I mean they might have just brought in Brossoit just to get a more competent goalie for the Cuda and so they have a competent 3rd guy incase either Ned or Askarov miss time. Which if either one did before this then are options would be 2 guys who have a .894 save percentage in the AHL. And have little to no experience in the NHL. Brossoit on the other hand has been better in the AHL and when he's been at the NHL level has been a very good backup for the Knights and Jets.
I think all of these are true. This definitely gives us a chance to move on from Ned, or to move Brossoit if that's what brings us something back. With the fact that we need to move a contract I definitely think this is the precursor to something bigger
Not moving Ned this is an insurance policy in case him or Asky gets injured. The moving of Ellis contract and the Wennberg extension signal we are looking to add.
Ellis contract is important for the salary floor if we were looking to trade guys away this trade signals we aren’t.
I just looked and there’s not really much in the free agent market coming this summer potentially. Maybe try and resign the guys they like to longer bigger deals and go from there. Still feel like a big trade is coming around down the road near draft day
Makes sense to me. They give up next to nothing to get a upgrade for a 3rd goalie if Askarov or Ned ever miss time which also means the Cuda get a better starter. While they also get a defensemen who was a former 1st round pick who's still only 22yrs old so why not take a chance on him and see if a change of scenery can get more out of him.
That or they have had teams call about Ned and they like what they have been offering so they grabbed brossoit ahead of time so they would still have a competent backup for Askarov instead of having to call up one of the two guys with the Cuda who neither have been anything to write home about this year. Nor do either have any meaningful NHL experience.
These types of trade are never to move the needle. Usually they are to manage longer term roster construction / cap compliance type considerations.
What's odd here is we still need to shed 1 contract to have Misa fit into the lineup past 2 more games, and this move (along with the other ones through this year) does not help that.
I made that argument in the threads earlier this week. I'm on-board. He got 3 months of NHL experience plus a good tourney thats a bit higher than OHL level. I'd be ok with him going back to finish the year and then maybe come up after the TDL (or go to the AHL as Saginaw could waive his rights by then) to close out the year.
I'm also fine at this point if they keep him up. And my above could still end up with his contract being burned. But I'm less eager to keep him up than most. Our team has been working and until the TDL drops a couple depth guys (Skinner, being the relevant one) I don't think we absolutely need him.
We'll shed a ton this summer, so the long term is less concerning. And likely will come under at the TDL - Klingberg (if healthy), Skinner are the obvious guys. But even a Liljegren, Ferraro (I'd argue against this) could be other guys to move.
I'd say technically he didn't get 3 months of NHL experience, he got a fairly limited number of games in. It just seems weird to me we would waste a year of his ELC and only get a partial season out of it. Like you though, I think Im also fine if they do it, even if its not my preference. Im sure theyve thought out contract management and cap scenarios far beyond what I've considered and that might have heavy weight in their decision making to.
To clarify what I meant by 3 months - he had 3 months working in an NHL org. That means -
1) NHL Practice / Systems work with the big club and NHL talent
2) NHL practice facilities, trainers, nutrition - which is actually huge for a guy at his age
3) Some games (7) which can open eyes and build a sense of focus / urgency on his growth plan (ie - Eklund only had 9 games which helped him set a path; Graf had 7 games which lit a major fire under his ass to shift into a 2-way beast)
I think in the end we're saying the same thing. Basically the argument in the summer was that a full OHL year would have been a complete waste and lack of growth opportunity. I agreed with this.
But - at this stage I think the year has played out in a beneficial way for both Misa and the Sharks. If he does go back to the OHL I don't think he's at great risk of perpetuating bad habits. He has had a ton of exposure to show him what is needed, as well as support staff/facilities to help him build muscle and his frame. And, he'd only be in the OHL for ~2 months now, with the potential to still come back if the Sharks see a purpose for him down the stretch (ie - maybe it is worth it to burn the ELC to maintain a playoff position, but this decision can and should be deferred).
Yea which also means they have no real options if either Ned or Askarov get hurt. So they could easily just not have any intention of trading Ned but saw an upgrade for the #3 goalie spot in case they need to call on them if not still and improvement for the AHL team. While they also get a former 1st round pick of a defensemen who's still only 22yrs old. So maybe a change of scenery will help him and he reaches his potential and the Sharks get at the very least a bottom pair guy while giving up nothing of note in return.
Could be all of the above. His season with the jets last year was legit, but he also was on a president trophy winning team, so he definitely had help. The AHL numbers this year aren’t very redeeming.
It’s not that strange of a move though. We needed a 3rd goalie incase Asky or Ned got injured that could play meaningful games. We also got rid of a dead salary because we aren’t worried about the salary floor as we will be looking to add.
I think I just didn’t look at it close enough and just assumed that’s what it would be for, but probably what’s coming and could be the precursor to it.
Nice move. Brossoit was an elite backup in Winnipeg and sharks need goaltending. Ned will be dealt and Skarek/Carriere would be wildly inappropriate in the NHL. Hopefully this guys injury is healed up
Ellis does not have negative value. He helps teams who need to reach the cap floor, which is positive for teams that need it. Negative value is a bad contract with a player you have to play.
