. This storyline was also originally where Wanda showed up; she was Barbie's roommate and probably the most memorable character in that story, which is probably why the show decided to keep her in (the driver in "Brief Lives" was originally named Ruby and was, far as we know, not transgender). The part with Wanda's family burying her under her deadname is from "A Game of You" but in the comic Barbie writes her real name on the tombstone in lipstick, whereas in the show Dream magically changes the name. (I don't think he even met Wanda in the comic.)

    "World's end" is about people from many different worlds gathering at an inn between realities during a "reality storm" (really it was DC's Zero Hour going on at the time, but reading just Sandman it can definitely be read as reality preparing for Dream's upcoming death). To pass the time, they tell each other stories. The Endless have a tendency to show up in these stories.

    And like I said, there are a number of shorter stories and storylines that weren't in the show, like we got to see at least a LITTLE more of what happened when the damned souls escaped Hell.

    There's also Sandman Overture, which is a prelude to the series, which shows exactly what Dream was up to before Roderick Burgess summoned and imprisoned him. The show did adapt two scenes from this storyline; the scenes where Dream visits his parents. (Though the occasion is different, some of the dialogue is the same.)

    I'm in a bit of two minds about them not being in the show. Some of them... I kind of get why they didn't adapt them; they'd be really expensive to produce, or they wouldn't work well on screen.

    I do wish we'd got at least SOME of "A Game of You" though. I mean... frankly the "dream fantasy world" part of that series was underwhelming and disappointing, but the relationship between Barbie and Wanda was fantastic... I think maybe I would have taken one episode there and combined it with the "damned souls escape Hell" plotline, so that Barbia and Wanda got involved in that. Or something. And we could have the Dead Boy Detectives guest starring.

    Oh well. No point lamenting what didn't happen.

  • i dont understand the ending for Season 2 with Colin Morgan. The entire episode doesnt seem very relevant to The Sandman.

    It's actually an adaptation of a spin-off three-issue comic miniseries. "Death: The High Cost of Living." It's not actually part of the Sandman story, but it was hailed as a very good story (and of course starring Death, who's a very popular character), so it's quite understandable that they'd want to adapt it. Think of it as a "bonus special episode".

    Death was so-so. Not great, not terrible. Smiles alot

    Delirium was better. Desire was better.

    That's fair, but when the comic came out Death was the most popular character, bar none. So she got her own spin-off miniseries... well, two, actually. And the first one is considered a classic among the fans. That's why it was adapted.

    Nah I was cringing every time Delirium was onscreen

  • I feel so lost now this is series has ended :( Was so good and I feel like the cast were perfect!

    Anyone any other suggestions similar to the Sandman that can scratch that itch?

    Perhaps the Moon Knight series on Disney ?

    I have watched that and it was really good. Looking forward to the next season!

    As an alternative, I've been reading the children of time trilogy and currently part way through the second book. That's been quite good!

  • Remember when Daniel was having a conversation with the grass guy he said you could reincarnate him but then his death would have been for nothing

  • oof. well that was hot trash. what a let down compared to S1. probably will be downvoted into oblivion but that was not good.

  • Season 2 is jist pure disappointment

  • I feel like a major theme is reversed. 

    The show affirms Morpheus' dedication to following the rules and adhering to duty and responsibility. 

    In the comic his resistance to changing seemed more like his tragic flaw (in the classical sense- a virtue in excess in the wrong circumstances). He could have chosen fir himself but he chose to follow the rules and maintain his duty instead.

    Also, I find that the show was so much clearer in its magic rules and consequences are established up front. I don't think that was always a good thing.

    Things that had been mysteries were revealed up front and the show skips sections of ambiguity. Morpheus is a lot more distant in the comics- even in the stories about him. The show tells us exactly what the consequences for his actions are

  • in general i liked the series, i really digged the chill vibe - they really got that dreamy vibe going. it was kinda relaxing to watch.

    i got lost a bit in plot and characters after all that time, hard to remember the first season. it's a problem in general with these huge breaks between season for all modern short series. too often i caught myself thinking "who was that? i suppose to know him/her"

    some story lines just felt open, even in the middle of the series. morpheus and that elf girl really seemed attached when she was to go back to the fairy realm, but it was like she just arrived - that felt off. and there was more stuff that was just scratched on the way. don't know if it gets deeper in the comics and they just scramed it in.

    anyway, sad it is already ending. i liked the world and the characters. got fond of Delirium. also seeing Clara... ehm ... Johana was nice and interesting, though i feel they shoved in too many romantic relations and could have done more beyond that for the characters.

  • Neat little detail. S2 E7 when Dream releases the elf to her realm and walks past her. His shoulder passes through her shoulder and you hear a faint sand swish :)

  • I've just started to find this show a little boring. It's a rich story but so slow. Delirium cute tho.

  • Yo it was dope ASF can't wait for season 3!!!!!

    There won’t be a season 3. There’s gonna be one more bonus episode/epilogue released next week though.

    The comics are always there though if you want more. There’s some great stories and characters that the show weren’t able to adapt that are well worth the read. (I’d read the whole thing though, as they did make enough changes from comic to TV so that you’ll want to read the whole run for it to make sense).

