I don’t know like anything about this besides Andrew inviting Epstein and Weinstein to the girls 18th bday parties and Andrew and Fergie are both terrible people esp Andrew so they prob sucked. Poor Beatrice and Eugenie knowing their dad is a pedo rapist.
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Eugenie and Beatrice did a podcast with Cressida Bonas about their mother, and it gives so many insights about their relationship. They are very close with Fergie, but also some of the things they said struck me as them knowing she’s a screw up but being unable to detach that from the woman who raised them.
All of this is my subjective opinion, but you can hear it for yourself here: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/princesses-eugenie-and-beatrice-wed-have-to-do-10/id1803569581?i=1000706014609
Do they say anything about Andrew?
Currently listening to the Entitled book all about the Yorks. They come across as scattered, entitled and rather unreliable parents who would happily skip school events and milestones to attend lavish parties with disreputable despots (and even worse, sometimes take the girls along).
So overall, really Not Great.
Here you go:
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/lifestyle/family-relationships/the-real-truth-about-sarah-ferguson-s-parenting-revealed-after-she-called-herself-the-best-mum-i-know/ss-AA1RCEEi?cvid=69337ba2e2354770b174db785395e37f&ocid=hpmsn
Honestly, considering the level of chaos surrounding Sarah in particular, things couldn’t have been that great. She’s always described her children as her “best friends” which is to me a giant red flag. Both girls probably felt very responsible for their mother from a young age. What stability they had in their lives was due to The Queen and Prince Phillip.
While questionable parents I always felt they were nice as grandparents.
The girls are probably very confused, not sure what to believe, not sure what to say because for all we knew for years were they were chancers and grifters but were seen as good parents, and to be honest I’m not really sure that has changed in one sense, I had a family member who was a horrible person who attacked children and dead people (so I don’t think would actually be considered a paedophile but more of an opportunistic sex offender) and for one son he just became completely obsessed with the whole situation and would try to link his father to any case, the other son thought everyone was a liar, i think where it could be hard for the princesses is that our understanding of sexual based crimes is still evolving and the idea that Andrew would be considered a paedophile would probably be a step too far for them considering what the definition is for a paedophile so it is could be easier for them to think of him as someone who may have just made a terrible mistake thinking his victim was older and had the ability to consent or worse they may think he was a victim of Epstein and set up so Epstein would then have leverage.
Well the reality is that Virginia Giuffre was over the age of consent in the UK when she met Andrew. There are definitely issues with power imbalances and her history with Epstein and the position he had her in and its impact on her ability to consent and the morality of middle aged men sleeping with girls in their teens, but the facts are that when Andrew was alleged to have had sex with her it was legal for him to do so in the UK.
The reality is he knew they were being trafficked for sex.
There is no age of consent for victims of sex trafficking. None. That’s the “reality”.
Yes I understand that and that’s why I was saying our understanding of sexual based crimes is still evolving because really can we say someone is freely consenting if they feel like they have to be in situation due to a third party and that is before we consider if in this case if Andrew had any knowledge of if the victim was being forced.
And I would say that middle age people of any gender having sex with a teen of any gender isn’t morally acceptable
I agree. I’m not sure why I’m being down voted for stating facts.
If UK society deems it unacceptable for middle aged people to sleep with young people in their late teens then the law should be changed to reflect that.
It’s people of any age sleeping with trafficked minors and adults.
I think that society has changed a little bit with each generation which is good and hopefully we will get to a point where people do call for changes not just based on age but also power and influence, I live in Australia and there was a case this year of men who were abused by a female teacher years ago but she couldn’t be charged because at that time there were no laws against women abusing children only men abusing children and the impact of her crime had lasting effects on her victims which I don’t think we fully understood especially for males who are victims of women or females who are victims of women compared to males who are victims of men or females who are victims of men.
The York girls have always been supportive of and spoken well of their mother, despite her many many scandals, which implies she was a loving mother who built a meaningful relationship with her daughters.
Loving their mother has no relationship to actually being a loving mother who built meaningful relationships with her daughters.
Is it possible that you’re being votes down due to being an apologist for atrocious behavior?
There are children in foster care who are removed from their bio parents due to horrific behavior who still love those parents.
I’m not sure how stating facts is being an apologist.
What “fact” are you stating?
I hate to be a "hater", but having seen many awful cases, children speaking well of their parents can sometimes just mean that they were taught to speak well of their parents. I find many elements of the Yorks' friendships with people like Epstein, and the proximity of those people to their daughters DEEPLY worrying.
Exactly
I think they were probably too self-involved to be the best parents but I don’t seem them as abusive or detached from their daughters. I seem them as probably the typical aristocratic parents who are in the child’s life but let nannies handle a lot of the day to day care.
I will say that even though their divorce was messy and tabloid fodder I respect that they didn’t seem to drag their kids into it, like Charles and Diana did, by using the kids to enhance their images. For example, Diana would take photos that played up what a great mother she was and making Charles look like an uninvolved father because he wasn’t as emotionally open and physically affectionate with his sons in public. You never saw Andrew or Fergie doing that, at least to my knowledge.
I def think that Diana was a very flawed person and not the saint some people seem to think she was but I think her manipulation of the media in regards to the kids was because her mother was denied custody of her and her siblings when she was a child and she feared the kids would be taken away from her so she wanted public opinion on her side to try and prevent that as much as possible. Not necessarily defending her because I think it wasn’t fair to William and Harry to be dragged into that situation but she didn’t do it for no reason.
They were always considered a loving family
It was said that they never showed up for school events.
That’s weird to think about considering what we know now
Completely ties in with their arrogant and entitled mindset. Other people’s young girls are there for us to molest and exploit, but our precious children are special and sheltered
Wait that acc makes alot of sense now that I think about it. God so many of these people suck total ass.