Jesus. This sub drives me crazy. Ellis is still one of the 50 contracts regardless if you play him or not.
1) You dont have to play any player under contract.
2) Dead money in a salary cap world is negative by definition. Because some teams can benefit from it makes trading it a possibility, but it doesnt change it's negative value.
3) There Sharks got off Grundstrom and got a pick for taking on Ellis. They literally got value for taking this contract.
Ok. Thanks that's fair. I was under the impression that contact slots worked differently and that we'd basically be stuck playing him if he were actually healthy. Thanks for the education. Didn't mean to be annoying
Not really. He’s retired so he doesn’t count for anything but he was integral for us in case Grier decided to sell of at the deadline. He might have negative value but his contract doesn’t.
- Gets rid of Ellis 6.25m cap hit for next season (at the very least, it confirms we're looking to spend in the offseason and maximize cap spend on players that can help us become a playoff contender). A 4th for 7th swap was about the low-end going rate last offseason for contract dumps iirc, so the deal is good value in this sense.
- Grier said he wants to target D that fit Sharks timeline, Nolan Allan potentially fits that. He's a 22yr old 6'2 LD that is a fmr 2021 1st rd pick. He's a strong skater and has the tools to become a quality shutdown defenseman if the Sharks can unlock is his development further. His rush defense skills were probably esp attractive. We only have 2 def locked in for next season rn (Dickinson; Orlov), he'll be in the mix and quality competition for starting D spots. It's not necessarily a clear signal that Ferraro will get dealt in-season, but Allan certainly has overlapping skills to step in and replace value if that happens. Either way, Defenseman with his pedigree are good bets to buy low on given how long it takes D to develop at NHL level -- and Warso staff are showing they are good teachers -- so this seems like an intriguing bet to take. Allan has significantly more NHL potential that Furlong. I'd really like the deal if it was just Furlong + 4th for Allan + 7th, so the deal is good value in this sense as well.
- Chicago was probably eager to off-load Broissoit (23yr prospect Commesso already proved he's strong AHL starter), so maybe this was just that. But Broissoit definitely is a value-add by giving Cuda a big goalie upgrade to make a potential deep playoff run (helps our prospects gain crucial experience). He's also a good reclamation project and reliable back-up option at the NHL level in case of injury (that we didn't have). Similar to Allan, I'm not sure it signals a Ned trade but having Broissoit in the wings allows them to pounce if a strong offer pops up. If Broissoit plays well, he's a candidate to get re-signed and back up Askarov next year (I get the sense Ned will want a shot to compete and not re-sign).
Since people are losing their minds I will try to break down the reasoning here:
Brossoit has been injured but just came back and did a conditioning stint in the AHL, he is a legit NHL backup which is worth (IMO) more than LTIR Ellis and 5th rounder Furlong. We also got a scratch off ticket in the form of a 22 year old d man, who hasn’t panned out yet tbf.
The second part is that they clear 3mil for next year AND 2 contract spots, both outgoing guys had a year left, these two incoming guys are expiring. That all costed a 4th round pick and we got a 7th back.
TLDR:
-Sharks get an NHL Caliber Goalie if they want to trade Ned or someone gets hurt, who is better than Carrier or Skarek.
-Sharks get a d man that is a bust and probably won’t amount to anything
-Sharks save 3mil in cap (doesn’t really matter but hey)
-Sharks gain two extra contract slots next season (this I think is the main reason)
No we aren’t going to trade Ned. WTF why does everyone just assume it means he’s getting traded? We are in a playoff race!!!! This is a depth move to protect us if Ned or Asky is going down
Oh shit y'all. This ain't a nothingburger at all. Grier might be looking to go deep or swing for a bigger trade at the deadline. Brossoit is no scrub. Yes, two big injuries back to back, but he was also coming off 2 insane seasons! I think we are going to trade Ned and another player and possible pick soon to trade for a solid young or stud(McAvoy) D-man.
If Brossoit is even 80% the goalie he was he's easily a .910 save pct backup.
Except it’s not to trade Ned. This is a depth move to sure up our goaltending incase an injury happens. We will be adding but not at the cost of trading Ned
So you want to be in a continuous rebuild? Every year sell high on players don’t keep any around?
Our cupboards are full and we have a chance to not only make the playoffs but to win the pacific this year (only 3 points behind Vegas and only 6 of our final 27 games are against a current playoff team). Why trade away someone who is actively helping your team win? We aren’t getting an impact young controllable defenseman for a back up goalie
My guy. Lol. He’s gone and we will be more than fine, if not better. Take a deep breath. Nothing wrong with being a Ned fan no matter what uniform he has on, if you really love the guy. We are back.
My guy you’re wrong. Unless we go on a big losing streak for the rest of the month this was nothing more than a depth move.