    I just honestly wish there was more visual media with it. I know the comics are there in the comics are good, but I’ve always been more into movies than anything. I think it’s a mixture of the audio to go along with the visual that scratches the itch for me.

    I’m just hoping this last episode does so well that Netflix realizes they can monetize a spin off. Making an entire series called endless wonder. Make it a 12 episode spin off with two episodes per sibling. However, make the destruction segment be something that’s just between dream and destruction. Like another quiet visit or something.

    You might like pairing the audiobooks with the comics then. It worked well for me, iirc.

    Is there somewhere specific that I would be able to access the audiobooks? Or is it just that I would have to purchase the audiobooks and the comics?

    They’re exclusive to Audible, I believe and only cover 3/4ths of the whole comic run.

    I’ll have to take a look. I might give it a try and see how it goes. I truly truly hope that another studio may pick it up and they can make another series from that universe. I would love to get content from different perspectives of the different aspects in the show.

  • So Daniel can bring back morpheus. Does that mean old dream is in some Kind of Afterlife?  But i thought He fused with Daniel to become the new Dream 

  • Why do the fates Not directly kill Dream? And instead destroy the dreamworld? Death is saying to dream why not come Back again - but with the dreamworld being destroyed the mortal world is in danger again. So, i am not sure what she thinks Dream can do.

  • Does one of you have Sophie Rains Spider-Man video

  • Season 2 feels to me like the Game of Thrones ending - disappointing beyond decency.

    Season 1 was SO GOOD, and now, after 3 years of waiting, they released this season, which is just so average.

    I watched up to episode 3 and in 3 episodes they managed to insert a stage performance in each (1 banquet from Cain and Abel, 2nd Shakespeare, 3rd the Goddess) SO BORING! No novelty, no thrilling, just long storytelling and wasted screen time.

    The introduction of the fairy woman with such a boring prerogative is just out of place, I mean - Who is she?? 

    In pure disbelief of the garbage that my eyes were watching, I dug on the internet, and what happened is that they let go of the season 1 director "due to artistic discrepancies" - nothing to do with Gaiman. 

    It feels to me that old boomer stuck in the 1990's- 2000's have directed this.

    Also, if you need to read the books to understand the series, you failed at the craft.

    Watches 3 episodes and says the season is bad. SMH 🤦‍♂️ it’s was a fantastic season. Watch the whole thing and then have an opinion.

    I watched the whole thing, still disappointed. 

    Same, just finished. Meh.

    Yeah kind of feeling the same, first season was incredible, but just wasn't as enthralled with the second season.

    I couldn't agree with you more! Season 2 is a letdown and I feel like I'm watch a soap drama. And they made the dream God such a wuss and like everything but an Almighty powerful God. Not sure what they were thinking with this season. So damn boring!

  • What is wrong with Death? She says Dream has come back from more difficult situations before and why not come back now. Did she forget that she first took Orpheus wife and then made Orpheus Immortal? She is directly responsible for Dream killing his Son later to grand him death. She broke the rule when she made Orpheus Immortal. Why not break the rule and not take his wife in the first place. Desire tried to get Dream killed but at the end it was Death herself.  It seems for me Death is not a very responsible person. Given she made someone Immortal for a bet. Also, how was Dream supposed to come back from this? Maybe If he just leaves he can escaped the furrys. I guess that would be something this Death would suggest - being irresponsible.

    I think you’re missing quite a bit of the nuance of the characters and their relationship. Dream can totally keep stalling and not be killed by the Kindly Ones, but once he spilled family blood, he’s within their power to hurt and kill. They’re essentially at a stalemate, with only the mortals and the waking world being hurt due to the destruction of the Dreaming. Morpheus chooses not to come back and to face his responsibilities because that’s his whole issue and deal. Death can’t give Eurydice immortality because she’s already out of her power, and she can’t see the future. I think she could also only help Orpheus because he was a blood relative, not quite sure on that part though. Dream got himself killed because he didn’t care for his son and help him when he asked. He wasn’t responsible for him in that moment. At least that was my read on the whole thing.

    Death could save Eurydice - No Problem about that but she did what her duty was. She then turns Orpheus into an Immortal but ignorse that Dream already Made His choice there and she should have respected that and not get involved. If someone has to kill Orpheus IT should be her as in Take responsibility for breaking the rules

    She didn’t break any rules though. She can seemingly give people immortality, if they’re alive and able to ask her. Eurydice was already dead when Orpheus asked, so she couldn’t. It was out of her hands, and in Hades’ domain. She couldn’t stop the snake from killing her because it was her time to die and Eurydice hadn’t already asked her to be immortal (and made a compelling enough argument for it). Death seems real reluctant to do it even when Orpheus is begging her for it so he can save Eurydice. Death isn’t responsible for people dying, whatever killed them is responsible. Once they’re dead, she can’t just choose not to get their souls, iirc.

    It still seems she did something that was not in her responsibility. Not her son, it was Dreams son 

    Yes, but she did it to be nice to Orpheus, her nephew. She knows it probably won’t end well, but does it anyways. Everyone involved (except Morpheus) tried to steer him away from his mistake, but Morpheus just abandoned him basically with no comfort.

    Then why Not Just save his wife in the first place? She should have respected Morpheus. He knew it was done and you could not bring her back. 

    But still crazy. He could have given his Son a dream while He was headless