Say we trade Ned and then Asky gets injured shortly after that. Then we are relying on a goalie who cleared waivers this season who has not been the same since his injuries and hasn’t been great in his few starts in the AHL and a mediocre AHL goalie (Skarek). Doesn’t install much confidence down the stretch for a playoff run.
Feels like this is setting up a bigger trade somewhere down the line. Five goalies plus Matt Davis (who isn't on an NHL deal fwiw) in the NHL/AHL, one of them's gotta go and that clears a contract spot for Misa
Giving away Ellis’ contract is interesting. Sharks have so much cap space this offseason and are projected well below the cap floor. This trade made them even further from the cap floor.
Furlong and Allan are both AHL lvl D, they seem to be equivalent in value (Allan is a little more ready for the AHL, furlong is still pretty young and not that good.)
Brossoit is your classic G3 who is slightly too good for the AHL and slightly underqualified for the NHL. He is now our injury guy instead of Carriere / Skarek.
The picks don’t mean very much. Bummed we couldn’t make it work with furlong but investing in the Cuda is always smart.
I'll just point out that Allan was a 1st Rounder while Furlong was a 5th, so even if they are performing similar currently, Allan probably has a much higher ceiling.
Wasn't even on the radar as a prospect for a team that is in DESPERATE need of help.
To me, it looks like this was a cap dump on the Sharks part to prepare for something bigger coming, or just to position themselves to be able to, if an opportunity becomes available.
I think Ned has been a really solid performance when asky is off his game. I don’t think we are losing Ned just yet. And having a more seasoned goalie for asky is big.
In case anyone is interested, Corey Pronman of the Athletic had Allan ranked as the #12 Blackhawks prospect:
Nolan Allan, D
April 28, 2003 | 6-foot-2 | 194 pounds | Shoots left
Drafted: No. 32 in 2021
Tier: Projected to play NHL games
Skating: NHL average
Puck skills: Below NHL average
Hockey sense: NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average
Analysis: Allan got plenty of time with Chicago this season, where he was just OK. He played big minutes for Rockford when he was sent down to the AHL in the second half. Allan is a very good defender who breaks up a lot of plays. He’s big, skates well and is quite physical. He has all the traits to make NHL stops, kill penalties and be a hard-to-play-against type. His puck play is the major question. I’ve seen worse hockey sense and skill on his player type, and I think Allan can make a sufficient enough first pass to be a third-pair defender.
Or honestly to NJ for Nemec. They have a good number of RHD prospects and need the help in Goal. I think we'd have to include more (maybe ours or Oilers 1st) but could maybe be doable...
No. Nemec is OFD, Grier prefers TWD (we saw him take a TWD Dickinson over a OFD Buium.
I could be wrong, but given Griers recent moves, he seems to favor TWD over OFD. But who knows, maybe he wants to inject an OFD into this line up (but it’ll be COSTLY)
I guess it's unclear to me if they really didn't want him or just wanted Wang more. And Ravensbergen definitely felt like a value pick to me where they had him much higher on the board and took BPA. Fiddler just feels like a Grier guy as a big big dude who can skate decently.
He got brought up right before the strike? Weirdly no mention of it on their social medias but he’s been a healthy scratch for every game since. Lil odd but I hope he gets a game too
Looks like Nolan Allan has played on his offside and people on the Hawks subreddit have penciled him in as a future 3rd pair RD assuming all of their blueliners pan out. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him debut on the Sharks fairly quickly as a RD since we’re in desperate need there
Edit: Also described as physical and versatile by Hawks fans 👀
Grier managed to shed SO MANY bad contracts, some with ehh deals and some with really good deals. He traded the untraceable karlsson deal (with help of karlsson).
And yet people are not happy with a deal that is more of a admin trade deal.
Of course not every trade is a block buster, but the trade is unloading 2 contracts and a 4th for 2 expiring contracts and a 7th that clears cap but doesn't solve the 50 contract problem. Unless this is a precursor for a Ned trade, then I don't know what else this sets up. At least they're only on the books for this year.
Ned could fetch much more than a third, especially in a package and especially with the way he's played. His stock is high. Don't get me wrong, I think Ned is great and I love having him as a Shark, but he's also 30. His value probably isn't going to get any higher than it is now.
Have you not watched the backup goalie churn? Ned isn't in any long term plans, he's on an expiring contract. Last year they went through Blackwood, Vanacek, Georgiev. It's a market value they have been able to navigate, Brossoit is a fine backup for the rest of the year.
Few things might be true here.
We didn’t shed any contracts but it brings in 2 players that can actively play versus Ellis who will never skate again. Even if it’s just for the AHL
Brossoit coming in might mean someone wants Ned BADLY and will overpay for him.
I think another trade is coming very soon
We can’t trade Ned! His all black kit is too sweet to let go! /s about everything besides the sweet kit
That jabber jaw mask is easily one of my favorites
His stick is also a thing of beauty with that setup. The shiny teal True logo looked badass against those pads
Yeah it is very cool.
Yeah, that all black pad set is fucking smeeexy
I mean they might have just brought in Brossoit just to get a more competent goalie for the Cuda and so they have a competent 3rd guy incase either Ned or Askarov miss time. Which if either one did before this then are options would be 2 guys who have a .894 save percentage in the AHL. And have little to no experience in the NHL. Brossoit on the other hand has been better in the AHL and when he's been at the NHL level has been a very good backup for the Knights and Jets.
I think all of these are true. This definitely gives us a chance to move on from Ned, or to move Brossoit if that's what brings us something back. With the fact that we need to move a contract I definitely think this is the precursor to something bigger
Or could it mean they want to reinforce the cuda goalies?
I also had this thought.. the Cuda goalies have been pretty terrible
Could be a double whammy. Bring in broissoit to help cuda and if he performs well you can always sign him as a backup.
Came to say the same - has to be something in the works here. Imagining that Ned is getting moved along with other pieces for something...
Strong agree on point 3. This really does feel like setting something else up (including keeping Misa in the NHL after 9 games).
Not moving Ned this is an insurance policy in case him or Asky gets injured. The moving of Ellis contract and the Wennberg extension signal we are looking to add.
Ellis contract is important for the salary floor if we were looking to trade guys away this trade signals we aren’t.
as a Jets and Sharks fan whose fave player was Brossoit …. this is big news but only for me
GMMG cares about even the most niche fans
As a Cuda / Ice Hogs fan, thank you GMMG
Probably just the two of us actually…
Used to watch him when he was with the Bakersfield Condors in the AHL. So I feel your sentiment
Cap dumping Ellis' contract? Just instead of "future considerations" or "cash"?
Guess GMMG is planning to spend next season to hit the floor...
I just looked and there’s not really much in the free agent market coming this summer potentially. Maybe try and resign the guys they like to longer bigger deals and go from there. Still feel like a big trade is coming around down the road near draft day
this is the only explanation i can come up with. otherwise this trade does not move the needle anywhere
It doesn’t need to move the needle lol
i don’t disagree. i just meant the trade seems completely pointless other than the cap next year
Makes sense to me. They give up next to nothing to get a upgrade for a 3rd goalie if Askarov or Ned ever miss time which also means the Cuda get a better starter. While they also get a defensemen who was a former 1st round pick who's still only 22yrs old so why not take a chance on him and see if a change of scenery can get more out of him.
That or they have had teams call about Ned and they like what they have been offering so they grabbed brossoit ahead of time so they would still have a competent backup for Askarov instead of having to call up one of the two guys with the Cuda who neither have been anything to write home about this year. Nor do either have any meaningful NHL experience.
These types of trade are never to move the needle. Usually they are to manage longer term roster construction / cap compliance type considerations.
What's odd here is we still need to shed 1 contract to have Misa fit into the lineup past 2 more games, and this move (along with the other ones through this year) does not help that.
We're halfway through the season. At what point do we decide to just not burn the contract?
I made that argument in the threads earlier this week. I'm on-board. He got 3 months of NHL experience plus a good tourney thats a bit higher than OHL level. I'd be ok with him going back to finish the year and then maybe come up after the TDL (or go to the AHL as Saginaw could waive his rights by then) to close out the year.
I'm also fine at this point if they keep him up. And my above could still end up with his contract being burned. But I'm less eager to keep him up than most. Our team has been working and until the TDL drops a couple depth guys (Skinner, being the relevant one) I don't think we absolutely need him.
Regardless of what they ultimately decide, I wish they’d just shed one contract to give flexibility, iirc not many other teams are at 50/50 too
We'll shed a ton this summer, so the long term is less concerning. And likely will come under at the TDL - Klingberg (if healthy), Skinner are the obvious guys. But even a Liljegren, Ferraro (I'd argue against this) could be other guys to move.
I'd say technically he didn't get 3 months of NHL experience, he got a fairly limited number of games in. It just seems weird to me we would waste a year of his ELC and only get a partial season out of it. Like you though, I think Im also fine if they do it, even if its not my preference. Im sure theyve thought out contract management and cap scenarios far beyond what I've considered and that might have heavy weight in their decision making to.
To clarify what I meant by 3 months - he had 3 months working in an NHL org. That means -
1) NHL Practice / Systems work with the big club and NHL talent
2) NHL practice facilities, trainers, nutrition - which is actually huge for a guy at his age
3) Some games (7) which can open eyes and build a sense of focus / urgency on his growth plan (ie - Eklund only had 9 games which helped him set a path; Graf had 7 games which lit a major fire under his ass to shift into a 2-way beast)
I think in the end we're saying the same thing. Basically the argument in the summer was that a full OHL year would have been a complete waste and lack of growth opportunity. I agreed with this.
But - at this stage I think the year has played out in a beneficial way for both Misa and the Sharks. If he does go back to the OHL I don't think he's at great risk of perpetuating bad habits. He has had a ton of exposure to show him what is needed, as well as support staff/facilities to help him build muscle and his frame. And, he'd only be in the OHL for ~2 months now, with the potential to still come back if the Sharks see a purpose for him down the stretch (ie - maybe it is worth it to burn the ELC to maintain a playoff position, but this decision can and should be deferred).
another goalie? 100% ned going to new jersey for Nemec right guys?
We can dream!
The cuda goalies have been struggling a bit haven’t they?
This was my thought too. It seems like they've really felt Asky's absence this season.
Yea which also means they have no real options if either Ned or Askarov get hurt. So they could easily just not have any intention of trading Ned but saw an upgrade for the #3 goalie spot in case they need to call on them if not still and improvement for the AHL team. While they also get a former 1st round pick of a defensemen who's still only 22yrs old. So maybe a change of scenery will help him and he reaches his potential and the Sharks get at the very least a bottom pair guy while giving up nothing of note in return.
100% plus their contracts are a year less than the two given up. Another great call by gmmg
You’ll have to add Musty to even think about it
No he’s not getting traded. This is a depth trade incase Ned or Asky goes down. We are going for the playoffs.
Brossoit was looking so good before he got injured… flipping him maybe? Or new backup to trade Ned? Or just want a better goalie for the Cuda?
Could be all of the above. His season with the jets last year was legit, but he also was on a president trophy winning team, so he definitely had help. The AHL numbers this year aren’t very redeeming.
Seems like a strange move but it could be the lead up to something else. Trust in GMMG
That's the overarching theme here.
No sense in much speculation, he does his shit and it's almost aways been impressive
It’s not that strange of a move though. We needed a 3rd goalie incase Asky or Ned got injured that could play meaningful games. We also got rid of a dead salary because we aren’t worried about the salary floor as we will be looking to add.
Grier made a trade that wasn’t Leddy and Klingberg for McDavid what an idiot fire this clown also 50 contracts something
The spirit of this sub summed up neatly
Dont forget, lose in perpetuity and hoard all the draft picks then suddenly become a cup champion!
what in the nothingburger
Dump a contract in order to keep Misa up
Does it? Looks like 2 contracts out and 2 back in?
Correct, this didn't free up contract space.... Hopefully this is just step one and something bigger is coming
That was my immediate thought
I think I just didn’t look at it close enough and just assumed that’s what it would be for, but probably what’s coming and could be the precursor to it.
Nice move. Brossoit was an elite backup in Winnipeg and sharks need goaltending. Ned will be dealt and Skarek/Carriere would be wildly inappropriate in the NHL. Hopefully this guys injury is healed up
Wasn’t Broissoit on waivers a month ago?
So was elite goaltender Tristan Jerry who was traded for a second round pick and current 14 year old.
I've never thought of it this way, for future picks in perspective to their current age.
Equal parts crazy and hilarious.
Ellis has negative value. This is a better deal than waivers.
Ellis does not have negative value. He helps teams who need to reach the cap floor, which is positive for teams that need it. Negative value is a bad contract with a player you have to play.
Jesus. This sub drives me crazy. Ellis is still one of the 50 contracts regardless if you play him or not.
1) You dont have to play any player under contract.
2) Dead money in a salary cap world is negative by definition. Because some teams can benefit from it makes trading it a possibility, but it doesnt change it's negative value.
3) There Sharks got off Grundstrom and got a pick for taking on Ellis. They literally got value for taking this contract.
Ok. Thanks that's fair. I was under the impression that contact slots worked differently and that we'd basically be stuck playing him if he were actually healthy. Thanks for the education. Didn't mean to be annoying
Ellis had no value. He was literally just a cap number that can be shelved because of retirement. Grier only took him to help stay above the floor.
My friend, that's the definition of negative value.
Not really. He’s retired so he doesn’t count for anything but he was integral for us in case Grier decided to sell of at the deadline. He might have negative value but his contract doesn’t.
Interesting trade:
- Gets rid of Ellis 6.25m cap hit for next season (at the very least, it confirms we're looking to spend in the offseason and maximize cap spend on players that can help us become a playoff contender). A 4th for 7th swap was about the low-end going rate last offseason for contract dumps iirc, so the deal is good value in this sense.
- Grier said he wants to target D that fit Sharks timeline, Nolan Allan potentially fits that. He's a 22yr old 6'2 LD that is a fmr 2021 1st rd pick. He's a strong skater and has the tools to become a quality shutdown defenseman if the Sharks can unlock is his development further. His rush defense skills were probably esp attractive. We only have 2 def locked in for next season rn (Dickinson; Orlov), he'll be in the mix and quality competition for starting D spots. It's not necessarily a clear signal that Ferraro will get dealt in-season, but Allan certainly has overlapping skills to step in and replace value if that happens. Either way, Defenseman with his pedigree are good bets to buy low on given how long it takes D to develop at NHL level -- and Warso staff are showing they are good teachers -- so this seems like an intriguing bet to take. Allan has significantly more NHL potential that Furlong. I'd really like the deal if it was just Furlong + 4th for Allan + 7th, so the deal is good value in this sense as well.
- Chicago was probably eager to off-load Broissoit (23yr prospect Commesso already proved he's strong AHL starter), so maybe this was just that. But Broissoit definitely is a value-add by giving Cuda a big goalie upgrade to make a potential deep playoff run (helps our prospects gain crucial experience). He's also a good reclamation project and reliable back-up option at the NHL level in case of injury (that we didn't have). Similar to Allan, I'm not sure it signals a Ned trade but having Broissoit in the wings allows them to pounce if a strong offer pops up. If Broissoit plays well, he's a candidate to get re-signed and back up Askarov next year (I get the sense Ned will want a shot to compete and not re-sign).
Why? Same amount of contracts
Both incoming are expiring, both outgoing have another year
good catch
Since people are losing their minds I will try to break down the reasoning here:
Brossoit has been injured but just came back and did a conditioning stint in the AHL, he is a legit NHL backup which is worth (IMO) more than LTIR Ellis and 5th rounder Furlong. We also got a scratch off ticket in the form of a 22 year old d man, who hasn’t panned out yet tbf.
The second part is that they clear 3mil for next year AND 2 contract spots, both outgoing guys had a year left, these two incoming guys are expiring. That all costed a 4th round pick and we got a 7th back.
TLDR: -Sharks get an NHL Caliber Goalie if they want to trade Ned or someone gets hurt, who is better than Carrier or Skarek.
-Sharks get a d man that is a bust and probably won’t amount to anything
-Sharks save 3mil in cap (doesn’t really matter but hey)
-Sharks gain two extra contract slots next season (this I think is the main reason)
-Sharks get a 7th rounder
-Blackhawks get a 4th rounder
-Blackhawks take on Ellis contract
-Blackhawks take a flyer on Furlong
Seems like good asset management to me and we get future flexibility. We're not gonna miss that 4th rounder
4th rounder was a glue guy. Really showed up hard to the rink everyday ready to go.
Ya the underrated thing is those two spots it clears up next year.
Thanks for breaking it down !
Feels like this trade is just the setup for something else in the works.
Unless I don't know what I'm talking about this doesn't help Misa's contract situation.
It does not, correct. We took back 2 for some reason
Maybe because its not suppose to. Immediately.
Former 1st round D- could be worse. Confused why brossoit though
My guess is an upgrade for the Cuda, or maybe Ned is on the move? Either way this trade feels like a precursor to more
Our AHL goaltending has not been good, it also allows us to trade Ned if GMMG decides to.
Brossoit is the only potentially useful piece here
Ned is going to be traded before the deadline most likely.
No we aren’t going to trade Ned. WTF why does everyone just assume it means he’s getting traded? We are in a playoff race!!!! This is a depth move to protect us if Ned or Asky is going down
He gone.
Well, that is a trade that happened.
https://preview.redd.it/qrthnjoe27cg1.jpeg?width=766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8415d49687e2f29e296f6e36b2d2accb82449dde
GMMG cooking up something else methinks. Trust the process.
And taking a shot on Allan isn't a bad idea either.
Point wise Allan would be 4th amongst our defensemen (behind Orlov, Klingberg and Fro-arro)
Pretty sad. I haven't researched Allan that much but he seems like a shut down Dman, something the blue line definitely needs.
Well to be fair if Muk wasn’t scratched as much he’d have more than 8 pts. Dickinson would have more too if Warso allowed him to be more offensive.
Allan is an AHL depth piece thats an upgrade over Furlong.
Oh shit y'all. This ain't a nothingburger at all. Grier might be looking to go deep or swing for a bigger trade at the deadline. Brossoit is no scrub. Yes, two big injuries back to back, but he was also coming off 2 insane seasons! I think we are going to trade Ned and another player and possible pick soon to trade for a solid young or stud(McAvoy) D-man.
If Brossoit is even 80% the goalie he was he's easily a .910 save pct backup.
I think you nailed it. This is a 4D chess move. The corresponding move(s) is yet to come.
Except it’s not to trade Ned. This is a depth move to sure up our goaltending incase an injury happens. We will be adding but not at the cost of trading Ned
Ned thanks you for his time in San Jose. That 30 year old man is a sell high and sell high we shall my friend. Sell high we shall.
So you want to be in a continuous rebuild? Every year sell high on players don’t keep any around?
Our cupboards are full and we have a chance to not only make the playoffs but to win the pacific this year (only 3 points behind Vegas and only 6 of our final 27 games are against a current playoff team). Why trade away someone who is actively helping your team win? We aren’t getting an impact young controllable defenseman for a back up goalie
My guy. Lol. He’s gone and we will be more than fine, if not better. Take a deep breath. Nothing wrong with being a Ned fan no matter what uniform he has on, if you really love the guy. We are back.
My guy you’re wrong. Unless we go on a big losing streak for the rest of the month this was nothing more than a depth move.
Say we trade Ned and then Asky gets injured shortly after that. Then we are relying on a goalie who cleared waivers this season who has not been the same since his injuries and hasn’t been great in his few starts in the AHL and a mediocre AHL goalie (Skarek). Doesn’t install much confidence down the stretch for a playoff run.
Sure.
I easily think it's Ned + Bystedt + Avs 2nd for a dman
Nemec because markstrom just let in 9 goals lol
Jake Furlong got a game misconduct for spearing last night so his first game for the Rockford IceHogs must be a bit lol
Feel like the subtle good piece of this Allan being a potential defenseman that fits in the Sharks competitive window.
Only 22; having a decent campaign in the AHL; give him a change of scenery, maybe it helps his development 🤷🏻♂️
I agree I think he has a good shot at being 3rd pair for us in the future
Feels like this is setting up a bigger trade somewhere down the line. Five goalies plus Matt Davis (who isn't on an NHL deal fwiw) in the NHL/AHL, one of them's gotta go and that clears a contract spot for Misa
What is GMMG up to? 🤔
Furlongs last play as a barracuda was literally spearing somebody
Potentially means Ned might get dealt by the end of the season?
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Giving away Ellis’ contract is interesting. Sharks have so much cap space this offseason and are projected well below the cap floor. This trade made them even further from the cap floor.
Gotta fit Matthews in somehow
The fact that Hawks fans are very unhappy about this tells me we did alright. They mostly don’t understand getting rid of Allan.
Also seems like Allan is a solid defensive minded player so that's nice if he develops more
Thank you for your service Ned, GL wherever you end up.
I like it.
Furlong and Allan are both AHL lvl D, they seem to be equivalent in value (Allan is a little more ready for the AHL, furlong is still pretty young and not that good.)
Brossoit is your classic G3 who is slightly too good for the AHL and slightly underqualified for the NHL. He is now our injury guy instead of Carriere / Skarek.
The picks don’t mean very much. Bummed we couldn’t make it work with furlong but investing in the Cuda is always smart.
Importantly (comparatively at least) the incoming are both expiring, the outgoing both wouldve been on next year's books
I'll just point out that Allan was a 1st Rounder while Furlong was a 5th, so even if they are performing similar currently, Allan probably has a much higher ceiling.
As a Blackhawks fan what’d yall think about Furlong (if anything)?
Wasn't even on the radar as a prospect for a team that is in DESPERATE need of help.
To me, it looks like this was a cap dump on the Sharks part to prepare for something bigger coming, or just to position themselves to be able to, if an opportunity becomes available.
Also, this helps the Hawks get to the floor next year without taking up a roster slot. Frondell can make the jump if he wants too more easily.
Hawks also have a good number of over 30 players with around the difference in cap hit. One or more could definitely be moving for futures
this tells me we’re making another trade soon, probably ned :(
I think Ned has been a really solid performance when asky is off his game. I don’t think we are losing Ned just yet. And having a more seasoned goalie for asky is big.
i agree, i really like ned and i hope he stays, maybe brossoit gets dealt again
A 4th round pick to improve the Cuda in a couple of spots. Sure, why not
I'm now waiting with bated breath for the other shoe to drop...
Just saw this in Bossoit’s NHL.com bio:
“Brossoit made his NHL debut April 9, 2015, making 49 saves (two goals allowed) in a 3-1 loss against the San Jose Sharks.”
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em? :) And holy crap, 51 shots by the Sharks?!
GWG that night: Bryan Lerg
2015 was a different era! /oldmanvoice
Depth trade given all our injuries lately. Good move.
Ok hear me out….. they trade Ned to Edmonton for the “inside job” tank and a higher draft pick
Furlong felt like a “change of scenery” piece in a trade. This trade, atm, feels like a playoff push for the Cuda trade.
Nolan Allan is a 2021 first round pick LHD who can potentially grow into a solid defensive player in the 2nd or third 3rd pairing.
For the Barracuda maybe. But that's about it.
Is Allen any good? I kinda liked furlong so that kinda sucks if he isn’t
Both are longshots to be relevant. Wouldn't be surprised if Allan walked end of season
Does Ellis's spot get rid of a contract spot on the roster?
No. We moved two contracts and took back two contracts, we’re still at 50/50.
So we're moving down three rounds (4th to 7th) in order to:
I smell a trade for Ferraro and Ned.
In case anyone is interested, Corey Pronman of the Athletic had Allan ranked as the #12 Blackhawks prospect:
Nolan Allan, D
April 28, 2003 | 6-foot-2 | 194 pounds | Shoots left
Drafted: No. 32 in 2021 Tier: Projected to play NHL games
Skating: NHL average Puck skills: Below NHL average Hockey sense: NHL average Compete: Above NHL average Shot: Above NHL average
Analysis: Allan got plenty of time with Chicago this season, where he was just OK. He played big minutes for Rockford when he was sent down to the AHL in the second half. Allan is a very good defender who breaks up a lot of plays. He’s big, skates well and is quite physical. He has all the traits to make NHL stops, kill penalties and be a hard-to-play-against type. His puck play is the major question. I’ve seen worse hockey sense and skill on his player type, and I think Allan can make a sufficient enough first pass to be a third-pair defender.
My question is, why did CHI do this?
Gotta reach the cap floor with so many current + incoming ELC players and they've got a logjam at D.
It’s all over. Time to trade Celebrini and rebuild. Thanks Grier /s
We had Ryan Ellis? TIL
He's basically retired and on LTIR - we had him to hit cap floor. It's a loophole they're getting rid of with the new CBA I believe.
We got him to hit the cap floor and free up a contract spot. Then we claimed Iorio and lost the spot lol.
Ned, Bystedt, Avs 2nd for a RHD?
This would open room for Misa and help solve the log jam in front of Bystedt after Wennberg signing
To Van for Wallinder :P
Or honestly to NJ for Nemec. They have a good number of RHD prospects and need the help in Goal. I think we'd have to include more (maybe ours or Oilers 1st) but could maybe be doable...
This seems like the most likely trade. NJ really does need help in goal and do have a history of trades with GMMG.
NJ doesn’t have the cap space to make that trade, they’d have to dump a big contract. Also not sure Nemec is the type of defenseman Grier wants.
I'm curious what makes you think that, too small?
No. Nemec is OFD, Grier prefers TWD (we saw him take a TWD Dickinson over a OFD Buium.
I could be wrong, but given Griers recent moves, he seems to favor TWD over OFD. But who knows, maybe he wants to inject an OFD into this line up (but it’ll be COSTLY)
Send em to Seattle for Fiddler ;)
Grier doesn’t want Fiddler. He literally passed on him twice.
I guess it's unclear to me if they really didn't want him or just wanted Wang more. And Ravensbergen definitely felt like a value pick to me where they had him much higher on the board and took BPA. Fiddler just feels like a Grier guy as a big big dude who can skate decently.
Grier takes BPA over need. Fiddler wasn’t even close based on need to take over BPA, twice. Maybe he takes Fiddler at 53 if he fell that far.
Whoa....ill give you Seigs, Both Hughes, and Timo back for that
I wonder what this means for the Cuda goalie situation, is someone getting traded? Doesn’t make sense to have three Cuda goalies plus Davis in Wichita
Davis is on the Cuda scratch list every night atm too
Ah I thought he went back to witchita, glad he’s staying in SJ. Hopefully he gets to play soon
He got brought up right before the strike? Weirdly no mention of it on their social medias but he’s been a healthy scratch for every game since. Lil odd but I hope he gets a game too
is ryan ellis still nhl relevant?
Ltir
so another carey price?
Yeah, we had a few of those to help hit the cap floor and also snag some assets while we were at it.
Only as a means to cap floor
Damn...was really hoping Furlong would be a guy for us someday, wanted to have someone on the team with a Nova Scotia connection
possible Ned move incoming?
Looks like Nolan Allan has played on his offside and people on the Hawks subreddit have penciled him in as a future 3rd pair RD assuming all of their blueliners pan out. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him debut on the Sharks fairly quickly as a RD since we’re in desperate need there
Edit: Also described as physical and versatile by Hawks fans 👀
Grier really likes that 2021 draft player pool! (Ostapchuk, Iorio, and now Allan)
Damn that’s a quick turnaround to give up on a former 1st round pick in Allan lol
Uhhhh. Solves nothing. Mike what gives
Bruh. Not every trade is a big trade. You have to move pieces into place. Not always going to be exciting.
This really be some of our sub.
Grier managed to shed SO MANY bad contracts, some with ehh deals and some with really good deals. He traded the untraceable karlsson deal (with help of karlsson).
And yet people are not happy with a deal that is more of a admin trade deal.
Slow individuals that feel the need to blurt out their lack of critical thinking as confident bluster. Very common in bay area sports.
Looks like an intriguing set up deal to me. Curious where the chips fall
I just pray they are youngins who only know hockey moves from Chel.
Of course not every trade is a block buster, but the trade is unloading 2 contracts and a 4th for 2 expiring contracts and a 7th that clears cap but doesn't solve the 50 contract problem. Unless this is a precursor for a Ned trade, then I don't know what else this sets up. At least they're only on the books for this year.
This solves a few things
Why
Hope this makes the defense better cause we are ass on defense.
This feels like Muk is on the move.
I'd say this points more towards Ned being on the move than Mukh.
Moving Ned with how integral he’s been to the team’s success this season would be a real bad look. For what, a third?
Ned could fetch much more than a third, especially in a package and especially with the way he's played. His stock is high. Don't get me wrong, I think Ned is great and I love having him as a Shark, but he's also 30. His value probably isn't going to get any higher than it is now.
Neds value is a 3rd. Blackwood was traded last year to be a starter and had much better numbers and got a late 2nd.
Have you not watched the backup goalie churn? Ned isn't in any long term plans, he's on an expiring contract. Last year they went through Blackwood, Vanacek, Georgiev. It's a market value they have been able to navigate, Brossoit is a fine backup for the rest of the year.
Broissoit nor Askarov are durable. I doubt any goalie is traded